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user9107868
12:55 AM
WHat is this place?
 
user9107868
The end of all things bad on SO?
 
@TheOneWhoMade This room, SOCVR, is focused on moderation of content (not users) on Stack Overflow. Generally this is done by working the review queues, or posting requests for others to look at posts (Q & A) with respect to evaluating the post for voting to close, reopen, delete, or undelete. We have a web page, socvr.org, which describes things in more detail. If you're interested, please read the tour page and the FAQ.
 
user9107868
1:23 AM
It told me to say hi. HI!
 
o/
 
1:44 AM
@TheOneWhoMade Hi!
 
 
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Q: Turn off the [music]

MarounThe music tag: Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? Questions tagged with "music" can live without it. They usually refer to a music-related application, which doesn't have any added value when it has the "music" tag. Is the concept desc...

 
 
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9:18 AM
@SurajRao may we please close the answer as unclear?
 
@JohnDvorak naa? I think so.. Its an opinion :p
 
Opinions are answers to questions that ask for opinions, aren't they?
 
the question will likely get deleted... The answer will go along with it I suppose
 
10:00 AM
ludicrious homework question!
 
10:42 AM
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Q: no more credits for [pacman]

Jean-François FabreThe pacman tag (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/pacman?sort=votes&pageSize=50): Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? Questions tagged with "pacman" can live without it. There're generally SDL/pygame questions which could apply...

 
 
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12:18 PM
@SardarUsama That's from a while ago, normally we only flag things that are much more recent here
 
@JakeSymons not really, we close vote old questions as well. Age of an off topic question doesn't make it on topic and it should be closed as well
 
@SardarUsama I was just going by point 11 of the faq where is says recent activitybut as I am relatively new here its best to ask @Makyen
 
@JakeSymons By that point, it should be closed. See the recent activity of that question
 
@JakeSymons it has recent activity, which is what counts
 
@JakeSymons As @JohnDvorak mentioned, new activity is a reasonable criteria. Basically, the criteria is that we want cv-pls requests, and other requests, to be on things which it benefits the community to have (relatively) quick action on. A post that's been sitting around inactive for quite a while, doesn't really benefit the community to be closed as quickly as possible. One that's been bumped with new activity will get more attention on it, and thus closing quickly can be of benefit.
 
Ron
12:35 PM
o/
 
@Makyen 100 messages? Wow, we have been busy. Sunday, I suppose...
 
@MartinJames I'm slowly cleaning out the transcript (mostly old SD reports), & tend to fill moves up to 100. When moving any message which is currently in the chat display, there's a bug that causes display issues if the move is larger than 100, but the script will account for that at this point. I'm also not 100 percent trustful of the script yet, so want to manually scan through those selected for moving. Thus, I'm just sticking to 100 at a time for now, when I'm already moving other things.
 
@Makyen Oh right - you're creeping along so you don't trigger an ambush:)
 
Ron
@Makyen You are doing an amazing job. Just don't burn out.
 
12:49 PM
@MartinJames Something like that. I have done larger moves. :-)
@Ron Thanks. I'll try not to. :-) I've done it before on other things, so hopefully I'll be able to recognize the symptoms.
 
 
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2:51 PM
@Makyen I'd still like to bury a question of mine, but I can't since it's received answers (no upvoted answer though). I flagged moderators days ago, but they haven't responded. How long should I wait? What can I do? Might you bend the rules? (I really can't see any recourse)
 
3:26 PM
The calm before the HW storm....
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3:43 PM
here we go
 
Ron
4:00 PM
o/
 
\o
how's the post bd hangover?
lol
 
Ron
Never better, given that I quit drinking 2 years ago.
 
sweet
 
Ron
After I discovered the C++, that is.
 
bad timing
lol
what a time to quit
 
Ron
4:04 PM
Haha, nice one.
 
is tag farming a term on SO
 
Ron
I haven't heard about it.
Is that related to rep farming?
 
@Nkosi What's that?
 
There are certain tag I follow. like everyone else.
There would the usuals you would see following the same tag
so you would tend to notice when question get edited and such.
 
Ron
Frequenting the tag perhaps?
 
