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Out of curiosity, what do the CMs actually mostly do?
 
5:05 AM
Good morning
 
@InsaneCat shubh prabhat pranipat
 
yoooo :)
 
 
3 hours later…
Morning
 
Morning o/
 
8:30 AM
o/
 
Ron
8:45 AM
o/
I too don't understand the std::promise in C++. Life is good.
 
My head is till spinning from working with WPF :(
 
@AndréKool whats wrong?
 
9:00 AM
@kayess Having to do things that are not really standard in WPF. I got it to work eventually but having to climb the visual tree is irritating
 
@AndréKool as in xaml parts?
 
@kayess It's self promoting
 
@kayess Yeah, and having to work with that in the code behind
@kayess It does disclose affiliation and it also answers the question so that's a no on spam for me.
 
I just reached my first 20 UV answer
 
9:16 AM
@NickA Nice
 
@NickA good
 
Congrates @NickA
 
@NickA Put on some good sun cream.
 
Arghhh, the pings
 
9:25 AM
@NickA You know saying something like that only causes more pings?
 
@AndréKool Only from you it seems frowns
 
Ron
@NickA Stay strong ;)
 
@NickA pings?
 
10:05 AM
@kayess How is the question programming related? Imo it's asking about maintaining a server framework -> server admin.
 
10:20 AM
Weight loss spam --> Time for lunch :D
 
Ron
10:37 AM
Can someone put a lock on edits?
The OP is performing questionable rollbacks imho.
 
@Ron I think mods can, but I think that locks the entire post
 
Ron
@AndréKool I see. Thanks.
 
Can someone explain this edit to me
 
Ron
@NickA The layout changed. The content seems to have remained the same. I know nothing on the subject tho.
 
That's an invalid edit.
 
Ron
10:44 AM
With an exception of that I believe that OP... sentence.
 
If they didn't use "I think OP meant" and just used what they thought OP meant, nobody would have noticed.
 
@Ron The matrix wasn't part of the question before, that was inserted rather than formatted
 
Ron
True. All Greek to me.
 
Rollback and ping editor or?
 
Eh. I'd let the flames die down and wait for Roomba.
 
10:48 AM
(Y) sounds good
 
Actually... delv'd
 
Pancakes
 
reviewed leave closed
 
Gone now @AndréKool
 
@AndréKool the question is deleted now
 
Ron
10:51 AM
@AndréKool And some donuts with chocolate cream.
I once ate two of them. Almost started hallucinating afterwards.
 
@Ron Nope, I only do pancakes with bacon
 
@Saif That looks better :)
 
I don't think I've managed to click an SD report before it get's deleted in a few days...
 
12:16 PM
Cool, I got a meta answer with exactly 300 upvotes right now :)
 
Dang, already upvoted :P
 
Damn, me too
 
@AndréKool nice
 
Haha! 301
 
Anyone up for an A of mine for proofreading or typohunting pls ?
Not sure if this is allowed in here anymore
 
12:20 PM
@NickA Dang
 
@kayess ? it's not like you're asking for votes, just a review
 
@NickA nah but this kind of things were subject of discussion earlier so I'm not sure
 
@kayess Can't see anything in the General Expectations for Members of the FAQ, send me it in another room if you like
 
@kayess Just drop a link here "by accident" :P
 
Yeah and then get myself rene'd by accident.... that's a big no-no
> As with all requests, requests about something you're involved with (i.e. your own edits) are not permitted.
There you have it
 
12:26 PM
I don't think I have seen him yet today and you can always blame me
 
@kayess That's about requesting help with cv/delv etc. surely not just giving you a hand with being a member of the SO community
 
Let's wait 6 to 8 something for approval
 
Where's a RO when you need one >.<
 
meetings
 
@kayess I don't remember any rules about proofreading
 
12:30 PM
Sam was on pretty recently
 
@Machavity hmm ok thanks
 
Concratulations on posting your first answer of the year
 
Just caught up the error OP had, so I could answer it.
@AndréKool \o/
 
@kayess Made a couple minor changes to pre-amble, roll back if I wasn't quite right, your line after the error quote I'm having trouble reading the way you wrote it
 
12:35 PM
RO meeting is over....
 
