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12:07 AM
@YvetteColomb you suck at SOCVR tagging :)
 
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@Jean-FrançoisFabre did you see my formatting
 
Where do I report voting fraud?
 
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre ink!!! LOL
 
user3956566
@GrantGarrison mod flag
 
Ok
Thanks
 
12:09 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I don't think this should be undeleted nor re-opened. It does not even ask a question. (And if we anticipate it's a debugging request, it lacks the necessary information, e.g. an error message)
 
user3956566
@GrantGarrison yw
 
I wonder what the genesis behind Quaternion's meta question is all about.
 
@Olaf I'd undelete just to ping OP to tell him to clarify. Well, maybe I'm being too nice.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre To me the question reads like "I have no idea about C (or even any of the two languages), but tried something which doesn't work. Anyone else correct my code." In other words: I don't think there is any clarification to be expected, expecailly as OP deleted it instead of editing - despite the comments.
 
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre undelete to say - hey I made a mistake - your question still sux
 
user3956566
12:15 AM
lololol
 
@YvetteColomb Interesting view. Ok, I'll reconsider if I change my mind. Just delete it afterwards again ;-)
"When is the best time to kick an opponent?" - "If he is lying on the ground already".
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Maybe something to do with this?
 
user3956566
@HovercraftFullOfEels oooh really not a favourable question
 
user3956566
@Olaf LOLOL
 
Thanks, you're probably right
 
12:21 AM
Well, I heard most people wake up before noon. That means they go to bed pretty early (i.e. before 04:00h). I'll giove it a try. Good night everybody.
 
user3956566
@Olaf night \o
 
Sam
 
 
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7:02 AM
@SmokeDetector plagiarism?
 
7:25 AM
@YvetteColomb got carried away with that question. Let it be. I'm revising the way I'm performing reviews. Adding an attempt isn't enough. It has to be a question in it. I found that obvious that there was one (ex: the attempt doesn"t work). But there wasn't
 
user3956566
7:55 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre that's ok - we meant well
 
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Q: Burninate embedded-code

Lundinembedded-code says "For questions on code embedded in web pages. Not for embedded development; use just the plain tag [embedded] for that." I would suppose this tag was created by someone who got tired of people constantly misusing the embedded tag. However, looking at the 41 questions with this...

 
8:27 AM
@Machavity I would say gunr is... what kind of energy would then be released by the gunr/anti-gunr shock?
Plop everyone
 
8:46 AM
@PaulStenne 200 Mega Electoral Votes
 
9:02 AM
@J.Steen is posting code-only answers this long allowed? As in: so long that they need 2 or even 3 answers to post all the code? Should we comment in such a case, do nothing or directly escalate to a mod? (See the answer here, they've got more of those cases on other questions)
looks like TLM is already on it, at least partially
 
 
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10:17 AM
@YvetteColomb But who the hell is Dave?!
 
@DavidG The brother of Alice who the f** also no one knows.
 
> Crawling, diving, turning, running.
Something itches, chafes at my soul
Can't see the light, smell's stunning
bad questions, burn them all
 
@Adriaan If that's how it is here in the moring, I really can't see any good waking up early ;-)
 
10:39 AM
@MartinJames Looks like typical copy-pasta.
 
@Olaf Likely, yes:)
 
11:07 AM
@Adriaan Only if you're a Nobel prize winner. I don't think answerer "visa click" qualifies.
 
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@DavidG it's poetic licence! it had to rhyme - well at least make an attempt to look like rhyming! LOLOL and you weren't pinagable! :D
 
12:25 PM
ninja'd again
 
12:39 PM
Oh FFS... OP 'forgets' to put ''without using if statements, functions, or loops' and 'I'm only allowed 3 variables'' in question, so wasting everybody's time on contrived homework. I really hate these abusers:(
 
Hello
If a question is zero-voted + no answer + closed marked as duplicate, will it be roomba'd?
 
@Basj After a year, yes
See the Roomba page for a full list of qualifications
 
but I can't flag it as dupe because it is already closed
@Machavity if you're mod could you post it as duplicate?
 
@Basj I'm not a mod. Mods have their names in blue in chat
 
Oh ok
 
12:45 PM
@Basj if you could make it not too broad then we'd have something to talk about, but I don't see how this could help future visitors
 
You can just flag. No need to ping mods instead.
 
