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1:04 AM
@Makyen The quality of the ones with recommand tend to be lower overall
 
 
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Sam
2:10 AM
 
3:05 AM
@Makyen Before joining in, I did consider the possibility of misinterpretation by @mickmackusa, but decided not to post a disclaimer as I deemed the chance of that was low, and didn't want to spoil the mood/flow of the banter. I thought that since this room is very positive and has good camaraderie, the intent of the joking would be obvious and any unlikely misunderstanding by a fellow Aussie* could be addressed by apologising afterwards.
I was directly involved in the "bump" thread with mick, and as the exchange was all done nicely, I felt that it would be taken as the lighthearted ribbing that it was intended to be. Besides, since the Bump Incident happened not long before the One-Box Incident, it was obvious that mick **must** be using a new userscript/plug-in ;-)
Seriously, none of my comments where intended to be a personal attack, derogatory or negative in any way. If they were interpreted as such, even if only temporarily, @mickmackusa, I sincerely apologise. I think all the other users involved would also agree with
* Technically mick is a zeroth generation Australian-American and I'm a first generation Australian-Italian. However, an Aussie is an Aussie, and good-naturedly poking fun at someone else's expense is a Aussie national pastime. (Along with the beer, shrimps on the barbie, and thongs - those you wear on your feet, not the ones used to hide your unmentionables.)
 
4:02 AM
@robinCTS I appreciate you saying something. I don't think (at the time or now) anyone's comments, including yours, were intended as anything other than joking around. I did recognize it was possible that the comments could be received negatively and wanted to cover that possibility, particularly given I was going to provide a link to the FAQ, for further information to the explanation request. Unless someone indicates there is an actual issue, I consider it done, or an issue that never was.
 
@Makyen Agreed.
 
@TylerH Yeah... sigh... I'm not surprised. Not correcting the word when the in-browser spellcheck almost certainly is showing it as wrong is certainly an indicator that the user may not be putting that much effort into their question. Thus, they're more likely to be of lower quality. Hmmm... I wonder if we could use a spellchecker as a quality indicator. 1/2 :-)
 
4:26 AM
Is it okay to make a cv-pls request for an old question that was recently bumped by Community?
 
4:41 AM
@ekad Yes. That will put it in front of lots of people, giving it more attention.
@ekad Ahhh.. One of the questions that serially gets bumped by Community to the homepage.
 
5:21 AM
@ekad That was active three days ago. Was there a VLQ answer or something?
 
@EJoshuaS Don't think so. I think it's just Community serially bumping it like Makyen said.
 
@EJoshuaS It was bumped by Community, see the link posted by Makyen above
 
If you (are requiring somebody else to do your) new development, you should definitely be targeting Python 3.x now. — tripleee 57 secs ago
sorry for the wacky grammar there
 
5:37 AM
Dumb question: CMs can blacklist a tag that currently exists so that it can't be added to new questions, right?
 
5:48 AM
@EJoshuaS Only SE employees can. See the canonical meta (FAQ).
 
Yes, generally a CM would do it, right?
 
@EJoshuaS As far as I'm aware CMs ≠ SE employees.
@EJoshuaS Source confirming my previous statement.
 
6:05 AM
is it hw season? seeing many today
 
6:34 AM
@robinCTS That's moderators, though - moderators are per-site volunteers, but Community Managers are actual SE employees.
 
user8097737
Can someone check the user Saddam Khan, he writes several identical answers on old posts for example: stackoverflow.com/a/48865328 and stackoverflow.com/a/48865016. Isn't this spam?
 
@devpuh We usually don't link directly to user profiles here - it creates the appearance that we're targeting users (rather than content)
 
@devpuh other answers also copy.. mod flag one of them and explain the scenario
 
user8097737
@SurajRao is one mod flag enough or is it better to flag every post?
 
@devpuh I'd definitely use a custom flag rather than a spam flag in this case (like Suraj suggested) so that the moderators understand the situation - otherwise they'll probably be confused because it's not directly promotional content. Definitely flag-worthy though.
 
6:42 AM
@devpuh one is enough with links to answers and explanation
 
spam is for unreasonable promotion, I don't think this guy is promoting anything, just finding multiple questions with the same answer
 
@devpuh I'm slightly baffled by the user's pattern, actually - it looks like he's reposted identical content repeatedly (besides the links you mentioned)
 
it's not too unusual to find new users who registered because "finally I have something to post" and then they find all questions which are related and post the same answer
 
Now I'm curious if any of the answered questions should be cv-plsed as NATO...
 
