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05:08
^user is actually giving userid/pwd to what looks like a test link o_O.. thats new
05:43
Does this look like Super User question? stackoverflow.com/questions/45251015/…
06:11
who the f upvotes that stuff
 
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07:37
@SurajRao uploadify is a jQuery plugin. Fixing bugs / configuration is on-topic. That the plugin relies on external components is a pity but doesn't make it OT.
the cv-pls plugin doesn't seem to like it if I select somebody else's "I'm voting to close this because (other)"
07:56
@tripleee it probably detects it as plagiarism ;)
08:15
o/
@tripleee Yes, there is a version in development which will handle it.
@Makyen oh, great!
08:53
this spammer incidentally found a bunch of duplicates, do we have any hammers here? metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/domains/24845
oh sry you probably can't view that unless you are a regular Charcoal user
"send smtp mail in PHP" posts: 1 2 3 4
@tripleee @Machavity has one IIRC
better link to the actual questions directly actually: 1 2 3 4
whoa, I was suddenly logged out of Stack Exchange and can't log back in ....!?
it routes me back to Stack Overflow where I am already logged in obviously
works now, nvm
09:24
I'm gunna ask this question again because I'm never sure. ^this SD is "abusive" of SO's Q&A structure isn't it and should be flagged as either abusive or NAA correct?
@NickA yes
@NickA Plain nonsense should be flagged rude/abusive. Things that are not an answer (comments, please help, etc.) are NAA
Undo will mark that flag helpful
YMMV
@rene @ErikvonAsmuth Thanks both. YMMV?
Do note that vandalising an answer that you intend to delete in a second isn't an abuse
09:31
I assume YMMV = Your ??? May Vary?
^ Yes, true, but those should be rolled back. Vandalism doesn't warrant any flags
Rob
Rob
mileage
@ErikvonAsmuth Unless it's repeated multiple times, at which point mod flag?
Yup, but afaik it auto-raises a content disputed flag too, so you might not even have to.
@feelingunwelcome a question you dupe hammered is brought up on meta with a reasonable looking argument. If you can manage to provide constructive and welcoming feedback to that new meta contributor, please do so. If not, please do meh.
10:22
morning all
just after lunch ...
I had a quick lunch, about 130 Km/h
still 11:25am here, though feels like about 10am :/
Got in late due to traffic, and spent the past hour picking through a new contract
@rene Lunch on a train?
@MichaelDodd Yeah, I brought my own, nothing fancy, I'm not that posh
I'm passing the Ijsel right now, I'm near my destination
@rene Ah fair enough. There's a few really lovely lunch shops at Taipei Main station for taking away for your journey. Far better than what you find at pretty much any British Rail station...
(I say British Rail as if it's not been gone for the past 25 years)
@TylerH The OP was asking about performance regarding rvalue references, that's why I've chosen that as dupe.
user8682794
10:40
<-- ding ding - 5K!
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@PearlySpencer congrats
Nice, congrats. Keep on going.
user8682794
thanks guys!
11:49
the CoC doesn't prevent us from downvoting stuff like this, does it ...? stackoverflow.com/a/52003712/874188
@tripleee No, you're always free to downvote however you like
barring serial etc. ofc
@tripleee Nope, doesn't stop us flagging comments posted as an answer as NAA either.
@tripleee Although I might suggest you clarify your comment to be asking a new question as opposed to asking one as an answer
hmmmm, let's hope that particular detail doesn't need further clarification (-:
I hope not, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised :)
12:18
@tripleee Hammered three. One was closed and needs deletion
@PearlySpencer exact 5 stars so I will not star and destroy that, but anyway congrats! and continue on to the magic 10K of deleted posts.
@tripleee The new CoC is just supposed to make personal interactions better. Voting and flagging is anonymous so it isn't covered.
12:58
@NathanOliver So we can still act like a voting ring, as long as we're not actually a voting ring?
Do we act like a voting ring?
