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12:17 AM
@dippas I'm not sure what's unclear about this. They're asking how to check if Google Play Protect is enabled.
 
I've voted to reopen the question, it's perfectly clear as-is
the answer is to use this API, which I was in the middle of writing an answer to the effect of: developer.android.com/training/safetynet/…
(does that count as personal involvement in a question that would preclude a reopen-pls?)
 
dbc
12:41 AM
@Braiam This question was last Active 6 months ago. Why does this need closing now? Generally cv-pls requests are for questions with recent activity, see the FAQ here.
 
The previous request is even longer at 6+ yrs
 
@Braiam Is there some activity on/about this question which isn't obvious from the question page (mentioned somewhere, a rejected edit, proposed dup, etc.)? The last activity shown for this question was 6 years, 4 months ago. That's too old for a cv-pls. While there isn't an explicitly stated limit, cv-pls requests should, generally, be for questions for which the community benefits from them being closed quickly. Please see #11 in the FAQ.
@Braiam This one is two years.
Those and other cv-pls requests you've made, which have already been handled (i.e. are already in the Graveyard), appeared to have no recent activity. If you want to explain why the two I moved to /dev/null qualify for a cv-pls, I'm willing to move them back here.
Looks like I missed another one. This one was last active 3 years, 5 months ago.
 
1:05 AM
@Makyen @dbc first of all, do you both have to question me at the same time? I don't think that would be useful if it was another user. They may feel intimidated.
Second, I'm doing some research for ldap/kerberos, I'm finding those questions organically.
If I vote to close now, considering the low activity on the close queue + that they aren't programming questions, my vote would be wasted.
Now responding each one of the messages:
@dbc cv-pls is for questions that: [...] don't have enough users in that tag to close the question in time
@Makyen ^^
 
<waffles>
just realized I could have used the user script. Live and learn
 
Oh, ok
 
dbc
1:58 AM
@Braiam do you both have to question me at the same time? Maybe just coincidence? While I was here I clicked through on nearby cv-pls questions and noticed one hadn't been active recently. don't have enough users in that tag to close the question in time - seems reasonable for lower-vote questions or questions with obsolete answers.
 
@Braiam It would be helpful if you include that feel the tags are low traffic in the request, so that people are aware of it and can take it into account when seeing the request and question. While I'd agree that is low traffic, it's unclear to me that the others, (1.1k watchers) and (6k watchers), are reasonably described as low traffic. Ultimately, it's a judgement call.
But, it's a call that you can help people make in favor of permitting the request by getting the information which you feel qualifies the question for a request out in front of people possibly asking, rather than have people first see the excessively long time since the question was active.
Admittedly, we might have handled it a bit better, but it's not unreasonable for us to question, even for a single occurrence. Given that there are several requests which don't fit the standard activity time requirement, it's not unreasonable for us to be a bit more aggressive than just asking why.
 
I think that's a new record (10) for trips through the CV queue I've seen...
 
@Braiam As to both of us asking at the same time: Yes, my attention was drawn to the situation by the other people in the room mentioning the issue. If there had been only one request which was a bit old, then I would have left it waiting for your response to what the other people had said. However, when I took a look at your recent requests, there were a number of them which were well beyond the time-frame which we usually permit for last activity.
Once I'd seen that was the case, it looked like a situation where I needed to be directly involved.
 
@RyanM Yeah, that one's too old for a request here, with no recent activity. That's why I just quietly re-vote it occasionally.
 
@MikeM. I wondered if you might be the other close voter...there are a couple people in the Android tag who close-vote old questions, so I wasn't sure ^^;
 
2:10 AM
@RyanM Strange. It was only in the CV review queue for 3 to 4 days each time. I would have expected it to be in the queue for 14 days, given that it has < 100 views. Ironically, in not one of the times in the queue did it ever get a review.
 
