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12:56 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
And... it was too late...
 
1:53 AM
Sigh! Where is the canonical for linked lists in ? Again.
I'm off to the Land of Nod!
 
2:35 AM
@user12986714: why should that question be on meta? It doesn't belong either on the main site or on meta
@user12986714: and you never responded to my comments made to your previous requests, why? Do you disagree with them? Agree with them?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Wow! You're alert tonight. I posted that last cv-pls, and refreshed the page, and you'd already CV'd. Thanks. :-)
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels sorry which one? I didn't see them...
 
@Makyen: did you see the issues regarding @user12986714's requests from earlier today?
Regarding your flag for spam request. Surely you saw it
@user12986714: this issue
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels err... I have retracted the flag. Also I posted several messages about that "user12986714
5:16 PM
^^^+1 (retracted) I was hunting down the user; he/she posted another spam post... I will be more careful then"
@HovercraftFullOfEels It is strange that you can't see my message... Is that due to I did not ping you?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels looking... I had hoped/thought it was resolved with the messages from you and supported by others at the time, which all happened when I had stepped out.
 
2:44 AM
@user12986714 If you don't ping, then folks don't see
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels err my bad
Sorry about that
 
@user12986714 One thing that's not clear if it was communicated: We try to stay quite a ways away from targeting users here in SOCVR. Sometimes, SmokeDetector does report multiple posts from a single user. In general, we try to let discussion of that be in Charcoal HQ, which is the main room for SmokeDetector. That room is focused on keeping spam and rude/abusive posts off of all Stack Exchange sites.
Due to the nature of how people behave, that room often deals with multiple posts from the same user, sometimes the same user on multiple sites, or the same person with multiple accounts, sometimes multiple accounts on multiple sites. So, when the issue becomes about a user posting multiple posts that are spam or rude/abusive, we would prefer that any conversation happens in Charcoal HQ.
 
@Makyen IIRC what's being talked about, I gave an "sd tpu" to the Smokey reports (three came in almost at once - clearly from the same user).
 
@Makyen thank you. So next time I hunt down spam posts I should post them on Charcoal HQ, right?
 
@user12986714 Yes. That's the best place for them.
 
2:52 AM
@user12986714 Do you remember seeing a reply to me from Smokey about the posts you're talking about? Something, "registered as true positive and user blacklisted." When you've seen that, then Smokey has, and most folks in here will have understood.
Other folks in here do that sometimes, too. But, as Makyen says, Charcoal HQ is the place to be if you want to do more on spams.
 
@AdrianMole thank you. Will do next time.
 
@user12986714 BTW: if you have not yet done so, please read our FAQ. There are a considerable number of rules which we try to adhere to.
@user12986714 In your requests, please use actual close reasons. "Wall of code" isn't a close reason. While I agree that the question this request is about has problems, an appropriate close reason might be "unclear"/"Needs details or clarity" or "no MCVE"/"Needs debugging details". Using actual close reasons in requests here helps people make the choice as to if they are going to visit the question, and makes it more likely your request is fulfilled.
Feel free to re-post this request with an actual close reason.
 
 
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4:46 AM
@user12986714 Thank you for taking feedback and adjusting how you make requests in here. In general, it would probably be good to take things a bit slower, as some of the issues appear to be at least partially that you're rushing through things. One of the primary things is that requests shouldn't be for actions which you wouldn't do yourself, if you had the capability (e.g. I understand that you can't close-vote, so a cv-pls should reflect how you are actually close-flagging on a post).
However, there are still a couple of requests which need a bit more comment/feedback.
This del-pls, should really have been a rude/abusive (R/A) flag. The content there was specifically trolling. While it may not have appeared as egregious as some R/A content, the person was basically saying "Nobody cares about you. You should go ahead and kill yourself." to someone who'd stated they were contemplating suicide. That's really bad. It deserves to be deleted as quickly as possible. The penalty for R/A content is quite appropriate there.
This migration to Meta request has a couple of issues. First, that question really isn't on-topic for Meta Stack Overflow (i.e. it's not "about Stack Overflow or the software that powers the Stack Exchange network"; within the scope of Meta). Questions which are not on-topic on the target site shouldn't be migrated. They are just going to be closed on the target site, which dumps them back here.
That question was also a special case, because it was the OP claiming, in a somewhat realistic manner, that they were considering committing suicide. For such posts, there's a Meta Stack Exchange post: What's the official SE response to serious mentions of suicide or self-harm in posts? which has answers describing what to do.
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While the person may not have really been at that point, it's better to error on the side of caution when there's the possibility that someone dies if the situation is misunderstood or mishandled.
 
