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00:40
In regards to this answer:
The linked guides are apparently the blog/website of the answerer. Should I flag as spam?
@Makyen It won't happen again, if I can remember to not do so.
@Makyen Sorry on that front.
@Daedalus No problem. It happens, from time-to-time. Please do try to remember for next time.
@Makyen You have my word that I will try to remember.
01:05
@Daedalus Good find. Undisclosed affiliation is spam on SO/SE. My personal preference in situations where there are only one or two instances of the user doing so is to leave a comment asking for them to add disclosure (which you've done). Usually I won't spam flag at that time, if the post is a valid post. This one is only marginally better than a link-only answer (it's not quite link-only, so not quite NAA).
Normally, I give the user a day or two to add disclosure, but I'm less inclined to do so here due to the low-quality of the answer.
@Makyen Technically it wasn't my find; the bot notified this room of that answer; I took a look, then suspicion grew when I decided to check what the link had, at which point I discovered several users had the surname of the poster. I copy-pasted the poster's name into the search bar on the website, and that resulted in my further comments.
@Daedalus By "find" I was meaning the info page. I had only gone as far as checking the author of the blog posts which were linked.
@Makyen Ahh, I see.
02:10
Interesting too -- 4 up-votes and 4 down-votes. I don't see this that often
 
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04:54
Hello @all, I'm back.
(and this time it's not an 8-years old question ;))
By the way, I just got 15k, so now I can protect/unprotect questions.
(I'm not sure why the chat is displaying 14.7k)
05:53
@Cœur caching ...
06:21
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I tried but couldn't find the fax phone number ...
 
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07:59
@rene: wait I'll plug my color fax, I'll fax you the number from there.
awesome!
08:22
morning
if I see a question with agressive comments, can I bring it here?
Does anyone have an idea how to close a question that's trying to decode JSON using an XML parser? It has an MCVE, but it's just never going to work.
^ I nominated the wrong duplicate at first, please choose the one in a comment instead
@ErikvonAsmuth doesn't sound close-worthy as such, but I'd love to contribute a downvote (-:
being horribly wrong is not a close reason; being horribly wrong in an interesting way might even invite some inspired and enlightening answers
so maybe no downvote even
08:40
It's just a clueless user. He might not really know those things are different. Unfortunately there's no good canonical for how to parse JSON in VBA... Else he could even get helped by that.
And if anyone is creative enough to get MSXML to parse JSON they have way, way too much time on their hands
@ErikvonAsmuth might be too broad?
@ErikvonAsmuth yeah, I was just think about MSXML having some obscure option to make it process JSON ...
@rene Wut? I didn't know about that!
@ErikvonAsmuth no, it doesn't exist ...
Oh nvm
I've cast a vote but probably leave it outside SOCVR, then the OP might adjust/delete himself and it's well-formatted and not a spam magnet, just very strange.
09:07
o/
Oops, wrong link, @rene can you trash that
@ErikvonAsmuth Is that answer enough of an attempt? Tempted to flag it NAA
09:24
@MichaelDodd It's a comment (checking the header doesn't solve anything, it only provides more info about the problem). I've already flagged NAA.
Best easylist commit ever.... All sites with an N in the name are now spam, including cdn.sstatic.net, and all other .net and .nl sites
@ErikvonAsmuth hahaha, I'm guessing accidental focus on the wrong window when committing?
That said, I run PiHole on my own home network, so I'm guess that's equally succeptable to typos in list updates
10:01
@ErikvonAsmuth looks like it is only an text encoding problem. They tell the component to expect UTF8 while they get ISO-89XX-1 returned. Those don't mix well. It could explain why their ResponseBody is mangled and their ResponseText isn't
@rene I stand by Unclear/Too broad. We still don't even know if OP is trying to get XML or JSON, and that last comment is showing a 500 INTERNAL SERVER ERROR, which indicates the request is invalid, and we can't know why. It's unanswerable for all sorts of reasons now.