@NickA thanks
Let Sam hit it
 
Morning
 
Afternoon
 
Do all ROs have italic names?, haven't noticed it before
 
evening
 
12:37 PM
@NickA yup
 
o/
 
And mods have blue names
 
Ron
@NickA Nice observation.
 
@AndréKool If you're using Makyen's userscript, they also have diamonds
 
@AndréKool That's harder to miss
 
12:38 PM
@Machavity At work (internship) == no userscripts
 
@AndréKool At work (work) == no extensions/userscripts/anything useful at all
 
Ron
Diamonds are forever.
 
@Ron errr... Skyfall ?
 
If he does it again I'll just mod flag
 
Wild mod arrives
 
Ron
12:42 PM
@JonClements Can't remember exactly but it was a Bond movie alright.
 
@SmokeDetector mod flagged
 
@NathanOliver As did I, but they've already been susp for a day
 
@NathanOliver User got suspended
 
flag retracted
 
I just rolled back all the left over edits of that user (not all were destructive enough for smokey)
 
12:47 PM
@AndréKool Woulda got away with it for a while too if not for going over the top with the ones SD caught
 
@NickA that's not a proper quote from scooby doo :)
 
@JonClements I couldn't find any better way for it to fit unfortunately
at least not that quickly. Maybe next time I'll just drop "for a while"
 
@NickA And He would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for us meddling programmers
7
 
@kayess Looks good, I made a small grammer fix. Personally I don't really like answers that start with "I had this problem also..." (but that might just be me)
 
12:54 PM
I love this world builder answer: worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/a/118688
 
@AndréKool Thanks! How could I rephrase it better? Like "I just crossed this error" or so ?
 
@kayess If it's necessary, I'd say put it at the end, otherwise get rid of it. Not my area and only read for English not that it was correct, so don't know if you need it (very much depends on the context and answer)
 
@NickA in fact that was the case, I have just came across this error in the app I develop
 
@kayess If it's necessary I'd say "in my case..." is fine
 
"Steward badge awarded"
 
1:00 PM
Philosophical question: is it wrong to upvote an old, closed, positively-scored question if it was helpful to me?
 
@EJoshuaS No
 
@Cœur congrats
@EJoshuaS nope
 
Even if I know it's off topic and would have also voted to close?
 
technically you could up vote it because you really liked the font.
 
@EJoshuaS You can upvote for any reason, if you found it helpful go for it
 
1:01 PM
@EJoshuaS Let me rephrase that so you can answer that yourself: "is it wrong to upvote an ... question if it was helpful to me?"
 
voting has nothing to do with closure. They are independent. I have seen questions I like and have up voted but have also voted to close
 
True - in this case, it was a request for off-site resources that happened to describe exactly what I was trying to do.
 
there is plenty of up voted closed content on the site, it's not really a problem
 
Ron
1:14 PM
Waffled away.
@NathanOliver OP uses a list in that one. I was under the impression the fn does not need an iterator in a list.
 
@Ron Same difference. The mechanics are still the same. You can't use emplace/emplace_back with a braced-init-list
 
Ron
I see.
 
A braced-init-list has no type and since emplace is defined as typename<typename... Args> void emaplce(Args&&... args) it can't deduce the type.
 
@Nathan maybe it should try harder? :)
 
1:42 PM
Should we close this question as Typo/No Repro? (check the comments)
 
Sure
 
Greetings my fellow timelords
 
Rob
o/
 
o/
 
1:55 PM
\o
 
@kayess nice answer (your proofreading request)
 
@TylerH ty! also thanks for your edit!
 
this was flagged as NAA and is in the review queue. It is a wrong answer but I'm not sure if it qualifies for NAA. What do you peoples, animals and flora think?
 
@NathanOliver I identify as a brick!
 
@NathanOliver Saying something can't be compiled is NAA surely
Saying it is is like someone posting code saying "why does this work" and someone answering with "it doesn't"
 
2:02 PM
@NickA That actually happens a lot. Undefined behavior compiles but it doesn't actually "work"
 
@NathanOliver I have no idea what to make of that answer. The first sentance looks like a comment and I have no idea what the rest is supposed to be.
 
