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Rob
3:34 AM
@Nkosi Would you happen to have a link to that question?
Also, I saw you've deleted the meta question, did you figure out what caused the ping?
 
 
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@halfer about to start endless debate It boils down to, imo, 'use whatever they use on the label' (there are a few American distilleries which use the whisky spelling, as does US law). And since the OP here was reading my profile, it's most definitely whisky, as I never drink American and very rarely drink Irish, so there isn't much to talk about there.
 
6:19 AM
@SmokeDetector not a phone number; could use an edit though
 
We're slow: I say "relatively" because the average time to deletion is a bit over 3 days, compared to just over 2 hours for question-spam, 45 minutes for answer-spam, and about 5 hours for VLQ answers. The median time to deletion is about 11 hours, compared to 1 minute for spam.
 
6:36 AM
@Adriaan I think shog was referring to the speed of how fast mods handle the VLQ flag queue. Not sure if the average includes flags from the beginning of time, because then that average won't be that accurate
 
@SamuelLiew isn't this just the time from posting to spam-deletion? In that case the 45 minute average, 1 minute median makes sense: back in the days before SmokeDetector spam could go unnoticed, leaving us mopping up years later whenever the post surfaces for some reason (high average therefor), whereas new spam gets deleted nicely within a minute.
 
oh yes, you're right. Not just mod-handled flags
I would like to request testers for my new userscript: Post Timeline Filters - https://github.com/samliew/SO-mod-userscripts/blob/master/README.md#post-timeline-filters
test for rare/edge cases, old post timelines, and filters that do nothing for non-mods (can you see close votes and delete votes?)
I've spent a while on this but I still might be missing obvious stuff
 
 
1 hour later…
7:48 AM
OP cornered themselves with a bad practice.. stackoverflow.com/questions/50638509/… Not sure what close reason would be
 
@SurajRao I would go with unclear
Blegh, just when I was about to flag it got deleted so I clicked on a javascript job instead :(
 
lol, big-O h/w dump, OP commented: 'I'm not lazy just new to coding and I did try and solve this just wanted to know if my answer was correct .I'm not going to take down this post'. I asked for a dump of inner loop count for various inputs, result - OP deletes post when it realizes that it has been rumbled as just another deadbeat:)
 
8:09 AM
Morning all o/ To those that it's relevant (gave advice etc.), I've just got back my results from my degree and successfully got my MSci in Comp.Sci. so thanks all who helped
 
@NickA How much did you have to slip your prof?
 
@MartinJames A whole 0 pence!
 
@NickA Oh good, so you already had something on him. Blackmail is so much cheaper than straight bribery:)
 
I'm not convinced @kayess I think OP is just deleting their own comments to avoid clutter
 
@NickA Well done, anyway, no matter how you got your M :)
 
8:20 AM
I see
 
@NickA Congratulations!
 
@MartinJames @AndréKool, Can't thank everyone if there's too many replies so thanks both, and this thanks is for all others who reply :)
 
@NickA ooh good work!
o7
 
@NickA Congrats! \o
 
@kayess I was busy typing "Thank congratulations" >.<
 
8:25 AM
@NickA you are too slow so let me downgrade your MSc to BSc ;<
 
@Adriaan heh, now I didn't know that some US producers still use 'whisky'. Interesting. I recommend some bourbons though. This one, from the Jim Beam distillery, is strong stuff, but really an excellent dram: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booker%27s
 
Free waffles!
 
See my edit. Also free waffles for you today
 
@kayess Re that posts comments, they're mostly gone now
 
@NickA Congratulations!
 
8:29 AM
He deserves at least 30+ congrats pings : )
Also hiya @Maky \o
 
o/
 
o7
 
@NickA I thought you got your MSci, not enlisted in the military. :-)
 
@kayess I've been here less than 25min and have got 9 pings already, although not all congrats
 
Good morning all :)
 
8:34 AM
o/
 
@NickA Congratulations !!! :)
 
@NickA Get ready : D
 
@NickA yeah, you need a Ph.D to get more congrats ;=)
 
@halfer Don't even joke about that >.<, I was about ready to walk out of my degree 3 weeks ago I've hated uni so much, but that would've been a total waste of time
 
@NickA if you are going to show off your MSC diplom ever, please add "Sponsored by SOCVR" title next to it :p
 
8:40 AM
@NickA it's a common enough scenario, I sympathise - solo study/research is harder than it looks
 
@kayess I should've put that on my dissertation under acknowledgements
 
@NickA please submit an edit suggestion : D
(notice the Fribergo style smileys)
 
@halfer eew, bourbon :P I prefer my whisky to smell, taste and look like an ashtray
@AlonEitan is it plagiarised contents or something? Otherwise just give them the "don't be a spammer" warning first right?
 