Oh, wait, that's the author of the answer, I'm still very much confused....
Morning \0
Darn, had a hard time figuring out what caused .stackoverflow/.stackexchange.com CSS rendering blocked in FF
Turns out it was AdBlock Plus's EasyList filter... had to manual force refresh on it, and voila it works again
10:27
@ErikvonAsmuth yes.
@rene Well, I can write up a general answer about working with the responseBody in VBA (that's just the binary response, not parsed at all, in a bytearray, so if you print that VBA interprets it as an UTF16 string which it nearly never is). But I'm still unsure if it shouldn't just be closed.
I think vtc as unclear is fine
@SmokeDetector Hahaha, on my highest-voted question of all things :)
@SmokeDetector And when translated, it's still NAA. It's a "help me too" post.
@SmokeDetector that has two foreign language-NAAs already. Protect someone?
@MichaelDodd ghe, I hadn't noticed it was your question. Good going with +39, I'll never make such a score in my tag :(
@Adriaan done
10:40
@Adriaan My second highest is +11, so it's my best question by a long stretch
@rene protect is 15k right?
New releases of Android Studio are usually the best time for good new questions in
@MichaelDodd I have a +27 answer, and two +14 ones. Questions I barely do.
I have... eh... a 5?
@Adriaan yep
10:49
@MichaelDodd Care to change the image to text? In general images of text are not acceptable.
(morning, btw)
@toohonestforthissite I have the exact same code in a code block above. The image is a visual indication of what I see in the IDE and is relevant to the question.
@MichaelDodd Hmm, ok. As it seems I should have my morning tea first. :-)
For 10K-ers stackoverflow.com/tools/post-feedback/summary?filter=all underrated and overrated posts ....
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> Total Votes 112.9m 107.0m (94.77%) up / 5.9m (5.23%) down
seriously?
11:00
@Adriaan Deleted posts probably aren't counted
@rene Interesting. A post receiving 3456 anonymous upvotes, and 0 actual ones? SO is a strange place...
@ErikvonAsmuth yeah, keep in mind that feature is deprecated in 2013 so it might not have had functional updates. If some vote types got moved that page probably no longer reflect it I guess.
11:59
@rene: I removed my comment moments before your reply :P
oh
Thanks for not making me look silly
12:28
@Machavity webmasters must be a horrible place; only people asking how to imrpove their Google listing :s
@Adriaan They're the only ones handling SEO
@SmokeDetector gotcha
@Machavity But if one user's web rank improves, wouldn't that push down someone else's ranking, and thus the vicious circle continues? scratches chin
@MichaelDodd SEO is a zero-sum game. So Webmasters is clearly trying to destroy the Internet
@SmokeDetector Why the heck would OP approve vandalism?
12:32
@J.Steen New user? I didn't realise the vandalism was by another user.
@MichaelDodd Definitely new user. Seems... weird anyway. Oh well.
@J.Steen I had this a week or so ago; that was because the OP had made a sock account, and they wanted to delete their Q (which was not possible), by accepting the edit, the sock got 2 rep. They also edited "Thanks" into the other account's posts with the summary "Be polite"
@J.Steen Modflagged the edit suggestion either way.
@Adriaan Yeah, I was wondering if this would be a sock-situation.
@MichaelDodd Seems fair!
12:39
@AndyK You didn't specify a reason you think the question should be closed
@Machavity my reason is homework. Is not a good enough reason?
is this going to stay on stack overflow? This is completely against the whole guidelines of asking questions right? stackoverflow.com/q/51985635/8572813
Purely cause it got 1 upvote that led into a few more, a question that would normally get deleted is going to stay on stack overflow, even though it has duplicates and is a bad question
@Tomm I voted to close to migrate it to dba.se.
@AndyK Btw not all homework questions are off-topic. See: how-do-i-ask-and-answer-homework-questions
12:43
@NathanOliver I when the question got posted immideatly flagged it with very low quality
@AndyK no, homework by itself is not enough. Unclear, too broad, no mcve will all work in combination with that.