@NathanOliver Nah, but we talk about not acting like one a lot and yet people keep saying we are. Funny thing is we're obsessed with not being one
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@PetterFriberg thanks! this is going to take awhile though as my tag is small
@PearlySpencer no worries slow but constant, nothing as a small tag, I'm also into that ;)
@Machavity OK. Group moderation just makes some people nervous. I guess they think it gives us too much power which I get. If we wanted to we could do some serious damage. Luckily we have a lot of good people in here that self police and it hasn't been an issue. We can't win everyone over but the fact that mods come into the room and ask for help makes me feel like SO is okay with us, as long as we use our power for good.
13:11
@NathanOliver Yeah, we're beyond reproach and I'd like to keep it that way
In other news, we seem to have a lot of people (more than the usuals) chipping in on burninating the value tag
Me too. As long as we keep going like we have I don't foresee any issues.
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@PetterFriberg 🔥
@PearlySpencer Congrats
@πάνταῥεῖ Regarding which question? Sorry I don't recall
@TylerH for(auto && a: c)
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@TylerH thanks ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
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13:55
General @PearlySpencer ----^
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@kayess haha more like High Steward :-P
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Sounds more appropriate: His High Stewardness Pearly Spencer
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for Stack Overflow anyway hahah
lol
@πάνταῥεῖ that still doesn't help me :-)
do you have a link?
14:04
Not important. The question is deleted now anyways.
user8682794
is it appropriate to flag a question for deletion? using the "in need of moderation intervention" flag?
No
user8682794
okie dokie
10K+ users can delete questions so it is not something a moderator needs to do. You can make a [del-pls] request here if you feel it really needs it.
user8682794
14:09
@NathanOliver yes i know that, was just curious
Only if the reason for deletion is abuse or plagiarism, stuff like that. Basically where a mod doesn't need to think: is it OK to delete this?
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@rene yes, that makes sense
@ ROs - can someone update the pinned message about the room meeting? (It's today, not tomorrow)
@E_net4 Eh, "is there a different way" is not really opinion-based... either there is or there isn't.
Imagine the horrors of accidentally playing a private video of laser pointers being waved around everywhere with the volume maxed out, in a public area
14:22
The room meeting is at 19:00 UTC (today Friday 24th of August @TylerH)
@TylerH Depends on your area, though. If you're in Singapore, it's tomorrow
@TylerH Right, I'm a bit torn here. Too Broad might be a better close reason.
@ErikvonAsmuth fair point
@E_net4 Yeah, I was leaning toward "unclear" myself since OP hasn't explained a problem or reasoning
(hence my comment under OP)
@rene Might be a bit late depending on traffic, but I'll pop in when I'm home
please do. It is important ...
14:26
sudo convert 1900UTC to EST
1400 I think
1500
oh, actually you are right Michael. It is 1500 EDT (which we are in right now)
but 1400 EST
that was in the original announcement from your favorite RO
The scheduling page of the chatroom tells you what it is in your local timezone
What a mess, I see. Maybe next time you folks should schedule the meeting in UGT.
14:30
@rene wait, Tiny is back?
@rene Aha, I'll definitely be there then. Got my time difference the wrong way round (thought it was 1800 BST, in fact it's 2000 BST)
@TylerH :D
@E_net4 Heh, for some reason that reminds me of years ago when I was still working on a TES3 mod project. We had two users, Stalker and Zephyr, who were big contributors, but one lived in Ukraine and the other in Finland. To help us remember that they were 7 hours ahead of east coast time, we named their timezone SZT - Stalker Zephyr Time
@TylerH Seriously Zoned Time :+1:
@MichaelDodd BST - Beyond Star Trek? I thought that's "TO" - The Orville now.
14:33
@MichaelDodd Don't forget to register yourself!
@toohonestforthissite British Summer Time. An oxymoron.
@TylerH Done, cheers for the reminder
@MichaelDodd Ah, like "a funny German";-)
@E_net4 I have edited the Python global vars question after a response from OP
thoughts?
@toohonestforthissite Now now, I was certainly laughing at the South Korea game at the World Cup :)
Something was coming home there ....