6:53 AM
@EJoshuaS Plenty of them...
 
@EJoshuaS Ohhh! I always thought CM stood for Community Moderator!
 
7:47 AM
Good morning \o
 
8:10 AM
hi o/
 
 
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9:30 AM
lol, 'A linked list is not really a suitable data structure for binary search' - I don't know how such users manage to hold themselves back like that!
 
cfi
Can someone delete this spam for good? Discussion on Meta here
 
@cfi what do you mean? Its already deleted
 
@cfi raise a mod flag and ask for that answer to be spam deleted instead of normal deleted.
 
cfi
I\ve raised a flag, but then (see the meta post) this has been done before
@rene: Hm. I don't see any indication that it's deleted. I can hit 'close' and 'flag' buttons and no 'undelete'. How can I see that it's already deleted?
 
@cfi was the flag helpful? we can't red flag it after it has been deleted.
 
cfi
9:44 AM
The first flag was disputed, that's why the meta post originated (you commented there, too). My flag was just raised.
 
@rene wondering how he can see that answer?
 
hi guys. what to do if user constantly misuses a tag several times? Looks like he did not read tag description. I've did a rollback for his edits couple of times, but what should I do now? He continues to do so. I'm talking about and
 
cfi
My lag was rejected! The image advertise help to rent stuff (in dutch).
 
@cfi What are you actually asking to delete?, the answer is deleted (but not spam deleted), the question?
 
cfi
Uh. My bad. The Meta post is about the answer, and surely I cannot see the answer because it's deleted.
My flag though is about the question. Is it ok to ask a question, and include material to point to a commercially relevant webpage?
 
9:48 AM
That user is in good standing. We're not going to red flag or delete that.
 
cfi
I do apologize for my confusion on the meta post and the deleted answer.
 
It just an image, they don't link to their site, I see no spam.
 
cfi
Thanks for clarification, Rene. Yes, I was surprised about the rep versus the image content. When revising, should I leave a comment instead or is it acceptable behaviour?
Well it's not a link, but the image contains the url in big letters
 
@cfi you need to evaluate the question and if the image is relevant, seems like a valid question to me but not my domain.
 
cfi
Thanks, all
 
9:56 AM
@cfi To answer your doubts more direct, if you have code developing an ad, you are are allowed to show the output of the ad, since this is relevant to code. We can't spam flag that. Then however if it is posted over the whole network, multiple times, by new users... it's time to raise a custom mod flag...
 
Just an example of robo-reviewing : stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/18869342
 
10:09 AM
@cfi I've edited the image as well as the rest of the post and left a comment.
 
cfi
10:20 AM
@rene: Thanks a bunch!
 
 
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Sam
12:27 PM
o/
 
\o
 
darn..
 
Sam
whoops
 
\o/
 
12:28 PM
imagines @Sam busy looking for the rollback button
 
Sam
lol
 
lol
 
12:53 PM
Wots goin' on? ^^^^^^ flag as serial vandal? Account mebbe hacked?
 
@MartinJames downvote is toxic read here
meta's latest
 
@SurajRao Oh.. THAT user. OK, I go buy popcorn:)
It would be kinda ironic if user's account got deleted before the serial-dowvoting script got a chance to correct the original problem:(
 
@MartinJames I checked.. I doubt there was serial voting.. low quality answers (link only/code as images) got downvoted and flagged.. Vlq comments apparently set the user off
 
Are we discussing a user here? :P
 
we are closing nothin
 
1:03 PM
@JohnDvorak sure ...
 
so, discussing users is okay if it doesn't encourage question closure? :P
 
If they trigger Smokey I think we have no other option then to provide context so we can do The Right Thing ™
 
I'm not closing the questions/aswers flagged by Smokey because it's become a meta issue.
 
1:20 PM
Is this question on topic, or even answerable?
 
Not sure what he's asking, but it looks a bit no-mvce
 
@Machavity it is an edge case I think. It might require code to get that license there, in which case @JohnDvorak has a point as it is missing an MCVE. You could also say it is a tool used by programmers and they ask how to use the tool. Maybe it is also on-topic on webmasters,se. I think we should leave it alone, or cv as unclear.
 