At any rate, a mod closed it as Too Broad and I'm remiss to reopen it just to dupe it
In all honesty, I'd just delete it and move on. It has no downvotes
 
Generally, things closed for the wrong reason don't get reopened just to be closed again
 
@StephenKennedy lol, 'for academic purposes' - criminal hacker wannabe.
 
Morning
 
12:47 PM
o/
 
@MartinJames We should start our own cryptocurrency. We can call it CloseCoin
 
@NathanOliver Good Mooooooooooooooorning America!
@Machavity lol
 
@Machavity mine it by using the CVQ?
 
@NathanOliver I'd say use the web server, but it always seems to have issues
 
12:51 PM
When a question is deleted, does it stay forever in the SO data dump?
/ in the SO database?
 
@Basj yes, although visible only to >10k rep
 
Are there some cases when it's really really deleted from the data?
 
It's not in the data dump but it is in their DB
 
(I don't need it but just being curious)
 
@Basj An SO dev with DB access could delete it, but that's exceptionally rare
 
12:54 PM
AFAIK It has happened but You could probably count the number of occurrences by hand
 
@NathanOliver I've seen at least one case where someone needed to debug some DB code, and forgot to anonymise actual valid bank account entries of the said DB, including people's names, addresses etc
 
@Adriaan Yeah. I also know there was a case where someone posted actual medical information from a DB for an MCVE.
 
1:11 PM
I know this meta question will probably he highly downvoted: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/364720/…
but I don't understand why. Do you have any idea why people like the idea a < 10k user can't find his deleted question anymore?
There is probably a good argument, but I cannot see it, thanks in advance if you can tell me
 
Most likely people downvote because it's a duplicate
 
@JohnDvorak ok I see
 
Personally I think it would be nice for anyone to see all of their deleted content. I'm not sure what good it could do but I just want it.
8
 
@NathanOliver can a <10k user see an answer they wrote on a now-deleted question?
 
@Adriaan Don't know but this policy is weird:
 
1:20 PM
@Adriaan Nope, and that is something I also think they should have
 
Imagine I wrote a question, not much attention, 0 vote, then someone randomly downvote it 1 year after. Boom roomba'd!
I can't find it anymore
 
I've missed that a few times as well, it's hard even if you technically have the privilege (10k+)
 
That's weird...
 
@tripleee deleted:1 will show you all of your deleted content.
 
@tripleee: this is the goal of this feature request: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/364720/…
 
1:22 PM
Huh? you can... but you'll only see the question and your own answer and only if you have a link.
 
@NathanOliver yeah but the on-site search sucks so completely that you want to go via google or something
 
@NathanOliver When doing user:1422096 deleted:1 it shows all my questions
not the deleted ones
 
@tripleee Tru Dat
@Basj That's because it is only avaiable to 10K+ users
 
@Basj you can only use user:me or your own id when searching for delete:1
 
@JonClements can you see the question even if that's not yours, deleted, and you have less than 10k rep?
 
1:23 PM
@Adriaan if you've answered it, have a link to it, and it happens the question is deleted, you should be able to see it
 
@Adriaan if you have posted an answer which was also deleted when the question was, then yes
 
@EJoshuaS Might wanna reject that edit
 
@JonClements no it doesn't work, I tried
as a < 10k user, this query doesn't work
 
@Basj yup... it won't... you can click "show deleted recent posts" under your tab thing... that'll show stuff within the 60 days... but until you get the 10k priv, you can't show all your own deleted posts
@Basj are you looking for anything in particular?
 
@Basj You can't search for your own deleted questions, sadly. I learned that the hard way
 
1:30 PM
@JonClements Yes, the particular thing is: sometimes you spend 30 minutes writing a question including details, description of the problem, screenshots, research, etc. Then it's downvoted (I accept it, that's the rule! that's life :) ) But then I find it sad that I can't search it anymore 1 year later
I mean for future reference
 
I'm still not sure what side of the fence I sit on allowing people to see their own deleted content. However, I know I'm firmly against anyone being able to see someone else's deleted content.
 
@JonClements Totally agree with someone els's deleted content.
But at least his own deleted content should be available ;)
 
@JonClements the latter makes sense in terms of spam and irresponsible, angry youth
 
@JonClements You can pick your friends, and pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose?
 
I'll decipher that one later :)
@Basj are you looking for a post or... ?
 