14:37
@MichaelDodd Well, I could have also written "a direct speaking Californian", but I thought I stay in Europe. Long lives wrong cultural prejudice.
@TylerH It looks better, but the code doesn't help much. We can't tell what's preventing them from just having the closure capture the dynamic value.
14:51
:( Office coffee machine just broke. Programming efficiency dropping drastically.
Solution: 7/11
@ErikvonAsmuth I can see the headlines now: The office manager has declared a state of emergency and called in the national guard. A new machine is being brought in by armed escort to ensure and orderly coffee distribution once services have been restored.
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@NathanOliver That does sound like the only reasonable reaction
@NathanOliver It was escorted by 3-star bucks?
better than 3-star programmers ;)
15:01
I have been on a salad diet for 1 week
my tummy feels funny
@Compass I'm amazed cats eat salad. Mine would just look at me in disgust with a look of "what's this disgrace you're serving me?"
Put a salmon on top
That's not a salad then. That's salmon on a bed of greens ;)
@NathanOliver Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers
^ That request I posted is now SO Jeopardy. We have an answer, but what is the question? :)
15:15
@E_net4 looks like OP may have solved their own problem
@SmokeDetector That's NAA / VLQ
15:31
@TylerH So I noticed. What a mess. :(
heh
I'm trying to understand what's going on here.
@E_net4 I'd argue the Unclear closure is correct. OP states the expected output, but doesn't state what the current output is. If the output is the same as what's expected, then what is the question?
If OP adds the current behaviour, then I'd cast a vote to reopen
16:03
No need to request access in meeting room, correct?, you will make it public when you start?
@PetterFriberg There will be the ominous growing numbers when it's time to start
yeah true it's in 3h... why the heck did I get a notification now... (and I was not the only one I saw a lot of people entering :)
@PetterFriberg yep
@PetterFriberg I guess the system wants us to be prepared. :-)
I saw the notice... but the "trying to annoy" made me want to click the button :), I mean who does not want to try that...
16:11
I can kick you here ... if that is what you want to try ...
If that annoy's you its fine by me :)
ggrrnmmmblll
@FireAlarm mcve
@PetterFriberg Unrecognized command mcve; did you mean alive?
@PetterFriberg You need to use a Major Command Validation Engine to do that
16:14
I push a FR to NobodyNada to remove that message.. it feels naturally to respond.
\o/ SOCVR discussion starting in a few hours, I've requested access (Erik the Outgolfer, as I'm known over Chat.SE)
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος Please read the message here. The message was posted after you made your request for access.
@Makyen ah, my request was probably the reason...still, sorry for annoying you @rene!
16:26
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/43711676#43711676 we are all happy you did :)
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος Well, yes it was the reason, but the request was understandable, particularly for someone who has not previously participated in a SOCVR room meeting. We probably should have had a notice there already. Part of the reason we did not have one yet was that we weren't expecting a general reminder to be sent by the SE chat system this far in advance of the meeting.
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος BTW: Were you notified when your request was declined? I ask, because I'm interested in knowing if the chat system provides such a notification.
@Makyen no, you're not notified of declines, but the "request access" button appears again
(yes, the page is refreshed)
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος Thanks, good to know.
16:47
wow, FireAlarm has gotten a revamp, beautiful new avatar
17:12
I think the last one explains all that needs explanation...
18:04
@Makyen if you want me to test I volunteer to ping all RO with a nice banner top of browser:)
Too broad? :), probably unclear or mcve
@HovercraftFullOfEels I'm looking at the answer and can't understand too broad seems like he needed to enable it in build
kubernetes...
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@PetterFriberg A close vote statistically speaking
@techraf sponsored tag so leave that taught...
@techraf I have that on my radar to learn. Having a go at Docker Swarm for now, doesn't make my brain melt so much
18:15
@halfer how to you find all urgent questions? SO search?, SEDE? Or bot
@PetterFriberg Yes, just bookmarks at present. I vaguely have in mind an app to do it for me (partly also to learn some new web frameworks!) but have not got around to that yet.