@Makyen especially bizarre since it's pretty obvious from the comments.
wasn't sure if I was misreading the history on those past reviews, but if you drew the same conclusion...it is in fact weird
 
@Makyen While I agree that some priority should be given to the firehose, some of those questions did pass for the cv-queue at the time and were invalidated without a single review.
Also, remember that because someone added them to their watching tags, it doesn't mean that they are currently interested in them or have the privileges to flag/vote
 
@RyanM If it's never presented to anyone, then they have no chance to vote on it. It's also a non-short question with code, so people just blowing through the queue are likely to just skip it in order to pick off questions where the decision is easier/quicker.
I know that when I've been short on time, I've used MagicTag2 to just run through the short questions without code, which are usually very quick/easy.
 
@Braiam I will reiterate my previous point: if I find an off topic question, and I feel that even if I vote it would not get closed, I would obviously seek of others to help me push it.
 
heh. Yeah, I'll confess that I've occasionally seen a long question with enough of an explanation that I'm not able to determine the correct result without a lot of analysis, I'll occasionally call in tired and hit skip
 
2:23 AM
@Braiam Yes, we all feel that way. However, there's a limited supply of close-votes available to the people in this room. That fact is why we have restrictions on what qualifies a question for a cv-pls request, and why we have a general limitation on the maximum number of requests a person should be making. The point isn't that we don't want to be closing every question which should be closed. The point is that there are just too darn many closable questions.
If we don't have limits on what can be requested here, then this room will be as useless as the system's close-vote queue.
 
@Makyen Of course, but you may select not to vote to close if you feel that you need those votes on something with more priority. I've voted to close some questions I find on my screen when I check the room. I've not voted on all of them, for various reasons. ;)
 
@Braiam I must admit that prior to acting, I only looked at the timeline for two of the questions 1 2, not all of them. The ones I looked at didn't show trips through the CV queue. The other one shows that it last was in the queue in 2017.
@Braiam Yes, everyone gets to decide on what they will individually vote. Part of my job as an RO is to keep this room organized so that it is effective. That means I need to look at the overall picture, not just say that an overabundance of requests will be dealt with just by people voting or not. That's an argument which has no bearing on selecting the conditions for what's acceptable to cv-pls request.
The vast majority of questions for which people post cv-pls requests should be closed. If we permit the number of requests in this room to reach the point where a large number of requests are not handled, or only get a couple of close-votes, then the room is not as effective overall. Thus, in order to maintain this room as effective, we limit the number of requests, by limiting the questions for which we accept cv-pls requests.
 
2:40 AM
@Scratte I have never had to spend so long reading a question to determine that there was, in fact, no MCVE...I applaud your diligence.
 
 
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4:20 AM
@RyanM Reading the comments first could have helped, maybe :)
 
4:32 AM
I don't have any of my fun tampermonkey scripts on my work computer. Now that I've downvoted, is this question scheduled for Roomba? stackoverflow.com/q/32284207/2943403
 
@RyanM That Question was also bountied, so it's been rather high traffic.
@mickmackusa Yes. 5 day according to the 30 day rule.
 
@Scratte thanks.
 
4:57 AM
@user12986714 offensive comment removed; just let it roomba (and flag for mod attention if the OP vandalizes it again)
@Braiam what I sometimes do is vote to close and then just mention here in the room that there are old off-topic questions in the queue in case somebody wants to help out
under the old 5 votes to close regime that was not feasible, but now I think it can work quite well
 
@user12986714 As I responded in Charcoal HQ, this isn't something which should be flagged, other than for closure.
 
5:17 AM
I am going to un-hammer this post, because I think I was too hasting in seeking a dupe. I don't have time to delve into the quirks of the question. Anyone else is welcome to re-close as Needs more details or Cannot reproduce. stackoverflow.com/q/61722186/2943403
 
5:45 AM
@mickmackusa maybe mention that this is and apparently about system sort order vs PHP sort order
I found a possible duplicate but (thankfully) don't know enough about PHP to nominate to close; left a comment
 
6:11 AM
@Scratte I actually did read them, and they did help, but I try to independently verify and it was a lot of complex code. Your comment about the lack of the unclaimAll() method was particularly helpful
 
@tripleee That dupe suggestion is probably going to irritate the OP because that was one of two dupes that I initially hammered with. (I might ask you to remove that one because unwitting volunteers might jump on that bandwagon and worsen the OP's ire.) Again probably better to close with needing more details.
 