@Adriaan But it's the second time (First was SD)
 
8:53 AM
@Adriaan Excellent work, I have the 10yo. If you want to try something very nice in the peated section, consider buying a cask strength Arran Machrie Moor. Arran don't normally do peated expressions, but this one is marvellous, probably my favourite whisky. It surpasses the Laphroaig Quarter Cask, and that is excellent.
 
@AlonEitan ah, ok. Thanks for the update
@halfer I have a bottle of Laphroaig Select Cask atm; it's a bit of a weird one. Without a number it is probably little over 3 yo, but completely barrelled on sweet casks, along with a finish on virgin oak (I didn't even know that was allowed for Scotch). So it does have a bit of the peatyness of a proper Islay, but is very smooth and sweet overall. Not really my favourite, but hey, it was cheap in the discount :D.
@FireAlarm not "classic" licencing, in the sense that this question asks for a tool which can handle the licencing of a company (hence the off-site rec)
 
@Adriaan I'd expect LQC to be ~7 years old - I think it would be hard to get that taste in just three years. But perhaps Wikipedia can help us here :-)
 
@Vega I'd say too broad/unclear, since this doesn't actually ask for a tool (it doesn't ask anything, true, but for sure not a tool)
 
I've been to both Arran and Islay - need to go to Islay again. New distilleries are being built, and I missed out a few. I missed Jura as well, and that's only a short ferry hop to the next island.
 
@halfer afaik QC is indeed something like 6 years on normal barrels and a year finishing on quarter casks
@halfer I want to go there; I just visited Oban and Dalwhinnie
 
8:59 AM
@Adriaan Nice, I need to see some more on the mainland.
Ah, I didn't spot that you'd mentioned the Select - yes, that does not have so much power. Someone gave me a half-bottle of that. I accepted it as I think they were overdoing the drinking a bit!
 
Now I got some motivation to finish my graduation internship. Than my friend will be obligated to buy me a new bottle of whisky :)
 
@Adriaan I considered it asked non implicitly. Your reason is better. Is there anything I should do?
 
@Vega not really. Just leave it be. It needs to be closed, and people will choose a reason which fits best anyway.
 
9:48 AM
^spam
 
@Rob I gave up on the venture when I noticed that the OP's first comment and my reply had the same time stamp. which in itself was odd as I only commented in reply to their comment.
The plan was to see if I could reproduce the problem again before continuing with meta
 
10:17 AM
@PraveenKumar It was active 2+ years ago :)
 
@AlonEitan Yep. Let's close it and may be delete it. Very mundane question.
#Cleanup
 
@PraveenKumar Done. And BTW, do comment containing "RTFM" considered rude? Should we flag this one?
 
@AlonEitan Yep... Not exactly, but yes, it's flagworthy...
 
@PraveenKumar What's rude about telling someone to read the fine manual if it is justified? Ifd it is not, it might be obsolete, but not rude.
 
@Olaf The way. RTFM is cinsidered rude...
 
10:25 AM
@AlonEitan if it's that long ago, I recommended using "no longer needed" instead. mods probably won't warn users for something committed years back
 
@Olaf its not.. I flagged it as no longer needed.. The user was polite enough to give the precise link
 
@SamuelLiew Got it, too late now, but I will remember it for next time :)
 
@PraveenKumar Asking about basic stuff obviously ignoring the maanual is rude. Telling to rtfm is not.
 
@Olaf Sure... Will update myself.
Why is this still not kicked off as spam? Not enough spam votes?
 
@PraveenKumar I just cast the last vote
Morning all btw
 
10:27 AM
Ha!
o/
 
o/
 
@SurajRao I'm fine with that. I don't think flagging "rtfm" as rude without additional indicator is ok. And sometimes it can be well justified even without a link, e.g. if the OP apparently knows about the manual.
 
Day 2 off work, my chest is now sore from all the coughing but at least that's a sign that it's on its way out
 
anyway RTFM is borderline rude only, there's a small chance that it could possibly be declined. Save R/A for behaviour that is completely bonkers and needs to go immediately + warned
 
10:29 AM
NP. Will do
 
@SamuelLiew It depends on how one reads it. Personally I'd not consider the "other" interpretation of F as rude either if it is apparent the manual will answer it clearly (i.e. without combining multiple parts of the manual. However, "RTFineM" is evern weaker.
 
