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user10957435
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@CodyGray Not that I disagree, but what about it makes it an anti-pattern? What should be the pattern instead?
01:24
@Chipster That question kind of answers itself. The anti-pattern is having endless meetings to discuss to death things that are of no concern to people who have nothing to do with those things. "Anti" means opposite, so in this case, the correct pattern is not doing that. In other words, having short meetings, and only involving the people who are actually involved.
01:36
@Makyen I skimmed your reply to me earlier in Charcoal HQ about this earlier, but I still wasn't fully clear on how this works. This SD report once again seems to be solely motivated by a pattern-match for docs.microsoft.com, and I really don't understand why that's a pattern that SD is looking for.
You said that "#whitelisted" isn't being taken into account, which...I don't really understand.
(I meant to reply to you in Charcoal HQ about this when I went through my inbox notifications, but... that number is up to 200+ and counting, so I don't know when I'm going to sit down and do that. Man, I hate notifications. What I hate even more is that when I try and look at them, they all get cleared.)
@CodyGray np with replying in here. The #whitelisted tag was recently introduced on metasmoke. It's been basically implemented in SmokeDetector, but it's not a general check on all detected URLs. So far, it's only applied on a limited number of detections. The detection "Pattern-matching website in answer" is not one on which it is implemented, yet.
@Makyen Okay, so it's like a future feature. To be implemented. I've got a huge list of such things myself on my wall at work. What I don't understand is why SD is catching that URL pattern in the first place. Wouldn't it make more sense just to remove the pattern from the match candidate list? Why would a link to official documentation ever be something that we'd want to catch?
02:01
@CodyGray The portion of the overall regex which is catching these, isn't catching the domain. It's catching the URL path. That portion of the regex doesn't even look at the URL's domain, just the path.
Overall, that portion of the regex has 1820 detections, of which 1521 are true positives, 265 are false positives, and 30 are NAA, or 83.6% TP, which is actually quite good.
For answers, that percentage is 89.6% TP. On questions, it's 76.6%. So, overall the regex does a good job of identifying spam. The problem with it is that it does identify some URLs that humans are able to see are cleary not spam. A large part of that will go away once the domain exclusions (i.e. #whitelisted) have been implemented for it.
I'm still a little bit confused. What distinction are you drawing between "domain" and "path"?
I don't speak regex particularly well, but it looks to me like it's just matching "microsoft" in the domain name. Is that correct?
02:19
@CodyGray For domain and path, probably an example is easiest. Example: https://the-domain.com/this/is/the/URL/path. So, in that example, the domain is the-domain.com, while the path is /this/is/the/URL/path.
@CodyGray No. It cares nothing about the domain, just the path. It looks like it cares about "microsoft", because there's an optional group in there, (yahoo|gmail|hotmail|outlook|office|microsoft)?, which isn't matched in these cases. [Frankly, I'm not seeing the use of having that optional group in there, as it's fully redundant to the existing \S*?; it doesn't extend or limit the regex.]
The regex that's matching is equivalent to this one. Basically, all that regex cares about is that within a URL one of the words (account|tech|customer|support|service|phone|help) is followed by one of words (service|care|help|recovery|support|phone|number) with no more than 10 characters between the two detected words.
Oh, I see.
Wow, that...is not at all what I would have ever guessed.
@CodyGray Yeah, unfortunately, that regex is significantly more complex than it needs to be, in a way that's quite confusing and misleading as to what it's really doing. The regex can be simplified a bit more to this. What it's really looking for is here. The rest of the regex just makes sure the detection is inside a URL.
I'm curious what percentage of the correct matches are actually from "support" in a URL. That doesn't strike me as being an obvious red-flag. But maybe it is in practice.
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^There was an error.... One moment.
@CodyGray Overall, requiring "support" be one of the words results in 1055 detections, 979 TP, 65 FP, and 12 NAA, or 92.8% TP.
afk
02:54
Sorry about having to disappear for a bit. There was a real-life issue that needed to be handled.
03:05
cc @CodyGray ^
Good evening
 
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user10957435
04:20
@CodyGray That makes sense, I guess.
04:36
@Chipster Perhaps context helps. I'm complaining because I spent almost 3 hours in a meeting today going over all of the projects that the company is involved with. It's a small company, but the projects are numerous (about 5x the number of engineers). Even just giving an "overview" of the status of each project takes far too long and is not productive. Worse, this is fun that repeats itself each week.
Also, while I have you here... "Most questions on meta deserve to be open anyway" is definitely [citation-needed].
When you have a discussion platform that has been around for 8+ years, you inevitably end up with a lot of repeats. The same topics are perennially popular.
 
