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2:12 AM
@Makyen I filed a feature request to not invite people when their messages get moved. There is a prior declined request, so this is phrased as a reconsideration request.
 
@gparyani Thanks for pinging me. While it would be useful to have the option to disable notifications for both our archiving and moves to /dev/null, it's not something I'd place a high priority on. Each non-RO/moderator user should, in total, get a single invitation to each of the rooms when the first message of theirs is moved into that room. Because they can't join the room, they should never get an additional invitation.
For ROs and moderators, it's a bit more of a pain in the rear, because the system will issue the invitation anytime the user has entered the room since the last time an invitation was sent and the user is not still in the room. In other words, if an RO enters the Graveyard or /dev/null, then they will get a notification the next time one of their messages is moved by another RO or moderator.
 
2:49 AM
@sideshowbarker I think that one is general computing, rather than no MCVE. It sounds like the OP is looking for a solution for their machine, rather than a solution for their code.
 
@Makyen /me looks at it again
 
@sideshowbarker Not that it really matters which of those reasons is used in this instance.
 
yeah I see that you’re right, though
I guess I tend to (wrongly) assume by default that when somebody posts at SO, it’s because they’re having a code issue — even when they don’t post any code
not a safe assumption to make of course
…though the first commenter there made the same assumption
 
Well, within the context of SO, it's better to assume that it's a code issue. Without the OP's comment, I would be more inclined to give the benefit of doubt and assume it's a code issue. The OP talking in their comment about the issue also existing when they are using the scanner to scan into a spreadsheet makes me lean further towards the general computing issue, but it's possible they have code... :-;
 
 
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7:46 AM
Anyone interested in identical answers (possible duplicate closures) of java/drools this, this.. and 4 more.
 
@Scratte At least the two which you linked are not exactly identical, so a moderator flag will not have been raised automatically. Manually raising a custom moderator flag explaining that they are duplicates is the thing to do.
 
@Makyen But moderators are not subject matter experts, so how will they know if any of the 6 Questions are duplicates and which one to keep the answer on?
..I'd expect my flag to be declined on such a thing.
 
@Scratte They will care about the identical or very nearly identical answers. Normally, only the first one which was posted will be kept. It doesn't take a SME to do that while leaving the standard comment.
@Scratte To be clear, I'm saying flag one of the answers and link to the others, with an explanation that they are duplicates. The potential duplicate closure of the questions is a different issue, which does require a SME and isn't something to flag for a moderator. Although, flagging for closure would be fine if you think they are duplicates.
 
I skipped the answer in the Queue. I hear you, but I'm obsessed with keeping a good helpful/declined flag ratio, so I'm not very inclined..
Honestly, I have no idea if they are duplicate Questions and I can make no guess as to which is the duplicate target, if any
 
@Scratte While I can understand that concern, not flagging things (the nearly duplicate answers) that should be flagged is, overall, detrimental to the site, or at least not being as beneficial as you could be. Ultimately, you're going to get some declined flags, even if you flag perfectly, because moderators make mistakes, from time to time.
Unless you're very close to being banned from flagging, it seems like you're worrying a bit too much about getting a declined flag or two. When you do, it's not the end of the world.
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8:01 AM
@Makyen I'd accept that, if the flag would be changed to disputed, if a moderator made a mistake. But they are not changed.
I've marked one of answers as a favorite. Maybe some of them will be gone tomorrow.
 
@Scratte As I understand it, sometimes they can't change the flag's resolution to disputed. What moderators can do depends on the type of flag, or at least that's my understanding.
 
@Makyen Right. I'll have to check up on that then :)
 
@Makyen that's true, only some types of flags can be changed and I think CMs have the power to change the state of every flag.
 
What I'm recalling is that moderators can only change spam and R/A flags to disputed, with VLQ and NAA flags only getting the disputed state from how the post is handled by other users in the LQP or Triage queues.
 
But flagging an answer for identical answers would be a custom flag.
 
8:09 AM
@Scratte You would need to get more than 25% of your flags declined to get a temporary flag ban so, if you flag a post and the mod disagrees from time to time, it won't be an issue.
 
@Scratte Yes, which would be marked either helpful or declined.
 
9:22 AM
@mkrieger1 it's [tag:cv-pls]
 
Oh sorry I actually know that. Maybe I should use a script...
 
10:05 AM
Morning all \o
 
 
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11:20 AM
 
11:39 AM
@mkrieger1 we are all devs here: There is an easy way and what you would do in Java ... ;)
@Scratte also worth mentioning that there is no public record of your declined flag count, only helpful flags. I have over 13K of helpflags. Nobody knows the number of screw ups I had in the process reaching that number.
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@rene But you do, and you matter :)
 
12:00 PM
but you have a gold flag badge and that helps me validate flags
http://i.stack.imgur.com/H7VuZ.png
 
@rene I have no issues with admitting to the mistakes that I make. I will have those looking at me as a reminder to think before I press a button.
 
