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7:19 PM
@TylerH they appear to be kinda foxxy
 
Hm, I believe I just had my comment removed for some reason. It was a link to one of the sub-pages from [I downvoted because] website. Are comments such as these legitimately flaggable?
 
idownvotedbecau.se?
 
@Matthew Mods sometimes remove comments. I personally like that site, but some folks reckon it is too terse. It may help if you add some explanatory text to the DV site link.
Search on Meta for various opinions on it.
 
Oh damn it... I didn't include a link... sorry about that :(
@double-beep Yes that's the website
@halfer Okay so a brief explanation (which can be a copy paste from that sub-page) then include a link should suffice to stave off those over-zealous mods?
 
7:27 PM
@TylerH Remarkable effort wolfy!
 
Zoe
@Matthew Yes
 
According to Tim Post they can be considered rude
 
Zoe
^
 
@Matthew Maybe, but if a mod removes your comment, don't mind about it :-)
 
Gotcha, thanks
 
7:29 PM
Mods are still volunteers, at the end of the day, and they have taken on a thankless task - I woudn't have time :-p
(And I really should cut down the amount of editing I do, even though it is quite satisfying)
@Matthew I often paste helpful comments but they are still boilerplate, at the end of the day.
 
"If you're caught using these links pejoratively in an attempt to couch an outright insult in a manner where you think you can hide behind "just trying to help", you're very likely going to be suspended. A great example is just pasting the link..."
 
So if a mod squishes one, no worries.
 
Oh wow... just wow :o
 
@Matthew Bah, you have to do way more than that to be suspended.
Tim just drank a bit too much coffee that day :=)
 
@halfer Is there a script for those things? That might be a better way to get around the mods.
 
7:32 PM
@Matthew Do you mean an automatic script to post them? I believe so, yes
 
Yea I wouldn't bet on those things, they are still people in the end, and people tend to get religious over silly things.
 
I don't bother with a user script though, I'm more of an old-school copy-n-paster
 
@halfer Yes that would be nice, where I can just select them from a drop-down or something when I am doing the comment. I think I saw something like that earlier but forgot about it because I didn't know how to install it.
 
@Matthew The general Stack Overflow advice is to ask a search engine ;-)
 
@halfer Sure but since I am here chatting with you and this is directly concerned with flagging and moderating in general was just wondering if you had a quick link to give me.
 
7:35 PM
@Matthew See above, I don't use userscripts. So, I could DuckDuckGo it, but I would prefer you to do it :-)
 
@halfer Of course, I am on it
 
@Matthew Incidentally, I recommend you don't try "getting around the mods" - work with them if you can. You and they are definitely on the same side.
 
@halfer One would think so, I will try my best.
@Zoe Thank you ma'am!
 
Zoe
Np ^^
 
7:49 PM
I would like to know is there any reason this question was not processed yet? Can anyone here use their magic high-level mod powers to give me a status update? Thank you in advance!
 
@Matthew roomba: 31 days
meaning, the system will delete it automatically in 31 days time
 
@StephenKennedy Why was it not processed the normal way? Did I miss-flag it?
 
freaking A stackoverflow.com/questions/25919471/… sometimes ASP.NET makes me blow steam out of my ears
 
@Matthew No idea. What flag did you raise? Here is the timeline stackoverflow.com/posts/56391883/timeline
 
@Matthew remember in which post the comment was?
 
7:53 PM
@StephenKennedy Off-topic, but I can't see exactly which one though.
 
He's talking about the Triage Queue: stackoverflow.com/review/triage/23157594
 
@Matthew was it marked "disputed"?
 
Yea: " Matthew reviewed this May 31 at 9:49: Unsalvageable "
@double-beep Don't know, it says pending in my flag review.
 
you were correct; VTC'd as unclear
@Matthew it must be marked as "helpful" by now
 
@double-beep ` off-topic – Matthew May 31 at 9:49 pending `
 
7:55 PM
@Matthew While your review was correct, unfortunately the majority of the people who work this queue are completely clueless and it was closed out as only "Requires Editing".
 
@TylerH Ugh. Somebody swallowed the Kool Aid.
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs So will my flag be counted as helpful or should I retract it?
 