@Olaf yes it depends on context. e.g.: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/348923
 
@MichaelDodd IIRC inhaling saline (spray) solution should help a bit. It should be available at a pharmacy. If you like milk and honey, it's also a good combination to relax your throat, just warm the milk a bit. Or steam inhalations of chamomile in hot water is very helpful. YOu could also chew cloves (no need to swallow), they slightly numb the mouth and throat.
 
@Olaf Yeah I've been using hot water bowls and showering with the window closed for steam, and drinking lemsip and warm water. Throat's not sore anymore, so that bit's over at least
Just wish the cat would show me a bit more sympathy, he's just been meowing at me from a distance like "nope, I'm not going anywhere near you"
Should be good by Monday either way
 
@SamuelLiew Yes, that's what I meant with "additional indicator". It would be really helpful if "OP knows about the manual, but did not even do the least effort to read the section" (I'm sure there could be a much better phrasing). It should cover the "how do I call function/use class XYZ" questions if that can be found by a simple serach for the name.
But, well, that would mean we could close 25-50% of the questions already. -> less popularity.
@MichaelDodd That's dangerous, because the bathroom steam transports bacteria, etc. use cooking water, into a bowl with the chamomile blossoms (pharmacy/supermarket) hold you head above it and use a thick sheet/towel/etc as cover. There are plasitc inhalators, too, but the ones without heater are to small, so the water cools down to quickly.
 
10:47 AM
@Olaf Cheers for the heads-up
 
@MichaelDodd It's a cat - all said.
 
Meaow. We are all cats. Or objects of cats inherited from them. :3
 
@MichaelDodd You can make gargling with salty water! It will eliminate the bacteria from the throat. It can be done with (baking) soda too. As frequently as you can stand. The water should be a lukewarm
 
11:04 AM
^^ I remember closing that one before.. Seems OP asked twice
 
How many spam can a user post before they get an answer ban? That last SD was the second spam made by the same user in a 45 minutes interval
 
11:34 AM
Has the cv-pls script been enhanced recently? I just did a close and ticked the cv-pls option. The close has been recorded but nothing written to this chat. So I clicked on the cv-pls, the popup shows the "send request" plus 2 other options, but clicking "send" does nothing. (Using Firefox with both Greasemonkey and Tampermonkey installed.)
 
Ron
o/
 
\o
 
Ron
Nothing beats a good night sleep.
And smart pointers in the C++11+ standard.
But that's just geek talk.
 
@Adriaan Did you vote to close twice on that question?
 
11:47 AM
..thats not possible
 
I know... But my close vote disappeared again. I am trying to understand
The timeline shows a review was invalidated. I was the second to vote. @Adriaan was third, I guess as this shows. Now I am unable to see my name in the list
 
@Vega thats weird.. are you sure you didnt just request and not vote?
 
I am sure. but this the second time this week:meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/368699/…
 
the only meta q where cv is invalidated seems to be invalidated is in case of dupe target getting deleted meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357584/…
@Vega yes I saw that..
@Yam ok.. that makes even less sense
 
12:14 PM
 
12:31 PM
@Vega if only I could vote twice :p
 
RO can you please trash my last cv-pls? OP added MCVE
 
Thanks
 
morning
it's FRIDAY!
 
12:41 PM
Yay!
 
@gunr2171 Friday, Friday, gonna get down on Friday
Thanks for that. NOT REALLY
 
looking forward to the weekend, weekend
 
@gunr2171 already got weekend :D
BBQ coming up in 45 minutes, can start drinking beer
 
that's the continuation of the lyrics
oh wait, no. It's "Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend, weekend"
MY BAD. I'LL SEE MYSELF OUT NOW.
 
@gunr2171 Tell me more
@gunr2171 go to a meeting or something :P
 
12:43 PM
yup
 
@gunr2171 When are you guys starting your BBQ back up?
 
Vrijmibo, vrijmibo, does whatever a vrijmibo does
 
@NathanOliver June 8th. Next week's friday.
 
cool
 
and monday-wednesday of that week is an all-day offsite event
 
12:46 PM
Hey all, quick question... What just happened here?
 
it looks like the question was deleted (10k scrub response)
 
@gunr2171 But the user is also gone?
 
