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4:50 AM
How does one get a question closed if it has been answered correctly and to stop new low quality answers?
 
 
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6:19 AM
@Shree pending edit requires another approve vote
 
@tripleee done.
 
@TjaartvanderWalt If it's an on-topic question, then it shouldn't be closed (implied by your statement that it's been "answered correctly"). If there are lots of spam and me-too type answers from low-rep users, then the question can be "protected", but we'd need a link to the question. "Protection" is a specific use-case, however, so it's not appropriate for most questions. If you do supply a link, please make sure your message contains something in addition to the URL so it doesn't create a onebox.
 
6:34 AM
@rene Thanks, I've added a comment although Servy's answer covers my thoughts well
 
Please get a-round to the burnination: CV queue 🔗; open Qs; closed Qs; burnination chat (mostly re-tagging)
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6:51 AM
@Makyen Here is the link to the question stackoverflow.com/questions/41276692/…
 
7:13 AM
@TjaartvanderWalt There isn't much we can/should do wrt. the question itself. The question hasn't had any activity in 10 months (e.g. no new answers). It doesn't have a history of getting answers from low rep users. Although there is one answer from a low-rep user that was deleted, "protection" is really intended to be applied for questions that have demonstrated currently ongoing problems, which this doesn't really have. About all that can be done is to downvote the answers you feel are "not useful",
as the tooltip for downvoting answers indicates. If there were answers with negative score, users with >20k rep can vote to delete them (if deletion was appropriate for the specific answer), but there are no answers on the question with a negative score.
 
@Makyen Thanks for the insights
 
7:45 AM
@TjaartvanderWalt np. I'm sorry it's not really the answer you were looking for.
 
8:25 AM
 
8:51 AM
@MatthieuBrucher why you request answer deletion? you can simply do for the question
 
Oh, it put the answer instead of the question... Bad link, sorry. that was for the question indeed.
 
Well, this is a bummer. How can you see your flag history, when the righthandside panel on the activity tab (the one with Number of people reached, edits, flags) still shows the default text? (I custom-flagged on a site where I have no activity other than this flag)
 
@Adriaan Use: https://stackoverflow.com/users/flag-summary/<userid>
Although using whatever site you were on
 
@NickA ohh, that even works on foreign-language sites. Thanks!
 
8:59 AM
np :)
 
Interesting 'bug'
 
tbh, I had no idea if that would work on any sites other than SO, but I assumed it would
 
9:21 AM
@MatthieuBrucher Please re-submit your request with a link to the correct post. BTW: Just because a question is closed as a duplicate isn't a reason that it should be deleted. Duplicate questions are explicitly intended to be signposts to get users to the duplicate-target.
 
@Makyen sometimes google results show the duplicate above the original
 
@Bebs In such cases, please be specific as to why that post is causing harm. Just being a duplicate isn't causing harm. In fact, it's generally beneficial.
 
@Makyen That's what I was talking about
I was confirming
 
@Bebs Ah... I misunderstood. Sorry about that.
 
@Makyen Thx for deleting the previous one. I agree, duplicates can be that. In the case of Python, there are so many duplicates that the real good answer is drowned in a plethora of bad practice by the Python gold tags.
 
9:31 AM
@IslamElshobokshy Huh? You're linking to your own answer. You shouldn't answer questions you think should be closed.
 
@ErikvonAsmuth answer is deleted now
 
@ErikvonAsmuth yes I deleted my answer after I posted here
 
First of all, morning all :)
then
@Shree :p
 
10:20 AM
Morning all
 
o/
 
Final day in the office today \o/
 
@MichaelDodd Me too \o/ only 2hrs left!
 
@NickA Not until 6pm for me, but counting down the hours :)
Though I deliberately took the longer route to work this morning to grab a coffee on the way
Sleep pattern has been really out this week, though probably not helped by getting to bed at 1am on Tuesday night
Should I flag that last SD report for plagiarism? I can't see any difference between it and the accepted answer.
I edited the formatting but not the content of the post
 
10:35 AM
@MichaelDodd I think you should
 
Yep, the code content is identical
@Sami Done
 
11:11 AM
@MichaelDodd it looks like Brad is on leave. I have a pending possible plagiarism flag for 2 days now.
 
