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12:26 AM
@NathanOliver @Makyen Can one of you please remove my previous delete-pls, mistyped.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis → 1 message moved to SOCVR Sanitarium, per your request
 
12:45 AM
@MikeM. Worse: he found someone doing private support. I wonder if this is mod-flag worthy, after all, this is the opposite of the community idea.
 
@Olaf Meh, probably not worth a mod flag. I think the general opinion is, if someone wants to give out their personal contact info to do individual support, might as well let 'em. They'll burn out on it soon enough.
 
@Olaf Unless they are doing it repeatedly, or asking for money, I would assume good faith here; just leaving a comment and deleting is probably enough.
 
@BaummitAugen @MikeM.: I'm not so much after the cucumber, but the - quite pushing - Dracula. I think I saw a meta about this some time ago, but I can't find it right now.
Anyway, I'll wait with the flag. Thanks
 
@Olaf Ah ok. Won't the auto Q ban deal with that anyways?
 
@Olaf I know we're not supposed to discuss users here, but that account is going to eventually go away, if you know what I mean.
 
12:58 AM
If there's a Meta that says otherwise, Meta would count of course.
 
@BaummitAugen Auto-ban for which reason? Unless he asked more than this question (can't see from the profile). Doesn't that need more than one question?
@MikeM. That was my idea behind the flag. But, well, maybe it's better to wait. Most things (dis)solve automatically.
 
@Olaf If that was their first question, they'll probably be able to post one or two more, whatever the exact rules are, if they don't learn, the system should handle it soon enough.
 
@BaummitAugen That is the problem. I'm just out of garlic.
 
@Olaf Yeah, I get ya. I just figure that a mod would decline a flag for that specific reason. I could be wrong, though.
 
Whoever decides to answer the unanswerable questions before that happens: I guess that's on them.
 
1:06 AM
Well, I've rarely seen such a blunt request to do someone's job. Plus someone jumping onto that train. But, well, if someone gives away their mail address to a vamp, it's his own fault.
 
Off to bed now, cya tomorrow. o/
@Olaf Yeah, exactly.
Unless it's an ad, it's their own problem to deal with in the end, Q ban should protect the site itself.
 
@BaummitAugen Nighty!
Hmm, sounds like a good idea. Olaf has left the building
 
Sam
1:24 AM
 
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2:13 AM
 
 
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4:23 AM
@hou o
 
 
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8:03 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels sorry, I was just so annoyed that super-cucumber 100k+ rep gold badge answers that super triplicate and gets 9 upvotes. What the hell? I added 3 duplicate links, Martineau added more duplicate links... That's one of the most annoying things of the site. cannot even bring it to meta.
 
That sounds all very re-assuring when you are elected as a moderator.
 
@rene you mean? (vaultah added more links, not Martineau). This user has some history on the site. It's the one who "challenged" me a few days ago, and who thinks that duplicates aren't an issue... go figure.
 
Sure, you're awesome
 
thank you. I thought you were ironical. As a moderator, though, I don't think I would use my super-powers to do more than that. Maybe I'd discuss with other mods about such things in private... But let's not anticipate too much.
I just hate when highrep users do that, that's all. The guy cannot ignore that it's a super triplicate (now 6 duplicate links) in all languages, including c, c++, probably c#...
 
8:47 AM
@MartinJames enouigh of those questions!
 
9:38 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre OK, I answered something, for a change:)
 
Ron
o/
 
Ron
Nothing beats a good night sleep after a 400km worth of job interview.
 
@Ron Don't inteverview and drive. It's more dangerous than drink/drugs:)
 
Ron
One of the questions was to invoke UB ?! I overflowed a signed integer. They didn't know what I was talking about.
 
9:45 AM
..if convicted, you may be sentenced to five years in a dead-end job doing legacy maintenance.
@Ron Oh dear...:(
 
Ron
Lol, from what I gathered, that is the job.
 
@Ron lol
Programming Porridge.
 
Ron
Haha.
 
@Ron Still better than Death Row, (PHP).
 
Ron
Nothing comes close to PHP, true.
 
9:59 AM
@Ron classic ASP?
 
Ron
Eew.
Back in the days I used PHP + Smarty. It was nice.
 
10:22 AM
Waffle ninjad
 
@MartinJames Cool! way to go!
 