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05:54
^could be a dup of this one stackoverflow.com/q/37462112/5468463
 
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Couldn't fit them all in one hearse, @rene?
Heh :D
That is what you get if you let only scripts do the work ...
And have an under-caffeinated RO
07:46
@VadimKotov Please limit yourself to a spam flag. It is not necessary to close spam questions.
08:02
@CodyGray Ok, I see
@CodyGray Sometimes it is not 100% clear that this is spam (if the question is not in English)
@VadimKotov Not in my experience. I rarely have any trouble telling what is or isn't spam, regardless of what language it is in. This one is an especially clear-cut case. It's referencing a popular movie, links to a site named "tubeplus", and the formatting is highly suspicious. With a few more seconds of investigation, I spot several homonyms with English words, including "Synopse" == "Synopsis", and then there are the English keywords like "1080p" and actor names.
Anyway, it might not matter if everyone had unlimited close votes, but there's no point in wasting close votes on spam questions. Besides, spam flags are generally a faster way of dispatching these posts than posting cv-pls requests in here.
for what it's worth this particular operation has been making the rounds over the last couple of days, there is a significant number of new pirated video streaming domains, all spammed with a loud wall of text like that, some in languages other than English
 
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@NileshRathod established user, 9gag is a well known site; I'd say no. Also: bit of an abuse of formatting and amount of questions marks in that comment IMO
@Adriaan thank you for the information.
10:47
Hi, I have a quick question have you ever encounter an user using triple backtick to escape code related thing in sentence? I have never found one before and now an asker and answerer are both using it. Do we report such thing? As writing style really cole maight be the same person?
@xdtTransform report: no. Have I see it: yes. If it results in weird formattin gissues: just edit it out
@xdtTransform I second it ^. I have seen that formatting pattern. If the answerer is a new user, they could have just copied from OP's style?
 
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@HovercraftFullOfEels I call upon you once more for this. Reopener did not want to engage I guess. I think this answers the question, even though it doesn't address WeakReference.
@SotiriosDelimanolis I took a look and agree that that was incorrectly reopened. I don't have a gold badge but you have at least one CV on it now.
@TylerH I appreciate it <3
15:25
did tag styles just change? They lost their border on main
@TylerH What drop shadows??
sorry, brain fart. borders, not drop shadows
I think so. Also, the rep. green tags are lighter in color
I see no difference...
compare the tags here on chat and the tags on main. the ones on main appear flat; I feel like earlier this morning (and beyond) they were not as flat... I could be misremembering but it seemed like a sudden change.
15:39
@TylerH they definitely look flatter on main than here
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Aha, that gives the change away comparing side by side: they lightened the text color
It used to be #33658a an dis now #4e80a4
How dare they
^Also the green rep tag color!! ;) since this morning
What green rep tag?
15:45
yeah, which? the text color is white on those IIRC
The reputation gain tag?
the temporary one that pops up in the top bar?
On the trophy icon? Sorry I am missing descriptive words
Yeah that
Sorry, I can't see that unless someone upvotes one of my posts...
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Then maybe we should check to see if the downvote color changed, too
15:47
Yes, I would like to see it as well.
I think it became more orange, in all seriousness
16:01
@TylerH Tags on main also used to have a darker border-right and border-bottom, which gave them more of a 3D feel, but that disappeared in mid-January 2015.
16:12
@Makyen I knew I wasn't 100% crazy :-)
17:19
Hello, is the following question off-topic as written in a comment? I don't see any close vote on it: Can I start an HP RX2800 on a USB key for OS install (HP-UX)
@CÅ“ur Well it's not about programming, it's about General Computing
It attracted an answer recently, so please do cv-pls it
@Kyll OK
Plop everyone
plop Kyll
(Do cv-pls even if it's closed for our upkeep please)
Putting it:
17:25
plot ? PleaseExplainIDontUnderstand
@RiggsFolly You mean plop?
@Kyll Yup well spotted,
So, what on earth does plop mean ?
@RiggsFolly plop is spearrel hello
(Or an Eldritch summoning hex. Whichever fits your narratives the best!)
Speaking of Eldritch summoning, I got this for my buddy for Christmas.
17:32
Ok, thanks. I am no more knowledgable, but at least now I know I dont actually care :)
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@RiggsFolly This should be my life motto
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica A Halloween T-shirt for a Christmas present.
He wont mind. Stuff like that is everyday wear for him.
He probably has a Giant Meteor 2020 bumper sticker to boot
And a "My dinosaur ate your stick figure family" sticker
17:37
He doesn't. Maybe he needs more presents ;)
@Das_Geek That's so passe. He probably has this
@Machavity Well the Empire didn't do anything wrong, after all. Just supporting galactic order
"thanks dude you really saved me, i was looking for that for about an hour.."

