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2:03 AM
Is this question on-topic for SO? Seems more suited to Sound Design to me
 
 
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4:20 AM
@KenWhite also self-answer qualifies it as typo
 
4:48 AM
Morning!
 
o/
 
5:29 AM
Could reviewers read this page? stackoverflow.com/q/26079/2943403 It is a php question, but you don't necessarily need to be php dev to weigh in. Is this page harboring some Not An Answer posts? It reads like a flowing back and forth between the OP and another volunteer. The volunteer has posted 4 answers (1 of which is deleted) the OP has posted 2 answers (1 of which is deleted). Does this page need tidying up? If so, how to proceed? Flag a moderator?
 
5:56 AM
@mickmackusa yeah, flag for mod attention would be my suggestion
 
6:22 AM
Cheers for the confirmation. @tripleee I'll do that.
 
7:09 AM
When moderators look at a flag, do they see all the flags and "suggested edits" for that post? Or just the flags?
 
7:20 AM
@Scratte I think they see flag count. Not sure if they explicitly see pending suggested edits beyond what us mortals would see (which is the (1) after the word edit). For already handled edits they would need to visit the post timeline
 
@rene Thank you. I made a suggested edit on a post that I'm sure someone else thinks is an NAA..
@rene I'm apparently pre-mortal. I never see the (1)
 
lol
 
I am interested in finding out what happens to my suggested edit if the post is deleted.
 
@Scratte yeah, under <2k that is useless info for you as you can't review edits yet. Get some rep, will you ;)
 
@rene No time to build rep. I'm studying meta.. :D
 
7:26 AM
Too much Meta will kill you ... (there is a song in there)
 
I need to know everything! :D But.. it's killing me ;)
 
Any Android person care to look at this? The same code has been posted as an answer on multiple questions which have ended up in LQP - may well be just be because it's code only.
 
@DavidBuck If answers are identical the system will clean them up automatically. This only leaves this, which was edited. Actually it does also leave another one.
 
7:48 AM
@DavidBuck flag for a mod as well, just to be sure. Link to the other answers in your mod message.
 
7:59 AM
@rene Done. Thanks Rene & @Scratte
 
@DavidBuck You're welcome :) I usually mark the posts as favorites. Then I wait a day before flagging. In most cases they're just gone.
 
 
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9:55 AM
Is this NAA? It looks like a mod overrode the decision: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/25685212
 
@Dharman I think answers with score >0 aren't immediately deleted if 4 people have recommended deletion.
they are reviewed by mods
 
I assume a mod has seen it in the past 9 hours
 
@Dharman no it is not NAA, and was handled by a mod that is currently not in this room
 
@Dharman No. It's not NAA. It tries to answer and the link is just reference.
 
Can someone explain why is it not NAA? It should be closed as duplicate. We don't want to link duplicates in the answers, do we?
 
10:00 AM
@Dharman If you remove the link, it's an answer. It doesn't matter that the Question is a duplicate.
 
Maybe I am looking at this wrong. Maybe the link should be removed from the answer and the question closed, but the single sentence in the answer left as it is.
 
@Dharman the link is just for further reading or if someone is interested. Why remove it?
 
@Scratte The answer basically says what the syntax is and where it is explained on SO. I think we usually handle this by closing as duplicate and comment. I don't see how this answer adds anything that is not in the duplicate
 
but it is still an answer either way right?
 
@SamuelLiew ehhh, debatable. It probably is an answer, but the question is a duplicate, so the answer is very low quality.
 
10:05 AM
if a post is not useful, use your (down/close/delete) votes
 
@Dharman You can do that. When it's closed as a duplicate there's no reason to keep the link there. But you can't remove the answer. While it may not add anything that couldn't be deducted by reading the other thread, it's not identical to any other answer, and it still either attempts to answer or is an answer. (I'm not a Dart-expert)
 
low quality means gibberish/nonsense and must be immediately deleted by a mod
 
yeah, fair enough.
 
I think that both the answer and the question should be deleted. The question has been answered in a comment and it's an identical dupe. The answer has just what [] and {} are, perhaps copied from the accepted top answer.
 
