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12:04 AM
@E_net4 In the future, please provide a more detailed close-reason for your cv-pls requests. "Off-topic" is insufficient, as it covers many different close reasons. On SO, "off-topic" includes all of: General computing (Super User, but really anything that "doesn't belong here"); belongs on Server Fault; is a Resource request; No MCVE (debugging question which doesn't fulfill requirements); Typo/Not Reproducible; Migration (to a few different, but not all, sites); and Other: custom reason.
 
@Makyen Well sure. It was a custom close reason, thus why I omitted it here.
The custom reason still is "off-topic", as in, blatantly off-topic.
 
@rene Well, that's weird. Just tried https://stackoverflow.com/review/user-info/2/1961728 just now and got 3035, which is what it should be! How is that possible? (See my previous post for further details.) cc @Makyen @TylerH
 
@E_net4 Stating that you're using a custom close reason is fine, although I'd normally summarize the reason. You could say something like: "Custom: not about programming and has attracted spam posts". I don't have an issue with you saying "blatantly off-topic", as that's more descriptive than just "off-topic", which could be any of those I mentioned. In addition, "blatantly off-topic" is a close-flag reason, and thus we should consider it sufficient.
 
Will keep that in mind in the future. :)
 
@robinCTS Corrected transcript link to your prior post (just for convenient clicking).
 
12:17 AM
@Makyen Thanks. How the hell did that happen? That was a straight out copy and paste and yet the result was https://chat.stackoverflow.com/chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/412981‌​36#41298136!
 
@robinCTS See rene's message here. It's updated once a day.
@robinCTS You probably copy-&-pasted /chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/41298136#41298136, which would result in this. (removed invisible Unicode characters caused by my copy-&-paste combined with a mis-feature in Chat).
 
12:29 AM
@Makyen But like I explained in my previous post the League has me at 2916 while I'm current at 3035. That's more than the 40 reviews I did since the start of the scrape. Heck, that's more than 80, which is two days difference. in fact, it 119, which is weirdly one off exactly three days worth!? (I've only done one full days worth of reviews since the scrape started.) cc @rene
 
12:40 AM
@Makyen Oh. (-‸ლ) I'm so used to shortening URLs in comments to posts, where I regularly hit the 600 limit that I didn't even remember I had attempted to do so here. I must have deleted "http:/" instead of "http:", just like you said.
 
12:54 AM
@robinCTS I misread your earlier message to mean that it was working correctly and asking how it got corrected, instead of what you intended, which was that the number for you reported in the Stack Overflow CVQ Reviews League still didn't match what SE reports.
 
1:14 AM
So stackoverflow.com/questions/48689518/… has a bounty that has ended and the grace period ended too
why can't we CV it yet?
 
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Q: How long is a question unable to be closed after the grace period expires?

Lynn CrumblingI'd like to close-vote this question as off-site resource request, but can't, due to a bounty. The bounty has expired, and the grace period has ended, so it seems reasonable that the question can be closed voted. How long until it can be closed, after the grace period ends? Is there a reason w...

 
I see
so caching
 
Yeah.. that particular one took about an hour, IIRC.
 
1:30 AM
@Makyen Not your fault ;) I just re-read my post and I can see that the way I wrote could make a reader confused :s You are absolutely correct now, though. The maximum possible discrepancy between what the League shows and what SE reports (given a daily update of the League table) should be the number of reviews done that day. With the League value always ≤ the SE value, of course. I am not the only user with this issue either, as I can confirm two users out of the top 20 with the same issue.
^ cc @rene
 
@gparyani Please use an actual close reason in cv-pls requests. Such questions are normally "too broad" or "unclear".
@TylerH Actually, it's that a script has to run to try to award the bounty. What the exact schedule is for the script isn't specified. I expect we could monitor multiple questions and deduce when it's scheduled to run.
 