I went for unclear
 
fair enough
 
Thanks guys
 
1:48 PM
@Makyen was there a second part to that message?
I'm confused by the 1/2
 
Morning
 
@NathanOliver The merkins have woken up.
Lo
 
Time for a nap then ...
 
@rene Good idea, AFK
 
@MartinJames btw, don't search merkins.
 
1:53 PM
s/merkins/murricans
 
indeed
tis 9AM on the east coast
 
@TylerH ?? it's nearly midnight in Vladivostok :)
 
the east coast refers to USA :-)
 
2:06 PM
Because other continents don't have east coasts
east of England is just a deep abyss, not sea.
 
@TylerH It's 9AM. Do you know where your employees are?
 
@Machavity Local time war ensues.
 
They say the battle between winter time and summer time will haunt the survivors for life.
 
Brace yourselves, the end of winter is coming
 
Syberia just closes on us... end of winter is kinda away
 
2:35 PM
Hello
Can someone help me tu handle a merge of question/answers?
I'm new to this
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Q: Good answers spread in multiple duplicates

BasjAll these questions are nearly exactly duplicate of each other: Prevent that a fixed element resizes when zooming on touchscreen [5 answers] How to prevent (bootstrap) fixed top navigation from zooming on mobile [2 answers, the first one looks promising] Zoom specific element on webcontent (H...

Here are multiple questions that might require merging
 
Merging? What do you mean @Basj
I'm afraid we can't do that
 
@kayess: see the linked post, there are 5 questions that are nearly the same and "good" answers are spread in multiple questions
 
Merging is mod flag only. Way above our pay grade here
 
Also not sure it worths a modflag... rejected
 
@Adriaan Sounds moar like geometry/physics/elec. eng to me:(
 
2:44 PM
@MartinJames simulink is actually a very visual toolbox for MATLAB, which allows you to construct stuff using blocks and wires; handy for interfacing with measurement apparatus such as this here.
@kayess how's "Sorry for my bad ms-paintskills" not noise?
 
@Machavity Yes, in my head
because they are all imaginary
@Machavity speak for yourself...
*cliche and mysterious trailing off of my sentence that never gets resolved*
 
@TylerH It's OK. We all blame CSS
 
3:00 PM
@Machavity Cascading Screen Shutters?
3
 
@MartinJames Well played
 
There are a few items in the queue.
I also just put a few items in the queue
 
@Adriaan Um, it is! Now it's deleted
 
3:16 PM
@Machavity hah, jokes on you. Imgur is blocked at work but I bet I know that is Peter Griffin failing to use window blinds
 
you're no fun ...
 
3:30 PM
please retract previous cv-pls from me
 
Is it a bad sign when a recruiter calls me they'd just sent me an email?
 
Nope, they could have sent you a fax first ...
 
I don't have a landline
can cellphones receive fax?
 
@JohnDvorak I would have mailed you a letter and emailed you to call me when you got it
 
3:38 PM
Makes me think that they are giving you an offer and want to make sure you are watching your email
 
@NathanOliver was yesterday a day off for you? I could watch the Minnesota at Islanders game, which was at 13:00 local time ...
 
@Adriaan Nope. I was working.
 
Bunch of weirdos, those Mericans. Playing hockey at noon at a normal working day during the Olympics
 
It was presidents day so a lot of schools and government jobs had it off. They probably did it so kids could attend. (at lest I hope that was the reason)
 
Or they did it so that a Dutchman could watch it after dinner :P
 
3:44 PM
:)
 
I wasn't as engrossed in the game as when I watch Luleå, but the level is definitely higher out yonder.
 
@TylerH Yeah, sorry. I can see how that would be confusing. It was intended to be: ½ of :-) or that I was ½ serious that spelling errors, or at least those which would normally be indicated in most browsers, could be used as a potential indicator of quality.
 
4:05 PM
@Makyen ah I see
There seems to be no end to the API questions in the queue
 
4:21 PM
@TylerH Call the 'CloseAll('eCloseQueue, "API");' API. If you have a problem with that, ask an SO question tagged 'API'.
 
-_-
 
4:49 PM
@Basj a bit late, but my advice is that you find the best question with best answers, then you vote to close the others as duplicates. Already you will leave an comment on post (possibile duplicate) and if 4 other community users agree it will be closed as duplicate (with banner on top). Furthermore all question will be shown in related. It is not exactly merging, but a simple first step to link the questions (when they are same with same answer).
For merging you would need moderator, I have never requested that, normally duplicate banner is enough.
 