10:39 AM
err, I heard that Python chatroom was a voting ring some day, but thought it was gossip. Sometimes I'm more inclined to think that it's true.
Questions got 10 & 20 downvotes. Related?
some wonder why I'm not visiting there that much... I think SOCVR followers has more moderate decisions.
(I just checked the last logs)
ok the questions are bad. But -20??
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre eh, this question shouldn't even be deleted for being rude or abusive. That's just straight up abuse of that flag
 
@SamuelLiew My point exactly.
unless if you consider "gimme ze code questions" as abusive. Sure they are, but not as abusive as they should be deleted/locked/buried away under sha512 encryption
I guess the modz just slipped on the wrong button :)
BTW @TylerH I don't remember if we say "slip on the button" or "slip the button" :)
I'm beginning to believe that the question was locked in order to stop the non-constructive commenting... and the downvotes
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I don't think mods even had anything to do with that question
 
the question is locked. Can it be done automatically?.
(that's not a trick question: I don't know either :))
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre yes, it seems automatic. Abusing how the system works (Community)... someone needs to monitor such automatic flagging behaviour
 
10:51 AM
ok the title is really too much I admit "Somebody do my university project for me"
@SamuelLiew that's partially why I'm bringing that up here :)
Oh I remember now: 6 flags and it's automatically locked IIRC.
sth like that
 
treated same as spam flagging
that is not how completely new users should be treated
 
@SamuelLiew agreed. It's so easy to bash new users. You're talking like a mod candidate now :) :)
not to mention that if some user gets question banned, since he has 1 rep, he can open another account and retry that stunt. Exactly what we should prevent.
I was wondering why I didn't have so many flags on my account (only 200). Now I understand: I almost never flag questions. I just downvote/close & sometimes delete. That's sufficient unless OP starts insulting or spamming.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre nah, I just really hate antisocial behaviour. Everybody starts out somewhere and should have a chance of getting to know how to use the site properly and not getting stomped on. I can't believe this is even allowed to happen
 
yeah. A racial slur / holocaust enthousiast / spam for viagra post wouldn't have been treated worse.
ok that last one qualifies to burn in hell.
 
I mean, the original question was already closed. Do they have to rub it in further and nuke the question with abusive flags? They could even have deleted it normally if it comes to that. Now this poor newbie can't even Edit/Improve their question
 
11:19 AM
@SamuelLiew yeah. Abuse of powers... Well I doubt that this leecher would have improved the question, though. But there are worse questions that don't get such treatment.
 
@SamuelLiew Sorry, but every new user gets the [tour] at the first logon. It is pretty clear what it is and that question is so very clearly about cheating his way through his exam, it might be even considered legally problematic (not sure about other countries, but in Germany you can loose your title for cheating and that hit even some ministers here recently). I think that could be very well seen as "abusive".
 
11:54 AM
@FireAlarm Even on Twitter these would be off-topic
 
12:40 PM
@Olaf If not abusive, it is hugely disrespectful to ask skilled and experienced developers to do your uni assignments for free while you go down teh union bar and get ratted.
 
@MartinJames Can we agree it's both? Abusive to the site and disrespectful to the devs and bad attitude in general not letting one expect good things for a future job and his co-workers (resp. students).
 
@Olaf Sure, we can agree on that. Others, though, think it's not actually abusive and so the bone-idle, selfish, deadbeats should be treated better, like they are suddenly going to change into respected citizens overnight:(
It was likely a troll anyway:(
Wow, this is shaping up to be a really bad w/e for h/w dumps:( Shields up!
 
@MartinJames Maybe it's just lack of experience with such folks in the job. I had more than my fair share of "colleagues" asking me to do this or that or explain basics to them. Or "use compiler XYZ, because gcc is broken as the code crashes, although fine (despite obvious UB)".
 
Ron
1:07 PM
And I don't mind the OP's rep.
 
@MartinJames self-answered showoff-with-macros question backfired.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Oh - I didn't read it all. The title alone had me reaching for cv.
 
I think it's a self answered question in disguise. Post question, then post prepared answer a few minutes afterwards to avoid the "teacher" effect of self-answered Qs.
Not punishable in general, but soooo visible here.
 
1:25 PM
Panic! Read only mode coming
 
@rene [sigh] can't we have that tomorrow?
 
Nope
 
1:40 PM
read only now in place
and we're offline
 
The meta page looks good.
 
LOL
back in read only
and we're back
 
that was quick
 
It's running from Colorado now
 
How can you tell? Direction of the electron wind?
 
1:53 PM
It said so in the livefeed ...
 