@AndréKool Presumably the errors from compilation
 
The rest of the answer is the error message you would get if you didn't compile it to the correct standard.
 
@NathanOliver Yep, that is NAA - it does not attempt to answer the question, but rather is a comment providing feedback/implicitly requesting clarification
 
Clarification that's already there in the form of the C++17 tag
 
2:05 PM
OK. I'll just put it out of its misery then
Thanks guys peoples, animals, bricks, and flora
 
@NathanOliver what about non-corporeal beings?
 
Do we have those in the room?
I didn't think they were that chatty
 
Sorry, but I do identify as an apache attack helicopter
 
@TylerH 18 days ago, meh. But yeah POB.
 
@AndréKool 18 days ago yes but the question is 10 years old
my personal range for qualifying NATO is a sliding scale - the older a question is, the longer range of time I attribute to calling out new answers to it. For something 10 years old I would even call out NATO for something posted two months ago
Though for something posted 2 or 3 years ago I would only call out a couple days
 
2:36 PM
@SmokeDetector This is more a comment than an answer
 
Hm, someone is going through and flagging like all popular/high scored machine-learning / neural networking tagged questions as POB
noticed it the past couple of days in the CV Queue
 
@TylerH Appears they are, skipping through a few I got 3 in a row with >50 score
 
3:03 PM
@Olaf Is it really? The OP wants to know how to publish their app so it does not require having to supply the dll
 
Ron
Linux is joy if you are a C++ developer.
runs away
Linux editors and IDEs are pain.
 
hopefully in a couple years MSVS will be available.
 
@AndréKool this one is much more recently active :-)
 
@Ron I was ever fine with Eclipse CDT. The hardcore devs prefer vi or vim tho.
 
@NathanOliver I hear VS Code is already super useful on Linux
 
3:08 PM
^that
 
Ron
I should really give VS Code a chance.
 
That's what I've heard. Hopefully they can get the full VS functionality one of these days
 
Smashing Magazine has a decent writeup of it smashingmagazine.com/2018/01/visual-studio-code - the author switched from Sublime, I think
 
Ron
@πάνταῥεῖ Tried vim once..Once...
 
3:10 PM
@Ron You were able to leave?
 
Ron
@NathanOliver Haha. No.
Had to restore the entire VM.
 
Ron
I wasn't even able to type at one moment.
 
@NathanOliver Reads like "which packet is my installation missing to run this program?" to me.
 
Ron
I use gedit on Ubuntu nowadays. And thinking about purchasing Sublime.
 
3:12 PM
@Ron Windows people working on Linux expecting Linux to behave the same as Windows are a pain, too.
 
@Olaf I have made a encryption application in visual studio 2017. work fine in a environnement with VS2017 already installed but the application is not portable. doesn't read that way at all to me.
sorry for the pings
 
Ron
@Olaf They expect the comfort of Visual Studio and its debugger for sure.
Which is a good thing.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I heared for Code::Blocks is not that bad. But tbh, I'm fine with kwrite, a console and the KDE filemanager. Still have to find an IDE I'm more productive with (and I was hardly ever beaten by people using an IDE either).
 
I ye 'ole days emacs was quite popular
 
Ron
Gedit on Debian is quite decent and works as advertised.
 
3:16 PM
@NathanOliver Yeah, as if wrongly phrased problem descriptions are uncommon here. Anyway, you know we are not expected to robo-vote.
@Ron Strangely, the folks I know who worked a lot with both don't miss VS. Could you imagine there is a difference in working style and preferences and your opinion is just that: your opinion?
@πάνταῥεῖ In the aryl days I prefered Emacs over vi, too. But tbh, I'm fine with a simpler GUI editor. And for more complex things I have a powerful automated build system and console tools like grep, etc. Works like a charm. I'd really appreciate if prople would not behave as if people who don't like ther beloved tools are just dumb and don't see the advantage of VS or Eclipse.
 
Ron
Sublime has that very nice look & feel. And costs money.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ arly->early
I already hated those "mine is larger" discussions in the days of VIC64 vs. Atari 800, Atari-ST vs. Amiga, etc. Looks like nothing has changed, apart from we were kids back then.
 