I miss the times I looked for things for hours, instead of days.
grarg this formatting
@Kyll hey Kyll
long time no see, how you doing?
17:53
Plop Andy! Quite a while indeed
Doing very well, still got quite a lot of work. Nothing coffee can't provide energy for so far =D
@Kyll look! I have almost 4k now
lol
@Kyll that's cool
Congrats! Hurray for this question score boost heh
How are you doing, yourself? Quite the drama around the country these days
yeah... not sure if I earned it though... the old timer are almost saying I lucked out... but well I was close to 3K already so ...
Congrats on the new priviledges
Anyone ever heard of / has an opinion on SQRL?
@Kyll not too bad, mate. Actually because of the strike, I have holidays. I was supposed to start on a new mission but the strikes are blocking everything. I had to leave my car at République this afternoon as the police is blocking the whole place. For me, I'm now a full time python dev \o/
I made the transition last year
17:57
@Kyll Lol that video thumbnail
@Das_Geek yeh I just saw it after linking to it. I mostly read the PDFs. Guess you can make good software and also have questionnable taste in... many other things.
@AndyK Hey that's great =D What kind of systems do you work on?
@Kyll python 3.6, django, flask and aws
What's the product?
@Kyll well ... you know start up is the craze all over France... so they are building apps that ... are poorly designed... my job is to help them to save the project...
Hahaha
Hopefully I'll never have to hire you then
18:02
@Kyll my last day was 3 weeks ago on that da## project...
I lost hairs and I blanched out ...
@AndyK On what project now?
@Kyll it has not started yet
it was supposed to be that week but because iof the strike, I'm at home
Nah I meant, on what project did you lose hairs?
@Kyll the last one and the second to last one
(What's da##)
18:04
replace ## by mn
Aaaah
Sorry lol
the second to last was a platform that was supposed to link experts on real estate with customers who need advices. It was dubbed internally Cash Tinder or wealthy dudes who want to be more wealthy
but the project was poorly managed
no more budgets 3 months after I arrived
They hired external help at the end of the project only?
@Kyll kind of ... they fired the dev to replace him with me and the previous devs before the fired guy, all left...
... "poorly managed" is a vast understatement then
18:09
There are multiple TDWTF articles in that story ...
^ tru dat, send it
and the last one was an app that was the brain child of a french exec... issue is no one wanted to pay for his lousy project...
all the dev team left
and I left too
Now it's a bit sad
The French are on strike again? That makes like... 5 weeks worked in 2019?
@Machavity Well it depends on what you count as a strike I guess
18:12
@Kyll that's ok. I was so tired a few weeks ago that my kinesiherapist said that if I stayed longer, I would have been physically blocked for at least a few weeks or more ...
If you count the weeks there hasn't been some kind of protest, there's probably less than 20 in the whole year now
@AndyK Get a better chair? =p
@Kyll lmaooooo
In the US, a strike means nobody works... or else. In France that seems to mean that eating less bread and cheese with their wine. And burning a car or two for good measure
Strikes tend to be segmented. Maybe it's students, maybe it's railroad workers, etc
@Machavity nobody works here. I'm stuck at home
18:14
Last time everyone went on strike together was 51 years ago, and it was a mess
@Machavity and honestly, the situation is dire. Maybe less dire than in the US, but it is dire. i've never seen so many homeless people than in the recent years
@Kyll Wasn't it in 1995?
@Vega it was
Oooh yes I think so
@Kyll I see now why you carry a spear
18:16
Hahaha, it was indeed a mess
a lot of friends who have seen the Joker said that it just need one tiny thing for events to flare up
@Vega it was ... I was still a student at that time
Oh, an other French :)
@Vega guilty
In other news, the UK would like to remind you that rioters may be impaled by esoteric objects
a narshwal tusk... only in England...
been through the strikes, walking back home by foot, damn! I need a glass of wine ;)
@Kyll and @Machavity, hat off, gents. @Vega, Madame (hat off). see you!
18:24
Take care
@Vega We're all undercover, shh
Seeya Andy!
@AndyK o/
@Kyll Are we?
18:43
