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1:41 AM
@Makyen huh, thanks!
 
2:18 AM
Good morning o/
 
 
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4:41 AM
@tripleee This appears to have failed to format due to having a soft-return in the text. I'd suggest that you re-post this request. Basically, if it's not handled prior to moving off the main chat page, it won't be seen beyond that, which makes it significantly less likely to be fulfilled, under those conditions.
 
oh sorry, I usually catch these but ... fail
@Makyen can you delete the broken one?
 
@tripleee Done.
 
@Makyen thanks!
 
@tripleee np. I'm happy to help.
 
4:56 AM
@Yam Yeah, that's what should've been in the question to begin with, but there's no real reason to reopen, as the OP has gotten their answer, and the question is a mega-dupe.
 
5:13 AM
Does the accepted answer works above API 23 ?
 
@RaviPrakash I think you are looking for android chat room. Also that question doesnt seem to have an accepted answer..
 
 
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6:22 AM
@RaviPrakash For reference, is being asked about this question: How to send SMS programmatically without opening message app. Another time, please don't onebox questions/answers. Doing so in this room, where oneboxes aren't generally used, results in drawing inordinate attention.
 
7:25 AM
NATO
 
7:53 AM
@SmokeDetector looks good imo
 
That Yam bot is very helpful, good job
 
8:08 AM
\o morning all
 
8:48 AM
@Yam huh, why was the post deleted? It seemed to have improved a lot.
 
9:39 AM
actually ^ unclear.. OP seems to be looking for a search term
 
9:59 AM
Hiya |o/
 
@Yam yeah still looks like request for resource
 
 
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Ron
11:15 AM
o/
 
Ron
I've been persuaded to use the exception handling, love open source and Linux. The world is coming to an end.
A far cry from the Delphi days.
Loving every minute of it.
 
11:34 AM
Any thoughts on this Q&A? Has MVCE and a self-answer saying essentially "I don't want to do that any more" stackoverflow.com/q/49164394/397817
 
@Yam Still too broad and looking for a tutorial
@Ron Just smile and wave, smile and wave [ :) & o/ ]
 
Ron
@Nkosi Indeed so. Things are shaping up.
 
@StephenKennedy I see no future benefit to other users but I am not sure what to close it as.
 
@Ron ?? Delphi had exceptions - you never used them?
 
@Nkosi I was mulling between cv-pls as non-repro; flag answer as NAA; or look the other way and move on
 
11:41 AM
@StephenKennedy That can work
 
Ron
@MartinJames I used them all right. As a caller, never as a callee.
 
@Ron You raised them but never caught them? Did that turn out well for you? :)
@Ron You raised them but never caught them? Did that turn out well for you? :)
 
Ron
^ Lol, I get the joke.
Apart from surrounding the object creation in a try finally I never employed the exception error control mechanism in class creation.
Only the fn return codes if mechanism. Things are vastly different now.
I think the C++ technical interview can be fit into one sentence: "Did you get the joke?"
The correct answer being: I am starting to get it.
 
12:47 PM
Morning
 
Ron
o/
 
\o
 
Ron
Excerpt from the C++ Super FAQ on how to handle a destructor that fails: Write a message to a log-file. Terminate the process. Or call Aunt Tilda.
 
@Tanner "bad question" is not a close reason. It might be a downvote one, but we don't do downvotes here.
 
1:03 PM
Hypothetically, what would happen if someone did drop a "I'm closing this question because it's a bad question" close vote?
 
my bad, has no MCVE
 
Do we have any stats on whether it's effective to bump FireAlarm's reports?
 
@JohnDvorak you mean the requests made on them in the SOCVR, or the actual posts by FA? On the latter for sure, there's a meta somewhere
 
@Adriaan I mean, FA alone vs. FA + CV-PLS
 
There are 8 open questions left in and all are seeded for closure
 
@Machavity Chipped in my votes, seeded questions should be on 2 now.
 
1:33 PM
Is this reopen-worthy? The OP edited out the wall of code, but it's a possible canonical-post dupe.
 