1:53 AM
At any rate, it has run now and can be CV'd
 
2:26 AM
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Q: Burninate 'arrayslice' and retag 'array-slice' ( -> 'slice')

smci'array-slice' is a synonym for slice, which I guess was the consensus decision (even though array-slicing has more nuances than 1D slicing, such as this question). But whatever, I guess that alias is a settled decision. My question is: separately, someone created 'arrayslice'. Should we burninat...

 
2:51 AM
@Makyen Sorry about that. Back when I was much more active on SO, there used to be an off-topic close reason for that; I wasn't sure what to use now that that's gone.
@Makyen Out of curiosity, why are users with negative user IDs exempt from the rules against oneboxing? :)
 
3:14 AM
@gparyani I assume you mean Feeds. That's an automated system which keeps cat rooms informed about whatever has been selected for the room. For this room, that's Active questions tagged burninate-request - Meta Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange Network Status.
 
@Makyen Guess you didn't notice the :) at the end...
 
As to why it's exempt, that's the way Feeds posts. I'm not aware of the ability to have it otherwise. The choice was made some time ago that the information was more important than not having oneboxes. The information which it's selected to provide is of general interest to the room. Also note that the rules are that oneboxes should be kept to a minimum, not that "there shall be none".
@gparyani Nope. Missed that :-). I got called away from my keyboard multiple times between first skimming it and hitting return on my response. sigh... I should have gone back and re-read it prior to sending.
 
3:28 AM
Just requesting some feedback on this regex question from my previous reopen request. Whilst I agreed that the question would receive better reception on Vi and Vim, is it still on-topic for Stack Overflow?
 
The other answer flagged by smokey is also NAA
Hrmmm. I think I'm privileged?
 
@LynnCrumbling I, however, am clearly underprivileged.
 
Yeah, guessing that you'll need someone on the smokey dev team to commit your UID to the priv list...
Perhaps Undo?
 
@robinCTS It was not sufficiently clear, IMO, for me to reopen. For example, it's not clear if the space preceding the " should remain, or not. How should multiple quoted strings in a single line be handled? etc. I also felt that changing the question to be specific to vim was inappropriate, despite the OP's clear desire (comment) to use that editing methodology, because they had already received an answer which was partially invalidated by that change (or at least parts now sound a bit off).
@LynnCrumbling How to have that happen is, IMO, specifically left to the user to find out, if they desire it.
 
Indeed.
 
3:44 AM
@E_net4 The question seems like customer support for (your favorite company) (as well as general computing).
 
4:40 AM
@Makyen Ah, I see :) 1) I was aware of, and ignored, the issue with the space as the problem is the inability to convert any regex for use with Vim, not what the actual regex is.
2) The OP actually changed the body of the question, in their first edit, to be specifically the issue with converting any regex to Vim's syntax, but only after the answer was posted. So they actually invalidated the answer. I came upon the question only after the edit, and assumed the answerer had ignored the Vim specific body and answered generally, given the extra and tags (which, of course, I removed to match the question body when I edited it).
Instead of editing the question, what I should have done was roll it back to the first version and request that the user post a new question about converting regexes to work with Vim. I will do that now. Can you please remove my previous reopen request. Thanks for the great feedback @Makyen
 
@robinCTS Done. I'm glad I was able to help. Sounds like what you're doing is the right way to go.
 
5:02 AM
@Makyen You're always a great help. I'll second that previous nomination for President ;-)
 
@robinCTS Thanks. ;-)
 
@Makyen Is that like a thanks as in "thanks for the Porsche for my 40th birthday" or as in "thanks for another dozen pair of fluoro pink socks and matching undies for Father's Day"? (wrt the President nomination)
 
5:34 AM
@rene The Stack Overflow CVQ Reviews League has been updated and my new count, 3036, is correct*.
(*Since my actual count at the start of the day was 3035 and I have completed 40 reviews, 3035 ≤ 3036 ≤ 3035 + 40 holds true.)
 
