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00:03
@KenWhite That's closed now - heads up in case you want to go straight to deletion
@StephenKennedy Thanks. Just cast the first vote.
00:46
Hey guys, I came across this question, which is basically off-topic, but has answers that seem to have been useful to people. Is it correct to vote to close it, or should something else be done with it? I sometimes see questions like this that are protected? or something like that.
01:05
yes, close it
OK, thanks.
Do we have any means other than -1 and a comment to deal with very poor quality answers? The one response to my cv-pls above is just plain wrong
@tink can explicitly ask/suggest the person who posted the answer to delete it
right - thanks @sideshowbarker - let's see if he understands what I told him and takes the sensible consequence ;)
02:40
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Q: Should [mixed] tag be removed?

BubblerI ran across the mixed tag yesterday by this question. I thought "it sounds like it's pretty much mixed up" (pun intended) and looked through questions tagged mixed. It has 200 questions, but no tag wiki, and the question topics seem to vary wildly (based on the 1st page of search results): Man...

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@tink if it doesn't even attempt to answer the question, you can flag it as a non-answer. But only do that if you are really sure it's not an answer (and doesn't make even a minor attempt). You can get penalized for flagging answers as not an answer if they're deemed as legitimate attempts to answer the question.
@Chipster he's actually trying to be helpful, but he's ill informed :)
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@tink then flagging may not be the best here. Otherwise, that's all I know you can do. In this case, I decided to dv too, because you're right: it's not a great answer to the question. It is an attempt, though...
Ta @Chipster
@tink He deleted it, just as I was writing a comment addressing why his answer doesn't answer the question asked...argghhh!
02:49
heh - don't you hate it when that happens!
03:13
@tink If an answer is at a score of < 0, then users with >20k rep can vote to delete the answer. For particularly egregious answers, you can post a del-pls in here. However, doing so should be rare.
Thanks for the follow-up @Makyen ...
 
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06:29
@JohnDvorak might have visited the Nigerian prince ...
New contributor on Meta is asking: "How difficult is it to change an error message or other behavior of Stack Overflow to make it more appropriate?". If he only knew... meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/387036/…
07:00
@Cœur it is easy but takes 6 to 8 weeks?
@rene took two years for that one: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/321895/…
07:41
@TylerH Meeh it kind of answers... not with code but with how to do it... but true I never manage to comply to the "We hate fun" rule :)
08:14
:/ Question deleted just as I was about to post an answer
08:40
^ looks properly disclosed to me
o/
Hmmm, hyper-v says assigned memory is 6144MB while demand is 12226MB... that's not good
@NickA hoping you have a disk that can handle the paging in and out of memory blocks ...
08:54
I'm not the server admin... I'm just gunna forget I saw it
09:57
New dubious tag: about this graphing application. Seems on-topic, but the name is bound to lead to confusion with website visits/other off-topic stuff. Does anyone know it/have suggestions for an alternate name?
@ErikA The only question in it has no code. :s
@E_net4isoutofcommentflags And is also likely blocked in China, given the person asking the question :)
@ErikA Perhaps should have a source-prefix? e.g. ?
Sounds good to me, I'll leave a descriptive edit summary to explain and make clear I'm open to input