@double-beep Which comment?
 
@double-beep Ok, thanks :) I though you meant a comment that also included the initial summary of the answer.
 
 
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11:35 AM
 
Any r-developers? I think I have 2 duplicates to one post, but I can't work out what which one to duplicate target. They seem to have identical answers by one user, but otherwise not. The posts are this, this
.. and this.
 
 
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1:06 PM
 
1:24 PM
 
1:38 PM
Ha, duplicate - would a RO delete my stackoverflow.com/questions/60849896/… report above? Ta.
 
@Adriaan: bit of feedback. I think your comment feedback on the Angular question is correct, but it is maybe rather spiky. I would rather people did not answer and CV, but it is not necessarily bad-faith or two-faced. I suspect they are just not aware that some people do it strategically to garner votes.
 
@halfer you're right about the tone; I removed the comment. I'll try to find a more polite way of phrasing that they should do either, not both.
 
@Adriaan Many thank yous :-)
 
Holy wow, have a look at this page: stackoverflow.com/questions/11928579/…
 
1:43 PM
@mickmackusa As in "all answers are wrong"? (eek)
 
A real beaut.
Well, the accepted / borrowed one is correct. pfft.
 
@mickmackusa Let's delete this one in 2 days. The accepted answer should probably be mod-flagged.
 
2:34 PM
 
2:51 PM
Is there any value in people adding imports into an MCVE? I only ask as I haven't done many SE reviews for a while, but the same user who was posting multiple edits every day is still doing so, just adding in import statements.
 
@DavidBuck It depends. I find it quite annoying when I look at a Question and the imports aren't there.
 
@DavidBuck I'd say it depends. If I found a mention of an Error type in a Rust MCVE, I'd definitely want to know which.
It isn't always obvious where a type or function came from.
 
Even if I know where they're from, I'm using notepad and a command line, so I quite like the imports present. Though I will not suggest a Question be closed if it's obvious where they're from
@DavidBuck But how does the editor know which to add? I mean why don't they just comment and ask the OP to include them?
 
They're usually pretty obvious Python libraries (e.g. BeautifulSoup in a BeautifulSoup question) which is why I'm in two minds about whether it's a pointless edit or a public service.
 
@DavidBuck It's a good question really. Should such edits be rewarded? Why not? Edits just formatting text are rewarded. The first goes to ease compilation, the second to ease the readability.
You could argue that the effort is much smaller than formatting.. so you'll need a second, third, fourth opinion :)
You could also see if the posts needs other editing. If it does, then reject it.
 
3:06 PM
 
@Scratte My guess is that the driving force is to earn 1000 rep with minimal effort, but I could be being cynical.
 
@DavidBuck I had the same thought, so we're both being cynical :D
Maybe they are, but their motivation shouldn't determine how to handle it.
Maybe they'll stop once they reach the reputation. Maybe they'll keep at it. There's noway to tell.
 
I should admit that I generally skip them. I must have come across at least 50 of them in the SE queue from the same user and I got my fingers burned when I got a 2 day ban for approving an edit that didn't add enough value.
 
Maybe there's the answer :)
 
@DavidBuck Yes, an MCVE that is missing imports is not an MCVE
a person should typically be able to copy someone's MCVE into the appropriate IDE and run it and get the exact same outcome that OP is getting. At the very least, imports should be mentioned if they're not explicitly added into the code
Because the error could very well be related to a missing import
for this same reason, we also don't allow users to edit someone else's code in a question that includes a typo or something as that could be the cause of the problem they're facing
Now, in some cases, the minimal reproduction can be created without imports, like HTML/CSS questions that include bootstrap classes or font awesome classes but where the issue can be reproduced without that code
so in cases where code compiles, and a missing reference or import statement would cause it to not compile, the reference or import should be added
 
3:18 PM
@TylerH You don't spend a lot of time in the Java tag, huh?
 