@robinCTS \o/
@robinCTS Ahh... That gets a into politics. If you really want a more detailed answer/discussion, ping me over in The Ministry of Silly Hats, or elsewhere. However, I will say that I'd look at myself holding that position and see huge responsibilities and an obligation to the people to do as good as job as I'm able. So, no, I don't really see holding that job as a fun thing. ;-)
 
ooo, shiny
is that like since forever, or for some particular time period?
 
5:58 AM
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/o\ @Makyen in reply to your 2nd last post - took a bit of practice to hold that position ;-)
 
@robinCTS nice :-)
 
@Makyen Ahh… No, thanks ;-) I tend to stay away from serious discussions about politics, religion, the weather… you know - anything that can get you in trouble, or flat out on the ground on your back, unconscious.
 
 
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7:35 AM
@SmokeDetector already taken care of a long time ago
 
@robinCTS yeah, it puts your userid on the refresh queue once it is send over the websocket to the scraper. If nothing else 10 seconds later it will fetch your current stats, which if it didn't miss anything is probably up to date to your first review and then never does that again for the day, to prevent being throttled. It is roughly accurate give or take caching ...
 
how is this spam?
 
@SurajRao dunno, maybe someone flagged as abusive?
 
Good morning \o
 
@rene flagged..not r/a. definitely poor question
stackoverflow.com/questions/48861510/… looks like only the devs can answer.. offtopic?
 
7:50 AM
@SurajRao yeah, no doubt about the poor-ness.
@SurajRao yep
 
@SurajRao customer-support question. Some here have a canned custom reason for that
 
8:56 AM
@Adriaan @SurajRao I just used a custom custom customer-support reason just 6 hours ago here!
 
@robinCTS That's the customary reponse, yes.
 
 
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10:48 AM
@SmokeDetector A mod locked that vandalism and silly rollback war:)
 
11:35 AM
^troll post?
 
Sam
12:12 PM
o/
 
1:09 PM
I have no idea why someone felt they needed to edit this, or why reviewers thought it was good
 
@Machavity seems like the user is used to formatting keywords with backticks..
 
@SurajRao I get it for function names, but for acronyms it's unnecessary
 
not saying its correct..
 
@MartinJames So we should tap on the pipe twice for this?
 
1:26 PM
@MartinJames updated
 
@Machavity With questions like that, I would break the lease and move out:)
 
uh, off-topic yes, but opinion based how exactly ...?
 
@tripleee I vtc for 'recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource'
 
The close reason is flabbergasting; while I did vote to close (as requests for off-site resources are not welcome here) I certainly did not mark this as "primarily opinion-based". — tripleee 3 mins ago
 
Oh.. hang on, wrong Q.. the bad questions are getting me confused... I have the doubts.. :)
 
1:41 PM
@tripleee Well, that's just your opinion :P
 
@mickmackusa 'doing a loose comparison' lol, is a 'tight comparison' possible in PHP?
 
@Machavity can you please elaborate on the reason for choosing that close reason? I still don't get it
 
@tripleee Didn't vote on that one (looks OSR to me) but could be read broadly as opinion. It's poorly worded
 
oh sorry, I meant to ask @kayess
 
1:57 PM
its troll would flag it
 
A strict comparison is possible. I don't get the joke.
@Machavity There is some dissatisfaction with my hasty duplicate closure. I elected not to spend 30 minutes combing through all of the duplicates because the low quality answers were rolling in. Can someone add some better ones to the list? Here are few that I could have used: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3084580/the-importance-of-using-instead-of-in-php https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26434011/php-array-search-how-do-differentiate-key-0-from-false https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12870760/array-search-not-finding-0th-element
 
@mickmackusa Some of those were dupes of the canonical
 
@tripleee what's the question? Sorry I missed out
 
@kayess why was the question nominated as opinion-based?
 