@EJoshuaS It's still a formatting horror and I see lots of code remains (even if it's only 30% of the original). I like that the OP at least tries to improve though
 
@Machavity Down to 3 - I cast the last needed vote on the rest, the last need 1 - 2 more votes each.
 
@Yam I think that's down to an acceptable level now
 
morning
 
Sam
morning
 
1:48 PM
morning
 
afternoon
 
good evening ;)
 
'fternoon
@Sam et tu, Brute? Did you cross the pond that it's morning now?
 
Sam
@Adriaan Well considering I woke up 30 mins ago, it feels like it.
 
"morning" is more a greeting than a geo-ping
 
1:51 PM
tough evening?
 
Sam
Kinda, was a long day. :)
 
Worked with PHP?
 
@Adriaan Morning UGT
3
 
Sam
@gunr2171 :P
 
@Machavity of course it's a thing!
and I'm ok with it
(not the PHP, of course)
Hum, room meeting topic to adopt UGT?
 
1:54 PM
@gunr2171 which, entirely coincidental, corresponds to Merican time?
 
@gunr2171 of course, I don't have a personal stake in that word at all. Nope, not biased here at all....
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Why don't we just use Plop? That's timezone agnostic.
4
 
@Sam where's the throwable little rodent when you need him...
 
But that concedes defeat to the squirrel. We can't have that.
 
@Sam So you want to make the room a Daylight Plopping Zone?
 
1:59 PM
We can't plop at night?
 
Sam
@gunr2171 But it'll usher a new age of peace between the timezones.
 
I will definitively plop into bed next. (Am in China right now.)
 
Sam
@Machavity I prefer Universal Plopping Coordinated.
 
Now I understand why veggie talk is such a deal in the python room...
afk pushing code to production
 
Sam
gunr was never seen again
@honk Sleep well o/
 
2:05 PM
morning all
 
Sam
Plop!
 
Plop!
 
good morning to to you in your timezone, Sir
 
I drank a whole bottle of wine last night and it was not very good
which makes this morning even worse
 
@TylerH mhm, I prefer my grapejuice to be unrotten as well.
 
2:07 PM
It was a Malbec which is my fave
but it was a different label than I've tried before... won't be getting it again
 
@Sam thanks! See you in a few time units ;) Plop!
 
So can we combine a time debate, Overwatch and a Nathan Oliver reference? Yes we can
 
@TylerH Was it labelled "Product of France" and "Export only"?
 
@StephenKennedy I don't know; I can look when I get home
but I don't think so
 
I have a general question, now that I have a bunch of software with MIT license!
 
2:15 PM
@Compass voted to close, licensing questions can be asked on--- oh
 
Assuming a question matches my API perfectly, the correct way to answer a question would be to provide the necessary code, then mention that it has been API-fied, provide the link to the API, and then disclose my authorship, is that correct?
 
@StephenKennedy The wine itself is from Argentina
most Malbecs are
@Compass that sounds fine
 
okie
It took me a few hours to separate my api from its library =w=
 
@Compass What sort of API?
 
@Compass you should write a second API that separates APIs from libraries 8-)
 
Sam
2:20 PM
@Compass Code-only answers aren't particularly helpful though.
 
@Yam not sure why Chris left that comment; it still sounds like he just wants a general method name
 
user177800
@Makyen I forgot to come delete the first one apparently.
 
I would explain my code =w=
I am not a monster
 
Down to 10 close votes, been a busy day...
 
Sam
@Compass oh right, you didn't mention :D
 
Sam
@Compass Yeah, and maybe even have a meta discussion to back you up as an additional link.
 
@JarrodRoberson np. I got busy using up my remaining votes prior to 0:00UTC. Sam took care of it before I was done.
 
OWO
 
@Yam attempt was made to improve with MCVE. I assisted with formatting. It is better than original request. Retracting VTC. Can an RO remove this request
 
@Nkosi Agreed, retracted mine as well
 
2:42 PM
1 message moved to SOCVR Sanitarium @Nkosi, per your request.
 