@Matthew oh, guess you flagged it as no MRE? I VTC'd it as unclear.
 
Trust me, I am with you on Triage. It's a mess.
 
@Matthew the flag is helpful, you shouldn't retract it regardless of what most people think
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs yeah, got 34 disputed flags from the triage :/
 
7:57 PM
@double-beep Ok, but will it COUNT as helpful?
 
Zoe
@Matthew ~94% of CV reviews are invalidated. There's not much you can do about it really.
 
@double-beep Disputed flags do not count against you. You only should worry about declined flags.
 
After all, I have a reputation to uphold here :p
 
@Matthew I hope so
 
@StephenKennedy Normally I'd be all "whatever". But I'm working on something that uses jQuery UI tabs for a tabbed layout. And jQuery UI needs to be able to insert IDs to these elements I also need to control via codebehind
 
Zoe
7:57 PM
@Matthew Disputed flags and flags that age away have no impact on you.
 
97.8% of statistics are made up
 
Morning all /o
 
and those IDs need to have hyphens in them
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs at least 20 were helpful ;)
 
Alright so I am good then
 
Zoe
7:58 PM
@StephenKennedy 100% of my newer ones build on SEDE.
 
\o tink
 
~~~ @double-beep
 
@Matthew Yeah don't worry about disputed flags. Watch out for Declined flags.
 
Side question, I am tempted to flag this comment as conversational but it's directed at my answer thanking me immensely. I sense a conflict of interest... Any ideas on whats the right thing to do?
 
@tink ~\όμικρον/~
@Matthew what comment?
 
8:00 PM
If a link to a comment doesn't work it is likely the comment's already been deleted
 
Oh lol, it either got nuked or retracted.
 
I expect one of the ninjas (double-beep or Zoe) flagged it before the rest of us had even clicked the link
 
But it was basically "That worked great, Thanks!!!"
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy whoops.
 
Should I flag such comments?
 
8:01 PM
@Matthew Yep. Flag as NLN.
 
Zoe
@Matthew yes
 
I feel bad because they are directed towards me :((
 
@StephenKennedy sorry, not me :( -1 helpful flag for double-beep
 
Zoe
So upvote it first, then flag.
 
lol
 
8:02 PM
hehe @double-beep άλφα
 
@Zoe I like your approach :D
 
@double-beep It must have been the fox
 
Zoe
You can upvote if you flag after, but you can't upvote if you flagged first.
 
@StephenKennedy @Zoe mentioned that she hasn't seen any fox lurking in any room :/
 
Hmmm ... how do the reputation points work? I seem to have lost 17 in the last hour or so, but can't see how on my profile? :)
 
8:02 PM
The easiest way to get helpful flags is to be on the look out for comments that are short and start with or contain '+1' or 'thanks'
 
So basically: "I like your comment, now it's time to move it to the garbage bin"
 
they often only require 1 flag to be deleted
 
@TylerH +1 thanks for the advice.
 
@tink Hmm.. click "show deleted posts" or similar checkbox in your rep list
 
Zoe
@tink Do you mean the rep tab? A lot of stuff is "suppressed" elsewhere
And that ^
 
8:03 PM
@TylerH I don't have that problem. My problem is NOT ENOUGH FLAGS!?!?!?
 
thanks @StephenKennedy & @Zoe
 
Zoe
@double-beep Yeah. Maybe you're just seeing stuff
 
@StephenKennedy watt? You are one of the bad ninjas and you just said that the ninjas were me and Zoe to cover yourself? looks angrily
 
@Matthew You'll get there eventually. You get an additional flag for every 10 helpful flags, up to 100 flags
Once you hit 100, it's rare you'll ever run out from manual flagging
 
@TylerH Yea I know I read the Help-center page about it.
 
8:05 PM
@Matthew Comments are intended to be ephemeral. If you have read the thanks it's work has been done. There's no lasting value once you've read it and hopefully smiled.
 
@StephenKennedy Yea it's not helpful for anyone else and comments should be.
 
Not sure if anyone who takes part in MetaSmoke auto comment flagging ever runs out (aside from one or two of 'em)
 
(some comments are worth keeping of course; conversational ones not)
 
@StephenKennedy - can't seem to find such a thing ...
 