@Machavity I don't have my shiny gold badge yet. Can you add to the list please. Whatever you like.
 
2:08 PM
@mickmackusa Hammered the open ones (the canonical does a better job of explaining the use cases)
 
@tripleee nope, I went with Off-site res. But probably more than 2 chosen POB
 
@mickmackusa Not sure if you're asking for something else. I don't have time to go digging for dupes
 
@kayess hmmm, so then three of us didn't vote as POB and still that's what it shows ...?
but it said POB in your cv-pls too
 
@tripleee hmm, I manually had to click cv-pls (the checkbox wasn't available in the close modal) under the post... so maybe it's my bad
 
right, just wondering if there was some finer point of policy I wasn't aware of; thanks for investigating
 
2:12 PM
Yep, although both options (POB/Off-site) seems to be valid in that case
 
@Machavity Maybe just add the canonical link to the list so that better information is provided. If you don't mind.
 
Sam
 
@mickmackusa Add it to what?
 
@Machavity The yellow box of duplicate links on the question
 
@mickmackusa On which question?
 
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Q: Why the array_search not matching?

YumYumYumWhy does example A fail, but example B work? A) FAIL: $request_IP = '8.8.8.8'; $list_Array = explode(',', "8.8.8.8,9.9.9.9,2.2.2.2"); $result = array_search($request_IP, $list_Array); if($result) { // Expecting - to get it success there } else { echo "FAIL"; exit; ...

 
That one-mick box
 
2:50 PM
@kayess Shouldn't that be a mick-box?
 
Yeah, and because it's a mick-box, it's not against the rules! #loophole
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@robinCTS ah carp, my bad sorry
 
@Machavity Shush. Don't let Makyen know or he'll get it plugged at the next RO meeting.
 
3:10 PM
@robinCTS I didn't hear a thing. :-)
 
Is there a script or plugin for the mick-boxes? I wanna install it.
 
You might better ask mick for his plug-ins
 
@Makyen About what? …whistles quietly…
 
a wild @Kyll appears
 
Do the mick plug-ins come with a bump feature for close requests?
 
3:24 PM
@kayess He's still in the squirrel protection program. Call him paul
 
@Machavity lol
 
Er
what happened to Tavern on the Meta
oh duh
Meta
 
@TylerH What happens on Meta stays on Meta
 
@TylerH so what happened
 
3:39 PM
@kayess I coudln't find it
turns out I was searching chatrooms in SE, not MSE
 
@TylerH gotcha
 
 
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Sam
4:53 PM
 
Sam
5:46 PM
 
6:25 PM
Anyone here who knows Python/Flask?
 
@NisseEngström is Python/Flask a toxic combination in the Python room?
 
@rene I threw a python flask into Room 17 once. They asked me not to come back
 
@rene Sorry. I just got some feedback from the Python room.
 
@rene and co re: - unless there's a compelling reason to keep it - we'll be skipping a few steps and just bulk removing the tag tomorrow.
 
@NisseEngström heh, I'm only joking ;)
 
6:56 PM
@JonClements That pleases rene
 
@NisseEngström we've got a contributor(s) to core flask, werkzeug and wtf there :)
@NisseEngström umm... looks like the reviewers just missed that... shame you did the rollback - I would have overridden the approval there had I seen it earlier.
 
@JonClements Oh, I should've thought about that. Sorry. :-(
 
@JonClements That is all good: The burninate process does allow for immediate removal (see step 3. Decision). That you know up front how you're going to handle it shouldn't exempt us from not sticking to the process (I just want to prevent any confusion now or in the future, leading to questions where we (you really ;) ) have to explain what happened).
 
I'm just a tiny little puppy and trogdor is a big scary thing. I'll get the hang of dealing with him sooner rather than later :p
 
Because it is scary, stick to the plan/process ;)
 
7:06 PM
@NisseEngström heh... no worries at all - at least the post is back to being accurate as to what the OP was actually asking.
@rene actually thought I had - but live and learn...
 