@Scratte Not a ton, no
 
But you can usually determine that from the question. I'm well aware that I never touch an indentation issue if it looks like the cause of the problem, but will do it if its blatantly a cut/paste issue or just that e.g. everything's indented by 40 spaces
 
I do however spend a lot of time closing off-topic Python questions that the Python SO community turns a blind eye to, for example
 
@TylerH If the requirement is that code should compile as is, then I've not yet seen a single Question that couldn't be closed for that reason.
 
I didn't say the code should compile as is. I said in cases (e.g. languages) where code compiles, and a missing reference would cause compile to fail
 
3:21 PM
@TylerH That is the case in Java. Without the import, the code will not compile.
 
Then those questions should either include the imports or should mention in plaintext that they are using those imports
 
But they are standard imports. I can't see this being enforced in that tag.
 
What do you mean by standard imports
 
But I could imagine being banned for letting one through.. so this is getting very tricky
 
Reported "BitDust" from SD report as spam.
 
3:23 PM
like every Java program needs them to run?
 
@M-- bounty questions may not be closed
 
@TylerH Not every. But using a Java SE standard library will need the import.
 
M--
@HovercraftFullOfEels didn't see that. Thanks.
 
@Scratte If there's something that is required by the language that's not included, that's a different case. Just like you don't have to include your whole program in your question (this isn't CodeReview.SE). If you're using the Java SE standard library, then you should mention it; I shouldn't have to assume.
 
@M-- What edit?
I didn't edit anything
@hal
@halfer did
 
3:25 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels I have flagged the question for moderators to remove the bounty as it appears to be created abusively
 
M--
sorry, you're right. My bad
 
@TylerH Nobody but me actually includes those in the Java tag (not that I have seen anyway)
 
M--
@halfer Please revert your edit though. It's a rude answer and needs to go away. Your edit makes it harder to be detected
 
@M-- It's already deleted.
But apologies if I should not have edited - happy to refrain in the future.
 
@Scratte I believe it. The Python community regularly upvotes and answers questions that ask "what is the most Pythonic way to do X" even though that's a blatantly off-topic question.
But them's the rules
 
3:26 PM
@TylerH Perhaps not initially, but it became that way when Mr. "Serve me now" didn't get what he wanted. He should pay us more for our service
 
@Scratte However, in most cases, you shouldn't just close vote questions for having some small problem. If you can fix it, do that instead.
 
@halfer: correct, do not edit, do not flag for deletion. Instead flag as rude/abusive
 
@TylerH But upon hearing this, reviewing java posts does seem to become off-limits for me. Because one will think it's silly to close a question for not having a trivial import while another will ban me for letting it through.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels No probs, will (not) do
 
@Scratte I missed something earlier, I think. Did you get review banned for approving edits that added missing import statements?
 
3:28 PM
@TylerH No, @DavidBuck did
 
M--
@halfer Well check your edit. In the code block, it's still rude. That wasn't an answer for edit but it should've been simply flagged. Sometimes user says something like: "Here's the code code ... I cannot believe how effin stupid I was" Editing those is fine. But this one was a different case. It wasn't conveying any useful info. I would not edit these posts and would just flag.
 
@DavidBuck can you share the review item(s) that got you banned? If you don't want to, that's fine too.
 
@TylerH It was a couple of months ago now when I just got access to SE. That one wasn't imports, just an insufficiently good general edit.
 
gotcha
 
3:32 PM
IIRC it was more that they'd taken the time to bold the headings, but had missed a bunch of things they could have done more usefully. Still, those sorts of bans, when you take notice, do make you improve your standards. Have reviewed 1000 edits since then without issue.
 
Yes, a suggested edit should at the very least make an effort to fix all the problems, certainly before it does things like adding superfluous changes such as boldface to headers (which personally I tend not to like and will revert or undo during an "improve edit" when I'm reviewing)
 
@TylerH I think you may have contradicting messages. You mentioned to not add import statements earlier, but now you're saying to fix it.
 
I must admit that I didn't like bold before that ban, but now remove it more often than not.
 
@Scratte Yes I think it was based on trying to understand what kind of import or reference you were talking about. I would say a nuanced view in general would be: you should not add the import lines if it looks like the error/question might be related to those import lines. However, if the error or question is clearly about something else, and OP is obviously using those imports, its OK to include them in an edit.
 