@Makyen Can unpin the place tag stuff. Tag is all closed now
 
@Makyen thx
 
@Machavity dis[place] the pin
 
@JohnDvorak I don't have any actual numbers, but, IME, if you feel the question FireAlarm posts about is worth a cv-pls, then it's helpful to post a separate cv-pls for it. When I do, I usually include the text "(FireAlarm)" in the reason. FireAlarm posts are archived sometime after 30 minutes. cv-pls requests stay for 3 days, or until closed, and show up in the request review.
When running the archiver, I commonly see FireAlarm posts to questions with 0–4 CVs. For those, I will normally go to the question to evaluate it. For those I feel appropriate, I'll routinely post a cv-pls request. It's unclear how many would have not been closed without me doing so, but they are certainly closed sooner with the cv-pls than without. At a minimum, posting a cv-pls results in other people knowing the question has been evaluated and what someone thought of it.
 
3:12 PM
 
3:34 PM
production deploy complete. the fires didn't spread any more than they currently are.
 
I kinda feel like SciFi.SE needs to have its privileges bumped up a factor... scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/185503/…
 
4:22 PM
@Makyen Just to be clear, you recommend posting a cv-pls for a current FireAlarm request if the first person to do so and even if it has 4 close votes already?
 
@StephenKennedy just as a visual note: if you put the "NATO" before the link, after the reason, it's more clear that it's NATO (like your last request indeed)
 
@Adriaan I could do but it makes harder to edit quickly (I cv-pls with user script then rush here to edit 'NATO' in before Makyen is summoned)
A NATO check box next to cv-pls on the close dialog would solve both problems perhaps...
 
@Yam anyone with vb.NET knowledge to comment on this? I have no clue whether the added code is sufficient
Ghe, we cv-plsed a Q in here today, which was heavily edited, to such an extend it could be reopened, then the OP self-answered xD
 
4:39 PM
@Yam @Adriaan Still unclear
 
@StephenKennedy cheers. Care to tell him why?
 
@Adriaan Not really, but I left a few words anyway.
 
4:54 PM
\o
 
@Adriaan It's not terrible now
 
@RiggsFolly now deleted, think they may have had an "ouch moment" :-)
 
Sam
5:20 PM
@Yam alive
 
Yam
@Sam Let me think about that for a moment...
 
@Makyen your script is lying to me
The tooltip of the 20k+ button says the tag was not included in the request by me but I did include it
I think that explanation bit is not much use anyway, and the tooltip can just read "the 20k+ tag indicates that the question can only currently be deleted by users with 20k reputation or more"
which also fixes the issue of it currently saying "more than 20k" rep which problematically excludes people at exactly 20k who have the privilege but, according to the tooltip, do not
 
@TylerH OK. I can make it so that it only states that when it's needed. Currently, it just assumes that it needs to correct whatever is in the messge.
@TylerH I can adjust it, but, so far, where the script makes that sort of adjustment to messages being displayed, it's tried to be reasonably clear that the change has been made by the script, and not included in the original message.
 
And that's good
but like I said, I included it in my message and then went back and made sure it was there via an edit after I saw that tooltip
since the tooltip was essentially telling me I didn't do something I definitely did do
 
@StephenKennedy I'm not clear on what you're asking. I'm not intending to say that you should post a cv-pls for questions after you're the 5th close-vote.
 
@Makyen 4th
 
5:59 PM
@TylerH I can understand how that could be confusing. I'll add not correcting it when it's not needed to do so to the list of things to do. Frankly, it's doing it this way because it was easier to assume that it needs to always be removed then added (when enabled).
@StephenKennedy There are a reasonable number of general cv-pls requests which are placed when there are already 4 CV. Frankly, what I was trying to get to was that you should treat questions which FireAlarm brings to your attention basically the same as any other question you encounter. If you feel it deserves a cv-pls, then post one. It's just convenient to also indicate that the source was FireAlarm (e.g. the "(FireAlarm)" text I use).
 
@Makyen Good point, and thanks for clearing that up
 
@StephenKennedy The script allows you enter whatever text you desire as the reason through it's normal interface prior to posting the message. Are you asking about having another checkbox in CV-dialog?
BTW: the version in development already automatically adds "(NATO)" to those which are actually sent from the NATO page (on which the current script doesn't run), but that's doesn't appear to be what you're asking for.
 