No idea, I can't see any information about that post. I'm not 10k.
@NathanOliver ^
 
Okie... :(
it has hand drawn circle... :D
 
@PraveenKumar Looks like the user was either mod deleted or self deleted. I'm going to go with the latter. That will auto delete the Q if it qualifies.
 
12:52 PM
user was either deleted or the post was disassociated. If you have the original user id you could look the user up. If not, meh.
 
@NathanOliver Woah...
I do have the original user id and it just throws 404.
 
Yeah, looks like the user was deleted. Is the only time I know of where Community deletes without a spam/rude notice
 
Yeah, the account was deleted so it will do that. I don't know if it shows if a mod deleted a user or if it always attributed to community (I think it is) but I think this is a case of the user getting an answer and deleting their account.
 
LoL... Could be...
That's shame...
And rude... :(
 
Or they didn't like the down votes
 
12:55 PM
Ha...
 
@Adriaan I didn't meant twice at the time, but on the second round, after the first was invalidated in the review queue, but I guess it's a far fetched idea :)
I am still confused about what happened..
 
@Vega Maybe the timeline will help clear that up
 
1:21 PM
@SmokeDetector a >300k user is blacklisted? That's going to be interesting :P
 
@Adriaan AFAIK it only takes one positive to go on Smokey's watchlist, though users can later be un-watched by negatives
 
the "u" in tpu means to blacklist
 
1:37 PM
@Adriaan seems like this got recorded as true positive in MS
and my close vote stock is over
 
1:48 PM
@Yam Still bad, no MCVE.
 
Wow, Shog's recommendation for VLQ could have a huge impact, he is starting with the big guns
 
@TylerH link?
 
@NathanOliver meta.stackoverflow.com/a/368890/2756409 look for the 'what I'd like to try' header
tl;dr - 3 people (with gold? silver? badges in a tag) can flag for immediate deletion regardless of score or date or closure status
well, maybe not regardless of score, it would make a lot of sense to put a score qualifier in as a safeguard
it also would probably make a lot of sense to put in a date qualifier, too... e.g. if something was able to last 6 months, maybe it should get the normal, "long form" path to deletion just as a safeguard
I'll comment
 
Wait, he wants to give tag experts more control over what happens on the tag and thinks they can determine quality. He's mad I say ;)
 
@AdrianHHH The most recent update was a month ago. It should be working. You have both Greasemonkey and Tampermonkey running. In which is the Request Generator userscript installed?
If it encountered an error while posting the cv-pls there should be clear notification.
 
2:39 PM
@NathanOliver It must be a Friday :-)
 
2:55 PM
@TylerH what do those mean?
 
@Alec what is "those" referring to?
 
@Alec POB = primarily opinion-based, NATO = new answer to old question
 
@TylerH your key words my bad
 
ah
 
@Alec It means DEFCON 1, soldier
Is this question on-topic?
 
3:03 PM
No
It is about licensing requirements, IMO those are not about programming as defined by the help center
questions about programming tools are on-topic so long as they are about how to use those tools to program, not about requirements to legally use the tool
Well
I guess we should clarify if OP is asking whether he legally needs to purchase it or technically needs to in order for the app to work
Nah, we should not help people under the assumption they are not concerned with the legality of things
@Machavity I voted to close with a custom reason; if OP disagrees and/or clarifies we can take it from there
 
@TylerH Fair enough
And it looks like he took your advice
 
3:51 PM
There is a new XKCD What If. It's pretty good
 
@NathanOliver But let's ignore those problems! Describes 75% of SO questions
2
 
5:13 PM
Our friendly neighborhood mod has made some suggestions for the close vote window
 
5:44 PM
@techraf what is no roomba
 
@Alec Roomba is the name of the script deleting questions according to these rules meta.stackexchange.com/a/92006 "No Roomba" means that a question does not match the rules, hence the request for manual deletion.
 
@Alec It also means you clean your own mess up. rene hates crumbs in the room carpet
 
6:07 PM
I feel like @rene i.stack.imgur.com/HuMrO.png
@Machavity Which? Yvette? Bhargav? Madara? Jon? Samuel? Rob? I am losing track now...
 
@TylerH The first. Does Jon even hang around anymore?
 