Ron
@TylerH Thinking about following your lead on clicking that special link ;)
Laters caretakers. Have a good weekend.
 
3:28 PM
\o
 
o/
 
^tag wiki edit has been dealt with, ty.
 
3:54 PM
 
user177800
4:07 PM
@Olaf "Impostor Syndrome" is only about under estimating your own competency.
 
Sam
4:42 PM
@Yam stats
 
Yam
@Sam I'm currently watching 47 questions.
 
4:57 PM
@feelingunwelcome Thanks for the reply. You are right, it's the opposite of what I actually thought until I checked the WP article now.
 
6:43 PM
That's abuse.
 
user177800
7:01 PM
@Olaf knowing what DKE is and being able to put a name on peoples behavior is stress reducing to a point at least! :-)
 
@feelingunwelcome Yeah, it's always better if you can throw in a fancy name and a link to WP. Best if there's an ICD or DSM number for it, though.
 
user177800
@Olaf helps keep yourself in check as well :-)
 
user177800
@Olaf it probably falls as part of narcissism or something like that, maybe a co-morbidity. Do not think it would have its own diagnosis.
 
@feelingunwelcome In a way, yes. There is one aspect missing, though: not understnding if one is just bright and most others one has to deal with are stupid or if one has just a feeling of superiority without reason;-)
I',m sure, though that also has a fancy name.
 
user177800
@Olaf DKE never includes humility ... IS does
 
7:08 PM
@feelingunwelcome Narcissm is related to the physical appearance. Rest assured that's none of my failures ;-)
 
user177800
@Olaf it does, Autistic Spectrum Disorder, at least that is what mine is! :-)
 
user177800
@Olaf not necessarily, it is a sociopathic disorder, has nothing to do with physical appearance other than that was Narcissius in the story the name comes from.
 
user177800
@Olaf "an extremely self-centered person who has an exaggerated sense of self-importance"
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Has an edit
 
user177800
@Olaf Psychologist Stephen Johnson writes that the narcissist is someone who has “buried his true self-expression in response to early injuries and replaced it with a highly developed, compensatory false self.”
 
7:12 PM
@Machavity LoL
Are you GR / Yam?
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Pending :P No need for Yam if it dies in the queue
 
@Machavity Reject please... :D
 
user177800
@Machavity no attempt to solve the problem, just the code that shows what is in the picture.
 
@feelingunwelcome No, what I mean is: if you notice you are more often right than the people you work with. How do yyou know you are brigther than the average? Sure, your impression could be just wrong. But if see proof (e.g. by people failing and eventually using your approach), how do you know you are truely more inmtelligent in this area or you just happen to meet the wrong people?
It#s just a statisticsproblem: the higher the IQ the less likely it is to meet people with a similar or higher IQ. That does not imply I consider myself more intelligent than other, it'Äs just a problem that interests me.
 
@Olaf There's lotta space for failing regarding that attitude.
High IQ can be seriously hindering to communicate in a well understood manner. The cliche drawn at Sheldon in the BBT series just makes that obvious.
 
7:23 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Of course it is. But this is a general problem and also something based in our socialisation: "Der Kügere gibt nach" (the wiser man gives in). There's an inofficial addition: "… until he looks stupid".
Imo there's a great difference between feeling superiour and knowing one is more intelligent than specific other people.
 
user177800
@Olaf my mensa certificate tells me a lot! :-)
 
@Olaf You just gotta wait in such case keeping silent, and if everyone else had been proven in failure, you draw out the Cassandra box :3
 
user177800
@πάνταῥεῖ +1 for Cassandra reference. A friend of mine that has worked on lots of projects with me where I told everyone they way they wanted to do it was destined to fail and why ( and then it did after I left ) calls me "Cassandra" now.
 
@feelingunwelcome I can't tell, if that's a thing to be proud of ;-)
 
@feelingunwelcome A friend of mine pointed mae at online-test 10 years ago or so. I did it, told him the result and he didn't call me again for some months;-). I never struggled to apply, though (I was asked to after the test). Maybe I should try again.
 
user177800
7:31 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ well at least I know now, when someone hires me and does not listen to me my job is done. (actually I figured this out a long time ago, that is why I would always leave the projects when my initial contract was up and move on instead of staying when asked to)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ There comes my personality …
 
user177800
@Olaf I took it for fun as a freshman in college in 1986 because a cute girl that was in mensa told me I should.
 