5:41 PM
@techraf That user is nearly 10k, surely they would know how to post on SO by now?
 
At least the user knows how to delete...
 
*Remember to discussion the question, not the user
 
@JakeSymons rep doesn't matter and what @LynnCrumbling says is important, please take note of that ...
Hi @LynnCrumbling \o
 
Hiya rene! Hope you've been well...
 
5:54 PM
I'm okay, yes, thanks. How are you doing?
 
I find myself interfacing with the hardware world a lot lately... GPIO... then circuits. I'm not an EE, but I feel like I would have really enjoyed that world.
 
That sounds interesting indeed!
 
Perhaps in 20 years I'll play around with going back to school. I would love to be able to understand both the software and hardware sides thoroughly :)
In the short term, though... playing with NetMQ
 
You're never too old to learn :)
 
Constant learning is a requirement of our professions... and besides: it keeps things from getting boring :)
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I see you guys have a new RO :)
 
6:03 PM
@LynnCrumbling That is certainly true. Not bored, I don't have the time for that
 
Is there a room meeting scheduled for anytime soon?
 
Not that they told me ...
 
Is this old question with new activity worth closing? Accelerometer & gyro accuracy in different mobile device
Got some off-topic questions in there. Could be too broad also.
 
This C and C++ question asks for gruesome hacks, which some users and/or salad fruits have duly served up. What can I close it as? stackoverflow.com/q/48890177/758133
 
@MartinJames too broad? No mcve?
Can some of the html / browser specialists have a look at this question and tell me (or if you follow the comments respond directly) why that question need to be re-opened?
 
6:15 PM
@rene I went with 'Too broad'. I just hope that none of the newbs take such questions, and the answers, to heart:(
 
@MartinJames yes, they will. I might even bring out my sock-puppet to annoy you even more. I'll start with some UB in C/C++
 
@rene :-|
 
6:36 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis :( '2+2=5' is now right up there with NPE, 'i++ + ++i ' and signed/unsigned integer promotion. I want them all to die a horrible and painful death.
 
@MartinJames We are the reapers.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Never mind 100k rep swag - SOCVR regulars should get a scythe at 100k close-votes cast.
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haha
how close am I hmmm
30.5k booo
at 50 a day, gimme 4 years
 
@MartinJames shouldn't it be 25k, since you can get 200 rep (and a bit) per day, but only 50 CVs (hard capped)?
 
@Adriaan Good point:)
 
6:47 PM
Does the number of close vote you get increase with the number cast like flags?
 
@JakeSymons if only...
 
@dur did you mod flag that?
 
dur
@rene No, should I do that?
 
I just did.
 
Yeah same user answering...
 
7:14 PM
@dur if it both q and a from the same OP's I would raise a flag yes. But others already did, so you're good for now ;)
 
dur
@rene Thanks. Next time I will do it.
 
Ron
7:30 PM
o/
Got job interviews?
isroninjobinterview.travel
 
@dur The unusual thing is that both questions have nearly-identical, accepted answers from the same user. That has indicated to people that there might be some shenanigans going on wrt. both the question OP and answerer trying to game the system for extra reputation points. That is worth a custom mod-flag to suggest it be looked into. Just an OP posting a duplicate of their own question isn't something to mod-flag (it will be declined), it's something to closevote.
However, the more likely situation is that this is two unrelated people, with the relatively inexperienced answerer just seeing another question which they could answer with trivial effort, not knowing that they should flag duplicate questions for closure.
 
@Ron are ya? How is it going?
 
Ron
@PetterFriberg Not anymore. Got a flat tire on my way there.
And a stuck audio CD. But that's so 90s.
 
@Ron darn Ron, change the tire and drive on ;)
 
Ron
Indeed.
 
7:43 PM
@Ron That reminds me that I actually need to buy a reserve tire... this new cars don't even come with that only some strange stuff to blow into to the flat tire
that for sure will not work and you need to call a towing truck
 
Ron
My old car offsets carbon emissions by piping them straight into a passenger cabin.
 
Sounds nice, it numbs you some before interview
 
Ron
Given the questions, numbness is god / exhaust sent.
 
8:10 PM
@PetterFriberg you watching the quarters, tomorrow lunch? Sverige-Tyskland
 
8:59 PM
@WiktorStribiżew try to keep the (dis)-qualification of a user to a minimum, at best they are left out.
 
