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6:25 AM
@ekad It has a pending edit and seems to be also "request for off-site resource". I have a confusion about mein vs main
 
@Vega Looks like it's "mein", the documentation page title says "Meinhotspot API Documentation". I agree "request for off-site resource" could also be the close reason.
 
@Shree The new post appears to be plagiarized
 
Duplicate or ?? closed reason for this . Repeat own question because don't find final solution
 
 
 
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8:49 AM
 
9:05 AM
 
Morning o/
 
o/
 
9:29 AM
\o
 
o/
 
Mornin all
 
9:54 AM
is there a [tag:naa-pls] or something for this?
 
@tripleee del-pls? reason NAA
 
@NickA of course, thanks
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Its gone
 
Don't think I've seen FOX9000 post in here before now, new bot?
Modflagged for that edit summary regardless
 
10:04 AM
@MichaelDodd I haven't seen it in a long time but it's not new
@MichaelDodd First post I could find from FOX was May 3 '16 4:31 AM
 
@NickA Yeah that's before my time, I've only been in SOCVR for about a year and SOBotics a bit longer
 
How do bots gain reps?
 
Well it's last I could find was November 10th, but it's not very active, less than 1 a week on average I think
@Vega I'd guess from the 68 approved edits :P
 
@Vega They just ask questions and post answers. One generally is enough. There's a thing with one SD question that's gotten a whole lot of attention
Or edits, that too
 
I didn't expect that kind of activity from the bots, interesting! thank you @NickA and @ErikvonAsmuth
 
10:21 AM
@MichaelDodd nope, it is a regular but it doesn't post often
 
10:32 AM
Huzzah! Cheese hat obtained!
 
I see your cheese hat and raise you a toilet paper hat
 
@MichaelDodd how long do you need to wear each hat?
 
@MatthieuBrucher One per UTC day
 
Oh, that's why, change them more often that that...
 
@tripleee Are there any more ideas as to how the TP hat is earned?
:44881597 k
 
10:41 AM
@MichaelDodd haha just got it :p
@MichaelDodd I got the TP when editing questions, that's only thing I know.
 
@MatthieuBrucher Haha nice :P
@MatthieuBrucher Do you know how many? I've edited nearly 20 over these past few days but still nothing
 
@MatthieuBrucher You have nice and big hat collection! :)
 
@MichaelDodd Not according to the meta.SE post or anything obvious in the chat room
 
@MichaelDodd Not sure. I haven't edited that many, that's the worst. Or is it closing down questions? I have lots of duplicates, no MCVE per day, that may be it? (probably over a hundred)
@Vega yes, thanks! There is a few I know I will never get :(
 
@MichaelDodd I've been involved in question editing, close voting, spam flagging, and perhaps occasionally getting something reopened -- could be any of those, or a combination
 
10:53 AM
@tripleee Likewise. If it was purely for close voting, we'd all have it by now :)
 
edit followed by upvote on the fixed question could be a good speculation, many of the other hats are vaguely like that
not sure if that's something I have actually done though
 
Can anyone please review this question, I think it should be re-opened as the question has been edited to be in the correct format. stackoverflow.com/questions/50209119/…
 
@TjaartvanderWalt "the following compilation error" - I don't see any code which could cause that error in the question
 
@NickA I think the code was a image that the author posted, thus the question got closed. I do not have that image to update the question.
 
@TjaartvanderWalt in your edit you did transcribe the image containing the error but you didn't transcribe the image with the code.
@TjaartvanderWalt here it is: i.stack.imgur.com/bGB5b.jpg
 
11:07 AM
@rene thanks I was looking for that image now. Will update the question with the code
 
@TjaartvanderWalt ping me when you've done that.
 
@rene Done, Thanks!
 
11:43 AM
^ metric shitload of duplicates, should probably be cleaned up
 
12:38 PM
@RiggsFolly 😇
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman ?
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Thanks for the poke, but I am completely clueless as to why/what.... have I dont something angelic
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Oh maybe you are referencing "Its gone" :)
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman You must be having a busy day, that was hours ago
 
12:48 PM
Ha ha... Very much, prod release going on...
Plus it's holiday times. Only a few staff are available to take care if something goes wrong.
 
