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Morning
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13:56
wonders how many times we can do this
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wow... that's a lot of moving - are you all bored or something? :p
@JonClements Ran out of things to close. It's just so easy now
@rene your comment reminded me of: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/364186/… - do you remember that one? :p
@Machavity While I do think the experiment has been a smashing success, I think we should probably set the permanent change to 4 CVs
I think that's a happy medium between preventing a permanent rise in false positive closures and still making it significantly easier to close questions
@TylerH I rather liked Pearly's idea of 4, with gold badges counting as two
14:09
ooh
well, I'm not sure I want gold badges to count for 2 in every close vote reason
@JonClements voting to undelete ... who imagined that would become handy today ....
I hope that's your flowery sense of humour :)
14:25
SOCVR closure brought up in meta
@JonClements it is the only humor I have
That's why we all luv ya I guess :)
@JonClements whoa, not so fast there. Speak for yourself :P
@StephenKennedy Thanks.
@Adriaan :)
Thanks for posting an answer @rene. Now I don't need to convert my comment into an answer. :-)
@Adriaan kicks the elephant in the room, hurts petals
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Inform PETA that flowers are dangerous to elephants
@Makyen yeah, I'm in a generous mood and it has been a while since I incurred some serial votes, so it is worth the risk ;)
14:43
:-)
But now the big question: do we close it again?
we close *
kicks elephant again
@StephenKennedy already saw it. The answer of @rene was exactly the reasoning for suggesting the close. While bash is a programming language, the question itself is nothing more than a misconfiguration of some basic configuration files. This has nothing to do with programming.
@rene don't kick the baby elephant
14:47
@Adriaan There should not be any organized voting on the question. There definitely shouldn't be another request here. While everyone is free to vote as they see fit, once it's on Meta, we let it be handled by Meta.
@kvantour please be informed I know close to nothing about bash and all that Linux stuff. Feel free to make an edit if I put anything there that is wrong or needs better jargon to hide that I'm a simple Windows user ....
The first rule of Meta club is we don't talk about the torches and pitch forks
@NathanOliver Does this Q look on-topic?
@rene there is nothing more to add to your answer. You nailed it.
adds experienced Linux sysadmin to résumé
Ooh, Firefox 69 will support breakpoints on event listeners, nice
15:03
@Machavity I'm inclined to allow it. It is about distributing a binary that has dependencies.
15:39
@NathanOliver I'm not sure why that one got edited. The original looks spammy, especially in light of this post
hmm. All of that users answers have links to products. Not sure if they just don't know any better or if it is spam.
I went though all of them and those two are the flag-worthy ones. They had a OSR Q that was just deleted by 20k. The others are either benign or relevant
16:18
@rene Did two people just respectfully disagree on Meta and not burn the place to the ground? This is unacceptable!
what?! I hope you took a screenshot for posterity
well, I was looking for the RO impeachment procedure, if that is reassuring to you ;)
Just to see if I didn't breach any rules ...
@rene I think it involves a revolver and one bullet or something like that...
that got dark quickly
I do enjoy dark mode in my IDEs...
16:24
They are nice
@TylerH did I write that part?
Zoe
Zoe
Dark mode? Come join the light, Tyler!
rene, in the garden, with the hatchet
Is a mod that enables dark mode a dark mod?
asking the real questions here
16:25
someone has to
17:11
@Makyen no more bash-ing of @TylerH please ...
@LynnCrumbling This post is spam and should be deleted as such. The user has a long history of spam posts
As you can see, I edited out the content as an attempt to salvage part of the answer. Can't disagree on the other two answers.
17:49
@AnttiHaapala congratulations for this 140+ vote answer stackoverflow.com/a/57651888/6451573 of yours (which was also flagged as NAA what the hell...). Do you want to make it community wiki ? :)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre posted yesterday o.0
delete all the thingz
it's incredible for a C question! The number of downvotes is also incredible. And comments too. Looked like a meta post.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Not enough pitchforks for a Meta post
pitchforks ?
the question is in HNQ it seems, but I don't see it.
18:02
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Torches and pitchforks. You know what I mean?