@TylerH We will see about that, I flag like a demon!
 
8:07 PM
@tink Reputation tab, at the bottom of the page is a checkbox labelled "show removed posts"
 
ninja'd by a bad ninja again
 
So do you guys get much new-coming moderators here?
 
Zoe
@double-beep I flagged it tho
Regexed outta existence
 
@double-beep Hardly, given that you posted a screenshot with a hand drawn circle. Clear victory to you sir.
 
Right - thanks @StephenKennedy & @double-beep
 
8:09 PM
@StephenKennedy freehand circles won once again!
 
So, why would a post I downvoted (but didn't answer) take away 18 rep when it gets deleted? :/
 
Zoe
@tink Link?
 
Nuh, ignore me. I'm an imbecile this morning
 
wow, tink-link
 
@double-beep No it wasn't me. My intention was indeed to flag it but somebody else got there first. True story.
 
Zoe
8:11 PM
Think, tink! link
2
 
lol
 
@tink Is the mystery resolved? Was one of your posts deleted?
 
it is resolved ... a 6 year old answer of mine was deleted
 
@Matthew there will always be wolfs foxes ninjas who will ninja other people ;)
 
8:13 PM
Heh
 
@double-beep I will take that as a no :D
And who is this other fox I keep hearing about, is that Zoe?
 
FoxPro
 
Zoe
Shush >.>
 
I think I am in love... <3<3<3
 
Zoe
8:19 PM
@Matthew Yeah, but it's mainly because of the red for some reason
 
@Zoe unfortunately, it's not possible for you to hide!
 
Zoe
@double-beep Actually, it is
 
@Zoe "Love looks not with the eyes, but with the mind, and therefore is wing'd cupid painted blind."
 
@Zoe huh? how? You say SOCVR hasn't calculated something?
 
Zoe
@double-beep Yeah. You forgot to factor in the counter-calculations. You need to calculate the result of a counter-calculation.
 
8:24 PM
@Zoe ooooooh
 
Zoe
But if you do that, I'll fall back to the first one. You can't win :p
 
so, you are a real fox
 
Zoe
Nej
 
[pin-teh-messaeg-above-pls]
 
Should I trim lines such as the last one from this answer? It's unnecessary pleasantries.
 
8:29 PM
@Matthew yeah, also take care of the rest of the post
 
@double-beep You mean the question or answer?
 
@Matthew answer
 
Damn I hate the edit system on SO, what the heck is this?
"Title cannot contain "Sort function not working in C++"."
It does simillar shenanigans when editing posts that are mostly code, I am unable to edit them because most of the post is "just code" >:(
 
oops
 
@Matthew yes, there are a few "good" quality measures that bite everyone
 
Zoe
8:32 PM
welp, that turned into a mess real fast xd
 
@Matthew Sort function not wοrking in C++ should bypass the filter ;)
 
Zoe
@double-beep Sort function not working in C++<insert 40 random chars here>. Problem solved.
 
That's it, not posting any more questions regarding questions I wanna edit here. You guys are rep hunters >:((
 
Zoe
We don't get rep for editing
 
@Matthew blame some bad ninjas
 
8:33 PM
That makes it even worse :D
 
!!/blame
 
@double-beep It's Sterling Archer's fault.
 
Let newbies like me get some rep that way. I enjoy doing it as well.
 
Zoe
@double-beep We're sure as hell not stealthy like ninjas judging by the overlap XD
 
Don't horde all the glory
Good thing I still found something to correct in that post.
You can't stop me you fools!
 
8:36 PM
@Zoe bleh, let's not spend too much time in adding chars; my approach works, test it!
 
@Matthew Sadly you're mistaken
 
@StephenKennedy What is this magic you speak of?
 
@Matthew conflict
 
Zoe
@Matthew 2k editors can sneak past review into editing, and edit
 
@Matthew this stackoverflow.com/users/5759072/… and the ability to reject edits
 
Zoe
8:38 PM
That rejects the edit and conflicts it
 
YOU CAN'T STOP US!
 
Oh godamn it!
 
Zoe
WE ARE UNSTOPPABLE! rams train through the servers
 
Gentle reminder that that would of course count as user targeting and against room rules, so we won't be doing that - but technically we could :)
 
Zoe
^
 
8:39 PM
You just wait until I grind my way to your level...
There will be hell to pay
 
@EJoshuaS wrong link?
 
Zoe
Deleted yesterday
 
@Matthew I have bad news on that front too :)
 
Zoe
@Matthew Wait, really?
 