Prod release here as well, and I'm on holiday as of tomorrow so... fingers crossed
 
@NickA Good planning that. Release new code and then go on holiday. Thats always a good idea
 
1:11 PM
@DimaRostopira use [tag:tag-name]
 
Thanks, I will use it next time
 
@double-beep I dont think it was closed was it? Anyway OP has deleted it now, guess they spotted their woops
 
waffles
 
@Vega shouldn't that be bagels?
 
1:18 PM
I prefer les crêpes!
 
I think this should be geographically dependent. are you still +5 or back home?
 
I am still far away, but I also still can make some :)
 
Morning
 
1:30 PM
o/
 
Well, @RiggsFolly I wanted to say to retract all the flags in this question.
 
@Machavity It was a long-long process
@StephenKennedy I used to love to eat bagels when living in a -5 ;) with my morning coffee on the East 72nd
 
@double-beep Oh right
 
@Machavity with the design gone, we finally can get ...
 
@Vega oops. so TIL I have no idea where you are.
 
1:33 PM
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Maybe this is one for you as OP is referencing one of your contribution stackoverflow.com/q/53852308/2310830
 
@rene One can hope. I'm tired of all that scrum
 
@double-beep You can ask one of the ROs to remove your cv-pls :)
@StephenKennedy Well, it's dinner time, so will take a chapati
 
@Vega ah - French Guiana! ;)
 
@Machavity agree, haven't mastered it ...
 
Who knew that Shog knew japanese? ja.meta.stackoverflow.com/a/2894/11060
 
1:38 PM
@Braiam He knows 9 languages
 
@RiggsFolly I wish it were just code, it's a whole system infrastructure that we're redeploying
 
Each version of shog introduces a new language to the shog machine, thus allowing it to moderate even more communities. shog10 is slated to learn Russian and shog11 will be learning Korean
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@NickA DUCK .... Incoming
 
@RiggsFolly Well apparently it had to be done by christmas, fortunately, the rest of the team is in til friday in case it hits the fan
 
@NickA Well I hope you all have a lovely UNINTERUPTED Christmas
 
1:43 PM
} catch (InterruptedException ie) {
 
I've got a UPS, no interruptions for me ;)
 
@NathanOliver I have FedEx. Er, wait...
 
@Braiam yeah but what might be the question on code consisting on, main; printf; return 0?
 
A quick thought, is it impossible for established users to get the Member Of The Hand hat? Doesn't it only apply to SO, meta.SO and <languages>.SO?
 
1:51 PM
btw I intentionally did allow google to translate the page
 
@MichaelDodd I think it's no and yes
@StephenKennedy Hmm, it's in +3
 
@Vega Yeah only joking... so are you gonna reveal which city?
 
2:19 PM
@NathanOliver We're actually at Shog412 at the moment. It's just not revealed to mortals the public.
 
@MadaraUchiha Release 9, build 412? :)
 
Something like that.
 
Can any of the English here tell me whether "half seven" is 18:30 or 19:30? I'm unsure, since "half past seven" would be general in English (19:30), whereas the standard Dutch 'half zeven (seven)', would be 18:30
 
19:30
Short for half past 7
 
Thanks
 
We only use the next hour when we're past the half hour e.g. 25 to 8
 
3:22 PM
Just remember your rounding rules. Half goes up, not down ;)
 
@MichaelDodd ah, we split the time exactly opposite on the half
 
@Adriaan Ah, so "half to 7"?
 
@MichaelDodd well, yes, but we never say the 'to', so 'half seven' is not short for anything, it's simply 18:30, not shortened anywhere
 
@Adriaan Was meaning the implication that it's pointing towards the next hour rather than being past the current hour
 
@Adriaan I always found the dutch rules a nightmare, you have to calculate for half an hour till you know what time it is. "vijf voor half zeven in de namiddag" means Take seven o'clock, subtract 30 minutes add 12 hours and take another 5 minutes away"
And if are not careful, you come up with constructions as "vijf over kwart na half zeven" which is incorrect Dutch but would lead to take 7 o'clock, subtract 30 minutes, add 15 minutes add 5 minutes.
 