11:52 AM
@rene Marked helpful and deleted
 
@MichaelDodd wut? Mine is still pending. Did you offer bribery?
 
Zoe
Maybe it's magic
 
@Zoe Maybe it's maybelline.
 
Zoe
can't spell maybelline without maybe ;)
 
@rene I couldn't possibly say :)
@Zoe I fear if I ever tried makeup I'd end up looking like Robert Smith from The Cure
I've certainly got the hair for the look
 
12:01 PM
(I'd need a node hammer)
 
Zoe
@MichaelDodd Isn't it still worth trying? :*
 
@Zoe I've been learning some of their stuff on guitar recently, so could always go down the tribute band route :P
On the subject, the Your Name soundtrack is doing wonders for lifting me out of the awful mood I'm in today
though the awful mood probably applies to December as a whole for me so far :/
 
I was just looking at one of my old Answers and saw a Community Bot edit for it, the Bot explains what it does but why has it to be the editor to my post for it to be able to do it?!?
 
Zoe
What do you mean?
 
@Zoe I think aldr is referring to stackoverflow.com/posts/21172348/revisions, on the post itself it says edited by community, but on the history it says edited by URL Rewriter Bot
I don't understand what's being asked though
 
Zoe
12:09 PM
That's still interesting
I thought http -> https always listed as Community
 
@Zoe It does on the post, but the history always says URL Rewriter bot
 
Zoe
I've seen it listed as community in there though. I think anyways
 
@Zoe I thought it did too, now I don't know if I imagined it or if it was changed
 
Zoe
How often does community run the URL rewrite?
 
@aldr "has to" is probably not true but I could imagine a more significant uproar if our posts were edited without any indication that this happened
 
Zoe
12:17 PM
^
 
@Zoe I think it only ran it the once when ssl got set up, now it automatically does it when posts are created, afaik
 
Zoe
Gonna go test it over on meta.SE (in the formatting sandbox). Already got a post up, just waiting for it to run
 
For some reason my cv-pls script isn't showing today
 
@tripleee the answer itself wasnt changed but I see an editor like here stackoverflow.com/questions/32129569/…
when I click at it it telle me to be the community bot yadayadayada but I was wondering why does it have to edit the post, in order to do what it does
 
@Zoe See here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/345012/https-its-time - "Prevent users from embedding new http:// content"
Anyway, home time, have good holidays all, see you in the new year o/
 
12:26 PM
thx nick, have nice holidays cu
 
@NickA be careful with the fireworks ...
 
@rene I won't be near fireworks, I'll need to be careful with the gin though :P
 
:D
 
Ordered 3 bottles of Whitley Neill yesterday (Blood Orange, Raspberry and Rhubarb and Ginger) which are due to arrive tomorrow, so I'll have a good xmas :P, might pop on later, cya
 
@Zoe
yeah your post wasnt edited by the URL rewriter Bot
well I guess its not that a big secret anymore
 
Zoe
12:34 PM
@aldr Could be on a delay
Or it's just generally late with edits
 
true lets be a little bit patient
 
Zoe
I'd assume it doesn't run constantly
 
1:25 PM
I’m SO Close!
 
Morning
 
2:12 PM
 
@Pete please add [tag:cv-pls] to the front of that request, makes it easier to sweep up requests once they're closed
 
@Pete please our FAQ topic on cv-pls formatting: socvr.org/…
 
Gatwick Airport's still closed thanks to one or more idiots
 
2:40 PM
@MichaelDodd Yeah, the world is full of useful tools for idiots
 
With lasers it's relatively easy to find the perpetrator's location. Drones, not so much
 
Just shoot the drones down with lasers. Problem solved.
 
I've got a spare laser going now that my dearly departed cat no longer has a use for it. BRB going to Gatwick.
 
So that as well... so many m****s.
 