We don't judge rene for his [redacted] declines. Only his bad CVs :P
 
fair enough.
 
12:15 PM
Morning
 
Declines are only bad when you don't learn from them. Or when you forgot to feed the mods
 
12:41 PM
@Scratte FYI, I flagged one of the answers, the flag was marked helpful and the answer deleted.
 
@double-beep Thank you :) Not just that answer :)
 
12:59 PM
@Machavity why not the question?
 
@Dharman Well, now the question has a spam edit as well stackoverflow.com/q/60867646
 
1:20 PM
What do you think about this? stackoverflow.com/q/60867716/1839439
 
@Dharman a clear tutorial request IMO
 
@TylerH Yeah, but the asker provided the tutorial link themselves
kind of spammy behaviour
 
@Dharman they provided a link but are still asking for training help
the link is to the repo for the product they're wanting help with... doesn't strike me as spammy at all, at least not in isolation
 
@TylerH I meant the answer.
 
low quality ans but still not looking spammy to me. OP self-deleted the Q anyway.
 
@DavidBuck Tough question, but I would say yes. The author themselves admits it's not an answer and it should be a comment instead. This does not read as a solution, rather as a question asking for clarifications.
 
@Dharman That was my logic. Still got declined, tho.
 
@DavidBuck You can remove the meta-commentary then. If a mod decided it looks like an answer then let's leave it. I have done so in the past. You can provide answers even if you are guessing the solution.
 
@DavidBuck No. The question suggests an answer within it. One of those "diamonds in the rough"
 
In fact I'd say you could completely edit out the interrogative statement ending in the question mark and it'd not lose any value as an answer attempt
Or rephrase it to say "check to make sure you did not foo the bar before the baz"
 
1:55 PM
I feel the same about answers like: "How about ... ?" I would love to flag them, but I have to edit them instead to make it a statement instead of the question.
 
I've had a crack at making it into a statement rather than a question.
 
@Dharman you could just leave them alone... and you do have the prerogative to consider them not useful on the grounds of being guesswork.
 
It grinds my bot's goat, because it starts with a question, ends in a question mark and is short.
 
Your bot needs to chill :P
 
I know my edit is low quality, but I do not want to just walk past it and do nothing
 
1:58 PM
You may consider it not useful ;)
 
@Dharman I would say your edit is OK quality
 
2:24 PM
@Steve active 10 years ago...?
 
Yes, stumbled on it with a generic search
 
Let's focus on newer stuff instead...
 
Not that it matters to me, I rarely ever hit my CV cap
 
2:43 PM
 
3:40 PM
 
5:16 PM
What should I do with answers that says "Use the library called pufkime. It works for me" (no links, just the name of the library) ?
 
@Scratte NAA. Same as if they had just linked it
 
@Machavity Thank you :) What's the odds that the flag is declined? :)
 
@Scratte Very low. In fact, if it were, I'd tell you to go to Meta
 
5:43 PM
@yivi I think you closed the most recent one rather than the original, but it does not matter too much, since they both need to close.
 
@halfer Yes, I've VTC on the the most recent. Seemed reasonable. They can edit the older one if they one if they want. And yes, both need to be closed.
 
6:01 PM
 
6:14 PM
It is not a duplicate question. This question is about square brackets. The other question is not. Someone that does not know that the square brackets mean positional optional parameters (many people) would not be able to find or understand the other question. — Trevor 59 mins ago
^ ping @Dharman @double-beep
 
@tripleee Thanks for letting us know, but I am not sure what I am supposed to do with it. In my opinion it is a duplicate and the answer is still low quality. I am not going to vote to reopen. Worth knowing that at least my opinion was challenged.
 
Looks to me like a classic case of a duplicate that should remain closed but not deleted - as it is a useful signpost to the other Q/A.
... but the answer is both low-quality and entirely unnecessary (should be a comment).
 
6:30 PM
@Dylanhalls: indeed
 
@Dharman yeah, I'm not competent to judge this either way, just relaying the feedback
 
7:26 PM
@mas in general we should refrain from transcribing code from images. Just ask the OP to do the copy-pasting. That prevents mishaps due to mistakes you might introduce.
 
Those last two Smokey reports look extremely similar to each other - but they're from different users. I spam-flagged them both - but maybe a mod-flag on one?
 
@AdrianMole Can't hurt. Most likely they are socks.
 
... both gone!
 
Spam flags nuked one and a mod deleted the other
 
mas
7:59 PM
@rene Got it! thanks for the tip
 
dbc
8:39 PM
Is this an answer to HTTP vs HTTPS performance, or is it spam? Question asks about performance, answer discusses What Is HTTPS? and includes links to some web site (that may even be relevant, haven't checked).
 