@rene let me rephrase then
ok, thanks
@Tomm I've replied directly to your comments, but IMO there's far worse examples out there. If the post provides some sort of useful information, even if the question is not the best quality, it deserves to stay IMO, even if it just stays in a closed state and isn't deleted.
12:46
@AndyK The close reason isn't a tag, ideally the second tag should be the main tag of the post. Put the reason in plain text after the tags
@MichaelDodd done
@MichaelDodd i agree, but its interesting as of so guidelines that this is getting so much exposure, 1 google search result gave me a bag full of answers
@AndyK e.g. [tag:cv-pls][tag:html] No MCVE <url>
13:26
Any PHP and/or ruby dupe hammers around? This looks like wrong direction dupe indeed
I barely find questions tagged and suitable for SO, yet they keep coming at a machine gun rate...
13:47
@techraf isn't that tooling used by a dev?
I mean, if I see Hanselman demo it, I know SO will be flooded
@rene I did not say Kubernetes is not a tool, I said the majority of questions is either VLQ, or networking/administration.
> Kubernetes is an open-source platform designed to automate deployment, scaling, and operation of application containers, across multiple hosts and/or clouds. Questions should pertain to the scripting part. Questions about configuring servers should be asked on serverfault.com or superuser.com
it's explained fairly well in tag info
@techraf that is probably true
@PetterFriberg tag info. Is that the valuable source of information New Contributors seldom see?
@rene :) I would be happy if they at least saw this Ask questions, get answers, no distractions
specially no distractions
waves hand at New Contributor ....
13:54
@Cerbrus My question is not a duplicate of Should I flag a question as duplicate if it has received better answers?, it asks what to do if a dupe direction is wrong not about if a better question should be considered dupe or not.
Yeah we are slowly walking away from this objective
but I will just stay quite, not sure any type of feedback is actually constructive anymore, there need to be someone that listen on the other part
@Zhigalin How is a "wrong" dupe not the same as "there's a better dupe"?
The fact that there's a better dupe makes the dupe target "wrong".
If I tag a user in this chat room, who is not in the room, will they be notified?
@AdamUraynar nope
@AdamUraynar Depends on their recent activity.
13:58
@AdamUraynar if you there name while writing @ they will...
If I leave the room now, and you @mention me, I will still get a notification.
What if you were never active in the room?
@Zhigalin maybe @Machavity can have a look at the original problem
Just active answering/asking questions.
Then no, you need to see there name while trying to ping
13:59
Damn
Thanks!
Also, random pings generally aren't appreciated.
@AdamUraynar You can check if they are active in any room https://chat.stackoverflow.com/users/{iduser}, but yeah watch out pinging people they may not appreciated it so be gentle
Thanks again.
got a little bonus on tomorrow's paycheck... $700 - half from the company and half from our department... 44.5% of it withheld in taxes T_T better than nothing, but still that's frustrating to see
and other half by wife
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14:05
@Zhigalin I do agree the two dupes needed reversing so I did that
Room meeting is tomorrow. Today is the last day for RO Nominations and meeting topics.
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@Cerbrus it's not about the "better" dupe, it's about an original swapped with a dupe, and the system not letting me flag it
@Zhigalin why can't you flag it?
I think he means as duplicate... not custom mod flag
@rene it says 'This closure would result in the 'duplicate of' navigation only leading in a circle.'
14:09
which was correct... hence the other dupe needs to be removed first..
@Zhigalin I meant you need to raise a moderator flag. The "In need of moderator intervention" option
that is also what the answer on the duplicate tries to explain
Rather badly I realize now
The duplicate is not really good, it's not explaining this case... there is probably a better dupe on meta, anyway I'm voting to reopen.
This is about "I can't flag", the other one is about "Should I flag if I find"
yeah, I'm not thrilled either and I can't edit the answer into shape
I don't get why you vote to re-open an obvious dupe.