 
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7:19 AM
 
7:33 AM
..a song for one of my favorite stack users :) I only really understand a few words in this song..
 
 
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9:57 AM
Good moaning all
\o
 
 
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11:34 AM
@halfer grunt
 
@E_net4inafullmetajacket moan, waffle, chat, plz halp
 
11:53 AM
@halfer plz halp need coden asap
 
I thought you were a pacifist :) Now you've become a bullet? :)
 
@Scratte I'm a polystyrene bullet in a Nerf gun
 
@halfer Hopefully you only get fired indoors.. due to environmental issues :)
 
12:10 PM
 
@mickmackusa done! :D
@Scratte No kidding. I had this astounding thunder and hail storm yesterday.
 
@E_net4inafullmetajacket Inside or outside? Outside I don't recommend holding an umbrella.. though the full metal jacket may not be a bad idea.
Does a car count as a big metal jacket?
 
12:27 PM
I think this is a general advice for us to keep deleting as much as possible. :D
 
@Dharman So.. you don't see null, you see a wildcard?
 
Ha! Sorry, kid has a sore tummy and had to lay down with her. I must have accidentally touched send before closing my mobile.
 
@Scratte Nerf gunning is carried out with safety glasses, and with regard to social distancing recommendations.
 
12:49 PM
@halfer Not that kind of environment :) I was thinking about the plastic in nature kind of thing :)
 
@mickmackusa I appreciate you helping close the this question but I really wanted this to be closed as off-topic. It is missing crucial detail about which extension they use. It could be either PDO or mysqli. Now the question will not be deleted automatically after 10 days because duplicates with answers are not deleted. Unless OP comes back and clarifies we will now have one more unneeded duplicate.
 
@Dharman The duplicate both helps the OP to solve the issue and is appropriate regardless of if the OP clarifies the missing parts. I didn't realize that off-topic questions were deleted even if they are answered. No biggie, I can either promise to ask for delete votes in a couple days; or I can use my Golden Prybar to reopen and we can re-vote to close again, right?
 
1:05 PM
@Scratte Oh yes. All darts are retrieved and responsibly recycled :-)
 
@mickmackusa meh, leave it. I don't care that much as long as the answers are not harmful.
 
1:30 PM
@bad_coder Calling anyone names is not permissible.
 
@Dharman hey, I like that OP's contributions, honestly. I think he consistently has a friendly posture. But I don't like seeing "repwhore" being thrown around. I hope someone points out that term has become an outdated practice in terms of current site etiquette. It shouldn't be prominently featured on a Meta post.
 
@bad_coder I can't find any mention of that user calling anyone repwhore. I only see a link a related post which has that practice in the name.
 
@bad_coder we don't moderate users here. Sorry.
 
2:03 PM
@rene thanks Rene, appreciate it. Precious post that one...!!
 
2:35 PM
@bad_coder I agree with your sentiment, but editing this sort of thing on Meta can cause such a backlash that it is not always worth it. High rep users reaching for discouraged phraseology are probably doing it merely to exercise the liberty to do so. That's annoying, but I don't think there is much we can do about it.
On the main site, I think we can be a bit more stringent with our editing.
 
2:55 PM
@halfer I appreciate your thoughtful answer. Top notch quality !!
@halfer it does speak a ton about the mods...that's their job, and the cm's.
 
3:19 PM
@halfer the timing was anything but a coincidence. If the post came from someone else I'd say it was a collective effort, the layout of the writing is reminiscent of the Triage queue post. But what it does is try to circumvent a real analyses -which is very difficult- by proposing a seeming solution that would only enable an assorted group to close whatever doesn't cater to the interests of their own exclusive club.
The best engineers I ever met would take 1 look at that post and never join the site on matter of principle.
They should propose a gold tier "clean up badge" and then we'd see how many would go for that...!!
@halfer I haven't seen many "high rep" users converting their answers into community wikis - especially the most vocal ones when it comes to "dupe" and "unfriendly" ranting on meta. Lead by example, some say...
 