@Machavity The core issue here is that in USA, deliverers just leave expensive packages unattended near recepients' property, easy to steal
Here in Czechia, you either get a guy hand it to you against a signature, or a slip to visit your local post office
 
@JohnDvorak Also an issue in the UK with certain delivery companies. Especially when they put your parcel in your weely bin. On bin day.
Nothing puts fear into someone living in the UK more than the word "Yodel"
 
Relying on people's trust in a country where you need a hand-gun otherwise you risk getting killed while doing daily stuff? What could go wrong?
 
Zoe
Nvm, flagging might be easier
 
It's why I have all my online deliveries sent to my workplace
 
2:58 PM
@JohnDvorak Same in the UK. And in France.
@MichaelDodd shivers...
 
@Zoe Yeah, we encourage flagging whenever possible. There's only a few places where you can't flag and need a mod
 
You can always flag
 
@MichaelDodd Can't do that anymore... That was great no need for full Amazon Lockers...
 
@JohnDvorak There's a couple of edge cases where you can't. But it's rare
 
> It can clear out a room in just one spray. So we made a motor that sprays it five times each 30 seconds
 
3:21 PM
 
jww
3:43 PM
@RiggsFolly - More developer to developer crap from Stack Overflow that is simply wrong: Cron jobs present in /etc/cron.* but no cron jobs for any user? I really don't get the policy of "keep all off-topic crap we can get our hands on".
 
4:18 PM
@JohnDvorak Yeah, really makes me want to invest in a secure package drop bin; unmovable, easy to put packages of most size in, impossible to get out without a key to open an access door or something
In the US they do not have any respect whatsoever for package delivery
I try to have everything shipped via FedEx now so that they deliver it to the local Walgreens
that's great for me, since Walgreens is open 24 hours
@M-M not even No MCVE, that's purely Super User
no vba required, involved, or asked about, so I've removed those tags you added last year.
Very bizarre that the post was reopened by none other than Joel Spolsky in 2015
He probably ran into the same issue and abused his employee access due to the fact that he somehow has a different view of how the site should run than how his employees have built it over the last s10 years...
 
user10677470
4:37 PM
someone is indirectly falsely disparaging this room again here read the comments, you will see which one and who it predictably is immediately. If not I have a screenshot for posterity.
 
Mods tend to pick up several R/A flags in quick succession right?
Looks like all questions are in the process of being protected though
 
@JarrodRoberson it is free for everybody to scrutinize the room and its regulars on Meta, that is where meta is for. We need to correct things that are not factual correct and beyond that we'll check if the consensus on Meta (at best reached by well organized answers) makes that we need to adjust the rules that govern this room. What happens in comments can go either way but there is no need to organize a posse or steer the judgement of that post. Let's keep our cool.
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M-M
@TylerH yeah, that's why I posted another question to be on-topic, addressing same problem but in vba (some coding involved) cheers.
 
 
Worth protecting all of that user's questions?
 
@MichaelDodd are there any left?
 
@rene 8 total, only 3 protected so far
Just as a pre-emptive measure since someone is user-targeting
 
And I'll stop flagging for the time being, lest people tell me again that I'm overzealous :} /o
 
@MichaelDodd I would need to downvote his other questions appearantly
 
5:15 PM
@rene 0.o - worth raising a modflag for pre-emptive protection then? I'm guessing posts can only be protected once something's happened
 
@MichaelDodd we're on it and I can reach the user when needed
 
@rene cheers
 
Any question at least a day old can be protected and unprotected by users that have the privilege, provided the question has received at least one answer from a user with less than 10 reputation (such users would then be prevented from posting further answers after the question is protected).
 
Generally - it's kind of best to let the Community user handle auto-protections and then they can be removed later if needed...
 
@JonClements Even if the user in question is being targeted by a specific troll creating a new account each time?
 
5:24 PM
@MichaelDodd I think #3 or #4 deletion will auto-trigger. So they'll lose that access pretty quick with chaining sock puppets like that
 
@MichaelDodd that doesn't necessarily warrants a question being protected - just that a mod needs to know some info to watch out for and get on the delete account button/other measures.
 