3:31 PM
In Flanders you might, we'd never do such a thing :P
 
@Adriaan LOL
 
@Adriaan Funny, I would understand the same: 18:30. Happy to learn :)
 
@kvantour We'd use 5,10,kwart over/before whole hour or half hour. So yes, that would be a 'valid' time, although I guess it'd be wrong to use it as such. Morning/evening is only used when there's doubt, but usually that's not the case: 'Shall we have beer at six?' does not indicate to me that you want me to drink beer before breakfast ;)
Correction on that: 'kwart' (quarter) always goes with the whole hour.
 
3:49 PM
Deployment finished, UAT after xmas phew
 
All I want for Christmas is to hit 5k rep :)
 
goes on a downvoting spree
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@TylerH you want the vote hat?
 
@Adriaan bit late to the party (must be the difficulty of telling time! lol) but that's definitely a British-ism. No one would ever say that in the US. I would take 'half seven' as a time to mean 3:30, personally...
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@MatthieuBrucher I "hate" hats
 
@TylerH Sorry :)
 
3:57 PM
@TylerH that's why I asked for English people. Although That's rude to the Scottish, Welsh and Ulsters I guess
 
@Adriaan What about people who have lived in scotland their entire life but still prefer to call themselves english over scottish...
 
@Adriaan half seven: half past seven or half to seven?
 
Also, it definitely means 7:30 ;p
 
@Adriaan No Irish? Although they'd probably hit you with a sheleighlagh either way
 
@Machavity Half Seven is Half Past Seven
@MatthieuBrucher Half Seven is Half Past Seven
@Machavity Sorry, got your handle by mistake :)
@MatthieuBrucher as in 7:30, as in half past the hour mentioned
 
4:01 PM
@Machavity I'm not sure they use this date-syntax
 
@Adriaan I figured you might have meant English as in England, but wasn't sure
@Machavity they might hit you with one just for spelling it that way :-P
 
@RiggsFolly That's what I thought as well.
 
@TylerH Well, the English in England are speaking English, regardless of what several of your state laws may claim
 
actually they are speaking UK or British English, they don't get to just speak English anymore :-(
 
eh what?
 
4:05 PM
just English is American English because America has the biggest stick :-P
 
@TylerH I resent that, English is BrE, AmE is a totally differently language :P
 
4:18 PM
If a question shows all of its code and results as images instead of text do we close vote that?
 
yes
code needs to be text
 
@NathanOliver It is definitely worth a stern comment. But I think we should give them time to amend it before closing
 
@NathanOliver Images of code don't count as a MCVE
 
jww
4:22 PM
@NickA - Regarding the edit after close, Stack Overflow welcomes junk questions to act as sign posts. Even if it steals questions from other sites on the Stack Exchange network and promotes more off-topic junk. I feel anything that is retained should be fixed to the best of our abilities. If that means approving an edit to a closed question then so be it. (I think the root cause is the underlying policy. The policy needs to be fixed).
 
@jww Huh?
 
Thanks guys
 
@NathanOliver Since 99% don't fix it, I tend to err on close first, and reopen later if they take the MCVE hint
 
Questions w/ only images of code should be downvoted and closed for having no MCVE
 
4:25 PM
rep cap oh rep cap, why have I reached you so soon?
 
@NathanOliver What is this "rep cap" you speak of? Have people been upvoting you?
 
@jww I don't see how your message relates to that though, the edit is on an answer to an open question, I was talking about how they'd already suggested the same edit and had it rejected then. I'm all for closing questions before they get edited
 
Yeah, not sure why though ;)
 
jww
@NickA - Oh, my bad. I thought you were talking about a closed question.
 