4:12 PM
@bad_coder I think mods tend to take quite a hands-off approach on Meta, as they know how touchy the crowd can be. CMs are in a similar bind, since some of them find the Meta readers hostile, and they probably want to keep their powder dry for the times when they want to do stuff the (vocal parts of the) community will react badly to.
@bad_coder I personally would not write the post (or the poster) off for one misstep. The post is otherwise valuable and appears to care about community curation, and a lot of effort has gone into it. I wonder if the loaded term has some unpleasant leanings towards misogyny, but I appreciate that one cannot always know the mind of the speaker.
 
4:31 PM
Oy, I said flag-pls, not migrate-pls.
Also not a .
 
@E_net4inafullmetajacket You gotta pay the troll toll...
 
@E_net4inafullmetajacket Would ya know it, I recently added one of these handy tags to a question from a high-rep and well-known troublemaker, and they magically got a site suspension! It's like a magic power.
 
@halfer ✨✨✨
 
@E_net4inafullmetajacket I plan to use my magic power responsibly.
Only on the worst trolls!
 
Are you talking in a secret code? I have no idea what a "handy tag" is..
 
4:41 PM
@Scratte Handy is British/Aus slang for convenient, I think it means "close to hand".
And the tag was - of course I was joking when I said I had used it on the main site ;-)
 
Hrmf :) I know what handy means :)
Ahh.. I thought you were serious :D
 
Well, a troublemaker really did get a suspension recently, but they surely did not need a troll tag to identify them as a troll :=)
 
@E_net4inafullmetajacket FWIW I did flag that post, but I read between the lines and if you check their question history you can see they are just lost and needed some directions. This was not pure trolling they just didn't know how to use the site. I voted to migrate because such questions asking for support with the site should be asked on Meta.
 
@halfer I like trolls. Especially the small ones with the orange hair. They're always smiling and sometimes they even hold my pen when I'm not using it :)
 
@Dharman Yes, but you also know how that could have gone wrong. We want to avoid migration rejections, because it's just worse than just the question being stopped where it first emerged.
 
4:51 PM
Yeah, to be fair I probably should have used custom off-topic reason.
 
@halfer More likely derived from "useful" or "skilful" As in, for example, "handyman."
 
Ohh.. I just found a place where there selling 3cm sized micro-trolls with various hair colour. It's like a rainbow-troll collection!
 
Do they have hammers?
 
Hrmf!.. Grrr.. Going to get some gin now..
 
A troll without a hammer is like a gin without a strawberry.
 
4:55 PM
Oh. I thought you were going to get a hammer too, so you could smash them all :D If you need some to expand on your collection I found them here
 
I'd love a Troll-Hammer (or even better, a Thor-Hammer) - but I've still a long way to go: currently on 556/1000 in my top tag.
Aah, they're so cute!
 
That's what I said :) Though they do come at a high price when shipping, customs and vat is included.
 
@AdrianMole Interesting thought. In your derivation, it would mean "good with hands", I guess.
 
5:19 PM
@halfer In my native language a craftsman is called håndværker. It sort of means hand-craft'er
 
5:56 PM
@Braiam anyone remembers why Shog added
 
6:22 PM
@Machavity Just out of interest, and to be clear about expected protocols, is it OK (or even desirable) to give an "sd tpu" in here on Smokey reports like the above, or should that best be done in CHQ?
 
@AdrianMole Do you have privs here?
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@AdrianMole ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
Feel free to feedback here then
 
OK, just that there was a discussion yesterday about 'too much spam flagging' and related issues, and that CHQ was perhaps a better place. (I noticed that somebody there has already given feedback on that batch, though.)
 
6:26 PM
Incidentally, there's also the FIRE userscript. No need for chat feedback at all
 
I'll check that out! Does "Advanced Flagging" send feedback to Smokey? (Like it does for Natty and others.)
 
I wasn't here for that, but generally we prefer other commands to Smokey be done in CHQ. For instance allspam, etc. Individual post reports are OK in here
Advanced Flagging can, but only for NAA if memory serves
Feedback to SD reports in the room are always fine
 
@Machavity allspam is not allowed here. It is considered user targeting.
So allspam is not a matter of preference.
 
@rene But isn't tpu also 'targeting' a user?
...and that works in here.
 
well, yes. but the allspam was really over the top.
 