Of course! He's just... off somewhere... digging for his bones he hid before winter came
 
6:32 PM
@TylerH :D
 
6:43 PM
I just can't believe people even still use Vim
 
whats wrong with vim lol
 
I mean, I have never used it, but I feel like there has got to be a better IDE
I will never use it just for the one reason alone of the fact that it's apparently hard to exit
 
oh using it for sure a pain especially for beginners
 
I suppose it's just one of those things, like why do people use CL-only interfaces today anyway
 
@TylerH When you have to ssh into something, for example
 
6:46 PM
@TylerH They're still trapped
 
linux gurus
 
@NathanOliver the poor matrix denizens
 
tbh, vim really isn't that bad. I think it's true that I could type more efficiently in vim if I were to really learn it. I just think that typing fast isn't what I spend most of my time doing
 
it always comes in handy to know, if you are normally on linux
just yesterday I was having to mess around in my DNS resolver with vim
 
I have the wsl installed on my windows machine. It doesn't allow you to edit files in the linux subsystem from the windows side. If you try to, bad things will happen (IIUC, it can corrupt the files or worse). So whenever I want to edit linux files there, I use vim.
But most of the files I'm working with while using the wsl are files in the Windows side
 
6:57 PM
> Dear your help
 
> Tanks in advantage
 
 
2 hours later…
8:46 PM
why people be answering duplicates
 
9:01 PM
python is quite the tag for duplicates
 
@Alec yup. A lot of 100k+ or 200k+ users are constantly answering dupes. They don't care, all they're risking is seeing their answer deleted...
I'm trying to make sure it gets deleted :)
a lot of 100k+ users is inaccurate, let's say there are a few of them, but it's still annoying.
 
I assume it because most new programmers learn it as their first. My first class was Python :))
 
There are also very respectable highrep users who don't answer blatant dupes just for rep...
 
I do see a lot tho
 
@Alec: you must be young. My first class was ... Turbo Pascal aaaaarghhh
 
9:08 PM
yeah im still new tbh
 
don't worry ... you'll get older :)
 
my superior also learn pascal as his first
 
and that is soon enough ...
in the end of eighties it was the best language for beginners... that figures :)
 
I'm seeing a lot of . That also sucks :)
powerful, but I'm not enjoying those coding sessions...
now that's something !
 
9:12 PM
that and COBOL
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre yes, come to the C++ side
 
@NathanOliver I'm already on the C++ side and I think that a combination of python for scripting/complex/dynamic stuff plus C++ for speed and for ease of use even for a compiled language is a killer combination. But not answering that much, because I'm not at a level where I can answer interesting questions.
(as opposed to C + .bat files :))
@Alec COBOL: I'm old but not that old.
 
Python + C++ does look like a great combination. I figure python will be the next language I learn
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre ahaha, my superior was saying he started out on Pascal and then moved to COBOL
 
@NathanOliver you do that. I first was an "expert" in c++ (the old c++) then I learned python. It was rather easy since there are a lot of similarities with C and C++ (except that a python list is a c++ vector, that sucks)
 
9:18 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Welp, I enjoy C++ too. But once I discovered Rust, I found it much more appealing for covering those edges.
 
@Alec probably for the cash you could make around year 2000 with all those broken 1999 cobol codes
Rust looks nice too. But another language to learn... at my age :)
 
I've done a course in java so I'm used to having to say list in other languages to mean vector. Why the heck they call it a list I'll never comprehend.
 
I may have to take on this swift crap because of iOS development... not looking forward to it.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Better be...
 
@NathanOliver true, but when you're a beginner and you want a list, you want a list that you can access with indices :)
@E_net4 I love that one. Pretty basic 4 chords but good.
 
9:21 PM
When I was looking at some Swift code, it seemed very similar to python
 
I guess. I just always relate list to a linked list
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Are there only 4 chords? :)
 
Well, maybe 5. C G Am F and Dm.
but nicely chained, and with a good melody
@Alec: python dicts: {1:2, 3:4}, swift dicts: [1:2, 3:4]. Very innovative.
 
10:22 PM
@KenWhite: i'll send one over
 
10:41 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Excellent. I think that makes us even. :-)
 
10:57 PM
Room owners: please cancel my CV request posted above. The OP has improved his question.
 
Sam
11:11 PM
 
11:38 PM
JavaScript peeps: is this too broad? stackoverflow.com/questions/50652138/…
I wondered if there might be a One True Way in JS, which would make it not TB
 
11:49 PM
@halfer I'm not sufficiently familiar with the libraries they're using to say if it's too broad, but, IMO, there appears to be missing information (left comment), so I went with "unclear". If the libraries are architected the way I'd expect them to be, what they desire is not too broad.
@halfer They've added enough information such that I'm no longer confident in saying it's off-topic.
 
@Makyen Thanks
 

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