@mas Please note that requests to approve your own edits are not permitted here in SOCVR. For more details, please read our FAQ. For this specific issue, it's #15. So, while we are happy to discuss what's appropriate for you to do with respect to moderation on a post, including what might be appropriate in an edit, please don't post requests for action on your own edits or posts, or where you're otherwise "involved".
 
8:58 PM
Stack Exchange down?
 
mas
@Makyen Opps, thanks for the info. Have you got a clue where I can bring attention to a certain question despite me involving or not in that particular question?! Thanks again
 
@dbc Looks like a spammy link to me
 
mas
@Dharman Nope
 
9:21 PM
@mas It's really going to depend on what you mean by "bring attention to". Your best bet is that it be well written (enough information so people can answer, but not too much to overwhelm), that it has the appropriate tags for what the question is, and that you respond to comments. In general, the normal way to bring more attention to a question is to offer a bounty on it.
If you want to ask a question about how to moderate a particular question, then this is an appropriate room. There are chat rooms which are for specific programing languages, if you're just wanting to discuss something.
However, I'm not aware of any rooms that directly permits someone to come in and say something like "please look at my question [link] and answer it". Doing that will often be considered spam, particularly if done more than once or in more than one room. If people do consider it spam, then it's likely that the message(s) will be deleted and/or moved into a trash room, and limits placed on your ability to use chat (i.e. various length suspensions on all chat, or just specific room(s)).
 
9:51 PM
Is this NAA?
 
@Scratte I might quicker go VLQ on that one.
 
So it should be removed asap :)
 
@Scratte Not necessarily. The answer could provide more details about the plugin along with the link. But they are attempting to provide an answer related to the original problem
 
@Nkosi I'll make a comment then. Thank you :)
 
np
 
mas
10:12 PM
@Makyen Thank you for taking the time to clarify, however, what I meant is that I want to bring moderator's attention to take an action quickly to a flagged question or like in my case; an edited question waiting to be approved/rejected. I know eventually, a moderator will act but what if I want them to act quicker?
 
The tag seems to have been created in the last few days. How do we get it removed?
 
10:40 PM
@mas There are not many good reasons for hurrying moderators. Why do you want priority attention in this case?
 
Just edited all of the questions to remove it from the questions. Is that all that needs to be done?
 
@DavidBuck Did you replace it or remove it? :)
 
Changed it to Python, then flagged half the questions for closure...
 
10:59 PM
@DavidBuck I think it will get deleted by the system if it has no questions when the relevant daily clean-up program runs (sometime around 03:00 UTC, IIRC).
 
@AdrianMole Great. Thanks.
 
mas
@halfer I wanted to share the question with a colleague of mine -is currently online- who could help. But I prefer to clean it and make it more readable before I share it.
 
11:13 PM
@mas Ah, so you have a pending edit?
That does not need a (diamond) moderator anyway - just someone with enough rep to be able to edit without the Review Queue (I think the limit is 3K).
What's the link? Post it here, I will take a look.
 
mas
11:39 PM
@halfer Thank you for your help, though it's already been approved but I and Makyen were just discussing where is the right place to get mods attention since it's not permitted in SOCVR as he stated.
 
@mas There isn't really such a place. I suppose if it was possible to rush a request, everyone would use that option, and then.. well, it wouldn't work :)
 
@mas FYI you should not convert images to code in question. You might introduce additional typos in the process. The usual way to handle this is to close the question as off-topic.
 
mas
@Scratte Thanks for the info. I'm relatively new in StackOverflow community and trying to follow how things are working.
 
Is this off-topic?
 
mas
@Dharman Yep. @rene mentioned that before, thanks anyway.
 
11:50 PM
@S.S.Anne Yes, definitely. Math questions should be posted on Mathematics
 
@Dharman Funny. I had this in school about programming/algorithm.
 
dbc
@S.S.Anne Might be more appropriate for Computer Science. See e.g. Red-Black tree height from CLRS.
 
Never was that mentioned in my math schooling. It's not mathematics.
 
@Scratte Sure algorithms are used in programming, but they come from Maths. IMHO if an algorithm question should be on-topic on SO it must be about implementing an algorithm
 
@Dharman Most algorithm Questions aren't.. they're about runtime and/or understanding of why or how it works. Well.. at least the ones I participated in.
 
11:56 PM
@dbc I change my previous opinion, it really looks like it is more suited for Computer Science rather than Mathematics
 
@mas While I can understand your desire to have an issue you're involved in expedited, there isn't really a good way to accomplish that. While there are sometimes exceptions made, they are about getting fast action when it is of benefit to the site, not just because it would be helpful to any one user personally.
Most of the things that enter any review queue (e.g. suggested edits), other than the close-vote queue, are actually handled reasonably quickly. It's possible that custom flags for complex tasks may take an extended time, but even for most of those it's hours, or perhaps days.
There have been times in the past when some custom flags would take more than a month to be handled. That's definitely not the case at this point, except, perhaps, for some tasks which have to be escalated to Stack Exchange employees, rather than moderators being able to handle it.
 

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