1:33 PM
@JonClements No, it's a general thing that I'm a bit sad about loosing some all posts of mine...
Without knowing which ones I'm loosing :)
 
@JuanCarlosMendoza you need [tag:java] for it to render as tag (same for every other tag) and you can't use )](link), you need something between the bracket and the square bracket
 
Oh... well, have you tried clicking the "show deleted posts" thing at the bottom of the Q/A stuff?
@Basj I can always provide you with a list of posts if you really wanted...
 
@JonClements Oh that would be nice, at least I could bookmark them somewhere ;)
@JonClements Which "show deleted posts" thing? I can't find it
If you mean "user:me deleted:1" it doesn't work
 
@Basj Incidentally, if you were the delete voter, you can see them in your profile under Activity -> votes -> deletion
 
@Basj if you go to: stackoverflow.com/users/1422096/basj?tab=questions (right at the bottom there's a checkbox)
 
1:39 PM
@JonClements it shows me nothing, and probably doesn't include the 1 year Roomba'd deleted content
 
oh... yeah... newest is more than 60 days...
@Basj unless there's something you really, really wanted, I wouldn't worry about it though?
 
@JonClements It's the fear of losing self-written content, sometimes detailed report of complex problems, and then I fear of having the same problem in 2 years and have to start from 0 because I can't find it anymore :) (because it was Roombad)
 
@Machavity@Adriaan thanks. My first time here
 
@Basj devil's advocate - not all is roomba'd - some is self-deleted - so ummm.... perhaps not something really that great maybe?
 
@JarrodRoberson Ok, who are you and what have you done with Jarrod?
 
1:48 PM
@Machavity lol, I gifted a reopen vote. Doen't happen very often:)
 
@E_net4 Also request for library
 
@VadimKotov Aye. Pick yer poison.
 
user177800
2:04 PM
@Machavity he went to another dimension and I got switched with him.
 
tackles the potted plant
 
@Compass Hey, be nice to rene squirts cat with spray bottle
 
flees
 
2:22 PM
@NathanOliver where's your nomination? Or do I have to report you to the RSPCA?
 
@JonClements I keep going to write it and the answers to the questions and I keep think while I'm doing it do I really want to to this right now. Most times I come up with no. I though I wanted to run, but when I get to it I just don't think I want the extra responsibility right now. After taking a few months off from SO and just getting back into it I think I shouldn't run right now.
 
Smells fishy, flagged for spam.
 
@Nathan it's best you don't then I guess.
 
That's what I figured. Maybe next time I'll be ready again.
 
@NathanOliver there's a huge amount of importance what you can do here as an RO as well...
 
2:34 PM
Yep. I'm just starting to do site moderation again and being more active here so that fills my plate right now. Who knows. Maybe in a month or so I'll start hitting the review queues again, well not H&I, but the others :)
 
SOCVR expertise would be appreciated in this question about Triage guidance at meta, it looks like instructing reviewers to pass close-worthy questions to H&I (without corresponding adjustment to guidance for H&I queue)
 
@NathanOliver Feel free to help out in Trogdor. Just as important at this point
 
@NathanOliver I've always found that a level-head means more than stats - but... I only get one vote in elections, and I'd never want to see someone in them that didn't want the punishment position
 
@JonClements It's not just about the stats, although a lot of people seem to care about that, it's just getting back into the swing of thing for me
 
Can a RO remove my last request. MCVE added.
 
3:04 PM
@Nkosi → 1 message moved to SOCVR Sanitarium, per your request
 
@Makyen ty
 
@Nkosi Anytime.
 
@VadimKotov good reply to IsThisJavascript comment, ah ah.
 
@Cœur Flagged it as Not Needed
 
Is there a community queue to review comment flags? Or is it for moderators only?
 
3:16 PM
@Cœur Mods only. But enough rude flags on a comment will delete it
 
@Cœur I got fed up with crappy questions. But more than that I'm fed up with people trying to be funny/sarcastic in their replies to newbies
 
@Cœur Goes fast anyway; I flag >20 comments on old questions every now and then, and usually they're gone within 30 minutes. It usually takes a mod <5 seconds to determine whether a comment can go or not is what they told me; only for complicated cases, i.e. when you use a custom flag, it can take longer
 
why do we need ? I've just stumbled upon that, I thought such questions go to tag
 
3:30 PM
still a garbo question
rummages for lunch
 
4:09 PM
@VadimKotov You could post a merge request on meta for those tags.
 
4:25 PM
@snakecharmerb We need a link to the question.
 
@Makyen fixed :)
 
@snakecharmerb Thanks.
 