@RyanM My somewhat snarky comment on an answer. Not the first place to look for things though :) The Question itself doesn't directly mention that only some of the code in unclaimAll() is being called. So in my opinion that was an addition "requirement".
@RyanM One of the things that I never mentioned because there really are a lot of things I would have liked to know in order to Answer it was the logging. There are no logging that will produce the loglines seen. And there is also no differences in the two logging calls, which makes me think that perhaps they just don't know which one is being called. Or.. something in the the plugin class is handling stuff strangely. But also, there's no code for that.
 
Oh certainly not the first place I looked :-)
 
@RyanM Annoyingly.. I think I know what's going on :D
 
6:31 AM
I'm mildly disgruntled when I see an absolutely awful question to which I can guess the answer with high confidence
but I usually swallow my disgruntles and answer it :-p
 
@RyanM I will not answer this. I believe this type of bug requires an answer to be quite thorough because it may or may not fix it. So providing proof that this happened in my local environment and this is how I fixed it would help to validate my answer. Lacking such proof would just be a "wild guess" :)
Also it needs an explanation to what exactly is going on. Which I could include too.
 
6:47 AM
 
7:12 AM
Pfft plagarized my explanation and it is untrue of the answer. Ha. stackoverflow.com/a/61723986/2943403
 
7:46 AM
@SamuelLiew I just ran into your SE timeline, very nice! There's one thing I was missing (which I never know when it happened): the Summer of Love.
 
@AndrasDeak what timeline?
 
check his profile
 
Oh, shiny
 
@Scratte yeah, I usually don't answer those. the result is inevitably asking for more information because there's not enough information to provide a detailed answer with code.
 
8:07 AM
@kvantour I propose a different duplicate
 
8:25 AM
This JavaScript question was reopened by a gold hammer, but the duplicate target seemed appropriate. Could more people familiar with the subject have a look?
 
@AndrasDeak :O That's some work put into it.
 
9:01 AM
@Adriaan Not sure what that website just did to my system, but I'm not happy...
 
no waffles here, move along
 
DID SOME1 MENTION WAFFLEZ
 
@halfer The lack thereof. Sorry.
 
@halfer no :)
 
9:59 AM
To be honest, I have been more commonly having pancakes instead, since this works on a regular pan.
 
@halfer still counts as a mention
 
10:24 AM
I had some stroopwafles yesterday with my coffee {chomp, nom}
 
@halfer nice! I have to get some Stroopwafels my self.
 
@rene they sell them in regular supermarkets here! The invasion starts to bear fruit
 
@Adriaan Oh, that is cool! How is the drop going?
 
@rene slower, alas. Just available in the Holländische Lädeli. I do require significant amounts of drop though, in order to keep my bloodpressure up
 
10:48 AM
"how you feel when you attend your first driving lesson?" I felt like posting spam, of course.
 
is there a way to know the exact number for people reached
 
@PeterHaddad no.
 
okay thank you
 
10:51 AM
@PeterHaddad I doubt it. You could write a SEDE to add all viewcounts on questions you asked/answered, but even that will be skewed, e.g. if you write an answers some views have occurred before hand, and not everyone seeing a question might scroll down to your answer
 
@Adriaan SEDE is not great: I tried: meta.stackexchange.com/a/253596/158100
@PeterHaddad I've this MSO answer to explain why that is a no: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/320520/578411
 
@Adriaan Yep, got mine from a normal UK supermarket. Pretty much ate the bag of them over the course of a day!
Then decided maybe I'd eaten too many
 
Meh, you get used to it. I can tell from experience ...
 
this query is close to the view count that I have
 
11:15 AM
It still is a guesstimate but if it works for you, that is great.
 
12:46 PM
Could somebody with 10k+ check if this question was already asked by the same user before? I think I've seen the same question a couple of days ago, and it was closed as off-topic.
 
@Georgy I don't think we 10k users can see deleted questions by users without a direct link.
At least I'm not aware of a way.
There is SEDE query, I suppose.
 
