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3:39 AM
Apparently somebody was abusing zalgo. Cleaned or just off the top of the scrollback?
 
4:00 AM
@Joshua Where?
 
4:26 AM
@Matthew this looks to me like a legitimate request for clarification of documentation
 
5:14 AM
 
 
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6:24 AM
Morning \o
 
7:05 AM
o/
Is SO for you guys also incredibly slow? Loads the page for ages
 
@Lino yeah.
looks like we're unlucky with the assigned server in the webfarm
 
Maybe vpn helps
 
7:22 AM
@Lino that could land you on a different server, yes.
 
7:44 AM
Morning o/
 
\o
@tripleee Could you reject the pointless edit too?
 
@halfer Oops, was already on it
 
@halfer Done a reject and edit. Already had one modflag against that user a few days ago for pointless formatting in edits, tempted to chuck in another now
 
Thanks both
I've pinged the editor in the comments too.
 
@MichaelDodd It'd be nice to be able to edit flags, to include more links for evidence, as well as having a larger maximum length for the flag text body... :(
 
7:55 AM
@NickA I've linked to their suggestion history, that particular edit suggestion, and the fact that I previously flagged them for the same thing on 28th May (marked helpful that time)
Needless formatting within edit suggestions is my #1 pet peeve on SO and is normally an instant reject & edit from me
 
@MichaelDodd what do you mean?
 
@NickA aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaa *rages in Gammon*
 
I forgot arbitrary code formatting there unfortunately
 
8:15 AM
@MichaelDodd You will like this suggested edit
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8:33 AM
 
@Lino *twitch*
On the plus side, flag marked helpful. No idea what action's been taken, if any though
 
@treyBake installing PHP is a programming question, though it's arguably not a very good question
(not least because friends don't let friends install PHP)
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@tripleee meh, to me anything installation and configuration feels too non-programmy to me. It's not programming as such.. more as configuration of the software needed to run the program, but that's just me
 
Speaking of server-side, is rwby ruby on rails still a thing?
 
about as well as Southern.. or at least according to this
kek, somehow misread "a thing" as "running" ... le sigh
 
8:43 AM
@treyBake In all fairness Southern (or at least the Saturday 0626 to Brighton) has been fairly reliable for me recently.
 
huh, what weird voodoo is going on?!
my trains to Brighton lately have been terrible, have to go to Lewes to then go to Brighton..
 
Zoe
9:01 AM
Under what circumstances are an answer with 4 recommended delete votes From VLQ not deleted when the review is complete?
 
@Zoe If they're all "Recommend Delete" and answer is upvoted AFAIK
that'll get forwarded to mods
 
Zoe
Oh. That makes sense ^^"
 
9:23 AM
This is POB right?
 
Zoe
Yep
 
9:47 AM
@treyBake needs a reject edit
 
^^done and done
 
@Lino still lacks mcve?
 
10:06 AM
would this qualify as typo?
 
I would say yes
@MichaelDodd ta for heads-up didn't even see the link
 
@NickA Only hovered over, but the address is a dead giveaway
 
It is, but with the emoji I didn't see it was a link at all >.<
 
@Lino I doubt that the question actually needs mcve, it's more related to how csrf token work, probably there is a dupe somewhere.
 
Might be good faith even though NSFW, linking a site using a product in production gives credibility. Dunno if flagging as spam/rude is really appropriate
 
10:20 AM
@ErikA good faith argument seems weak when the link is disguised in a comma
 
Not in a comma, in a photo emoji (for me at least, might be unicode trouble). And he removed it himself.
 
@ErikA if a web address has "porno" as part of the URL and is disguised as an emoji or a full-stop, there's not an ounce of good faith to have there.
 
now its is in a comma.. OP edited out the emoji not the link
 
Oh, nvm then :)
 
member since today... who cares if they nuke him
 
10:42 AM
@SurajRao OP has provided the code now, retracted my close vote, cc @PetterFriberg
 
@StephenKennedy could you please move this request to /dev/null? it is no longer valid
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (by request)
 
Ty
 
11:03 AM
o/
 
happy today, a question of mine became HNQ :)
 
Chess one?
 