5:47 PM
@MichaelDodd I thought it was a promotion of his app or something!
 
jww
It looks like this question could be spam. But OP asked the question and then dropped the spam in an answer using an image: How I make circle imageview with banner in the bottom Android
 
@jww I have no reason to believe OP is spamming, unintentionally or otherwise. To me it just looks like another low-fodder question about "how do I make this layout"?
anyway, that's work done for the year, see you later o/
 
user10677470
6:10 PM
@rene well that is nothing but lies so I would expect that to qualify as "not factually correct"
 
@JarrodRoberson sure, I guess you're able to point that out under that post.
 
6:25 PM
@rene - what post are you referring to? I seem to have missed the start of that conversation ..
 
@JonClements While I agree that letting the mods know about the issue is important, it seems reasonable to me to "protect" such questions, when possible. The person adding the protection, of course, has to do it with the understanding that they take on the responsibility to revisit the question, once the issue has subsided, to remove the protection. To me, preventing additional user targeting seems like a good use of "protection", particularly when the user is the target of a persistent troll.
 
@tink we don't really need more regulars causing a stir on that post so I let you find it on your own, if you don't mind.
 
@rene I have no time or inclination to cause a stir - I'm really just curious. ;) And I'm still learning the ropes here, so guidance by watching would be beneficial.
 
@rene I'll leave it at that, then - thanks anyway :)
 
6:34 PM
@tink you can always watch the activity tab of a user, if you're really curious to see what they have done recently.
 
@rene apparently I have lots to learn - can't see any "recent activity" for you on meta. :)
 
@tink exactly. I followed my own advice and I stayed out of it ...
 
7:31 PM
@tripleee [ov-pls]?
 
over vote
 
7:52 PM
sorry, mobile keyboard /-:
 
You have a mobile keyboard where the O and C are next to each other?
Or is that keyboard so small that it doesn't matter anymore: you'll hit the wrong keys anyway
 
9:23 PM
 
9:48 PM
@Makyen just an FYI: a layout update was made to the question page, breaking a few of my userscripts. You might want to check out the roomba forecaster as it is also broken now
 
@SamuelLiew Thanks for telling me. I had not yet seen it. Darn it. I just updated it a week ago. sigh
 
@SamuelLiew No wonder the cv-pls script was playing up this morning
 
Zoe
Ah, nothing like random updates to SE that breaks every userscript that depends on hard-coded ID's and classes to work .-.
 
probably just some CSS class changes in the post voting sidebar
 
Yeah, it's no big deal, just frustrating. There have been so many incremental changes from SE over the last year, it's been frustrating trying to keep up on all the scripts. Thanks again for telling me.
@MichaelDodd What was happening? Were you using the released version or the alpha version? I'm not sure when they rolled the changes out, but at least for me it only just changed. I have some tabs that I opened not all that long ago which have the older version of the HTML/CSS. Freshly opened tabs break Roomba Forecaster, but I'm not immediately seeing breakage in the Request Generator.
Over the last year, SE has been moving to using the class attribute as if it was a style by defining a single CSS property per class and just adding bunches of classes to each HTML element. IMO, this is completely contrary to the concept of CSS. Is there some larger movement in the industry that I'm not aware of to head in this direction?
 
10:11 PM
Do self accepts stop the roomba?
 
@NathanOliver post a crappy question, let me DV it, and accept your answer
 
@NathanOliver Any accepts do
 
Okay. I'll favorite it and if they self accept before the roomba gets it I'll post a delete request.
nvm, problem solved. Answer was deleted.
 
@NathanOliver The alpha version of the Request Generator has the ability for you to set an automatic revisit to a post at 11 days, 2 days, or an arbitrary number of days, hours, and minutes from the current time. The first time you open a question or suggested edit page after the set date/time, a new tab will be opened with the post for which you scheduled the revisit. Being able to check on things like the OP preventing the Roomba is an expected use-case.
 
Cool
 
10:38 PM
oh. the favourite (star) icon is no longer bright yellow. now it just looks dirty
 
Yuck. It's smaller too.
 
 
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ugh, a new style sheet push
I see you've all discovered it now
one good thing is that the vote count is now expandable in the CV Review Queue so you can see up and down votes on a Q
or maybe that was there before?
 

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