4:45 PM
@Adriaan matlab code hardly counts as an external resource
voted too broad instead
 
@SardarUsama already up there
 
5:06 PM
@PetterFriberg I think that's spam. OP didn't ask for a tool and it reads like a testimonial
 
@Machavity I'm not sure (maybe in good faith?), I will not flag, so dv and that action is the only thing I can do :D
I could custom flag, but I don't think we need mods, if user posted another similar one I would red flag.. but only 1 post, I don't have enough info
 
@PetterFriberg If the OP was asking for a tool, I give them the benefit of the doubt. But if it's pure coding and they plug a tool I don't
 
baah, "What code do use to trim strings?" --> Answer 1: "asd".trim(); Answer 2: Use apache commons...
 
@Machavity I'm not saying you are wrong.. I just can't find historical data about people spaming that, hence I'm going the safe way.
 
5:12 PM
@PetterFriberg It's all good. It's a grey area. It's going to get nuked either way
 
For sure
 
Looks like spam to me. Amos Friling is the CEO of QPROS.
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/amosfriling
 
@gre_gor Good find. Undisclosed affiliation
 
5:40 PM
I am sure I wrote "fn instead of f". somehow "f" converted to "serverfault". A bug? @Machavity
 
@Makyen ^
 
@SardarUsama Hmm? Not sure what you're saying
 
@Machavity I thought you were one of the author/contributors of the script
 
@SardarUsama Nope. @Makyen is probably your guy
 
@SardarUsama @NobodyNada @Machavity That's expected behavior. There are several single character substitutions (single character surrounded by spaces) which are performed on the request text to make writing reasons a bit easier. I'd suggest putting such things in code format fn instead of f. There is a UX issue, which will be addressed in the next major version: You get a live preview of the request and a tooltip telling you what the substitutions are.
 
5:50 PM
@Makyen Makes sense! Out of curiosity, why is the shortcut f instead of sf?
 
@NobodyNada All of the substitutions are only a single character (either at the beginning/end of the reason or space delimited). That was chosen before my time, so it's for "historical reasons". :-) As to why f, s is used for "Super User".
 
@Makyen I see :)
 
@Makyen Maybe a paperclip popping up would be a good idea … ;-)
 
@Olaf That might work. :-)
 
6:05 PM
@Makyen Just make sure you go on a loooong holiday after release. Preferably some island/planet without Internet (which would exclude the moon in few years according to latest news).
 
@Olaf Sounds like a good idea. :-)
 
6:24 PM
Thanks
 
Been spending some time in and I can almost say it's worse than Java for FGITW.
 
@MartinJames didn't even see your message :)
I still don't understand why people with high rep (and possibly C gold) keep answering obvious dupes...
I'm glad I have mine. I seem to be the only one using it (BTW where the hell is Antti ???)
(you can delvote the dupe now :))
gone...
 
whistles
 
6:42 PM
@NathanOliver Where does this end? Keep asking questions like "Why can't I put a while statement between an if statement's condition and its block?" or "Why can't I put a for loop in a case label?"
I think these should be closed as "unlikely to help others" or "unclear/too broad" (it's the syntax).
 
It's clear, not too broad and unlikely to help others is how it was resoleved (typo). None of those apply. There is nothing wrong about asking about basic features of the language. There are some pretty highly voted Q&A's out there that are really basic. If you don't think it is useful then down vote it. I don't see any close reason that is suitable.
 
Sam
7:00 PM
 
7:16 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis It will end if this kind of wannabe programmers learn they can't learn a language like C or C++ from youtube. I call them "pattern matching programmers". They just learn how to write a specific code pattern, but not really new code, just because they don't get the fundamental concepts e.g. what is a statement, an expression, etc.
@SotiriosDelimanolis Actually it's the grammar, not the syntax ;-)
 
@Olaf All too prevalent:( 'How can I get second char from my string? What library calls should I use?'
 
@MartinJames: our hyperlink BS friend again answering when closure as duplicate/unclear is required. I have added and a duplicate target, so C gold badge owners enjoy
 
@MartinJames IMO this is problem not even related to programming, but general ability to deduce a specific construct from few general rules. That's of course a necessary skill for programming, so everyone not being ablke to should just take the other direction at the street crossing of life.
@MartinJames After all it's not string-theory.
 
@Olaf :-|
 
We need a lobby. But then we are too busy dealing with stubid questions.
 