Link? ;)
 
here :)
 
11:31 AM
@NickA yeah
it was something I'd like very much to ask for some time now
and SE once again helped me :)
 
SO Feature request, more votes per day. I run through those in like 2 hours
Just discovered this gem from December 2015
 
1001/1000 late answers reviewed, now I play the waiting game
 
Hi everyone, I've been working on this userscript the past day and would like some feedback: ReviewQueueHelper
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ReviewQueueHelper features: keyboard shortcuts for all four different dialogs, skips audits and accepted questions, works for all review queues (not just CV), auto-focus submit button when option selected (e.g.: so you can go 2 > 2 > space (to submit)), esc/tlide goes back previous dialog pane. [Not compatible with StackOverflow close votes shortcuts]
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@NickA what???? leaves disappointed and red alarms in the SOBotics room
 
@SamuelLiew is circumventing the audit system desirable?
 
12:11 PM
@SamuelLiew did not look deeply into it, but the numbers are really helpful
 
@Adriaan Look, if the mods encourage it, it must be fine ;p
 
well, this wouldn't be the first US that does it
 
Well, the edit audits are pretty blatant anyway
 
and it's not like it would be widely installed by casual users
 
@SamuelLiew FWIW, there's a userscript dedicated to find review audits, but the author claimed that it was testing ;)
 
12:13 PM
I'm so sad that they retired the Steward badge this morning
 
How does the preselection option work in the CVQ? Does it pick the one with the most CV?
 
@Lino yes
so if you agree with the most votes, all you need is 2 > space
 
Cool, does make it a lot faster
But! Does not work with duplicates
The only Issue I found so far
 
yeah I still have yet to do that, for now just filter out dupes
 
12:32 PM
@SamuelLiew Why skip accepted questions?
 
the real question is: What are accepted questions?
 
questions with accepted answers, i was trying to figure out why it was skipping one, as I didn't see any msg saying why it was skipped, just that it got skipped
 
Accepted questions are questions that have been accepted. Alternately, they are things that have been accepted and have a question-nature, or otherwise constitute a question.
 
@Lino Just came upon that question in the review queue and wanted to ask you what flag is most appropriate for these types of question? I don't know what kind of MCVE or MRE should he present?
 
@Matthew the code used, an input image, and an output image perhaps?
 
12:44 PM
^
 
From how the question was formed I didn't even realize there is any code involved :D
 
@NickA I feel that unanswered questions need more attention, half the time answered questions have already been looked at my multiple users. Skipping saves time as well as review quota for the lower-hanging "fruit" that can be faster closed
 
@SamuelLiew Make sense, ta
I did it peeps, 7/7 Steward badges, phew
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1:01 PM
noice! That musta been a long ol' road
 
@NickA Oo
 
@NickA Sadist Congrats!
 
Now all I need is a to make "question is very low quality" a review completing action in H&I and then maybe 8 will be possible
 
@NickA Yep, should be able to cast a close vote from that queue and have it count as a review
 
1:22 PM
@NickA Surely you can't be serious!
 
@RobertColumbia I am serious, and don't call me Shirley
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so, Nick is Shirley and Robert is John?
 
I gotta say, the SO CVQ has nothing on what DIY has in its queue today
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rofl, to be fair, as someone that knows nothing about structures and weight limits I worry about how much weight a floor can support and so try not to put too much stuff in the same area of a room
 
What's up with the servers today? o.O
 
1:41 PM
@Matthew What do you mean?
 
@NickA looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking.
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@Machavity They feel sluggish today. Takes a minute or so to post comments and/or reload pages.
 
@RobertColumbia I'm not sure how appropriate jokes about sniffing glue would be lol
 
@RobertColumbia Time to learn jive
 
@NickA struggling to decide whether to star this or not
you currently have 7 stars, which seems fitting
 
1:45 PM
if i post another 7 messages and they all get starred i'll have the whole star board as well
excluding pinned*
 
I decided to give it an 8th star because there are in fact 8 user review queues
 
No there isn't the H&I queue is just a figment of your imagination
 
H&I is officially excluded
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You mean the one I only have 5 reviews in? Oh good
 
haha
i have 7!
the worst of it is i actually do have 7...
 
1:47 PM
7? Wow, I have only 1. Hit the this question is VLQ about 50 times I think, though...
Before I discovered that button is pretty much worthless and you can better just navigate to the question and vote to close
 
Yeah, "this question is VLQ" should definitely be a "completed review" action
 
Voted to close this as too broad, was that correct?
 