@PetterFriberg I hammered it open
14:13
(thanks madara for the unfreeze)
If you do, at least find a proper dupe target.
Now you're just enabling the duplication of content.
Also, since when is the SOCVR handling meta?
@rene I think that the custom mod flag is slower and it would be nice to have something like "invert dupe" flag or like so.
Dupes are something you should bother a mod with in the first place. The community can handle those just fine.
I agree with that, that's also a reason that a specific answer would be better.
@Cerbrus either that or someone can answer...
Again, enabling duplication of content.
There
A proper target.
14:17
of what content?, use custom mod flag... baah maybe meta needs a canonical, then it could make sense, but as it is it's just confusing to hand waving contributors
Ron
Ron
o/
So, please re-close this question, I've provided a proper dupe target in the comments. (cc @rene)
@Cerbrus We do not moderate Meta here
Also that Q is not the same as Zhig's anyway
@TylerH: That question was reopened because of this room.
Then this room can re-close it.
@Cerbrus That's not how rules work
14:21
Oh bullshit
You don't get to break one because one was broken in the past
If this room doesn't moderate meta, that question shouldn't have been touched.
smells wolf bites
That rule works both ways or not at all, @TylerH.
People are always free to take action on their own, which is what it looks like happened with the re-opening. Though I agree that Zhig's original message should have been moved to the Sanitarium
However, you are explicitly asking for a Meta Q to be closed (wrongly)
14:23
The re-opening was request, dicussed and acted upon from this room.
@Cerbrus OP entered and ask, yes my fault that I told I did not agree with duplicate, but I'm not sure why you like to point your feet down, find a dupe that people are happy with or answer it
@Cerbrus It was only discussed by you and the OP
because we are human?
This is absolutely ridiculous.
14:24
Language please
Oh yea, flag that.
I'm not insulting anyone
@Cerbrus vulgar language can be/is insulting in a professional setting.
@Cerbrus what's up why so angry, it's just a question (edit the message someone flagged it)
@PetterFriberg I'm angry because of the hypocricy here.
@PetterFriberg It's likely an auto-flag.
14:26
@Machavity beat me by 2 seconds in posting that, dang user script...
@TylerH bwahahahahahaha So sorry there, old chap
@Cerbrus I'm going to manually delete that (so delete the message without the auto-suspension), please keep your language neutral :)
@Cerbrus you know, you're being really unwelcoming
@Cerbrus here? I think you are raging about a symptom. Whatever it's worth: you have my full sympathy, though.
@Zhigalin don't give me that spiel.
14:27
@Cerbrus I agree with the hypocrisy observed. Vulgar language isn't allowed for good reasons tho.
@rene I edited the question, this way is better?
@Cerbrus I have not tried to be that, I'm sorry I stated I did not agree with dupe, but it was not target against anyone, it was just my taughts that slip away, but I think you are making a mess out of nothing. It looks like you are angry because someone reopended what you close (hence did not agree with you)
They drag me into this room
Whine about the closure
This room acts on that
But when i find a better target, I get the "We don't touch meta" nonsense
@Zhigalin No need to pour oil onto fire
That's hypocritical.
14:29
@Zhigalin Now it's the longtime established users who are unwelcomed in many ways.
@Cerbrus whine about the closure?, is that your way of expressing that no one can disagree?
@Cerbrus First of all, the question was wrongly closed by you; it's not a dupe of either the first or the new question you have posted. Second, we don't moderate meta, even if sometimes things slip through the cracks, that doesn't mean it's a reason for you to violate the rule in retaliation. "The room" didn't act on it. One user did, without participating in the discussion between you and OP who pinged you. Finally, as has been said, your reaction is way over the top here (hence the flags).
Hey folks, let's stop flagging stuff. The language was dealt with. We don't need bans in the middle of a discussion
@PetterFriberg Oh you know what I'm saying here. Don't argue semantics.
@Cerbrus Calm down, or take a break, please.