@Adriaan Hup, Holland, Hup!
@rene Brabant jonguh!
10:11
@Adriaan Maaskantje?
> The village's signs were stolen by New Kids fans and the municipality decided not to replace them.
lol
@MichaelDodd Hmm... The user there has written a proper excerpt, doesn't seem right for me to retag and copy-paste or undo that work :(
@ErikA "VisIt is a high performance scientific visualization program developed by the LLNL" - Was that you or Ciro that wrote that?
Ciro, not me
In which case, my counter argument to that is the tag. Nobody ever reads the descriptions.
@MichaelDodd what are these descriptions you all talk about ...
10:21
Yup, excerpts and tag wikis are not read by those who'd benefit from it, but undoing the work is still a d*** move
@ErikA I've left a comment either way, if he chooses to migrate it manually
Yup, saw, I'll keep an eye out, perhaps it'll just be fine
@MichaelDodd I am not sure but it looks like a spam. The link in the body. Should it be flagged as such?
@AmitJoshi Benefit of doubt, it's not blatent and user has long Q/A history and no previous on Metasmoke as far as I'm aware.
@ErikA He's created another tag,
10:36
Oh, excellent, just created a new question list to track possibly bad tags but guess this is solved then! Thanks for taking the initiative to comment btw
I'll edit the SD above to remove the linky ^
Cross site spammer and you edit :D
@Shree Four posts over several years is not much of a problem
Report manually on charcoal by MOD :)
@Shree I don't know what you mean (is that a suggestion I should do something, or a statement that a mod did something?).
10:49
Go ahead if you wish - they appear to have good-faith and well-received messages on other sites, so I don't think it rises to that level.
@halfer Those are reports of spam that spans across at least 3 separate SE sites and 2+ accounts. The content also appears to be plagiarized.
11:17
... I don't think posting an ad about yourself on Stack Overflow counts as discreet...
11:55
^ Is that trigger bingo for Smokey?
The "+2 more" is a nice touch
@Zoe Nothing like giving Meta effect a shot of adrenaline ;)
Zoe
Zoe
@Machavity Ikr ;)
@Zoe Thanks, I'll read it now.
13:58
Well, the only "issue" I see is the bumping effect, and many people have been asking Stack Exchange for solutions (like an option to not bump, or to filter minor edits). As those feature requests are many years old, there is no alternative to improve the data. And if the staff (Shog9) wanted to stop it, they would put restrictions (autolock after X years, max X edits a day, etc.)
I've recently edited thousands of 10 years old tags wiki, and nobody complained :D
Zoe
Zoe
@Cœur tag wikis don't result in bumping
So no one really notices
@Zoe that's what I want to highlight: it's really just because of this bumping feature that it had became "evil" to improve CC-By-SA posts.
Zoe
Zoe
Yeah.
^answer copy pasta from linked doc
^ time to remove that user from the blacklist? Several legit answers in a row now
@MichaelDodd yes but I think feedback has already removed them chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/46728313#46728313
14:58
Everytime I check "Featured on Meta", I read "Unicorn Meta Zoe"
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@Cœur Funny you should say that as I was just chuckling over your comment we should all wear a "We less than three people who code" yellow T-shirt
15:47
is this question too broad and/or a potentially recommendation-based question (recommendation because it could lead to tool-based answers)?
@treyBake seems fine to me. Tooling is on topic and valid answers can be foo the bar or install the ACME plugin which is fine.
@rene ok, thank you :) was my first Q I came across in this format, was confusing
16:22
@StephenKennedy I've also made far worse jokes in a distant past.
@Cœur groan
on a related note, the OG Pokémon series is on Netflix currently (US)
 