@TylerH Ok. Thanks :) What about suggested edits? Should they be approved if they only add a missing import (of the obvious kinds that's unrelated to the error)? This was the question that originally started the conversation :)
 
3:44 PM
@Scratte That probably depends on the question. It's hard to say without seeing an example. Typically suggested edits should be reserved for fixing real problems because they take up the time of the reviewers, and a lot of reviewers may disagree that having that import information is helpful/important. If they are only adding a missing import, I would probably choose "improve edit" if I can find some other thing to improve... otherwise I may approve it or may not, depending.
But always keep in mind that 'skip' is an option if you have any hesitation whatsoever
there is almost never a time when you'll simply be out of questions/edits to review on SO
 
@M-- Agreed, as per Hovercraft's advice. I believe I cannot re-edit it now, as it is locked.
 
@TylerH The question was really from @DavidBuck. I fully understand how Skip works, and I use it quite a lot. It just becomes an irritating factor when all one can do is Skip, because there's a split consensus over the matter. Especially when lots of the Skipped posts all belong to one category. (Apart from that I don't have access to that queue yet)
But I will refrain from flagging all sorts for things now just because I don't want my flag declined or because I don't want a ban. It's sort of a sad behavior in my own opinion.
 
@Scratte The Skip advice is for anyone, not just you :-) (really all of it is, of course)
 
@Scratte That's why I asked. When I see the same thing from the same user again and again, skip seems like I'm just letting someone else take responsibility for making a decision. I'm more than happy to skip on the vast number of posts where I'm not qualified to decide.
 
however, do note that split consensus in review queues don't get you banned. You get banned by failing audits or by manual review from moderators who see enough reviews that are so bad that they are worth manually banning you
 
3:53 PM
@DavidBuck Yup.. It's sad. It feel like the system is failing when one hides in the bushes over something that should have a consensus.
@TylerH Personally, I'm still upset about two (yes, only two) declined flags.. :D
 
@Scratte NAA and VLQ take a while to get the hang of. It still irks me to get something like a VLQ declined by a moderator for an answer that both fails to answer the question and is technically incorrect, but that's the system.
 
These days I tend to only flag stuff as NAA when it is link only or a clear comment/question posted as an answer
 
@DavidBuck I have no issues with my declined NAA flags. They were rightfully declined :) I never use VLQ. It's a messy flag
 
I rarely flag stuff as VLQ. Either it's also flaggable as spam or rude, or they get deleted by 20k users quickly enough that I don't see them that much
 
Actually link only answers aren't always NAA. It depends on the Question.
 
4:05 PM
I flag Link Only as VLQ, garbage as NAA but as far as I'm aware they all end up in the LQP queue either way
 
6 hours ago, by Samuel Liew
low quality means gibberish/nonsense and must be immediately deleted by a mod
You should flag link-only answers as NAA instead
 
Oh well.
 
@Scratte That's an exceedingly rare case. If the question is asking for the location of some official application or API or something, sure a link can be provided as an answer
 
Yup. The very low quality flag has alternatives. Both for Questions and for Answers :)
 
still, the answer should include some information beyond just the link
Think of Shog's explainer on MSE. If someone asks you for an apple, and you hand them an apple, that's an answer. If instead you hand them a postcard that has directions to an apple orchard, that's not an answer. It's a link to an answer.
 
4:08 PM
The LQP queue is usually 50% code-only answers that are sub-optimal, but not deletable - often wonder why the people flagging Requires Edit in Triage are banned but not the people repeated flagging code-only answers
 
@TylerH I absolutely agree. I would never answer such a Question with just a link.. but the trick for me is to understand what the community thinks is OK. And while I try to keep my own standard high, I probably fail to understand the line between low and too low quality.
 
@TylerH True. It's a memorable graphic
 
@TylerH I never understood the Orange. Because in my experience Oranges are attempted answers.. and I've gotten NAA's declined for Oranges. I downvote them now instead.
@DavidBuck That reminds me. What to do with code-only answers? So far, I'm skipping them. Unless I run them and find an error. Then I downvote and comment.
 