@jww Nah :)
 
4:32 PM
@NickA you can resent it all you like, the top dog pays no heed to those yapping at its heels :-P muahaha
@NickA definitely not mod-flag worthy. The edit should be accepted anyway
 
@TylerH Disagree, I don't find it to be any improvement :P
Mostly due to the strikethrough
 
The strikethrough is the most useful edit because it clearly indicates users should disregard that part of the answer
while keeping it there for easily visible historical context
 
@TylerH Strikethrough imo should be used prior to removal, if something is worth being struck through it's worth just removing, this doesn't apply here. I'd be more tempted to move that part to the end of the answer mentioning that it was previously the case
 
@NickA clearly we disagree on the use of stricken text (and the value of historical context)
 
@TylerH Stricken text sure, there is of course value of historical context, which is why the answer would be better restructured IMO, rather than struck through, it absolutely shouldn't be removed
I certainly wouldn't make an edit after it's already been rejected by 4 users in review though
 
4:44 PM
So by that logic one should improve the edit, rather than reject/reject & edit, since we agree it should be changed, just not on the way the user tried to edit it
 
@TylerH Sure, but I'm not gunna put the effort in to do so :P, I reviewed the edit that was provided and didn't think it was an improvement, I will of course leave yours as it is though
 
Nay, we must fight to the death! Hmm, maybe this Red Bull is affecting me a bit much...
 
lol
@TylerH Well I would love to challenge you to a duel throws glove, however I'm done for the day, half day tomorrow so may see you around :P
 
a shakes fist would suffice, @NickA
 
@NickA Congrats! Enjoy the time off
 
5:24 PM
@TjaartvanderWalt BTW: In general, we should not be transcribing code from images into questions. While images of code have very little value, it's just too easy to introduce additional errors when someone other than the OP transcribes the code. If you do transcribe it, then extreme care needs to be taken when doing so. I'm not finding the Meta that's actually on this issue, but the answers and comments here generally cover it.
 
I often come across questions that only show a link with code and I think thats not the way how its supposed to be, but I tried some some should be closed categories so far but most of the times my vote to close the question gets declined
 
btw, I'm fairly certain Cleanup Duty is triggered by editing a post which subsequently gets an upvote
 
5:46 PM
@aldr For closure, any question should be evaluated based on the actual contents of the question without considering any linked content as part of the question. It should be assumed any linked content does not exist, with the sole exception of images hosted on Stack Exchange's imgur account, i.stack.imgur.com. Both questions and answers must be self-contained. Links are fine to supplement, but not for required information. We don't want useless questions resulting from dead links.
@aldr However, without a link to an example, it's impossible to comment on any specific case.
 
nn all
 
@aldr Are you sure they get declined? Most of your flags are probably expired, considering that the review queue for question closers, on average, has over 9.5k questions there.
And just fyi - you actually don't "vote to close" until you have 3k+ rep. You flag for closure. It takes 5 (non-binding [aka, non-mod]) votes to close a question. A flag does not count as a vote.
Both actions place the question in the CV review queue (similar to your triage queue). But with a flag, it still requires 5 other votes.
 
6:14 PM
@Makyen I advised them to do so as they already did the error message earlier while removing the link to the image with the code, causing confusion. Instead of rolling back I reckoned going forward would be more valuable given the relatively high view and vote count on the Q/A.
 
6:25 PM
@rene I haven't taken a detailed look at the specific question. If the person transcribing is very detail oriented, then it can be OK. However, most people don't put out the effort needed to accurately transcribe. Doing so is particularly difficult with code that you don't know if it's working, or not, or even if it's displaying the error which the OP describes, as automatic checks (e.g. compiling and running the code) often can't be trusted. So, generally shouldn't do it, at least IMO.
 
@Makyen mhm of course now I cant find an example, either they were closed which would be fine with me or ppl did improve their question and edited it accordingly to not get closed
 
@Makyen I agree on the generally ...
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs that was what I meant, flag them for closing and when enough people flag them they get into the close queue
 
7:18 PM
TIL New Horizons has a 1Kbs modem and will take 20 months to transmit all the picture it will take of Ultima Thule. Not sure why our ISP's haven't brought service out to the Kuiper belt :(
 
/o
 
@Makyen Thanks for the information. The only reason I transcribed the image to code is one of the voters to close the question mentioned not to post image only questions.
 