@PearlySpencer seems interesting but I can't really understand your comment
I am pondering something that calls SEDE on a queue so as not to get caught in the rate limiter.
Hmm maybe you could use or new bot frame work, we are developing a configurable bot.. I will speak some with BR later
@PetterFriberg I think we've probably tested that one enough. :-)
18:24
@PetterFriberg You're right, I misread the question. Is there a way for a RO to remove my request?
@Makyen: thank you
@HovercraftFullOfEels np. Anytime.
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@PetterFriberg i am full of interesting ideas today that no-one seems to understand. must be because i hit 5k haha
18:36
instantly downvotes one of @PearlySpencer's answers to drop them below 5k again
:43713076 please no, one-boxes of images are still disallowed
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@rene there problem solved
I see ... or I don't see ... which is what I prefer
@rene How can you see... when you're a blurry flower with no eyes?
It is magic
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19:13
@feelingunwelcome this one has a bounty
19:41
@gunr2171 please also add my response to Makyen
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this was my first meeting. went pretty fast haha
we're not done yet!
Yeah, gunr might recovah
@gunr2171 And isgunrinameeting.xyz is accurate, I'm so proud :-)
:)
and good news, I renewed it for another year
19:47
huzzah
what's the annual cost? $20?
I hope not. My .info domain is like $11/year
@Machavity xyz is a little more popular than .info IIRC but there's also the cost of hosting, not just domain re-registration
Ah, true
Been using the AWS free tier for a bit
gunr self medicates self hosts
@NathanOliver $0.0012/kwh eh?
19:49
@TylerH $13
I see costs are going up
@TylerH Whats a few kilowatt hours among friends ;)
@NathanOliver 1e-9 BTC mined
Congratulations to our new RO: Machavity
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that's nanobitcoins, baby
Congrats!
Oh wow. Thank you all! shiny new italicized name
Well deserved, congrats
19:51
@Machavity I need to refresh... your still old dear Mac to me :)
Not italicized here yet, so I choose not to recognize your status!
your choice is invalid as long as you aren't updated about the facts!
@Machavity you have a room invite
The facts have never hindered me in my beliefs
@gunr2171 Bleh. That was the ping right as the screen refreshed
19:53
@Machavity Congrats
Wait a minute, I thought Mach was already an RO
@Machavity Oh, they eventaully managed to italicise your name? Oh, wait, you haven't been RO before. congrats! - where's the champagne?
@Machavity Congrats and welcome to the team. Hers's your mop ;)
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@Machavity Congratulations
Seriously how did I miss an RO nomination and vote
19:55
Not sure. It was pinned for over a week
@TylerH Gunr's pin was kinda long. It did cut off the GH link
I must live in an alternate timeline
I didn't see anything on GH either
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@Machavity congrats!!
@TylerH I thought you just didn't want to run...
@Machavity Congrats, even though I thought you already were an RO
@gunr2171 Not sure if I would have self-nominated or not
I'm just so confused how I missed it
maybe I was drugged
19:58
@Machavity Congratulations!
@TylerH I ran last year too. Makyen won, and it was a good pick
@Machavity you should have 2 emails so far
@TylerH it was this message: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=43633981#43633981 it was pinned and starred
@rene Well I'll be
you'll be what?
19:59
better when I'm older?
your crying shoulder?
user8682794
do all meetings go so fast?
Wait a minute, this isn't the Poets repo
@PearlySpencer No
user8682794
the whole thing felt a bit overwhelming
they are usually all slotted for an hour but we often have many more topics
@PearlySpencer I think that's the first time we ended in under an hour
20:01
this time we were able to have 10 minutes per topic
as opposed to other times when we take 10 minutes per topic no matter how long gunr gives us... :-)
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i just had difficulty contributing because i had no time to think
user8682794
i guess this works best with some prior preparation
Ah. Well, if it makes you feel better, for next time you can always respond to the proposals earliy
@TylerH and I did post this on tuesday: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=43662542#43662542 but that didn't pick up stars. I'm not that star worthy
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will know for next time
20:02
We run a tight ship in our meetings. If we didn't gunr would never get to do anything.