(wasted my CV on a duplicate, when there were several issues so duplicate wasn't applying)
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Interesting. We had the same question recently stackoverflow.com/questions/49336094/…
 
2:08 PM
@Olaf Same author. He does post code, but he doesn't explain the code or the problem
Just states, "this doesn't work well..."
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels "Same author" - agreed, but different account.
 
different throwaway account.
 
2:27 PM
posted on March 17, 2018

We’ll be upgrading from SQL 2016 to SQL 2017 on our primary clusters between 9:00-10:00AM EDT (13:00-14:00 UTC) on March 17, 2018. We expect to be read-only less than an hour and in full maintenance mode only a few minutes. For more details, see our post on meta.stackexchange. If we’re in maintenance and you can’t see that post, try again in a few minutes!

 
"If we’re in maintenance and you can’t see that post, try again in a few minutes!" that's bot humour?
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it is all a bit after the fact ...
 
2:42 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Anyway, some cucumber answered with code, which has probably already been copied out and submitted. All the time and effort and votes spent on getting rid of the original and dupe have now been wasted and the OP has managed to con SO out of another bag of O-neg. SO is becoming a joke, now. I bet the students are laughing at how naive and stupid SO users are to be pwned so easily:(
 
3:01 PM
@MartinJames Nah, no one's laughing as they likely don't give a whit one way or the other, and there's the problem
And someone up-voted this crap question
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels The actual problem is they feel smart and clever how they cheated their homework. And will do that in the future, of course and eventually will cheat through their job. Simply because it works.
 
3:24 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels let it go, it's deleted now.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre: I've let it go a while ago. The up-vote remark was for another question
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels In these times, maybe someone thought writing a gramatically and syntactically correct sentence is an accomplishment already. Standards are lowering.
 
Sam
4:19 PM
 
4:34 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels yeah, I know.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis answer with a code screenshot and freehand circles !
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Maybe we should have kept it :\
 
yeah, I hesitated during 1/10th second before pressing "delete"
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre C/P error. corrected
 
why people still get rep on obvious java dupes beats me.
(well not on this last one obviously :))
we should definitely burninate : problem solved.
 
5:05 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Add , , and some others and we' ll be happy. That leaves PHP for Martin.
 
Ron
5:15 PM
o/
 
Ron
5:29 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Are you sure. Why reason about the UB?
If it's UB to begin with. I am not the C guy.
Ah, blast, flag retracted, voted to reopen.
It outputs 216 in online compiler.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'm strictly against re-opening. It is asking to explain UB, which is always pointless without access to the platform (and even then it could legally change on the next run).
 
It depends on the size of the long double but that is implementation defined, not UB.
 
Ron
Interesting point there.
 
@Olaf I respectfully disagree with you on that one. Let's see how it goes. I'd really need a reference on how it's UB.
 
Sorry, gtg - honestly.
 
5:35 PM
@Olaf remember your Atari-ST days. How do you get the value of a hw register in C?
(when you have it's address as ... integer).
@Ron good move. If the Q is really crap, someone else will close it. But that's really not sure.
 
Ron
Do I go with a 17" or 16" wheels on i30? I lean towards the uglier but more comfortable 16".
 
6:09 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis oh no not again :) I just voted to reopen that last one.
 
Yeah, I disagree with its reopening :(
 
it's interesting. I've edited as much as I could, maybe not enough.
@SotiriosDelimanolis that's your right. I respect that.
(but you don't have pointers in java :))
you also don't have close/open/delete wars :)
 
Ron
ROs, please discard this CV request of mine.
 
Ron
Much obliged.
 
Sam
6:13 PM
np
 
6:50 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I just added a cv. I cannot see how that Q is useful to future SO users/visitors. It's just another 'explain trash code':)
 
no sweat. That's what votes are for. In that case "explain trash" got a zillion votes: stackoverflow.com/questions/12659486/…
(but that was a long time ago)
we can't agree on everything, that would be suspicious :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre True. Some people like pineapple on pizza..
Then again, that is an extreme case. The pineapple-lover and their entire bloodline should be exterminated to prevent contamination of the gene pool.
 
pineapple on pizza. Just not possible :)
 
Possible, and tasty
 
..on second thoughts maybe I should lay off those kinds of posts, even in jest. You never know who or what might be listening...
 
7:05 PM
Someone with my address, you mean?
 
Hey! Homeland Security and TLA's - I was only kidding!
 
Sam
7:37 PM
@MartinJames rene is always watching...
 