@Vega Nobody has identified rene from his photo yet...
@Vega They are after us
19:21
^ Full disclosure on my last request: after back and forth trying to get OP to explain actual problem. I am stepping back to avoid accusations or targeting
19:32
@Nkosi Are you wanting us to bin the request?
@TylerH you can bin it.
@TylerH binned per @Nkosi's request
20:10
Thanks.
yep :)
(all the same duplicate. I think that's all of them.)
21:04
@TylerH Related to your earlier inquiry about tags: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/340205/…
21:44
@Ruzihm Unfortunately you can't request that. You have a stake in the question.
@AndyK What should be the reason for this closure?
@AndyK Please include a reason in each request. The basic format is [tag:cv-pls] close reason https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345. What should be included in request reason is discussed in What Should Request Reasons Contain?.
@Dharman it should be for Super User. Is it code related...? I doubt
@AndyK It is literally about IDE, so in my opinion it is code/programming related. I am not convinced it should be on super user. However, when posting request here it is good to let us know what reason you think it should be.
21:54
@Dharman let's say we have different opinions but I understand your point of view.
@AndyK I'd argue this one falls under software tools commonly used by programmers. OTOH, it could be "no MCVE", as it doesn't really provide enough information to duplicate the problem.
@Makyen true but well I guess my point was initially it was tool related rather than programming issue. But I understand Dharman's view
so that suddenly make the whole thing a bit contradictory
time to zzz
see ya
I'm dozing off to, but I have so many unused delete/close votes it would be a waste
user10957435
@Dharman I'll take them if you have extra ;) (kidding. I actually don't always use all my close votes anyway. I also can't delete anything yet, so...)
user10957435
22:11
@Dharman Technically revealed association with linked site. Very low quality, but I agree probably not spam strictly speaking.
M--
M--
22:22
@pkamb are you out of CVs?
22:38
Are we allowed to make edits such as this? Should I roll it back? Mod-flag it? stackoverflow.com/posts/48584789/revisions
@Dharman I don't like that edit, it basically just copies info from the top answer and reformats it. I've rolled it back and put a delete vote on it.
On one hand it saved the post from low-quality, but on the other it just copied the accepted answer.
Yeah, we don't need a bad copy of an existing answer.
Thanks, now I can go to sleep.
nighty night
night o/
23:12
Strange. I just earned 14 Announcer badges.
@Makyen Same. Was just looking in here to see if anyone else reported that.
I wonder if the script that awards these was backlogged for some reason, and it's just finally getting around to running? It's curious because most of the answers I was awarded the badge to are my own, but one or two are not and...I can't remember ever having shared links to those.
OK. If it's not just me, then, that's a bug, or the resolution of a bug. :-)
Ahhh. Good. Thanks for the link and the confirmation it wasn't just me. :-)
Glad to be of service.
Even though I didn't do much. That's the kind of service I offer.
23:20
:-)
Proxy service? Find-anything-on-meta service?
The latter seems to be a legitimate talent
I definitely have that talent. Not sure it's "legitimate".
So it's an illegal talent?
Nah, this is English. Words have plenty of definitions to choose from: "illogical" is a candidate, as is "not authorized by good usage; spurious".
Or just "illegitimate" :P
Ah, sorry to ping. Force of habit to hit the reply button
23:34
@M-- ? I don't think so, why?
23:48
Oh, I see. I did not actually have dupe-votes in for the questions I posted above. I did in the past, and my Possible Duplicate comment was still there, so I thought those still counted. Re-flagged as dupes.
@Das_Geek No worries. I don't mind too much, just don't expect a ping to lead to a response. My inbox gets far too many items per day, and I have far too little discipline to go through and read them all, so they just tend to build up until such time as I inadvertently click the inbox icon, which clears everything.
I tend to not even bother to ping people. I just reply. It takes conscious effort for me to click that "reply" button.

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