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17:46
@EJoshuaS That's still a terrible question without some editing by the OP.
@Chipster Yeah, I cv-pls it as "gimme teh codez." it isn't trolling or spam though.
user10957435
@EJoshuaS Oh. Smoke detector is only supposed to find spam? Got you.
Spam, trolling, vandalism, stuff like that. For other quality problems, we can post separate requests.
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@EJoshuaS Got you. I'm still new to the room. I read the FAQ once or twice, but must have missed the Smoke Detector explanation.
@Chipster If you're interested, here is the Wiki on Smokey charcoal-se.org/smokey
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18:00
@TylerH Thanks.
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I may do that.
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18:20
I need advice. is this "Not an answer": stackoverflow.com/a/56974113/10957435. I mean it sort of does attempt to answer, sort of doesn't. Is my comment and maybe a downvote the best I can do?
@Chipster Probably. It's highly unlikely to be deleted as NAA
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@Machavity Okay. Thanks.
18:37
@Lankymart OS scripting automation is considered programming, not general computing.
And getting the script to work with program architecture where it used to work before some change is a valid programming question; the crux of the question is how to get the script to work again, not to find out what changed in the program's architecture.
Powershell is one of those odd grey areas. As long as you're not trying to figure out why the OS isn't behaving, they're generally on-topic.
Powershell has its representation on CGCC, it should be allowed here
19:02
Powershell, and terminal based shells in general, are, as @Machavity mentioned, a grey area. Often it's a judgement call. IMO, most things that are being used as single commands or a set of commands not logically related (e.g. order doesn't matter) (with some exceptions for programming-based single commands) are general computing (grey area, use judgement). Things that are implementing logic, or a sequence of interrelated commands, are programming.
This question, IMO, is definitely programming. It's asking how to perform a logic based operation (continue IIF the started Firefox instance is closed).
19:20
@JohnDvorak yeah, I even have one answer there in Powershell
@TylerH difference is the OP said the script hasn’t changed, that to me makes it not a programming question.
@Lankymart So, every program that breaks/develops bugs due to something external to the program changing isn't a programming problem?
I think you might be taking a view that's a bit too limited.
@JohnDvorak CGCC?
19:37
ah, the title has "& Coding Challenges" in it. I figured CG stood for Code Golf but I blacklist that website hardcore so I didn't know for sure due to the following CC
@Makyen It’s a script that would still work if fundamentals in what the executing process does hasn’t change. That means is probably not fit for purpose and the script needs to be re-developed, so it’s “too broad” then.
19:56
Am I the only one seeing an animation here: stackoverflow.com/users/11766809/ahmed-khalf ?
@rene No, I see it
the classic penguin trip gif
or in this case, the slap
both fake gifs were super popular back in the aughts
I raised a mod flag
are animated avatars disallowed? (i'm not complaining, just never thought about it)
20:03
muu
in this case - rightly or wrongly - I've reset the image
have a scooby snack
20:27
@Lankymart If they were asking how to do some whole script, then I might agree that it's too broad. However, the question only asks how to do one, very specific thing: "Waiting for an application [Firefox] to close before continuing script". It's a small part of potentially a larger script and should be re-usable across multiple situations. IMO, that describes something we actually want to have on SO.
@rene I think you mean you answered a Flowershell question
:D
21:17
I found this Q-A very strange... Could they use SO as company discussion medium? Or maybe trolling?
@Vega SO have a product for companies called Teams. Perhaps the OPs mistakenly thought they were posting on Teams and not in public?
or it's abuse, of course
either way, may be worth a flag?
@StephenKennedy Both ideas seem plausible. Thank you :)
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Q is terrible. The title is way too rude not to red flag tho
Yeah I left my rude flag on it
Couldn't decide ~o~
Gone anyways, and he responded to my comment just before it deleted and now I can't see it :(
> after trying 100000 title for my question . finally only this title could be accepetd by stackoverflow
Really?
21:27
Haha
@StephenKennedy he seems to have directly addressed her in the question, which, imho, makes the Teams theorie more likely? :)
Oh, and morning all /o
I saw this yesterday:
> I want to change a label in my c# .net wpf program but im getting an error nobody else gets.
o/
Looks interesting. I wonder what the error is?
Wonders who else uses C#
21:29
!!/blame
@Nkosi It's Baum mit Augen's fault.
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heh
> System.NullReferenceException: 'Object reference not set to an instance of an object.'
@tink \o
<facepalm>
22:56
Back in 2010, in SO's adolescence, when we didn't know better, I answered a question that would now be immediately closed Unclear/Too Broad. I just got an upvote to my answer, but the question is clearly off-topic, and my answer was based on guessing the OP's intent. (cont'd)
The question is +2/-1 and my answer is +5. What is the proper action here? Does the +5 mean it has enough value to remain? I'm not linking it yet to avoid any meta-effect, and I have no problem losing the rep since it's really an off-topic question.
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Well, my 1200 reputation self says probably close it to new answers (since yes, it is off topic), but there's no sense in deleting it or something like that. +5 means that someone has clearly found the content useful.
@JimGarrison Are you able to edit it into shape?
@JimGarrison I think we're smart enough to find it anyway :) Starting with rep, you wouldn't lose it if the question were closed and deleted: stackoverflow.blog/2012/03/06/…
But like NKosi, I wonder if you could edit the question to make it 'fit' the answer. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me given that the OP is unregistered and never came back.
@JimGarrison I would delete it. I have myself for cases like that in past. Well, not +5 but as high as +3 at least. And several +2 and +1. For a question that’s 8-9 years old, a +5 doesn’t seem too high to prevent considering it for deletion.
that said, I have a pretty good number of accepted answers I would self-delete now, if I could — due to them basically being typo answers and other cases I realize now I never should have written an answer for in the first place
@JimGarrison I've voted to close a couple of questions I answered shortly after starting out here on SO. When going back and looking at those questions, I've tried to evaluated them based on only if they are on-/off-topic, without regard to me being the person who answered. As @Nkosi and @StephenKennedy have mentioned, editing the question into something that's on-topic is, of course, the preferred solution.
IMO, the choice wrt. closing and deletion are separate, but related. Closure is for questions that are off-topic. Deletion is for questions and/or answers which are overall harmful. In this case, given that it was just upvoted, it's clear that even at this point it's been helpful to someone, so I wouldn't delete it. [Note: I have not actually gone and looked for the actual post, so seeing it might change my mind wrt. any of my positions.]
23:15
@Makyen Imho not harmful, and salvageable. Go and have a look for it - you know you want to! :)
@StephenKennedy @Nkosi @JimGarrison oh, I also agree with that — if the OP is unregistered and never came back, and the question could be edited to make it on-topic, then yeah, that seems like a win for the site and for users

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