Ron
8:06 PM
@MartinJames Software reads this, not humans. It does not accept apologies.
;)
When given an opportunity to ask a question on my final interview I asked if there was a subsidized hot meal restaurant.
 
8:40 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That's not the same. The question has UB and implementation-defined behaviour in several places. It is clearly not about volatile and hardware registers, but according to OP about Linux. (Oh, and I just have to think about my recent and ongoing projects where I use hardware-addresses). I'd considered leaving/re- open if it was about interpreting a pointer.
 
oh you're back :) Note that I wanted reopening just to get a formal answer. I wasn't going to answer myself. I think it's just a simple pointer arithmetics issue.
(and yes, implementation defined just because the size of long double can vary)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Back and stuffed with Gyros and Tzatziki :-)
 
Nothing worse than an empty stomach.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre It already start with how the pointer is represented. Plus on 64 bit Linux e.g. it is UB due to the different widths of int (32 bit) and the pointer (64 bit). Plus the compiler could do anythig from the code. I don't see re-opening just to drop a comment or get an answer to an OT question is imo a bad idea. I'm also sure there are tens of dupes about why a pointer printed as int produces this or that result. THe arithmetic is a completely different subject (and elementary C).
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Well, a full one is also not optimal. I took the middle, that way I'll have a fine dinner with Bifteki tomorrow. I just wonder where I can get Tzatziki on sunday from a shop
 
Tzatziki is on sale on monday mornings in france :)
@Olaf: if it's a duplicate, then suggest one (yes, it's very possible) and I'll close.
first time I'm flagging there...
 
Ron
8:56 PM
Cpp tag is getting swamped with homework dumps.
But that's old news.
@YvetteColomb Sup Yvette?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre As I wrote: it is two questions in one, although OP does not understand it is due to lack of basics. It's a typical "spoon-feed me, I don't want to read more than the absolute necessary for this particular problem (and will most likely ask another question about almost the same, just with irrelevant variation)" question.
 
@Ron At least stuff gets closed decently fast.
 
Ron
@BaummitAugen That is true.
I wonder how other tags are doing?
@Olaf I asked my prospective employer if they could spoon feed me ;)
 
The big ones not better I would guess, Java, PHP and the like maybe even worse.
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/49341846/…: poor guy has initials "stfu" and got bashed where those really are his initials...
Same thing happened to Walter Theodore Fulton.
 
Ron
9:05 PM
Haha.
 
If you want to dodge the hw dumps, you'll probably have to sit around on or or so.
 
I almost flagged his username...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Oh, that's unlucky.
 
@BaummitAugen or . Noone does that anymore for HW
@BaummitAugen one mod-blunder avoided.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I sometimes read it for work. The language that is.
 
9:07 PM
that sucks sooooo hard.
 
Account is gone now.
Dunno, properly written Fortran is not all that bad to read.
 
I was writing a nice comment when he deleted the post. Poor guy will never know that we luv people
yeah, working code is always cool to read. Since you know it works...
 
If you don't have implicit none, stuff is going downhill fast of course. XD
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Well, it does not always work, but at least you get what it's supposed to do. That's an advantage to some of the papers. :)
 
I remember a story about fortran. Guy typed DO 10 I = 1.3 instead of DO 10 I = 1,3 (loop). With all implicits, it created a D010I float with the value of 1.3 instead of performing a loop.
Apparently that blunder cost a lot of US money :)
 
Haha, luckily, I don't have to know the language that well.
 
But the implicits are really bad.
 
saves some punching card space...
 
That spaces are ignored in this situation is not exactly intuitive, either.
 
(kind of tree-friendly, like you :))
Spaces are ... a waste of space.
 
Hehe, you, considering where Fortran comes from, it's understandable.
 
9:13 PM
I had an old computer, the spacebar didn't work after my friends played some shooter furiously: problem solved.
 
You can still write C and C++, just use newlines everywhere.
Well, macros might not work, not sure, don't use those a lot, fortunately. :)
 
It was an Oric Atmos. Only came with crap M$ BASIC.
 
@Ron I never understood why people prefer to be spoon-fed once. I was proud to feed myself as soon I could hold a spoon and never gave up on that. Maybe "does thinking hurt, or why do you avoid it at all costs?" is true for some (most?) people.
 
Ron
@Olaf Laziness is a destructive feeling / state.
 
@BaummitAugen It should work indeed, even for macros. Just use `` at the end of line. Or the tab-key.
@Ron I'm too lazy to be lazy.
 