Oh until then.. pretty please don't reject my edit?
 
Zoe
8:40 PM
I gotta go tell SOBotics the news: Hell is paying for the SOBotics-SOCVR wall!!!
@Matthew we're not that mean
 
Zoe did quite well in the moderator election last time and AFAIK will be standing again, so by the time the grinding is done she might have her name in blue ;)
 
@Zoe Yea I know I am just joking :p
 
double-beep on the other hand - valid target!
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy even beeps twice if you hit the bullseye ;)
 
@StephenKennedy She is pretty and smart.... ahhh...
 
8:42 PM
@Zoe Lol
 
So wait, you are the guys who are basically reviewing my edits?
 
@StephenKennedy grrrrr.... goes ahead and conflicts all @Matthew 's edits
 
Zoe
@double-beep Are you really going to do that? Beep once for yes, twice for no.
 
Might I ask you to speed these proceedings along? It takes forever for them to be approved, usually I just have multiple tabs open waiting for the past 5 to be approved.
 
Zoe
Oh, look, it's a no! :P
 
8:44 PM
@Matthew Nope
 
That's literally the only reason I am grinding to 2k :D
That sweet edit autonomy!
 
Zoe
@Matthew well, you can flag stuff while you wait
 
@Zoe beep beep
 
@Zoe Have to grind flags as well, I am only at 15 so far.
 
Zoe
I'm at 7
Oh wait, that said 17907!
 
8:46 PM
@Zoe Number of flags, not age
 
@Matthew you can join SOCVR, then, and say some jokes (directed at a fox)
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy lol
 
@double-beep Pretty much what I am doing now
 
Zoe
I didn't know I was 17907 years old! :p
 
Spamming the chat so people can't see the cv-pls requests :D
 
8:47 PM
@Matthew Then you can get to 100 in a minimum of 9 days.
 
@Matthew I remember hitting the rep level to do edits without review and that sense of liberation.... and then getting a downvote which took be back below grrrr
 
@Matthew that's a good practice - that's how you should spend your time!
 
This SO is taking over my life, not even joking. Have a bunch of Java dev work pilling up while I am here exchanging pleasantries and playing SO police xD
 
@double-beep Just don't expect to ever win as Zoe has an answer for everything :)
 
@StephenKennedy that's why I am no longer doing it and forcing other people to
 
8:49 PM
Almost 1k rep and 73 helpful flags in under a week, someone help me please!
 
rofl...
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy I have lost before. You just don't know how yet ;D
 
\o night leaves disappointed, since @wolf/fox won again
 
Shewolf
 
Zoe
8:52 PM
AWOO! :D
 
@Zoe when you lose you say "meh"
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy not really
 
@Makyen Then you can get to 100 in a minimum of 9 days., really? That doesn't seem possible... Has anyone ever done a calculation of what is the fastest possible way to hit 100 flags?
 
@Zoe /tableflip ?
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy nope
You'll know when it happens, it's the triggering I'm talking about.
 
8:54 PM
@Matthew Yes, I have done that calculation. That's the number I gave you.
 
@Zoe I'm not sure what you mean but I'm scared all the same
 
Zoe
O.o
 
@Makyen You're just trying to take advantage of my lack of mathz skills.
 
@Matthew If you want to up your flag count, SOBotics is where you need to be, or Charcoal
 
@StephenKennedy I keep getting referred there but I don't really know what to do there. I barely got accustomed to this room, it was a harsh learning curve.
 
8:56 PM
@StephenKennedy If the goal is only flags on SO, SOBotics is far better.
 
But I am already using up all my flags with a ratio of over 97% every day.
Don't see how I can improve my daily gain any better...
 
@Matthew Are you sure you're using up all 30 flags?
 
It will get harder to use them all as the number available increases
 
Don't see how, it should be quite easy to spent at least 30-50 a day
@Makyen I only have 16 flags I believe. Tomorrow it will be 17.
 
@Matthew That means you can raise 32 flags today.
 
9:00 PM
@Makyen How does that calculation work?
 
@double-beep o/
 