@TylerH Are you sure? There are only 4 lights after all
 
@Lino Yes, I'd say so
 
@Lino maybe Code Review would be the appropriate site, gave it a TB CV for now
 
1:49 PM
OP wants their code to improve, but doesn't say to what extent
SO is for specific questions
Not to mention, as double-beep said, it's already working code, so it's already halfway to CR
 
Thought about CR too, but as OP did not mention what is slow (and their comment is rather cryptic) I refrained from sending them there
 
2:00 PM
Should I flag this answer? I do believe it is trying to answer the question but it looks like spam and is quite unreadable.
 
@Lino sure, that's fair, though I'm a believer in sending questions over to the most appropriate site first and then letting that site sort out the good from the bad, personally. It's not everyone's favorite philosophy.
 
@TylerH I gave up reviewing in H&I because it was a morass of unimprovable VLQ content. OMG my code no work [code wall] halp! Please do my homework kthx! Why did I get this error message [no code]?
 
@Matthew it's a code-only answer.. which I hate. I'd comment advising to explain the code
if nothing after say 20 mins, flag
 
@treyBake With what flag if I may ask?
 
2:02 PM
@Matthew Spam? What it is selling or promoting?
 
@Matthew you shouldn't flag code-only answers!
 
@treyBake doubly frustrating since it's answering an answer with an accepted answer already, and it's 3-4x as much code as the accepted answer
 
@double-beep Okay no need to get upset :)
@double-beep Although this is what the SO review system trains you to do. When reviewing late answers it throws you curve-balls where the answers only contain code and it says that the appropriate action is either to downvote or flag it.
 
^ If above doesn't fall under "active" then feel free to delete
 
@Matthew I'd go low-quali
@TylerH true that... I reckon maybe they're "smurf" accounts trying to get easy rep xD
 
2:17 PM
I wouldn't, that tends to be declined. Rule of thumb: if the answer tries to answer the question, is English, not link-only, and not rude/spam, don't flag it as anything. VLQ was reserved for total nonsense answers iirc
 
@treyBake Yea I have a strong feeling it's LQ but not sure if it's the right thing to flag.
 
@ErikA Did you try Oven toaster banana pickle?
 
We have plugins like Samuel's review helper to avoid getting tricked by audits where that rule goes wrong
 
@ErikA ah really? From the description I just felt like it was applied to answers that can't be fixed via editing, like code-only answers.. (well code-only with no comments)
so what's the right foot forward for code-only ones?
just downvote I'm guessing?
 
yeah
 
2:20 PM
DId someone say downvote? :)
 
@SirE_net4theDownvoter yes, sir, yes! :)
 
@double-beep wat?
 
@NickA watt do you want to say with that?
 
@double-beep I've head sir, yes, sir, but never yes, sir, yes
 
@NickA yeah, I know, it's not Sir E_net4 the Downvoter Sir ;) this suits better in this case IMO
 
2:22 PM
@NickA ^ This. I am not a military commander or anything of the sort.
 
We should really blacklist for like two weeks whenever an Apple event is occurring
 
I live to my title by protecting minorities of SO, defending the anonymity of voting, and preserving peace to curators and downvoters across the seven seas of tags.
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3:08 PM
 
3:25 PM
 
Anyone know why someone would delete their account right after their question was answered?
 
@EJoshuaS if new user, maybe just creating an account to get an answer with no plans to continue use
 
@EJoshuaS To avoid getting caught violating some agreement, e.g. school?
or maybe thinking "if I delete my account it will delete the questions my account asked"
 
Kind of annoying to answer only to have them disappear without accepting or upvoting the answer.
 
^^nothing like drunk stackoverflow'ing, waking up in the morning to see your terrible questions and -3k rep change
 
3:34 PM
Argh, my flagging accuracy went down from 99.02% to 98.94% because of the H&I queue, curses!
Not going in there again
 
@NickA you clicked the link "low quality"?
 
@rene I did
A foolish mistake
 
yes. Never, ever click that link. Never!
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4:08 PM
@NickA Do you count retracted flags in that calculation?
 
ok, ~1500-2000 flags is really not too much to be honest
 
@Matthew Retracted flags aren't counted in the statistics the system presents so probably not
 
@TylerH Where can I see this statistic for my own profile?
 