Ron
9:20 PM
@Olaf I literally asked them if the company can spoon feed me. I was talking about the hot meal cantine.
 
@Ron Oh, they only have soup, mash and the like? What's the average age in that company? 80?
 
Ron
@Olaf I believe it's under 30.
 
@Olaf Linebreaks with `\` still need some space it seems. Tab works, though.
 
Or would giving them sharp tools result in physical attacks?
 
Ron
Hot meal is good. I like companies who provide that functionality.
 
9:24 PM
@BaummitAugen I had to check, but maybe that's what tri- and digraphs are for ;-)
(yes, I know, they are not, but were for Apple ][ and similar.)
 
Also, for farming SO rep, see that "What is that bearded smiley expression?" Q.
 
@Ron Depends. My last customer's staff canteen was ok, but at another they managed to make the potatopes taste like their noodles and both had the consistency of mud ca. 20 minutes after they opend for lunch.
And the taought me Broccoli is originally brown/grey.
I won't tell about the meat.
 
@BaummitAugen They have a picture of me in Unicode?
 
Ron
@Olaf Haha, reminds me of my colleague from a site back in the days. "Do you want some salmonella rolls"?
 
9:30 PM
@Olaf Are you an empty lambda?
 
@BaummitAugen I hope I'm not empty, nor am I a lamb-da (or hier).
 
Ron
Lambdas are great.
 
@Olaf Then it's probably not your picture, but just to be safe: <:]{%> is that you?
 
@Ron I avoid asking for a salmon pizza. Just because I'm afraid of a freudian slip and ask for "a pizza salmonella". It was a common joke when we were students discussing what to order.
@Ron Yeah, I just a lambda-steak from the greek restaurant in a doggy-bag. It was just too much for a single meal. I just hope It'll live until tomoroww. One side I'm full, the other side I'm hoggish when I know there is good food in the fridge.
 
Ron
@Olaf Good, don't be [](){};.
 
9:35 PM
@BaummitAugen Don#t tell anywone, but close enough. I take all fame I can get
 
 
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user47589
11:00 PM
can i get someone's opinion on this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/49335591/…
 
Sam
@Amy Looks like it belongs on SU.
 
user47589
i thought so, thanks.
 
user47589
I'd appreciate some backup on that question. So few people use the acrobat tag on SO that I doubt it will ever be moved.
 
user47589
I don't understand why anyone would act this way.
 
Sam
11:16 PM
@Amy TBH, I don't think there's much more that can be said.
I doubt the OP is even reading half your comments, anyway.
 
user47589
he isn't.
 
user47589
i gave up.
 
Sam
Just need two more CVs to get it closed.
 
@Amy General computing to me. And don't mind about the attitude. Better to back of, just ignore, it will be dealt with anyway, some have to learn it the hard way. Just flag the rude and irrelevant comments as such.
 
user47589
I started out genuinely trying to help him, and sort of got baited in. I'm pretty sure I've run into this particular user before, somewhere deep in my history of flagged comments.
 
11:22 PM
Can we cv-pls an old post if an OP is using it as justification for asking their own OT question?
 
Sam
@EJoshuaS Sure. Just don't make a habit of it.
From the FAQ:
> cv-pls is for questions that: [...] are a bad example used to justify other crap
 
@Sam ninja'd (@EJoshuaS)
 
Sam
@Makyen Oh nice. So that is a thing.
 
@Amy From his other questions, it looks like you just met a kind of help-vampire.
 
user47589
yeah. and i'm sure i've met this guy before.
 
11:32 PM
@Sam Yep. I've lost track of how many times it happens here :-) (Well, OK, I've never actually tried to keep track.) :-)
@Makyen This is why I normally save some CVs until the end of the day. Waiting for 00:00UTC is frustrating.
 
@Amy They are a big family. Anyway, from my own experience (which got me a bloody nose): it's better to not to engange that long and cv-pls early. There just is no use in long discussion. (although it can be fun sometimes to see the rhino run against the wall)
 
user47589
yeah
 
user47589
thank you for the assist
 
Markdown does not work in multiline messages.
Because that's hard to implement, apparently.
 
Keep on trying
 
11:39 PM
Beatne by a tree. Such a shame
 
Ikr. We are already about the slowest living things on earth. ;)
Off for the night, cya! o/
 
Night, @Baum
 
@BaummitAugen Enjoy it. There's no nights off if you win moderator :P
 
@Machavity Wouldn't we better have a fast mod? As he said, trees are not particularily famous for their speed (nah, I really wish him luck)
 

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