@Georgy You can't see a list of another user's deleted questions, only your own (which is inexplicably a 10k link)
 
@VLAZ Looks like I found it: stackoverflow.com/questions/61693544/…
 
@Georgy self-deleted
 
@Georgy screenshot if you want to see it.
 
12:52 PM
I would mod flag it and let them look at it. End-running closure like that is frowned upon
 
@VLAZ Looks like it's the same user with two accounts
@Machavity Ok, I'll flag it now.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Are you sure that none of those target duplicates are duplicates of one another?
Maybe the title of the canonical should be "Creating an array out of a string with separators?" or something of the sort?
 
1:07 PM
@Braiam Yeah, they're all essentially dupes of eachother. I'm not spending my close votes on that now though :\
 
2:14 PM
The roomba is on strike? We are doomed!
 
Boson too :( We will have to create userscripts to hide all posts that should have been Roomba'ed :)
 
2:28 PM
@E_net4inafullmetajacket Full strike, or just hunger strike?
 
2:54 PM
OK, let's set things straight: why shouldn't this comment merit a UU flag?
Not only was the flag declined, the comment still stays there. This ought to have been a mistake.
 
@E_net4inafullmetajacket Maybe the "ridiculous" bit was skipped over by a mod in a hurry. It's pretty mild though, so would probably let it go.
It is healthy for everyone to think of themselves as ridiculous, anyway :=p
 
I think it was declined for being a red flag. It's borderline, but it could also be a poor choice of words. Mod probably gave the benefit of the doubt
 
@halfer ;) But I'm not quite convinced of that one. my stance
@Machavity But a UU flag does not incur a heavy penalty. My current perception is that moderators are not very worried about accepting UU flags when they should have been NLN instead.
 
Every time I think of "ridiculous", I always imagine Professor Lupin and his wardrobe of boggarts.
 
Plus the link above. One cannot dictate which names are "kosher".
And regardless, the comment is better gone than just staying there being smelly.
 
3:04 PM
@E_net4inafullmetajacket Maybe it's true? @Dharman Are you, or have you ever been, ridiculous?
5
 
@AdrianMole Defamation! Send to court!
 
A question can only be defamation if it is indisputably rhetorical.
 
@AdrianMole This accusation is ridiculous.
No, but seriously I was not following the conversation and I don't know why I'm being pinged.
 
Oo, the plot thickens
 
Comment linked by E_net4_has_no_fixed_username.
 
3:07 PM
I was already sure of my flag, but see how the OP showed their true colors.
@AdrianMole That's a good one.
 
@Dharman here if you're on a mobile and can't find the previous lnk.
 
Meh, I put the last del-vote because at this point the OP didn't seem to want to cooperate.
 
halfer put on the Kevlar and took the beating :=)
I'm off to chase a Please Halp Me Boggart { waves wand }
 
Pff you undug some dirt. There's no point arguing with some people. They need a lot of time to grow up.
 
@Dharman None of this would have happened if the comment flag hadn't been mishandled. :(
 
3:11 PM
@E_net4inafullmetajacket Down with mods!
 
I want pancakes now. :(
 
I've just bought a stack of chocolate :-)
I'm out of stroopwafels sadly, but maybe that is a good thing
 
 
4:47 PM
Am I going floppy, or was there an identical post to that last one reported by Smokey, about an hour ago?
 
Going floppy? You're square, flat, and easy to wiggle?
 
@AdrianMole similar, ~ 100% the same see the smokey records
 
@rene Yeah, I just checked in CHQ and found it. Very similar - I guess OP chose to delete and repost, rather than edit. But I don's see anything sinister.
@Scratte No, I'm 5.25 inches in diameter and obsolete.
 
@AdrianMole I left them a comment
 
@rene Metasmoke is loading really slowly for me.
 
5:07 PM
@Braiam yeah, it isn't one of the quickest webapps
 
@AdrianMole They've brought back the LP.. you may become retro yet ;)
 
5:46 PM
I've seen some users link to other users accounts in their profile saying thank you's. Is there a policy on that, or is it fine?
 