7:45 PM
@NathanOliver I just got one of your answers from 4 hours ago and already upvoted 15 times for an audit. Wow!
 
Cool
Hit the HNQ and an Audit all in the same day \o/
 
Can we say: hats off to you?
 
Since I'm not wearing one, yes, yes you can :)
 
8:05 PM
@NathanOliver Ultima Thule? Is that the latest game in the Ultima series?
Actually we may start to see a buildup of relay satellites in the 20s and 30s; China already positioned one on the far side of the moon in LSO a few years ago for their lander that they just launched
 
Nope. It's a bit of rock and ice chilling out past Pluto. (well at least they think it is rock and ice, we'll know more in a couple weeks)
 
I know Elon's Starlink for LEO-based satellite internet (wayyy faster than current GSO internet) got approved and is in progress
It only makes sense that we would want some more satellite clusters around Mars and at Lagrange points to help facilitate data transfer
At the very least we should be able to achieve DSL throughput (though of course an avg of 12.5 minute delay due to distance) between Earth and Mars
 
Can you imagine playing TF2 with a 75,000 ping?
 
@NathanOliver Set a sentry and find out 5 minutes later you're on a killing spree
 
8:29 PM
@NathanOliver You mean just like playing TF2 normally? :-P
 
for some reason I have noticed lagging worse in that game than most others
 
hmm. I've haven't noticed anything myself. As long as I'm playing on a Virginia server it's been pretty good. I did set ping limits so It'll only pick a LA or Virginia server. I was getting servers in Luxembourg for a little bit so I had to stop that.
 
hey guys and sorry for the offtopic does the google login work for you right now?
I would like to ask that on meta.SE but I cannot login lol
 
8:53 PM
thanks for nothing.
 
@rekire No need to get mad. We don't do tech support tho. Maybe try the contact form
 
@rekire worked for me earlier today.
 
@rekire Looks like the google login is broken. I just had a heck of a time trying to get back in.
 
jww
9:39 PM
@rekire - I used to encounter it on occasion. It was frequent enough for me to start taking notes. I would login and then get kicked back to the SO login screen, ad infinitum. I correlated it to browser updates. Apparently Firefox issues updates that require a restart on occasion, but they don't prompt you. Close your browser and then re-open it.
 
10:00 PM
@TylerH @StephenKennedy @NickA I'm not sure what the gist is of the problem here but your names are mentioned there either as editors or reviewers.
@rene now on MSO
@Jean-FrançoisFabre go and prosper ...
 
10:16 PM
@MatthieuBrucher About your edit here. If you are going to remove the C++ tag you need to get rid of the C++ code.
 
Oh, sorry... I don't remember. I'll remove the C++ includes
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Python is a mess. Even 80k+ reply on duplicates.
 
@MatthieuBrucher yes. But there's duplicate and duplicate. Some are harder to find (or maybe we don't want to search for them, we prefer answering them... shame)
I agree that answering super-classic dupes when you have 80k+ and probably dupehammer is a disgrace
Same for C (maybe worse, as there are really no new questions...)
 
I keep on downvoting such answers because of the disgrace.
 
vote to close, and vote to delete, ask for deletion here after 2 days closure
watch me
 
I will :)
 
10:23 PM
^that. Save it in your favorites and revist 48+ hours after it is closed so we can delete it.
 
I still don't have the vote to delete, but hopefully in 2 months...
 
go for it :)
 
@MatthieuBrucher You'll have it after 48 hours. You can delete any closed post at 10K after it has been closed for 48 hours. Once you get 20K you can vote to delete right away as long as it is at -3 or lower.
 
@MatthieuBrucher most of my delvote requests are 10k+ not 20k+ except when I'm really angry :)
 
Oh, excellent, didn't know that. I haven't wielded my 10k+ powers :)
 
10:30 PM
Note that with 11k you can delete 5 or 6 posts a day. Get 40k you can delvote 30 posts a day.
Get 100k and you get... a big smile, nothing else.
 