14:30
Hmm, i just had to double-check I'm not in the PHP or JS room …
RO MESSAGE: Lets just stop this right now. This isn't productive or helping.
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@TylerH Two users.
@Cerbrus I'm not sure I feel your angry, the second dupe you purpose seems as the first one, am I wrong?
One of them an RO
Oh no!
I got pulled into it!
14:37
Hm read-only message up there
Ron
Ron
A stray mosquito kept me up all night.
My productivity at works suffers.
The mosquito hums
Slumber was lacking last night
I can't work like this
@Cerbrus no, that answer is not answering the question.
Let's drop that subject, hm?
I mean, sorry for kinda blowing off the hook there. Older frustrations with certain aspects of this room were triggered, and I kinda lost it. That's my bad. I'll leave it at that.
I'd say group hug, but that went badly last time we tried that with an animal
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14:45
@Machavity Not since the incident.
@Cerbrus fair enough
I also for sure, I can't care less about a single question on meta
14:58
@Zhigalin speed is not a critical factor here. We need to get it right, which is what most of us care about, so much that it sometime heats-up a bit.
@Zhigalin If speed is of importance to you, work towards closing privileges and and gold badges in the tags that matter to you
Did you notice how quickly @Machavity resolved the situation? He isn't a moderator, he can't see flags. He's got a gold PHP badge and so can single handedly mark/unmark duplicates on that tag.
or just become a mod in next mod election :)
Moderators are exception handlers, we handle the escalated situations that the community cannot. And a community the size of Stack Overflow generates a lot of exceptions.
If you elevate an issue to us, you have to take into consideration that the flag queue is vast and full of terrors.
@MadaraUchiha which is how I started 2 hours ago: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/43697298#43697298 ... but that is all in vain ...
I think these duplicate meta actually should not advise to raise moderators flags, locate relevant chat room, ping hammer who has closed would be better option, mod flags is the last thing you should do.
15:07
probably yes
@rene Feel free to ping me if you need a PHP hammer. Petter did a few mins later. Missed that first one of yours
@Machavity Okay, I have a blind spot for PHP.
Or me, in additional to being a mod, I also have the PHP badge 😃
ruelz ruelz it against SOCVR ruelz we can't ping you :)
@MadaraUchiha I'm just surprised you don't yet have the badge...
15:11
@TylerH I have , close enough
(I wish I was joking)
hehe
@TylerH only 5 gold badge holder on 27k questions?
@Adriaan that should speak volumes :-)
@NathanOliver whoop, the other two who have the 1k score haven't answered enough questions. Man, if only that could happen in ...
15:15
:)
+20 score/answer average o.0 I'm on +2, and that's including the rep gained from upvotes, so probably it's even less than that
@TylerH I hammered it
another happy landing :-)
@MadaraUchiha In Python Exceptions are part of the normal programming practice, i.e. you expect them to occur for normal program flow, not just … exceptional ;-)
15:48
@SotiriosDelimanolis what do you think of the suggested dupe?
@TylerH That user hammered then reopened. I trust them.
@SotiriosDelimanolis Ah
user3956566
for some reason this joke made me think of this room.. hm can't imagine why :D
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If you find out, do tell
Ron
Ron
Haha, nice one.
user3956566
16:01
I miss our rick rolls in here.
I posted an answer on a question. The question has been closed as duplicate but I think my answer is better than the one choosen. (Of course the question and my answer were posted before the one selected) Do you think that its bad behavior to vote to reopen?
@Steve Can you adapt your question to work for the duplicate?
@Steve If it is a duplicate you should not reopen, mostly it's a question now which is the best duplicate, maybe you could solve the problem by moving your answer to duplicate
Adapting it means just adding pictures, oh well, look at here stackoverflow.com/questions/51909462/…
@YvetteColomb Like this one?