9:17 PM
Decades of development and still developers are surprised that two different objects have two different references:(
 
It is so annoying to approve an edit and then see "this edit requires approval from another user"
just give people with the editor gold badge unilateral approval or rejection powers already
it's not like it can't easily be undone or fixed by any 2k+ user
 
[feature-request] ^
 
the problem is there is not an editor gold badge
there is a gold badge for 1k edit approvals but it is the same for each review queue
there's also the gold badge for 500 edits approved, which can easily be gotten in a bad way
the ideal criteria would be a combination of a steward badge in the suggested edit queue, the copy editor gold badge, and a specific rep amount, like 10k
 
@TylerH I think that's for 500 edits you made. Approval only applies <2k
 
And either way you slice it, it would be a ton of work for something Shog et al say is an incredibly short tail
 
9:26 PM
@TylerH Perhaps a low audit fail rate, too
 
@Machavity er, yeah, 500 edits made, but I meant 'get' approved, not that you approved yourself
 
Although that would perhaps catch some cv room ppl...
 
@Adriaan I will try, I have mostly watched the highlights up until now
 
When I was complaining about the lack of an edit lock, Shog said the number of instances where there is an edit pending on the post that can't be fixed is so astronomically low that it might be zero
in most cases you can just not be an idiot like me, and just click edit rather than approve or reject
and your edit will supercede the queue and handle the pending one
 
@SmokeDetector off-topic, but not sure I'd call it spam.
 
9:28 PM
@TylerH Are you aware you can just force your own edit, even after having approved/rejected the suggested edit?
 
the only edge case where that is really a problem is when you come across a post that has a pending edit that you need to edit, approve, or reject, and you have already completed your daily suggested edit allotment of votes
@Makyen yes that's literally what the line you replied to says
 
Guess others disagreed.
 
@Makyen I don't believe this
for example, I approved a pending edit on a question, and it said it still needs one more vote to go through
if I refresh the page, and click the edit button, it brings up the review view in a modal window
I still can't edit it
 
@LynnCrumbling If advertising a job isn't spam, I don't know what is
 
There might be a workaround where you go to posts/#######/revisions and click edit
but that's a hack and I don't count that as far as daily workflows go
then again you did say 'force' through
 
9:31 PM
 
which indicates a hacky workaround
 
@Machavity however it was not spam nuked only deleted... baah
 
@PetterFriberg Was marked helpful tho. Gone either way
 
so yes, hacks
all of which use the exact same route
but still, most require user scripts, and none are part of the Stack Overflow expected workflow
 
@Machavity Really? I didn't think they could mark it helpful, but not mark it spam (one implied the other.) Perhaps they changed that business logic for the mod backend?
 
9:33 PM
@TylerH No, there are two routes (manually going to the appropriate URL and going through the SE-provided links on the revisions/edit history page). The answer provides two more convenient ways to get to the edit URL.
 
@LynnCrumbling Looks like it was mod deleted. If 20k users delete something with spam/rude flags it sustains those as well
 
None of the ways in your post are convenient
 
@PetterFriberg I try to see all Sverige's games, though the gold medal one will be tough, that's at 05:10 our time :(
 
And any way that still doesn't address the crux of the suggestion which is to provide a nice-to-have privilege to users at a certain threshold
 
9:38 PM
@Adriaan I'm sad I missed Finland vs Sweden seemed like a funny game..
 
@TylerH If you're not willing to do something that's slightly inconvenient, then you're going to have to wait for modifications to SE, which will likely never happen. Seriously, 2 clicks on SE-provided links is all that difficult? I can understand a point of view of not wanting to install userscripts, but my point of view is that I wouldn't want to use SE without userscripts. Sure, it'd be better if SE improved things, but they've continuously demonstrated that they're unwilling to do so.
 
@PetterFriberg 'twas glorious :P I watched with the missus, who studied in Helsingfors for a semester (and smacks me on the head every time I say "Helsingfors")
 
@Makyen Look, I'm a user, you can't tell me to go install some app just to perform an edit function. And I still feel you're missing the grandest point of all which is that I am simply bemoaning the state of reality
Your workarounds are great. But not convenient
 
@Adriaan it's so nice when you do that final goal... all tension and then .
 