@Makyen That's the idea I thought might be worth exploring, yes. Human workflow: open Close dialog; choose reason + tick cv-pls + tick NATO; vote
@Makyen Those will both be worthwhile and welcome improvements
wrt the current interface yes one can enter a custom reason, but I have RSI symptoms so like to use the canned responses where possible in order to cut down on typing
@NathanOliver I want to reopen it because of the answer... but, as it's written, what actually is the question? I'm thinking it needs an edit from a friendly expert
 
6:16 PM
@StephenKennedy The question is: why doesn't cout << Color::green compile?
 
@StephenKennedy I'm certainly willing to consider it, but then where does it end? How many different checkboxes would we eventually need there and for what additional text? In general, the cv-pls (request) popup allows you to enter whatever you want. Hmmm... I can understand the desire to reduce the amount of typing that you do. I'm just not sure how best to implement/improve that.
BTW: Given that you aren't actually sending these from the NATO page (or for questions which you got to, or were brought to your attention, via NATO) I'm not sure why you're adding it to the reason (although it's not going to hurt).
 
@NathanOliver according to Kermit - it's not easy being green? :p
 
of course, I don't watch that stuff or disney films or anything okay? My nephews and nieces made me do it, okay? :p
 
Uh huh, The nieces and nephews... looks at all the disney decorations all over the dog house
 
6:22 PM
@Makyen Not sure I understand :). Is it or is it not a requirement to add "NATO" to cv-pls requests when they are old and came to my attention because of new answers?
@NathanOliver That's more like it. Added my +reopen, thanks.
 
@NathanOliver sssh
next you'll get me to admit I've bought all the sound tracks from Disney animations or something... not that I have or anything... cough
 
And lets not forget the mickey mouse chew toy I saw you hiding the other day ;)
 
lol
 
@StephenKennedy It's not a requirement. It's reasonable to do so, and I sometimes/usually do so. IIRC, the original request was that such be added to requests which result from questions which were visited as a result of being brought to the person's attention through the actual NATO page, which is part of the 10k tools.
As to other questions, it's nice/helpful to know, but if you're adding it because you're worried that there's going to be a problem due to the age of the question, you don't need to worry about that. Having a new answer is something that bumps the queston to the front page and results in more attention. It's something that's included in "have recent activity on the question (Edits, VLQ/NAA answer)".
 
6:31 PM
@Makyen Ah. I shall have to digest this but it sounds like I can save my fingers by not typing NATO at all. Not until I have 10k rep anyway :)
 
@StephenKennedy You still will encounter NATO if you frequent other queues or the normal tags. It will avoid being asked why a cv-pls to an old question pops up. IMO that's worth addind 5(!) characters
 
@Makyen is it an idea to make the US not post the date of initial posting, but instead the 'last active' date? i.e. the time stamp on the end of a cv-pls message might show a date in 2013, whereas it was active today (possibly a new answer found through NATO)
 
@Adriaan That's certainly possible (in some circumstances, but not all). We'd need to check around to see how people are using the information and what's most useful to them.
 
I never look at the date on the message posted here
 
@TylerH well, it's there and I presume that the "NATO" or 'recent edit' or w/e indication that it has been active recently is there because that timestamp looks odd otherwise
 
6:42 PM
@Adriaan I was just responding to Makyen. I agree with you that the last active/modified date would be more useful than the date posted date
 
@TylerH Agreed. Or both, if they differ by date?
 
What's the virtue of sharing the posted date? And of sharing that when you are also sharing the last active date?
 
@StephenKennedy initial date is hardly useful I'd say; if it's e.g. a 10 year old tool rec people will see that soon enough
 
Anyone know what the S indicates when you hover over the Dec 27 17 timestamp in the red box of this question's timeline? stackoverflow.com/posts/13630229/timeline
oh, maybe it is split; e.g. the review was a split decision
 
Nope
@TylerH if you hover over the s itself you will see simultaneous dates
 
6:57 PM
hmm I see that as well
 
@SmokeDetector "luncheon meat"? :P
 
I dunno, spam's quite tasty, I hear...
 