16:15
@Steve not sure that's complex stuff to know which dupe is best (your has more votes and was first), but since no domain knowledge I don't know, clearly you can't either move answers. I'm sorry for me it's hard to advice, maybe improve the answer even more (to be more general), leave the Italian stuff as an appendix and then switch'em
but yeah I really don't know
Does this Q look like spam? Discloses ownership but still seems to be aimed at getting clicks
@Machavity Had a similar thing yesterday, consensus was "soft spam", close and let roomba do its thing
@Machavity yeah it does, but I'm just close voting and waiting for roomba, if you 20K don't like to delete it on sight
@PetterFriberg looks a lot like spam... gone now
Yeah 20K delete with a spam flag on it
16:20
too late for a spam flag now... sorry
na it was perfect according to me, good use of close votes and 20K delete privs and we kept the mods sleeping :)
:) count on me I like deleting crap. What's the use getting 20k+ else?
@Machavity you can ask charcoal to watch that url... because if they return it's really time spam nuke'em
@PetterFriberg Makyen's already ahead of you on that one
16:25
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'd CVed as "unclear", not "no mcve", but that one should stay closed. Maybe POB if the clarification is "why does fo.write not return a boolean value. Looks like some C&P code from somewhere without language basics.
np, that's why people can vote ... or not.
seriously, who upvotes such typos???
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Indeed. It's not like they could be useful to any future readers. But it's gone now. :)
yeah :) I mean I don't mind interesting typos, but that one is detected by compiler warnings. So not very useful to repeat to turn on the warnings over and over
@toohonestforthissite That's not exactly a resource request. They're just trying to find out if it's a well-known checksum algorithm. But I guess that's still off-topic for SO.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You want me to be honest? Unfortunately I can't :-P
16:41
@πάνταῥεῖ just try to be honest and polite. That should work.
@JimGarrison snap
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Sometimes there's no ways to be polite, and I'll simply better shutup.
In real life, angry lookings and eye-rolling work, but not here.
The problem with typo questions is that if you have an error caused by a typo you don't know what to search for until after the typo has been spotted. So they're effectively impossible to search for. So there's no point keeping them for future readers.
But that doesn't mean we can't offer the OP any assistance. In the Python room, our policy is to close-vote and point out the typo in a comment. But if it's a complex issue that can't be explained in a sentence or two then a full answer is permissable.
@PM2Ring He's asking for a similar algorithm, which is in ther close-cathegory "resource request". But I'm fine if you see it as a GMTC and close as TB, as long it's being closed, because it's clearly OT.
Already closed.
16:47
@Jean-FrançoisFabre It does not work if honesty itself is received as being unfriendly. Not as long as such completely subjective terms are flag reasons.
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@toohonestforthissite But he isn't asking for any code.
Um, already closed?
@PM2Ring And that's a silly action, if you're about coding
@PM2Ring Maybe I'm just good at anticipating and reading between the lines. I've had way too much such openings irl to know where they lead. We call it (literally translated) "to talk around the hot mash", i.e. not getting straight to the point, but letting the other side guess what one actually wants.
There's ways to fix that.
16:53
@πάνταῥεῖ Oh, I agree it's not clear what he wants. My guess is that he's either seen it in some code, or he just thought it up, and wants to know if it's a well-known algorithm. There are tons of checksum and related algorithms out there (non-crypto hashes and random number generators), and their properties have been studied extensively. So it's not unreasonable to find out if such an algorithm has a name if you want to study it or use it.
@PM2Ring Most typos are in fact just not understanding the copiler/interpreter error message. I'm sorry to say that's often (not always) just lack of reading compentence or unwillingness to just search for the invariant part of the message text on google, as modern translators' messages are often clear enough. I don't consider this a programming-only problem.
@toohonestforthissite Sure. It takes a while for newbies to learn how to read error messages. They can be pretty intimidating and highly technical when you're new. And I guess it's not obvious to newbies that the root cause of a typo may be on a line prior to the one that triggers the error. FWIW, we get lots of typo questions in Python because incorrect indentation can cause errors, and this tends to trip up a lot of newbies.
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