@Matthew You get 16 flags on posts and 16 flags on comments.
 
Zoe
^
 
@Makyen Oh snap... I didn't know that they are counted separately o.O
 
oh? does that mean I get 200 flags per day?
 
9:01 PM
@StephenKennedy Yes.
 
Wait does that mean that the daily gain is also doubled?
 
@Makyen Just testing you! Of course I knew that! (I didn't know that)
 
Zoe
Meaning you can flag up to 100 comments and 100 posts
yet, we only have 50 close votes :]
 
@Matthew Yes. And don't forget that you can also raise the ones you gain during the day.
 
Okay so where is the best place to be to get reports on bad comments?
Since they get removed so quickly I would need to manually hunt them down
 
9:03 PM
Hmm... let me think. @Zoe?
@Matthew SOBotics :)
 
Zoe
Blaze. Stackoverflow as the site, click the dropdown arrow and click "comments".
And yeah, SOBotics
 
@Zoe Oh this looks great! Thanks!
 
Zoe
Np ^^
I have 37 flags left today
 
@Zoe Too bad it is limited to only 6 min for some reason.
 
Zoe
huh?
 
9:10 PM
@Zoe I can't see comments older then 7 minutes.
 
Zoe
oh
yeah, it limits the amount of results
There aren't really any decent comment tools yet
 
Watch this space ^
 
Zoe
"watch this space"?
 
@Zoe You're planning a tool for moderating comments aren't you?
 
Zoe
on an extremely 6-8 basis, but yeah
 
9:13 PM
Or at least I thought that was what started you on the SE API C++ work
right
 
@Makyen This is not completely accurate. Starting with 16 flags, you can actually cast 38 flags in the day (possibly 40, if you had 0.2 worth of a partially earned flag). 16 post flags + 16 comment flags, then gain 3 flags, for an additional 3 post flags plus 3 comment flags, and be 0.8 flags towards yet one more additional flag.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy yeah, but I have no idea what I'm doing
 
@Zoe Whatever you do, don't even think about making your life easier by using C#! Honestly, I'm sick of having to tell you this!
 
Zoe
I wasn't even thinking about it! ;)
 
Should I flag comments such as this one?
 
Zoe
9:24 PM
/shrug
I've had some of those approved, some rejected.
 
Hm, okay...
 
@Matthew I wouldn't. The user is asking a question of the answer OP, who rejected the person's edit. The comment has only been there for a few minutes. The user might learn something from a response.
 
@Makyen It went through though :)
 
@Matthew I agree with Makyen. Flagging that was hasty. Just my opinion.
 
@Matthew True, but did it make the site a better place to delete it immediately, or would it have been more beneficial for the user to possibly learn why their suggested edit wasn't appropriate, so they modify their editing behavior in the future?
 
9:30 PM
@StephenKennedy Lead, follow or get out of the way!
@Makyen Yea I know, that's why I asked here. I was unsure if it would be a good or bad idea to flag it. But the dark side got the better of me, sorry.
 
Zoe
@Matthew Or rebell and make a decent future.
 
@Zoe Party pooper...
 
@Zoe Rebell? Is that what happens when a church undergoes maintenance?
 
Oh hahaha
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Uh, no?
 
9:36 PM
@Zoe Hmm. Thine word doth be valid Middle English
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Is it rebel for the verb too?
 
You're gonna like this one ^^
 
@Zoe You've got me nervous now. I'll check the Oxford dictionary.
 
@Zoe How the heck did you do that huge edit?
 
Zoe
Rollback
There's a button for it. 2k only
 
9:40 PM
Ahaa I see now, so he vandalized his own post for some reason.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy oh. Makes sense ^^"
 
Should I retract my flag?
 
Zoe
I'm raising a mod flag
 
For vandalizing I guess?
 
@Zoe You left a rant in place (last paragraph)
 
9:44 PM
@StephenKennedy I took care of it :)
 
Zoe
oof xd
 
:(
 
Zoe
yeah, that got conflicted .-.
But I don't think rejection due to conflicting edits affects edit bans in any way, so it shouldn't be a big problem
 
Don't bother trying to out-ninja Zoe, @Matthew. I shouldn't tell you this but she's really a bot.
 
Alright I am done with all my comment flags, 14 went through, 3 pending.