5:56 PM
@Scratte As long as the user isn't violating the CoC, then the content of a user's profile is usually granted considerable leeway. It doesn't really sound like what you describe is a problem.
 
@Makyen No. It's like a praise :)
 
@Scratte It's fine. I encourage people to put their complaints about mods or the network or the waffle that would be off-topic elsewhere into their profiles. We can ignore it there!
 
@halfer that's why I fill my profile with stack traces that I want people to debug without any code
 
But.. we want waffles.. :)
 
People can put their political views here, religious proselytisations, complaints about the CoC, complaints about the welcoming initiative or how unwelcoming the site is, or how their latest ban is evidence that mods are harassing them, etc. I've seen 'em all :=)
@Scratte I should fill my profile with stroopwafles
@RyanM Nice!
 
5:59 PM
@halfer argh now I want stroopwafels
 
{chomp nom slurp}
 
@RyanM I went to your profile just now.. just to help you. I'm really very disappointed. I feel deceived.. I'd like a gin now.
 
@Scratte I'd love to but you know, social distancing, can't.
 
I also just experienced what I think is someone hijacking my idea for a solution in an answer.. and using the idea in their own answer. I think I need something stronger. Maybe tonic in my gin.
 
I should tell chatty users they can put their please-halp begging in their profile, and remarks about how long they have been stuck for, and how much they would GREATLY appreciate an answer, and that will save us reading it for every question :=]
 
6:05 PM
@halfer But.. what if they all stopped putting it in Questions? Wouldn't you feel empty and puzzled about what to do?
 
@Scratte In the absence of waffle (the chatty variety) it is clear they want waffles (the sweet variety)
 
@halfer So.. you're saying that if I post a Question with no waffle, you'll give me waffles? :) :) :)
 
Anyone have a good link for "you can't just copy a bunch of content from a linked page into your answer"? (linked page is Apache licensed, which as I understand it is not compatible with CC-BY-SA in either direction)
 
@RyanM I think the Apache license allows for content to be posted as cc-by-sa. But not the other way around.
 
hmmm...actually it might be CC-BY, which might be fine
I guess the question is: can an answer consist entirely of content from another page, plus a link to that page, assuming the licenses are compatible?
 
6:19 PM
@RyanM I don't understand that. The apache license is permissive.
 
@Scratte It's permissive, if you follow the rules ("You must give any other recipients of the Work or Derivative Works a copy of this License", "You must retain, in the Source form of any Derivative Works that You distribute, all copyright, patent, trademark, and attribution notices from the Source form of the Work, excluding those notices that do not pertain to any part of the Derivative Works"). I'm unclear on whether a link to the original is sufficient.
I found this meta.stackoverflow.com/a/320352/208273 which leans toward "no, at least by SE policy" but it's not a perfect match for this scenario
 
That post in Thai reported by Smokey is R/A (Google translate the first line or so, if you're interested in the actual meaning.) Note: In Thai, the word translated 'milk' also means the (human) organs from which milk comes.
 
@RyanM That's a different situation. That applies when when one answer here is copied into another.
 
stackoverflow.com/help/referencing is perhaps a better reference: "Do not copy the complete text of external sources; instead, use their words and ideas to support your own."
I shouldn't have focused on the license, I think
 
@RyanM If you flag it, you should put that link into a comment, that also explains what you just said. That way it's easier for reviewers to know why you flagged it.
 
6:29 PM
Can you retract/resend custom flags?
 
@RyanM Custom moderator flags, yes.
 
@Scratte excellent, thanks, did that.
@AdrianMole flagged because the translation is good enough to know it's R/A, but is it actually coherent in the original Thai? The translation is borderline nonsense, it looks almost like Markov chain output.
(asking out of curiosity rather than concerns over how to handle it)
 
@AdrianMole OK, that makes the post have more sense. There was something further down about eggs. I assume it is about other body parts instead.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, duplicate SD report.
 
While I'm not completely fluent in Thai, I can generally make sense of what Google tries to do. That is written in very 'street level' Thai, and is quite clearly a 'lady of the night' soliciting business. And the username concurs.
Maybe I should change my R/A to a custom mode flag?
 