@feelingunwelcome They won't gonna listen to you at a new employment. I am in the lucky position, that every one knows that me and my bosses are buddies for longer than 20 years. That draws some veneration for what I am saying :3
 
@feelingunwelcome Cultural differences and neurosis. There was (and still is) a strong climate against intelligent people, expecially if they show they are ("no one likes smarta…c…es"). ANother is showing you are wealthy or have otherwise success. Except you're a footballer or filmstar.
 
user177800
@πάνταῥεῖ theDailyWTF.com is rife with stories about friends of the owners that are "made men"/trusted implicitly for no other reason than familiarity that end extremely tragically. I avoid working at places like that like the plague.
 
7:37 PM
@Olaf Or got good buddies in the management ;-)
 
user177800
@πάνταῥεῖ no offense, you are obvoiusly very knowledgeable from my experience here with you
 
user177800
@πάνταῥεῖ and the exception to that rule!
 
@feelingunwelcome I am knowledgeable, but a PITA for many people. I am working on improvement of my social and soft skills and how to teach and influence others in a smooth way.
 
user177800
@Olaf we have an entire politically party in our country devoted to "ignorance as a virtue" and "intellectual elitists should not be trusted". It has not reached Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge consequences yet, but they are on the horizon, we have the least intelligent person our history as our "leader".
 
user177800
pretty sure every one of us that come here would score high on that PITA
but we need them scale as well.
 
7:43 PM
@feelingunwelcome I just lost two projects because the interview showed their "brand ne2w project/product" with research phase etc pp should use all-existing stuff and I dared to ask critical questions. Looks like they searched for a teammate where social compatibility (read: "do what we tell you") was more relevant than knowledge of the materia (which they agreed I had). Well, I call this Californication
 
user177800
@πάνταῥεῖ at least I can pull the "Aspergers" card with HR right when I get hired to put my lack of social acumen in context.
 
user177800
@Olaf we call that "dodging a bullet" I think you "lost" very little.
 
I don't want to make friends in a project. If it happens, fine. But I don't start with that attitude. I think it's not professional. Interestingly I know from non-German devs, we are expecially considered "all business". Things have changed apparently.
@feelingunwelcome I wouldn't call ca. 300k€ gross "a little"
 
user177800
@Olaf exactly, making "friends" is not what work is for, ironically many neurotypical people think in black&white terms if you are not my "friend" you are my "enemy"
 
@feeling Just a funny anecdote: At a presentation of mine I've been asking for questions in the end. A colleague (named Tobi(as)) asked one, and I responded: "Well, Florian ..." (since there are many guys named Florian working here, and I just was new and couldn't remember all of the names). He shortly tried to protest, until another colleague hissed them "If he calls you 'Florian', that's your name and shut up!"
 
user177800
7:46 PM
@Olaf you now have time to find something even more lucrative.
 
user177800
@πάνταῥεῖ then you are a "made man" in the truest sense! :-)
 
@feelingunwelcome You don't know the market here, do you? Companies here still have not understood what hiring a Freelancer means and that it's not an extra employee to hire once the project is overdue or messed up. Plus they expect you sit at their desk, not your own. Which means commutiong over 800km. As if we had no private life.
 
user177800
@Olaf well that is kind of how the market is in America, I was always hired to be a fireman, put out the fires the employees caused that they did not have to pay benefits and could get rid of as soon as the train was sort of back on track.
 
@feelingunwelcome I'm feeling quite comfortable to some extend, yes.
 
user177800
7:51 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ "made man" : slang / a man who has been formally inducted as a full member of the Mafia.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Did they already set up the altair in the cantina?
 
user177800
@Olaf I owned my own consulting business for 30+ years. That is kind of the "game" that you play as hired gun. Hired guns get hired to shoot people and move on. I got projects back on track/over the line and was promptly rewarded with a final paycheck. I was never once asked to stay on perm, and would have never considered it if I had been. These places were disasters in slow motion.
 
user177800
@Olaf I am fortunate to work for a Fortune 5 company right now for some amazing management, all the way from where I am to CIO/CEO. With respectible pay, unmatched benefits and a few people that I am socially friends with ( not on my direct team of course ) I am content. This the first time in 35 years I could say anything close to that.
 