@Adriaan One answer also a little bit of more explanation a bit below that.
 
@Makyen I know what it is, but why is the term used? Especially in this case, as it's garbage/random characters, not dead animals
 
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Q: There are [multiple] reasons to burn this tag

Erik von AsmuthI recently came across the multiple tag, which I'd like to see burn. The main reason is that it's not a programming concept, thus not on-topic for the site. The tag has 194 questions, 54 followers (somehow), no wiki or excerpt, and there's virtually no commonality between questions on this tag. ...

 
7:10 PM
@Adriaan It's something that's, intentionally, not being openly discussed.
 
alright
 
@Makyen thanks, I had forgotten
 
7:52 PM
@JarrodRoberson you posted that last one earlier, now moved out of the transscript
 
8:23 PM
@Adriaan let's not migrate this
 
@JohnDvorak why not? Looks like a bug report on SO. Could do with a bit more info, but it belongs on meta
 
SE doesn't support firefox extensions, unfortunately
 
well, self-deleted, I guess they'll self-copy to meta instead
 
@ErikvonAsmuth we don't moderate meta ...
 
8:36 PM
@rene Discussing it is also not appropriate? I'd just like a second opinion, not votes or anything (I'm not very familiar with what is and isn't an appropriate answer on meta, it would be my first NAA flag there). If it's not appropriate, feel free to remove it.
 
@ErikvonAsmuth no, we keep meta discussions out of here to prevent that we are going to have second opinions on a post that is about this room
 
huh, what?
 
@rene Ok, clear, thanks for teaching me and removing the message. I guess I'll just rely on my own knowledge, and see if it gets declined or not.
 
I kinda like SOCVR being kept completely separate. It's nice and peaceful here after fighting on meta all day.
 
Is there a peaceful place of any sort on SO? :)
 
8:43 PM
I mean if fights are what you want, we can bring fights here :-D tabs! no, spaces! vim! emacs! smooth peanut butter! crunchy peanut butter!
@E_net4 Yes, the FORTRAN tag
because no one goes there :-P
 
@E_net4 some chatrooms
 
@TylerH Good to know. :>
 
Ruby, namely
 
@JohnDvorak That too. :)
 
Hi all! o/
 
8:48 PM
o/
 
@Makyen TESS SpaceX launch delayed by 2 days :-(
 
@TylerH :-( Thanks. I hadn't seen that yet. Given that the launch window was 30s, that's not too surprising.
 
additional testing was cited as the reason
0.o
 
And I thought we were rating content...
 
Zarza isn't a pharmaceutical company or drug or anything suspicious
just some municipalities in Mexico or some place
 
9:17 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels still not useful though
 
@JohnDvorak: I don't disagree, and if I answered it, it would be with a community wiki, but I have to give the guy credit for improving the question. It's rare to see this.
 
9:46 PM
@E_net4 Yes, SOCVR moderates content, not users. Charcoal HQ/SmokeDetector (SD) is exclusively about spam/rude posts across the entire Stack Exchange network. As such, they do pay attention to users. Frankly, for what they do, they need to, as spammers/trolls will commonly post on multiple sites both under the same account, different accounts, under various names, or the same name, etc. Paying attention to the user/username helps for what they are doing.
SD reports posted in here are only for Stack Overflow and are usually about content. Occasionally, the reports are because of the user. Mostly, this is due to the user previously making some type of post which resulted in them being placed on the "blacklist", which just gets their future posts/edits reported. They are automatically removed from the blacklist upon the first feedback from chat that what was reported was a "false positive" (i.e. that the post was OK).
 
@Makyen :+1: Yep, I know how bots can blacklist some users and such. :) I just found this one intriguing.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels The question is now open
 
10:03 PM
 
Sam
10:59 PM
 
Yam
11:09 PM
GraveRobber started.
 
@TylerH At least the halt was called before fueling was started. I doubt that SpaceX likes moving fuel/lox around any more than absolutely necessary:)
 
11:49 PM
@TylerH: thanks
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels This is missing the link to the question.
 
@Makyen: oops, reposting
 
Sam
@Yam die
 
Yam
See you guys in the next timeline o/
 

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