@PearlySpencer github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/room-meeting-topics/issues here is where they are posted
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yes i understand @NathanOliver
@feelingunwelcome Unfortunately, with a bounty there's nothing we regular users can do to close this question. If you feel strongly that the question should be closed, you can raise a custom moderator flag asking them to remove the bounty (and close the question). Once the bounty ends, feel free to re-post a request here. For now, I'm going to move this request out, because there's nothing we can do to act on it.
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null
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@Makyen Is that a new room or the former sanitarium?
20:17
@toohonestforthissite sanitarium renamed
For reasons of kindness?
@NathanOliver Ah, so it was done finally. I remember there was a discussion some months ago.
@toohonestforthissite Former Sanitarium. Same room, different name. I'm assuming that people are staring it due to the name change, not that your request was moved. If the stars bother you, I'm happy to clear them.
Yeah. We just had a room meeting and voted on the new name
I noticed that there was a RM, but missed to attend.
20:22
@Makyen Why would I care about the stars. I just remembered the discussion about renaming the sanitarium some months ago because someome didn't like the name (not sure, maybe some "unwelcoming" thingie because inmates of sanitariums could feel offended by the name).
@Makyen:_ You know, like youtube.com/watch?v=bKLo-jzizdg (no rick-roll … promise!)
@toohonestforthissite Some people might not like it. I thought you would be OK, but it's better to check.
@πάνταῥεῖ yes
@Makyen As a dev, I'm actually less sure I'm happy with the null association. But, hey, I can live with it giggli-giggli-yo
@toohonestforthissite :-)
20:35
such a good job with the mop ;)
Not really; he missed where I spilled my champagne. Is there some RO bootcamp?
Yes. rene made me do 20 pushups with 5 potted plants on my back
@toohonestforthissite Hmmm... OK. I don't have any negative associations with it, but I can accept that you might.
OTOH, that might just be a null pointer. :-)
@Machavity potted? Did the plants become lighter during the excercise?
@Makyen Well, just to avoid a serious missunderstanding: I'm kidding. But fyi: A "null" is someone getting nothing done or understood. Sorry, I thought the idea was portable between (western human) languages:-)
Ok, the English term seems to be "dead loss".
I'm glad we changed the name to something more offensive ...
20:48
@rene Meh, only for Germans as it appears. And were are used to it :-)
At least until the next meeting, which is scheduled to never
Next room meeting has been scheduled for 6 to 8 eternities from now.
How about "Room for everything we have no idea where else we can dump it"?
too long, this is not twitter
I always wondered why The Terminator says "Talk to the hand". It should have been "Talk to /dev/null" maybe TheHand is a hardlink?
21:08
@toohonestforthissite Ahhh.. I've seen that used, but it's not something common here, at least in my circle. I must admit, I hadn't shortened it from /dev/null in my mind, or at least all of the programming/computer (unix) based associations are vastly stronger for me.
@toohonestforthissite :-)
@rene Just be glad we did not change the name to "SOCVR Roundup"...
:D
@Makyen Well, as a Linux user, I would really have a problem feeling offended each time I send something into nirvana ;-) I just thought I try to adopt to the site and try to feel offended most often and by even the faintest association. It doesn't work. I'm afraid I'm too hadened by my education.
22:02
Hi everyone
@sismaster Hi
Thanks bro i am having one question hope someone can answer here
what is $k$60 in excel ?
I believe its Col K Row 60 address of the current table
@sismaster Have you tried over on Super User? They answer stuff like that all the time
22:05
@πάνταῥεῖ but that can be written as K60
@sismaster Isn't it a range in excel formulas?
@sismaster Well, in LibreOffice it's an absolute address, i.e. it's not subject to change if you e.g. copy the cell to another one. It should be mentioned in the documentation/integrated help (that's where I found in in LO, though).
I will check now thanks @toohonestforthissite
22:44
@JimGarrison We have this already
@toohonestforthissite Sorry
23:18
@Machavity To add up: You're playing the mob excellently :3
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23:54
just reached my daily voting limit oops

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