6:54 PM
@rene Yeah
To be clear, we allow SD feedback and individual post reports (and the various "joke" commands in moderation). The rest should be done in CHQ
 
7:25 PM
I think oledb drivers are also included in msoffice installation.
 
8:11 PM
Does anyone have an idea what this answer is? stackoverflow.com/a/61716559/1839439
 
@Dharman Looks like NAA. I've flagged it as such.
 
@Dharman Why don't you fill in the form and click "submit" - see what happens? ;P
 
Looks like a misunderstanding.. lol! @AdrianMole
 
hehe
 
Boson is not online.. I feel.. naked
 
8:22 PM
What is Boson?
 
What's Boson? Is it like a Higgs Boson?
 
I feel so lazy today I don't even want to continue arguing with another user.
 
Boson is the meta comment collector and until recently a permanent resident in the meta comment archive room.
@Dharman Does that mean you're also not deleting stuff?
 
You are right I still have 4 votes left.
I also have steam and Netflix
 
Did you hear that the Bishop of Rome tried to excommunicate the Higgs Boson? He claimed that calling it "the God Particle" was blasphemous.
... but the Higgs Boson won the appeal, because, without it, you can't have Mass!
 
8:27 PM
If he had succeeded we would have been able to go anywhere and eat anything :)
 
I can eat anything. Don't tell me how to live my life.
 
@Dharman So.. you're the one that ate a car?
 
It was a Smart car. They say you are what you eat.
 
Monsieur Mangetout ate a car, an aeroplane ...
 
8:40 PM
@AdrianMole It doesn't say car. I remember one guy that ate an entire small Volkswagon.
 
Maybe I'm getting a bit confused. Still, a Cessna 150, bicycle and a coffin (with handles).
 
@AdrianMole I wonder what kind of computer he ate.
 
A big Mac?
 
lol!.. Good one. Here something for @Dharman: Largest pizza
 
 
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9:51 PM
Hmm. Just been in chat with a newish user who thought that accepting an answer would close the question.
 
10:03 PM
@user12986714 You should be flagging answers like that, not posting del-pls requests in here.
 
@AdrianMole Yeah I suppose that according to the faq I can't post flagging requests for naa?
 
@user12986714 But asking for a del-pls looks like you're trying to 'get round' the rules.
If you see a question that you're not sure about, you can ask in here what others think, before you flag it. You can also occasionally make flg-pls requests.
... but I'm not a Room Owner, so maybe I should say no more.
 
10:43 PM
Cool, it was sent twice :/
 
@Braiam Intentional, or just a mixup? testing?
@user12986714 Please don't report such answers in here; just flag as NAA. We don't report NAA posts in here, because there's no significant benefit to a more than one NAA flag. For something like that to be posted in here, there needs to be some unusual (i.e. quite rare) circumstance justifying it. For example, you could request for someone else to flag as NAA if it's not possible for you to do so (e.g. you're out of flags; you previously flagged it, but it was edited out of the review queue; etc.).
 
10:59 PM
@Makyen I... actually don't know.
I removed previously duplicate instances of the room in a list that appears
 
@Makyen So my understanding is that next time I should just flag it and do no more and do not post a del-pls. Also regarding this migration I was quite afraid that closing/deleting it will antagonize the OP...
 
@user12986714 Yes, please. The normal review queue or mods will take care of it. However, if there is something that is in the grey area and you are afraid that the NAA flag will be declined, you can ask us for a second opinion.
 
@user12986714 Yes, that's about it. You could also down-vote, but your don't have to do so. Basically anything you think is NAA, probably is reasonable to down-vote. Down-voting such, at least to the point the score is negative, is useful, because 20k+ users can't vote to delete unless the answer is <=-1, and any answer with a score >0 requires moderator review of the deletion when done through the LQP review queue (where the answer goes when it gets a NAA or VLQ flag).
 
11:18 PM
@Makyen Ah, I know. I think I pressed enter and the dialog was lagging, so I clicked send
 
@Braiam Hmmm... OK. I'll double check to see if the code isn't preventing that. It should.
 
@Makyen remember that I'm using GM in Firefox.
 
@Braiam Oh, yeah, that... That could certainly affect it, as the check for not double sending (at least after reloading the page) is based on the data stored in userscript storage, which won't work for you.
 

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