@Scratte Yes I agree; an orange is an answer. It's just a wrong answer
 
@TylerH Right :) I kept looking at that picture and was puzzled about that :)
 
4:13 PM
@Scratte Unless they very clearly answer the question I tend to leave them alone. Apart from the extremes (such as the answer where the code was in a .jpg attached as a comment to the answer that just say "Try this"
I can easily find 20 LQPs to vote to delete in a day...
 
@DavidBuck So in Late Answers you just pick "No action needed" on code only?
 
@Scratte Generally skip, unless they're Python (or Cobol...) and I can see that they clearly answer the question.
 
@DavidBuck Ahh.. ok. Well, if they're java, I actually run them first :D And then my efforts are useless because the time has passed and my click doesn't go on to count on my reviews :D
@DavidBuck When if they're Python or Cobol and you can see they don't clearly answer the Question?
 
Comment and downvote. There are no other options available.
 
@DavidBuck Right.. then I suppose at least there's a consensus there :)
 
4:22 PM
@Scratte Still annoying that you then lose a rep unless they delete it themselves, which doesn't happen that often.
 
@DavidBuck I just keep under 2K rep. Then I can regain them by suggesting an edit ;) I suppose I'll have to answer Questions once I've reached 1000 edits.
 
4:53 PM
@Scratte Only the first 500 edits score rep, and only if you're under 2000. Once you pass 2000 and they don't need approval, you're doing it all out of the goodness of your heart.
 
6:08 PM
@DavidBuck That's close but it's a little more complicated: you earn +2 rep for every approved suggested edit up to 1000 reputation earned from edits. While this does equal 500 edit suggestions, it's not just the first 500 edits made, but the first 500 edit suggestions that are approved. You can make some edit suggestions that get rejected of course, so by the time of your 500th approved suggestion, you have made a total of more than 500 edit suggestions.
Also, you can still earn rep from suggested edits after you hit 2,000 reputation, provided the edit suggestion was submitted before you earned 2,000 rep (and thus was an edit suggestion and not simply an edit).
 
@TylerH There's another "complication": If one makes a suggested edit on a post that's deleted. It will count as an approved edit, but will not give out the 2 reputation points.
@TylerH Unless I can't count. Which is entirely possible.
 
6:23 PM
@Scratte there are more complications than that, too, I just didn't go into them :-P
for example if a user that did an approval gets deleted, the edit gets unapproved and the suggester loses the rep
and post owners can override review queue results
 
@TylerH Within some amount of time, right?
 
6:53 PM
@Scratte Not sure if there's a time limit actually
 
@TylerH Ohh.. :( That doesn't make sense. I don't care about the rep, but the edit should still remain.
 
Why? If it now only has 1 approval instead of 2, it shouldn't remain approved
 
But this was an approved edit. It could have been sitting there for years with nice formatting and good text. Then the approver is deleted and vupti.. the edit is gone? Or does it enter into the suggested edits again? :D
 
I don't know. I only read the feature blurb rather than the post it linked to when I first read about it
it's on the MSE post I'm sure for 'how do suggested edits work"
 
Ahh.. I'll have to bookmark it for when I'm done with licenses :)
 
7:35 PM
What's the magic number for self-promotion-spam-line? 2 posts? 3 posts? .. 4?
 
ALL of the posts!
 
@Scratte Depends on the post. If it is just promotion with no attempt at anwering the question then it's 1. If it's 2 or 3 posts linking to off-site resource in short period of time it is probably too much. Otherwise it is up to your judgement to decide when they crossed the line between providing useful answers and spammy content.
But this is just my opinion, some people are more forgiving
 
@Scratte Are you thinking of this that has just appeared in 3 answers?
 
@DavidBuck Yup.. I guess my comment gave me away :D
 
Lucky guess
 
7:41 PM
The top tagline sort of seems to maybe be an answer, but then it appears on all of the three posts. The other answers have answers though, so I'm not sure if I should custom flag them or see if they will remove it on their own.
 