6:37 PM
It's deleted now
 
@VLAZ Your assumption is valid!
 
@AdrianMole I read that completely different :)
 
Good morning all /o
 
@RyanM About the copyright or copyleft or license: I don't think we're suppose to handle that. If I understand procedure correctly, we do not preempt issues. If someone feels that a post on SO is in violation, they must send a take down notice. We're only supposed to handle plagiarism and the sorts.
 
@Scratte Yes, but to clarify, if you reduce the Bad Waffles you give me, it increases the Good Waffles I give you. Simples!
 
6:47 PM
@halfer I have already ordered a bigger mailbox :)
 
[ <--- a mailbox THIS BIG for extra large stroopwafle delivery --> ]
 
Since when do SO questions require "major research effort" before asking?
Is there a help topic that tells users as such?
 
I messed up. While reviewing Low Quality Posts I accidentally hit Looks OK on a post that is just commentary. I assume there’s not a way to change my review. Obviously I’ll be more careful in the future. Is this something I should fret over? Or just promise to do better and move on?
 
That's a locked and disputed answer
> There are disputes about this answer’s content being resolved at this time. It is not currently accepting new interactions.
 
@MattB. I think this is a hot potato really. The waters are very divided on the issue.
 
7:01 PM
I agree about effort as far as this page documents: stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask
 
@MattB.: Oh, good catch. I noticed it was locked, but missed that it was disputed. There are other answers on that FAQ, too, which are less stringent. I will say that if posts were actually held to the standard of the disputed answer, probably 95% of questions should be removed. I like the idea of encouraging more research, but that particular answer seems really unrealistic to me.
 
Full agreement!
 
@MattB. There's an answer here from shog9 on Do we need a close reason for zero-effort questions?. I read is as "No" as long as it's not a duplicate and there's thought behind the Question.
 
Looks like Google Code Prettify, Stack Exchange's code highlighter, was discontinued three weeks ago
 
..No means: No, we don't/shouldn't require problem solving effort.
 
M--
7:09 PM
(There are "duplicated" answers: copypastor.sobotics.org/posts/1533)
Are we allowed to edit Jon Skeet's answers? :D
 
@M-- I do not think Jon Skeet will not notice, so it's up to you. Do you want to be noticed? :)
 
M--
@Scratte Are you calling me an attention w*ore? LOL, jk
 
@M-- I do not think they are duplicates. It seems that one is trying to update by cloning. The other is just cloning. I can't speak to how to resolve the issue though. If they can be resolved by the same thing, then yes.. I'd be reluctant to base any certainties on the answer though.
 
@M-- Mods/Staff have been known to delete Mr Skeet's answers! I came across this fun post, recently.
 
 
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11:10 PM
 
11:20 PM
@Scratte what do you mean by "update by cloning"?
I concur on "not a dupe" though, or at least not a clear dupe. One has the error remote: A positive capacity must be specified for a Memory Mapped File backed by an empty file. and the other is fatal: read error: Invalid argument,
@Vickel I know absolutely nothing about codeigniter so please forgive me if I'm way off-base here, but the question appears to have already included the solution from the proposed duplicate
 
let me check again
@RyanM this is the answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/18366558/… this is the duplicate question: stackoverflow.com/questions/61739708/…
maybe I mixed it up in the manual editing of the cv-pls
 
@Vickel "then I check my MIME types and it's already set to....'xml' => array('application/xml', 'text/xml', 'text/plain'),"
 
yeah that's the answer, not the duplicate question
 
that's from the question
 
MIME type was not set in Codeigniter's mimes.php config file, that's the answer
sorry, to quick typing
that MIME type question is asked over an over
 
11:32 PM
Okay, I guess I really don't understand CodeIgniter. to be clear, you are saying that 'xml' => array('application/xml', 'text/xml', 'text/plain'), is not taking the advice in this answer
oh
the three copies of text/plain are probably wrong. I see.
Seems like maybe not an exact dupe, but I'll defer to people who know the subject better, since I'm really unfamiliar with the subject matter.
 

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