4:11 PM
@double-beep Hey I am very proud of my 60+ flags, not all of us were using SO the moment we crawled out of our mothers womb :p
 
I'm surprised. I am at >98% helpful
I figured I'd be closer to 90
 
I have made a very huge progress I think. I was at 97.2% in February
 
Hm.. how do I install these scripts? Sorry for the dumb question.
 
and now I am at 99.1%
@Matthew do you have a userscript manager?
 
@double-beep No
Don't even know what that is :(
 
4:13 PM
oh wait, I was miscalculating
 
I guess r/a and spam flags are kept totally separate from post flags
96.9% helpful across all four separate categories combined, that feels more accurate
of course there are about 9 that should be thrown out
but that'd probably only raise me to 96.9n, probably not even to 97, since I have over 7k flags
 
@double-beep Thank you sir! My ratio is 97.14%
 
I guess that's good for a beginner...
 
4:17 PM
@TylerH 97% accuracy with 7k flags sounds strange to me
@Matthew good enough
 
@double-beep why does it sound strange?
 
@TylerH because I had about 98% and I thought it was very low ;)
 
@Matthew A userscript manager is a browser extension that allows you to install, run, and manage userscripts. The most commonly used one is Tampermonkey (multiple browsers). Other options are Violentmonkey (multiple browsers) and Greasemonkey (Firefox only; this userscript manager is not recommended due to compatibility issues).
 
I think my ratio will improve the more time I spent in this room.
 
well the global summary script has me at 98.03% for some reason but I'm not sure why the discrepancy exists
 
4:19 PM
Lots of accurate reports here, you guys are doing a great job.
@Makyen Okay, I will stick with Tampermonkey then.
 
Ah, the GSS is subtracting disputed, retracted, and expired flags from my total flags
that's fair
with that in mind and those 8 or 9 others, let's see...
 
hmm... it appears that... a new SO site launches
 
yeah, that puts me at 98.12% helpful
 
@double-beep Area 51, where the good stuff is kept ...
 
ugh, didn't mean to delete that.
 
4:26 PM
@Matthew honest truth.... I did bad math lol.... I did (helpful-declined)/helpful.... I don't know what I was thinking. I'm dumb?
 
@NickA Shouldn't the userscript tell you this on your profile?
 
@Matthew I can't install userscripts at work
 
can this question be reopen: stackoverflow.com/q/56444431/860099 ?
 
@KamilKiełczewski why?
 
It is not duplicate - the problem is similar but not same - harder - and probably needs totally different approach
 
4:32 PM
There's no actual question in that post and it doesn't offer an attempt
Site policy is not to reopen stuff if it would be more accurately closed by another close reason, which I think is the case here
 
the second problem is that question is about Jacascript - but duplicate is in Java
 
Likewise, it's had a reopen queue item completed for it, and all three users voted to leave it closed (disclosure, I'm one of the three who voted)
My recommendation is OP deletes that question and tries again, this time following guidance from the help center topic, 'how do I ask a good question'
 
It is a duplicate, but the current dupe is wrong
 
at -5, it's not likely to get any good attention even if reopened
 
I posted a link to a dupe in comments
 
4:35 PM
lol, the OP has pinged all the VTC'ers in comments
 
the problem in question is not easy - the "-5" is irrational
 
I agree the score is unfortunate; sincere questions rarely deserve lower than -2 (or whatever the score is that hides questions from the main page). I'm merely stating what I observe to be the likely best course
 
Zoe
@KamilKiełczewski well, pi is irrational.
 
@double-beep No they didn't
 
@TylerH - your duplicate link it comment is not same question (problem)
 
4:37 PM
oh derp they did, didn't realise Kamil wasn't OP :)
 
I'm tempted to put the question out of its misery and delete. I agree with Tyler that it's not salvagable
 
@TylerH - please - read question carrefuly - is not the same
 
Zoe
yeap, it's too broad
@KamilKiełczewski Please read how to ask. The question is too broad as it currently stands. Reopening now would result in re-closure, which is a waste of close- and reopen votes, as well as time.
 
@KamilKiełczewski It's not my duplicate link. Maybe you're thinking of trey, who posted a duplicate in JavaScript
 
author was panic - but look on this previous version: stackoverflow.com/revisions/56444431/4
 
Zoe
4:39 PM
ok. What about it?
 