@PetterFriberg aye. Sverige does need to go score more though imo. Other teams winning with up to 8 goals scored in a match, they suffice with 1 or 2
 
9:43 PM
@Adriaan yeah send us over some NHL players...
 
@TylerH I can understand both points of view, and certainly relate to bemoaning the state of SE's reality. It's just that I've given up on being attached to seeing SE actually make any particular changes which improve UX. They've repeatedly demonstrated that their priorities are elsewhere. If they fix/improve things, that's great, but I've grown quite tired of hoping that they might do so in the (moderately) near future, if ever. Sigh.
 
Ron
@Makyen Can we please graveyard this one?
 
Ron
Much obliged.
@MartinJames Got them repz? Go for multi threading gold badge. We are cheering.
 
@Ron np.
 
Ron
9:58 PM
The technical interview today was awesome: "Look, I know nothing about C++ but..."
For the C++ position.
 
@Ron "Ah.. OK, well, you can show my CV to your tech guys or get them to give me a call, so no problem. Say - why not show me around the site a bit and then we can go to the pub for lunch?".
 
Ron
Haha. Exactly.
 
For a question like, "When I do X, does behavior Y or Z happen?", are answers that are basically, "You shouldn't do X because W" not-an-answer? I'm a bit unsure. It's clear that you want to keep the OP from using bad practices, but at the same time, that's not an attempt to answer the question. It's just questioning the premise.
 
@Ron I don't have the user scripts installed.
 
Ron
10:04 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Ah ok.
 
@Ron No, not kidding. Says " I'm not afraid ot talk tech with those who understand it, I'm interested in the working environment here and meeting other staff, and I'm approachable and human" :)
 
Ron
@MartinJames The interview put a smile on my face. Apparently they are a company that rents consultants to the company that rents consultants to a client. !??
 
@Ron lol
 
@MartinJames @ron What Martin says is important. Interviews are at least as much about "does this person fit with our group/company" as they are about "does this person have the technical skill for the position".
 
Ron
I understand the selection process but things are particularly funny when it comes to C++ in SE Europe.
Almost hilarious. And it's PC, I am from those parts.
 
@Ron That's surely not limited to C++ nor SE Europe. Today it is much more important you know exactly those unusable Requirements/etc.-tools like DOORS, Polarion, etc. than being good in your job. At least for the HR people. Sad thing is if you don't get their "ok", you won't even get any close to talking about the actually required skills.
 
Ron
@Olaf Sad thing is there is not even a remotely decent C++ job in these parts. What floats on SO is a far cry from what gets served here.
 
@Ron Well, I think I have quite a good idea what you mean :-(
 
Ron
@rene Governments share the starters, meal and a desert.
There someone in a trench coat knocking on my door, brb.
 
… and nothing was ever heard from him again …
 
Ron
10:22 PM
Haha.
 
He probably reported a pluralization bug ....
Say Hi to Jeff from me
 
Ron
@Olaf The only thing I look forward to on those interviews is a chance to go through some 70s and 80s hits while driving there.
@Olaf The situation in Slovakia and Czech Republic also leaves much to be desired when it comes to C++ in my experience. Poland might be an exception. They appear to have some creative projects going on with Nokia and Intel.
 
@Ron LOL! That's pretty much what I like about those interviews, too. Otherwise I rarely listen to music at home and my private driving is normally too short ways to really enjoy the music. Difference is I normally don't listen much to mainstream (aka "hits").
 
@Justin Looked at some meta posts. In most cases, probably don't flag as not-an-answer, but the answer may still be a bad answer. If the answer completely ignores the question, maybe that's NAA, but in most other cases, it may still be an attempt to answer the question (perhaps the answerer didn't realize what the question really was, for example). It's reasonable to downvote or comment, though, but again it's all situational
 
Ron
10:38 PM
@Olaf Obscure hits ;)
Got the most comfortable keyboard ever. It's a Genius cheapo keyboard mouse combo.
I threw away the mouse part.
 
?
what a waste ...
 
Ron
The model is... Eeer, there is no model. It's a cheapo combo. Great keyboard though.
 
My dad also threw a mouse away. It was walking across the room ...
 
Ron
Logitech M500 is what I am currently using. Get's the job done. Decent ergonomic and size.
 
11:08 PM
@rene The old-fasioned 'spring and arm' mechanical trap is best. Cheese is no good as bait, though. A chunk of soft chocolate/caramel works well, (tear a bit off a Rolo).
 
Hi all! o/
 

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