@feelingunwelcome Yeah, but you're in a different business. For a start: in embedded, how you connect the MCU to external hardware has a major impact on the software architecture. I do both, but most times they have the hardware (mostly) complete and search for a software-dev only. Need I say quite often the HW-dev messed up the connections which makes the software thrice as complicated? Just because they didn't think/know a bit.
 
user177800
@Olaf yep I get it, I get the same thing, networking is setup by people that have never actually had to use the network. Same with DBAs that have never actually "used" the RDBMS, they just know all the admin commands from a "certification course" they have no concept what actually works in practice for a developer.
 
7:58 PM
@feelingunwelcome I tend to agree to your last sentence. A friend of mine is looking for a new employer, but his currrent one seems to be still the better choice. And from what i know, that's most disappointing.
 
user177800
@Olaf I worked on cable setboxes in another life, so I have done the software side of embedded as well.
 
@feelingunwelcome Yes, but networking can be changed by plugging/config, etc. I'm talking about devices mostly "ready for production" (at least that's what they say. And don't I dare to tell them they're wrong. Or tell them to leave the 1980ies and use modern SW architectures.
 
user177800
@Olaf the grass is always greener, until you realize that just means there is more sh1t on the grass.
 
user177800
@Olaf "ready for production" means we got the BOM down to below budget and we are done.
 
@feelingunwelcome Well, we thought about starting our own business, selling devices. But the EU and expecially DE is a hell of regulations, laws and lawyers.
 
user177800
8:01 PM
well my day is done here, I have to go pick up my youngest from therapy! then get back to work when I get home. Laters!
 
user177800
@Olaf we are very "anti-regulation" unless it is regulations on immigrants :-( One of my friends dads did just that. He got fed up when the company he was working for did not want to use a design he and a friend created. They quit, started their own company and were worth more than the original employer in < 10 years! They ended up with radios in every manufacturers cellphones for 15 years. Mad Money.
 
@feelingunwelcome It' worse if you know you could write thje software half that large, thrice that fast, and without the now needed 1000 cross-dependencies, just because you took the time to read the datasheet/reference manual and understood them. That was one part of what I complained above. I though about applying at google, but I'm not really a friend of these companies.
 
by a register-walled document?
 
@JohnDvorak Close the pop-over. There's no hard wall
 
Oh, right, it's a freedom-wall.
non-EU only
 
that probably means they don't comply with GDPR I'm guessing
 
@πάνταῥεῖ sigh
 
8:31 PM
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 mins ago, by πάντα ῥεῖ
I have no idea why people are flagging harmless conversations like these. That's completely silly.
@Olaf Well :P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Bugged
 
8:54 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ: Pls check your inbox.
 
@Olaf Which one? I've got a number of them :P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ your ISP, I suppose
 
9:12 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Why are you using non-English when you just had an issue about doing so?
 
@Makyen Because I am just defiant about that. What else?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ While I can understand that, it tends to result in having more problems. As I understand it, chat.SE does permit non-English content, due to having a much larger selection of moderators, who are more likely to speak other languages. Perhaps you would be more comfortable on that chat server for the conversations you desire to have in other languages. Note: that's just form my memory of various Meta posts, so you might want to double check.
 
9:29 PM
@Mayken We can compose any kind of problemz that never were any at all. I am not conducting further what that means for presumption of any users intelligence, who's gonna hitting / facing the "issue". Nuff said.
 
I don't intend to discuss this here, bt as I was as well affected as @πάνταῥεῖ, just that: Equally valid as "be nice" was once "assume good faith". Seems priorities have shifted towards the former and denunciation. Maybe the ones responsible for this site should think about it.
 