Well, this was certainly the wrong room.
(not NSFW or anything, just a bit off topic: i.stack.imgur.com/Np5G1.png)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Great, so I can help you delete stuff :)
 
yeah, starting now :)
but don't follow blindly. and keep some votes for later in the night just in case...
 
@MadaraUchiha I guess you can see yourself out?
 
@rene I was never here to begin with mysterious hand motions
 
10:40 PM
I must have kicked air then ...
 
whoosh
 
;)
 
"Run for administrator" is there a hidden message? like elections soon?
 
@rene thanks for the heads up
 
Sooooo annoyed at 100k+ that don't delete their answers to duplicates, so so annoying.
 
10:56 PM
@MatthieuBrucher I plead guilty. When the answer gets upvotes it's difficult to delete it. I've done it a few times, though. And if the answer has 0 votes, I delete it immediately so it's not accepted by OP.
(when the answer is accepted, it's also impossible to delete it, except if you delete the question, like I just did/requested a few minutes ago)
 
It's hard, I agree, especially when you want to get a badge, but I have done it several times because otherwise they can't get deleted automatically.
It's being humble, I think it's something that when you are at 100k+, you should be.
 
my top voted answer (yes... I know) is a duplicate. But I didn't know that. Else I wouldn't have answered. Sometimes you blind yourself and you don't search.
I'm in the top 20 of duplicate closers according to a recent SEDE query, so I don't think I should be ashamed.
 
Yes, that I'm guilty of this as well. But when it's in the same hour, I try to convince myself to delete now.
 
Real crime is answering a duplicate when you know it is one.
@MatthieuBrucher agreed.
Gray area is when you could google because you suspect that it is a dupe, but in the meantime someone could answer and steal your thunder (and the dupe could be so hard to find that you don't find it either...)
Even better: once I closed as dupe while someone had already answered. The same user hammered open the question again. But it was a blatant dupe. I summoned meta (wasn't sure it was the guy: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/361469/…), and the question got deleted.
 
Wow... All that just to get rep...
Indeed, I agree that it's tempting to reply as fast as possible to get the thunder. It's something I find fascinating because I see how it works on me.
The rush to get that answer
 
11:05 PM
there's "enlightened" silver badge for being the first to reply and get 10 votes.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Indeed... Then you need to get 10 votes with a good quality answer.
 
I really enjoy the long run approach. Let others answer nonsense, then post the good answer and get the rep. With bad answers out, you get more rep :)
 
This is true!
 
I have a few enlightened badges.
well, nice talking to ya, but got to hit the pillow. night
 
nn @Jean-FrançoisFabre
 
11:07 PM
It's actually tough now in established realms to get them, as most big questions are answered.
 
I too don't mind the long-run, if I have a good answer to provide
 
nn @Jean-FrançoisFabre
@TylerH That's true. And the objective should be the community not our rep :p
 
stackoverflow.com/a/32721572/2756409 this answer of mine was posted after the accepted answer was already at like 200 score
 
wow... nice... I don't expect to get that kind of answer in C++ or scientific Python.
 
@TylerH why closed with such duplicate .. should be reopend IMO
 
11:10 PM
@TemaniAfif hm?
Oh I didn't even notice
yeah, I agree. I honestly wouldn't put it past that user to do that vengefully. It clearly should be closed the other way. Maybe it was a mistake. Anyway, fixed now!
 
Wow, 260 votes in 2 weeks...
 
@MatthieuBrucher Hm?
if you mean the one I linked, it was answered a couple years ago
 
Oh yes... I'm really too tired and should head up to bed...
 
@TemaniAfif Yes, well, we could talk at length about it I'm sure but keep in mind discussing a specific user here is prohibited per the room rules (unless prompted by a moderator) :-)
Anyway, time for me to head home for the day
 
11:21 PM
@TylerH no i won't it's not my intention ... @rene can you please delete my last message, I don't want any missunderstanding or bad intention.
 
nn everyone
 

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