7:31 PM
@TylerH I say "Click ON delete"
 
@Olaf SO are not interested in stopping the flow of bad questions, only in bums on sites. Deadbeat students read job ads, so they are welcome. It's just the way things are. Eventually, I guess I'll folow so many other experienced developers and just stop wasting time on SO altogether.
 
@MartinJames so you've grown weary of the site?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I just clicked "delete".
 
@Olaf as long as it's deleted..
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre … and not undeleted by a mod … ;-(
 
7:33 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I enjoy learning from it still. Moderating, not so much:(
 
for the , I think a mod will never do that.
@MartinJames do you answer questions sometimes? I found out that I learned more from answering than just watching. Must be the way I work.
 
@MartinJames Worse: they get IT jobs.
 
@MartinJames while you're answering, you're not moderating at least.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Sure, but now only those that are really interesting. The missing checks on system call returns and missing terminators get a comment if I'm in a good mood.
 
@MartinJames those are typo questions, of course.
 
7:37 PM
@Olaf Of course. They learned to con interviewers by asking disguised homework questions on SO.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre touché
 
@TylerH 3 delvotes to go... that will never end...
 
8:01 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre some day
 
Are we allowed to ask to close/delete more than once?
 
Nope.
I suppose we could implement an age away mechanism like SO does but right now we don't. You could add it to the next room meeting if you want.
 
that's what I thought. thanks
 
so burn this documentation question anyway :)
 
8:04 PM
@MartinJames Yes. Oh, Brave New World.
 
@MartinJames any good duplicate you think of?
 
And then, some day in the future, a low-level thing will not work. And no one will be able to fix it. Because no one knows the basics anymore. And the whole civilisation will crash like domino.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Those dupes are so bad that I cannot abide spending more than the absolute minimum effort on them:(
 
after a while you keep a bookmark list so you can close them before someone answers the same thing over and over again.
 
Aaaaanyway, I've had enough for today. Imma off to inspect the beer quality at teh club:) AFK
 
8:07 PM
(more efficient when you get a gold badge, else, it doesn't matter...)
Yeah, get a life for all of us
 
Changing the hammer for a club.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre At some point there is no advantage, because your list is too long and google just has the smarter search algorithms.
 
true, but I store the ones which happen all the time. Python chatroom has a good list as well (for Python obviously :))
(googling wastes electricity)
@TylerH meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/308825/… this guy nominated himself for moderator... then backed away
 
8:23 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre He was forcibly backed away by Shog
didn't you see the MSE post about it
 
no you have the link?
 
looks like the answer was deleted, I am trying to find the question
I only commented on it
 
I wonder if such guys read the text around their own. He sure knows how to blend in :)
 
maybe the whole thread got nuked
it linked to meta.stackexchange.com/questions/274114/… but I can't find it in the linked Qs list
 
don't sweat it. never mind
I like gossip that's all :)
 
8:32 PM
oh man, this review was confusing.
I saw it and saw that I had edited it, then thought "I don't remember making those comments underneath the question..."
 
@TylerH wrong Tyler, Tyler.
 
also wow @Jean-FrançoisFabre I didn't remember that I answered that meta Q. I scrolled down and saw it just now. Weird, that feels more like last year than 2015
time flies...
 
it was mentionned in Election chatroom transcript that's why I pinged you.
 
ah, chat link?
 
8:38 PM
lol
just click the down arrow to the left of someone's message and click 'permalink' usually
 
oh, sure. Thanks.
 
@TylerH You can also just right-click the down-arrow and "copy link address/location". I, eventually, realized that you don't have to open the popup to get the link. :-)
 
@Makyen ah nice
 
@Machavity you got an audit on an answer you commented on! that's cheating. Audit system should know better.
(I'm not going to post a meta question about this, don't insist :))
 
@Machavity Why don't I ever get ones like that?
 
@KenWhite Because you didn't slip Jon some money failed too many other audits
 
@Machavity Ah. I'll have to fix that then.
 
@KenWhite Wrap it in triple dashes
 
9:26 PM
@Machavity Thanks. Was just trying to figure that out. :-)
 
Ron
o/
Got UB?
 
Yeah I have 1000+ UB votes.
any dupes?
 
Ron
Sadly no, hitting the sack. Nigh y'all.
 
9:32 PM
o/
 
Sam
 
10:29 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre How?
 
Sam
10:51 PM
 
11:50 PM
Evening all! o/
 
Sam
@BaummitAugen o/
 

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