@StephenKennedy It's a fox thing, you wouldn't understand.
 
Zoe
9:46 PM
I have had 0 rejections so far today
 
Yea me too, this brought me to 97.89% \o/
 
Zoe
I'm at 99.25% atm
 
Almost better then @double-beep
@Zoe You're not gonna hold that championship belt forever, I am coming for you.
 
what's this, flagging?
 
Yes
 
Zoe
9:48 PM
lmao, you're starting to sound like double-beep xD
 
@Zoe In what way?
 
99.62%
 
Is he also a charming and well-spoken gentleman?
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy How many flags total?
 
Zoe
9:50 PM
@Matthew no, but trying to catch up a gap of 10k flags when I'm about to run entirely out of flags for the day :]
 
@Zoe Well you have to eat and sleep sometime...
 
Zoe
yeah, but you still have up to 200 flags per day
And I usually flag while I eat. :]
 
@StephenKennedy She really is a bot, you weren't kidding...
 
Zoe
@Oleksandr You need to format your requests.
 
sorry, thanks!
 
9:54 PM
(I added the misformatted request to the move manually, as the question is now closed)
 
@Zoe I wanna ask you about something you said earlier. So there is a point where you dont get any more rep for editing?
 
Zoe
iDunno
I just like it
 
But you are not getting rep for editing?
 
@Zoe Time for bed
 
Zoe
Only for tag wikis
But that's just up 'til 1k rep or 20k IIRC
at lest 20k, not sure about the 1k part
 
10:00 PM
@Matthew You stop getting rep for editing when you get the edit privilege - 2000 for questions and answers; 20k for tag wikis. There is also a rep cap for rep from edits - I also think it's 1k but not sure.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy yeah, it's 1k
But I can't remember if it's 1k for all types of suggested edits, or if it's 1k for tag wikis and 1k for posts
 
Zoe
Does this need to be moved manually?
 
I've binned those messages as imo they fall foul of the rule "Keep the discussion on the merits of the post, not on behavior of the user." socvr.org/faq#GEfM-moderate-post-not-user
 
Zoe
oh. ^^" Right. Sorry
 
10:04 PM
@StephenKennedy Okay that's good to know. I still need to read up about those tag wiki edits, not sure how to find those around.
 
Zoe
@Matthew tag wikis are more challenging though
 
That user has over 7k rep and has reached close to 300k people and is behaving like that. Hard to believe this can happen on a place such as SO...
 
@Matthew Oh no, we have some proper 30K+ vampires here. The rep system is OK at filtering out low-quality contributors, but it's not perfect
 
@halfer What do you mean with "vampires"?
 
@Zoe yes, it would appear so
 
Zoe
10:08 PM
@Matthew help vampires
 
@Zoe Still confused.
 
Oopsie at one-boxie
Wolfie shows how it is done, bah
 
I see. But the user in question has 178 answers and only a single question. I don't think he qualifies as a vampire under the definitions you provided.
 
Let's knock discussion of a specific user on the head please @Matthew. We moderate posts in this room, not users.
 
10:14 PM
@StephenKennedy Right, sorry about that.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy actually, now that I come to think of it, are requests on comments allowed?
 
@Zoe They don't appear to be not allowed so I would say yes. Whether there is any conflict of interest when the comment is addressed at you is another matter, and not one I was keen to deliberate on at this late hour. Better ask one of the more experienced ROs if you want a more definitive answer.
(sorry, multiple pings there due to editing)
 
Zoe
yeah, I'll do that tomorrow. Thanks for the answer though ^^ I'm out of comment and post flags, close votes, and regular votes. I think it's about time I sleep :] Later o/
 
10:33 PM
Night all, time for this cat to curl up in a bun o/
 
the culprit has been discovered grrrrrrrrr
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels It's late here and I'm tired, but I'm not seeing a close reason in this request
Never mind, Sam (mod) closed it
 
11:34 PM
@StephenKennedy: sorry, it was too broad / dup
But a moderate closed it for being too broad
 
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