@Jean-FrançoisFabre thanks :D no, I don't want to make it a community wiki... I do not want them to edit it!
Okay, let’s admit the code is very bad. How you explain the appearance of strscpy() in the Linux kernel? elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/lib/string.c#L1790andriy 15 mins ago
@Jean-FrançoisFabre funny thing, now they are arguing the case for me.
 
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@Jean-FrançoisFabre now the question is closed
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Oh yeah, that reminds me I need to try turning HNQ back on
20:25
Op originally asked if it is required to write C code like that and I said they better not, and explained why, now it is some metameta POB nonsense
Oh well
@Machavity I see now :)
@AnttiHaapala get the rep and run 😀 And I finally had the time to carefully read the question & answers and this is a high-quality and completely on-topic thread. If someone closes it again, just flag!
now reopened by 3 other people 😀 this 3-close/reopen thingy is going to create more wars.
@Zoe sorry, deleted your post by mistake. Cannot undelete it...
20:51
I wouldn't mind Peter Cordes' answer being accepted over mine...
I have to admit I do like his better. They are both great, I just like his a little more
Zoe
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre where did I put my pitchfork... :p
Don't worry about it, it wasn't exactly a super valuable message
sigh, someone is measuring code complexity, BigO, by lines of code
Yes, is that wrong?
:facepalm:
20:57
loc is what my boss understands ...
@AnttiHaapala I should reply: they should have coded that directly in assembly as it's compiler dependent & architecture dependent, it would have been even faster. No need to feed code to the compiler just to make the compiler generate the asm code we know it should generate...
Anyway I'm jealous :)
Why code assembly when the compiler can do it for you?
because you're trying to twist compiler's arm into making it generate the exact asm code you want.
Peter Cordes answer is awesome too.
It's payback for all of the TMP error messages ;)
okay I'm a 68000 freak and everytime I try to do something in C on my amiga it crawls. So I have to use asm everytime. But now limited register numbers, lack of calling conventions, wrong sizes in operations, wrong addressing modes, unpreserved/corrupt registers, writing fully relocatable code by hand, undebuggable code are sucking the lifeforce out of me
21:05
@Jean-FrançoisFabre What C compiler are you using?
@LynnCrumbling C u later (I'm off for today; enjoy the pun)
I used historical ones but now they created a 68k cross compiler version of gcc 6. Not bad. Still creates big executables and all.
Also when using a legacy computer & relatively new compilers you think you're going to be able to successfully port Linux/Windows programs, using SDL and all, but those are bloated for old machines.
So back to asm & specific retro programming. No miracles.
Accelerator card? :)
(no idea if such a thing even exists for that platform...)
21:09
@LynnCrumbling 😀 68060/50MHz. Still slow. Compares to Pentium I 90MHz
What's the native 68k speed?
Specially because those geniuses implemented 256 color video modes with bitplanes so we have to convert chunky pixels to bitplanes: that eats most of the CPU.
68000 is 7MHz like the Atari ST
Ah. Ok. You'd almost need a dedicated GPU to resolve that :-/
If only they included chunky video mode... Historically the machine (A500) only had 32 colors (5 bitplanes). But WTF 256 colors without 1-byte-per-pixel (A1200) is just a crime. Say goodbye to fast 3D graphics too.
There is a dedicated GPU which blits bitplanes. But if you don't use it (ex: in most ports like DOOM, MAME, SDL-based ...), you're back to writing bits to each bitplane with the CPU... sob. there's a contest on which is the fastest "chunky2planar" asm routine. Reminds me of the strlen question... :)
HA
If only you could write code that injects dynamically to replace the CPU work with the GPU.
🤔
It would need to be custom coded for each game...
21:20
actually, if you write the game for the machine specifically, that's what you do and it's fast/smooth. But when you directly port SDL stuff, it crawls. An emulator renders pixel-by-pixel, it's not aware of objects as a whole. Yes there are specific emulators that intercept emulated console GPU writes to convert them to the host GPU writes but not on MAME. I think the Nintendo DS versions of SNES & Sega Genesis emulators do this, as both are super fast. But Nintendo DS also has chunky gfx.

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