I still had 28 flags left so I threw 3 at it.
 
@Scratte PHP/Ajax is definitely not my cup of tea. I thought 'modal' was just model mistyped when I first came across it, but it appears to be 'a thing'
 
@Dharman 3 custom flags?
 
@DavidBuck lol
@Scratte spam flags.
 
@DavidBuck I can't even spell PHP :)
@Dharman Ohh.. well, it worked. They're gone :D
 
7:44 PM
yeah, but there are no modals in PHP. PHP is server-side language just like C# or python
@Scratte Yeah, mod deleted.
 
Yes, I noticed. There weren't enough flags to be community deleted.
 
seems legit
 
I skipped - but guessed there were some SQLers around. :)
 
Yup.. it's fine :) I usually do that by taking it out and formatting it "at home" :)
 
... SQueaLers?
 
7:54 PM
@AdrianMole Read through it all and I found no mistakes, so I approved it.
 
Cool - thanks.
I wasn't sure how much formatting is significant in SQL - like, e.g. in Python it's critical.
 
@AdrianMole it's not critical at all. Just unreadable
 
@AdrianMole No, SQL is not crazy like Python. In SQL the content matters, not the whitespace
 
Another school-day, then! :)
 
@AdrianMole It's also not case sensitive and lots of developers prefer keywords in caps, and everything else in lower case.
 
7:59 PM
The case-changes were what was worrying me, actually.
 
Understandable. Some languages are silly about case :D Like Java..
 
8:37 PM
How clearly is this NAA? I almost feel bad about hitting the button :(
 
1000% @Scratte
 
@Luuklag Thank you. I did end up hitting it. Though I was searching for a hint of an answer for a while.
 
@Scratte Long, but definitely NAA. A moderator has deleted it.
 
I hate long NAAs. They waste so much time
 
@Makyen :O That was fast.. maybe there's a moderator on my tail!
 
8:44 PM
@Dharman why close such an old question?
 
@Scratte Perhaps. It's also possible they saw it through a flag, or your message here.
 
@Luuklag There was a NAA. I am watching what my bot reports and if I think my flag gets declined because the question needs to be closed I ask here for CVs
@Scratte One of the mods came online who is so fast, I barely get to open the post and it is already deleted.
 
@Dharman Probably because they're not chatting..
So.. a picture of code is Questions are bad. But does it make an answer NAA? like here
..this is getting spoky. The moderator is ahead of me now :(
 
9:01 PM
@Scratte They're only 6 days ahead. You can catch up. :-)
@Scratte Ahhh... It was an audit.
 
dbc
The above could also be a duplicate of IOException: The process cannot access the file 'file path' because it is being used by another process which has a generic answer for this sort of situation.
 
@Makyen Well.. at least it answered my Question. I reckon is was an NAA then and not deleted by author?
 
hi, I gave a correct fully working answer to one question and got down voted for no reason. I don't mind zero points, but negative points for no reason is bad. How do I fix this ? stackoverflow.com/a/60855033/1521751
 
@Scratte Yes, there is a mod comment explaining that we can't accept images here.
@armani What is your answer? I only see some code. If you would like the solution to be useful you need to explain what you are suggesting.
 
What? My carefully crafted comment is gone? :(
 
9:10 PM
@Scratte As the reviewer, don't you get to see the deleted post when you click to the review?
 
@Makyen Not for audits.
 
@Scratte OK. I wasn't remembering that. Thanks.
 
@Dharman - The code does not need to be explained. Even the selected answer does not really explain the code. So, I don't know why I am being singled out.
 
@Makyen It just says: Review audit passed 11 mins ago.. blah.. :)
 
@armani I would even prefer an answer without code, but explaining what needs to be done to solve the problem. Code should only be added to support your explanation
 
9:11 PM
@Dharman - But, I'll add an explanation anyway. I'd be repeating the method calls in english.
 
I can't find stuff to delete
 
@armani I see your answer as complete. But.. it's using the same method as Julian's answer. That tends to get downvotes.
 