@KamilKiełczewski You're barking up the wrong tree. 1. We didn't close it. 2. The OP tagged it [java], which made it fair game for the closers 3. It would have been closed anyways
 
Zoe
^
 
@KamilKiełczewski I tested the linked dupe code with the input provided by the question you want reopening - it achieves exactly what they want.. it's 100% a dupe
 
Zoe
really wish I had 20k right about now :]
 
@Zoe Pfft, why settle for anything less than mod privileges ;p
 
Zoe
4:42 PM
Because the elections are rigged on set dates, but I can technically get 20k at any time
at least if I find decent stuff to answer :]
 
@treyBake - strange - the duplicate says about all permutations of letters in input string. The question is about finding all permutations of substring - it is not the same
 
@KamilKiełczewski The one in the comments
 
@KamilKiełczewski jsfiddle.net/p893zvcd
@KamilKiełczewski yes, yes it is the same. It's the principle of the marked answer that makes a dupe a dupe - not necessarily the same question
 
the answer for AABBB shoud be: AAB ABA ABB BAA BAB BBA BBB - so your link give wrong answers (5 letters stings - must be 3 letters)
@treyBake .
@treyBake - it is not trivial
 
@KamilKiełczewski and the OP can take the accepted answer and edit it so it's restricted to 3 chars
I'm not saying it's trivial, I'm saying it's already been asked
 
4:49 PM
@treyBake so there is no answer about this case and this is not trivial, and questions are not the same - first is about string permutation, second is about substring permutation - summary: it is not duplicate
 
@KamilKiełczewski Here you go combinations of size N from an array, it's even in javascript :)
 
99.62% helpful on 9100 flags - and in the other cases the mod got it wrong
 
@KamilKiełczewski there's also this: jsfiddle.net/p52L0zyv
which came from SO question: stackoverflow.com/questions/23305747/…
this question I think is a case of multi-dupes, not singular
 
@StephenKennedy known issue - it's all mod's fault
!!/blame
 
@double-beep It's Suraj Rao's fault.
 
4:51 PM
@NickA nice link - I think the curent duplicate link should be change to your stackoverflow.com/questions/37075180/…
 
@SmokeDetector wrong Mr Rao
 
@SmokeDetector did you mean Bhargav Rao?
 
@treyBake jsfiddle.net/p52L0zyv - wrong answer (element 'AAA' is not allowed in solution)
 
@treyBake (psst, give up, I found a better dupe than you :P)
 
I suppose you can move that conversation to the JS room?
 
4:56 PM
@Zoe I'm totally fed up with SO and their anti-fox agenda!
 
@StephenKennedy Not in favour of fox-hunting, then?
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy anti-fox? What about anti-wolf?!
 
@halfer Absolutely not, and I live on a farm in fox hunting country shakes fist
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy oh? I've never heard of Fox Hunting. Did it break out of UK?
Guessing they foxed brexit too?
 
@Zoe umm.... idk if it's just a British thing. @halfer?
it's not very nice either way - chasing wild foxes on horseback with hounds, who rip the fox to shreds. Technically illegal now but it still happens.
 
Zoe
5:02 PM
@StephenKennedy it's not a reference to actual fox hunting you know
 
@TylerH Questions are hidden from the main page is at a score of -3 or lower.
 
@StephenKennedy Good question, I don't know - I would hope no-one else does it!
New room rule proposal - only tame and friendly dogs allowed.
@StephenKennedy I'm not either, but I could somewhat understand the country opinion that metropolitan city-dwellers were speaking for them. Not too dissimilar from the Brexit phenomenon, in that regard.
 
Zoe
@halfer Objection! bites Halfer
 
Overruled
 
Zoe
Overawooled?
 
@Zoe Chomp! Are you sure you want wild dogs in here, Ms Fox? :-O
 
Zoe
I'm a wolf >~>
 
@Zoe Well I apologise for the mistake, and the many pages of earlier SOCVR misapprehensions!
Wolf hunting isn't much of a thing here, you will be glad to know
 
@Zoe Stop fighting with halfer, he knows what he's talking about :P
 
Zoe
Lol
 
6:10 PM
At first sight thought that some moderators have their own airstrip, for example Madara ...
 
6:33 PM
 
6:45 PM
@Zoe and her useless edits :-P stackoverflow.com/posts/54069141/revisions
 
Zoe
yeah, well, that's only because you're a ninja.
 
*ninja intensifies*
 
Zoe
look at that, ninja'd you on a ninja reference ;)
 
touché
 
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