You were close and I'm pedantic
 
@JonClements Should I mod-flag next time? Or just ask here?
 
@NisseEngström Mod flag if you happen to notice the same reviewers letting the same things through regularly. Otherwise, you're doing the right thing by making sure what the OP is asking isn't actually changed (and thus lead to people answering a question that didn't actually exist).
@rene Thanks, and yes, yes you are but it's a quality we all know and love :p
 
7:35 PM
@NathanOliver You want us to delete an answer by Rick Astley? I thought you'd given that up, because it let you down...
 
@Machavity but Rick promised he'd never do those things! :(
 
Sam
8:56 PM
 
look at this old burnination gem meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/305981/…
I'm surprised no activity came of it
 
9:11 PM
I wish you could drag tabs in SSMS from one instance to the next like you can with web browser tabs
 
9:23 PM
Hi all! o/
 
o/
 
user4639281
_\
 
omg, they decapitated tiny
 
9:25 PM
Wut? Why does it not render \_ properly?
 
user4639281
\P
 
backslash is the escape symbol
you need two of them to render one
 
\_
But why would I escape _ to begin with?
 
the parser does not care know
 
user4639281
_Reasons_
 
9:27 PM
the center cannot hold
 
9:59 PM
@SmokeDetector he does have a point...
 
I'd say n.
Account is not new and has valid contributions.
 
That account my not be new but it flies in the face of the be nice policy. I'm okay with flagging that as rude/abusive
 
Probably just a language issue; they might be unaware how strong of a word that is. Esp. when picking up English from TV and movies.
 
even unaware they should know it is a 'curse' word
which still flies against the Be Nice policy
that, combined with the interrobang, makes me think they know exactly what they are saying
 
10:12 PM
@mickmackusa when you link to a SO page without using any other text, it creates what is called a 'one box'
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Q: One-boxes of chat sites confusingly turn into main site links

Andras DeakPosting chat.stackoverflow.com or chat.stackexchange.com in chat will one-box these links as expected, but after the one-box the logos link to stackoverflow.com and stackexchange.com main, respectively: Either the links shouldn't one-box, or the original link targets should be kept. I assume t...

like this ^
 
And is that a faux pas then? Too distracting?
 
we have a rule in this chatroom asking to keep them to a minimum. This rule is often misunderstood or misquoted (even by ROs) to mean they are banned outright, but that's simply incorrect.
The room-level meme persists, though
 
OK. Thanks
 
Someone seems to have jumped on that when you posted one and called it a 'circumvention' because it was a 'mick' box rather than a 'one' box
that's all, it seems
 
The sheer frustration of being out of votes again :(
Tag cleanups are brutal on the votes
 
10:21 PM
yep
review queue activity should be separate from your organic browsing activity
as far as flags/votes go
potential feeder list for off-site requests stackoverflow.com/search?q=is%3Aq+recommand+closed%3Ano
 
All you need is one-box (breaks out into song)
 
@mickmackusa I was a bit concerned at the time that those comments might not be understood (or that they be misunderstood to be about you, rather than people expressing their own frustration with the rule), and/or that the one later comment regarding bumping might be felt as negative. I don't think people were intending to be making negative comments about you specifically. I hope you didn't take the comments that way.
Keeping oneboxes to a minimum is something that generates frustration for multiple people, both for users complying and by people not complying.
 
10:40 PM
There is only one box, the xbox... one ;)
 
@TylerH Are you seeing a higher percentage of off-topic questions with the misspelling (i.e. does searching for recommend result in too many which are on-topic)?
Searching for "recommend tool" & the usual suspects: API, library, module, book, plugin, etc.
 
Finding closeworthy stuff is not really an issue anyways, not having enough reviewers is.
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11:28 PM
Do we report stuff like stackoverflow.com/q/48875444/3002139 to sd?
 
Sam
11:49 PM
 

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