@Scratte - I understand that this is to avoid duplicates or even copying of answers. I guess people simply assume the worst and down vote.
anyway, I added an explanation to my answer. Its redundant because the chained method calls are designed to make code self explanatory. At least I have removed one excuse for downvoting my answer.
 
@armani People downvote for all sorts of reasons. One can only speculate. (You missed one backtick on your edit around getChocolateAmmountPerCakeHelperMethod)
 
9:23 PM
@Scratte - k. thanks for your reply. hoping that someone at least puts me back at zero votes.
 
@armani If you like to leave complete and runnable answers, I suggest you use methods that are not already used by any of the others answers. I take my time at answers, and when I'm ready to post, sometimes someone came up with the same idea. Then I just don't post it. Now I just never answer new Questions. But I also don't build reputation :D
@armani I also suggest you don't ask for votes. It may very well have the opposite effect.
 
@armani Just a suggestion. Putting "Looks like some people on stack overflow are crazy." in your comments will probably put people off giving you the upvotes that you'd like to see.
When flagged posts are deleted, has anyone else noticed that the red background is now incredibly faint? I have poor colour vision, and on my main monitor, I can't see that background at all unless I change it to have horrible contrast settings. I don't recall having this problem a week or two ago.
 
9:39 PM
@Dharman A significant percentage of these could use some delete-votes.
 
@DavidBuck Maybe look for the "This post is hidden..." on the top instead? I haven't noticed a change of colour on that at all.
 
@Scratte I can see it on the posts, but if I go into the flagged posts list, I cannot see which have been deleted and which haven't
 
@Makyen That's a gold mine. Thanks.
 
@DavidBuck It's the same colour. But it appears to be fainter in the flag list.
 
@DavidBuck Do you mean the change in the post (without reloading the page) where the opacity is set quite low and a banner is shown over the post saying that the post is deleted?
@Dharman np. There should be enough there to last a while. :-)
 
9:49 PM
@DavidBuck Left is the flag list. Right is the hidden post. i.stack.imgur.com/ZCW9F.png
 
@Scratte I would love to know if their opacity has been reduced as they seem fainter.
Problem in the flag list is that it's a small area so hard to see. It's the sort of thing that someone with normal colour vision might think looks too harsh, but doesn't realise that for color-impaired people, it has basically disappeared.
Or it might not be changed and I might be imagining the whole thing...
 
@DavidBuck It could also be that you're tired.. but it could use the brighter bar at the top like the hidden posts have.
 
No - it's recent as in days, not just this evening
 
10:04 PM
@DavidBuck There will have been a change at some point. I haven't found when the change happened, but the HTML/CSS for that has, at some point, been changed to SE's funky CSS as style HTML/CSS usage. That change includes having the background-color mapped to one of their color variables. In this instance, they use a CSS class bg-red-050, which is defined as .bg-red-050, .h\:bg-red-050:hover, .f\:bg-red-050:focus { background-color: var(--red-050) !important; }, with --red-050: #fdf3f4.
 
@Makyen Thanks. It's because of all of the recent changes that I assume it's actually a change and not just my eyes suddenly getting worse. I guess I should ask on Meta
 
@DavidBuck Overall, my suggestion is to have your own userscript and/or CSS which you apply to SE pages to make it look the way you want. You can, and should, create a Meta about this specific issue, as it's definitely an accessibility issue, but I've really grown tired of how many times it's been necessary for this type of issue to be brought to their attention. Taking such issues into account should be a normal part of the design process, but SE has just not done so, repeatedly.
 
10:41 PM
@Makyen Should this be on SE Meta, not SO? I've no flagged posts on any other site so I don't know if it's specific to SO, but most accessibility posts seem to be on SE Meta.
 
@DavidBuck Bugs/issues that are general to SE are permitted to be on any Meta. Overall, more people will probably see it/vote on it if it's on MSO. However, it may get more attention from SE if it's on MSE, rather than MSO. There have definitely been times where an issue has been reported on MSO, which got no attention from SE until an effectively identical report was made on MSE.
 

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