I agree that it's something that the site should think about. I also agree that this is not the forum in which to discuss the issue, as it really deserves, and needs, the larger participation of Meta.
@kayess @NickA @AndréKool Proofreading requests of Meta answers are tolerated, but the strong preference is to host any discussion elsewhere and that such proofreading be prior to the post going live (e.g. in a GitHub gist or repository). Please see #3 from the May 2017 Room Meeting. You should probably read the full discussion.
 
9:50 PM
@Makyen So did we do something wrong or not? (Maybe I'm just too tired to understand the meaning of what you just said)
 
@AndréKool As to answers on Main, that's unclear, as the room meeting topic was in the context of Meta posts. However, it would be better to make the request for proofreading prior to posting the answer (e.g. with the post in a GitHub gist or repository). Doing so more clearly separates it as a request for proofreading, as opposed to being interpreted as a request to review/vote-on the post.
 
10:40 PM
 
user177800
10:53 PM
@toohonestforthissite do what is best for you and that aligns with corporate goals you are at the correct place.
 
11:03 PM
@feelingunwelcome Well, as a freelancer, I set my own goals. I have to bend quite a lot smetimes, though, for other companies' goals. Problem is the "good enough" and "as fast and cheapo as possible" attitude. I'm more for quality and sustainability.
Hmm, looks like a name change takes some time to trickle to all sites.
 
@toohonestforthissite so what's the occasion for the change. :)
finally had enough?
never mind. back reading.
 
@Nkosi Let's say it an intermediate(!) endpoint(!) of a long lasting thought process and leave it at this.
 
understood. nuf said.
 
@Nkosi I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out the rest;-)
 
yep, been there, done that :P
 
11:17 PM
@Nkosi So, how's the weather in the carribean? Any snowstorms recently?
 
mixed, but mostly hot inland and breezy on the coast. the usual
 
@Nkosi Breezy … how much I miss that! It's only hot here. The last rain just increased humidity.
 
good weather today was able to mow the lawn. been rainy these last few days
the smell of freshly cut grass in the morning. :P
it's the little things......
 
@Nkosi I need a vacation!
 
what's stopping it?
 
11:22 PM
@Nkosi I have to be available for project offers/interviews and lastly the reason why I do apply for projects … (keep in mind I have enough ideas for own projects to keep 20+ devs busy)
 
what about remote flexi-time for a period to avoid burn out?
 
@Nkosi FYI: I'm a freelancer. And IIRC we had that about working remotely. If I just could. Well, it's actually really problematic to debug embedded hardware at the beach, but even if I did that in a room, customers are paranoid and don't accept you have your own life aside working for them.
 
@Nkosi Here, it's more likely to be the smell of freshy-burning grass in the morning:(
 
Maybe I'm too picky, but the older I become, the less willing am I to make compromises.
 
@toohonestforthissite Oh yeah I remember we had a conversation a while back on the topic
 
11:28 PM
@MartinJames Yeah, you're mostly lucky with the weather still. I saw Scotland is nice currently.
 
@toohonestforthissite Nah you are just getting wiser with age. a compromise is a comfort to a fool. :P
both parties are not happy as neither got what they wanted.
 
@Nkosi Unfortunately our world requires them to sustain our mere existence. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if I should start my own product line. But not in Germany: regulation hell.
 
then probably take baby steps till you think the time is right. JMHO
but I see what you mean. :)
A big problem is just a combination of smaller problems. Tackle the smaller ones bit by bit. Wise man, pebble, mountain blah blah.....Profit. :P
lol
 
@Nkosi Well … if you mean by "want" on one side: follow the processes, get an inferiour result, longer development time, outdated technique, non reusable code, you are right. That's exactly what aggravates me: they cast you in rules, processes and the like set by people who have never written a single loc, or designed a PCB. But they have very specific ideas how an embedded system should be developed.
@Nkosi Well, yeah, but it takes more than one person. I mean, I had a friend who might join, but there had to be someone doing marketing, sales and the other "representative" stuff. But yeah, I just got my butt up and stared typing a project I have in mind for a long time now.
 
All journeys begin with just the first step.
 
11:44 PM
@Nkosi Yeah, but I don't live in Bag End and Bilbo is dead (we share the love for good food and an easy life, though;-)
 
:)
 

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