4:08 PM
nah havent gotten to my point yet. lol
 
Ron
Ah ok ;) Carry on please.
 
every so often I see old questions out of the blue being updated
and they tend to be from the person who answered the question a while back.
when I inspect the edit I would notice they tend to only edit the tags.
upon inspection I would notice they are close to getting a badge in said tag that was introduced
I notice a lot more of recent
so the phrase tag farming came to mind.
more or less just gaming the system to gain a tag badge
they would poke the question in hopes of drawing attention and a few more votes on the tag that was introduced.
I just lurk and try to not let it get to me. lol.
So was curios if there was a term related to tag farming already on SO. lol
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Ron
Note to myself: "Don't answer Delphi questions".
@Nkosi You might very well be onto something there.
Very, very interesting indeed.
 
I'm seeing rep-farming on meta. will check to see if it means the same thing
ok found this quote
> "Rep farming" would be making quick, simple, low quality edits over and over again with the intention of gaining rep without effort and with no real benefit to the posts.
 
4:29 PM
@Nkosi I get all my rep from editing, guess I'm a rep farmer :)
 
@JakeSymons We all start off as rep farmers as a right of passage
 
Ron
Geeeez, someone remind me not to answer Delphi questions. Again.
 
@Ron Do not answer Delphi questions, again!!!!
 
Ron
Noted!
@Nkosi Actually I think you should post that on meta.
The rep farming not my dark Delphi past.
 
lol
I thought about it. still on the fence.
 
Ron
4:51 PM
@Nkosi I see people with gold C++ badges who earned them just because the WinAPI tag is always accompanied by a C++ tag. And I am pretty sure some of them would struggle to spell out the "Hello World" in console using C++.
But there you have it. WinAPI C interfaces can be consumed in so many languages.
 
If there is an answer which is not explained well, for example they have given a line of code with no comment, or just something like "you need to alter line x" is that naa or vlq?
Also what would this question be flagged as?
 
Ron
@JakeSymons Unclear / too broad. Probably the latter.
Time for a third coffee.
 
@Ron What time is it for you?
 
5:37 PM
@Ron Couldn't take it any more. Ended up raising a mod flag. It is getting out of hand in my opinion. We're talking about over 30 edits in the last hour alone all on posts they have a vested interest in.
 
@Nkosi Whats being edited so much?
 
same tag farming I was referring to earlier.
the edits add nothing to the original post.
 
@Nkosi Where are the edits?
 
They already have answers on the posts and are basically trying to transfer votes to a tag they are watching for a badge
 
5:55 PM
@Nkosi IIRC, there was a meta about this issue that I read not too long ago. I didn't find it in a quick search. I'm still looking.
 
@Makyen So am I. Haven't found anything definite as yet.
 
@Nkosi IIRC, the gist of the upvoted answer was the more-or-less expected: It's OK, in moderation, iif the tag changes are appropriate for the question and the user is cleaning up any other issues with the posts.
 
6:12 PM
@mickmackusa Unfortunately, no, not here. Frankly, it's unlikely that moderators will delete a question which has answers and might be useful to someone. However, CC-BY SA 3.0 does give you the right to have your name removed from the post. The process is normally called disassociation. How to have that happen is described in: How do I remove my name from a post, in accordance with CC-BY-SA 3.0?
 
6:35 PM
Hi all! o/
 
@BaummitAugen Hola
 
\o
 
@Ron It seems that Delphi 10.1 is named 'Berlin'. I guess it's like the new airport:)
 
rofl
@MartinJames I thought is was like the wall
oh....wait....
 
6:55 PM
Does this question make sense to anyone? 7 upvotes but seems too broad
 
@Machavity Yes it makes sense but it's a low quality question
and probably a dupe
 
@Machavity Sounds like something to do with baked goods or Christmas decorations.
 
asking about what actions trigger the browser to repaint the page
 
There's little funnier than a web developer who wants to write C GUI code with just API calls...
 
Ron
@Nkosi Right move.
@MartinJames They seem to be running out city names given the rate of new version releases.
@MartinJames Next thing you know there will be a Delphi 1024.1 Orange County.
 
7:04 PM
@Ron lol
 
Ron
A decade squandered with that language. In my case.
 
@Ron Once something was learned then I would say it was not squandered. If anything, you learned not to do that again. lol
 
Ron
Also true.
 
And I am sure you wont wait that long next time either. lol
 
@DalijaPrasnikar How did they ask and awnser the question at the same time?
 
Ron
7:12 PM
I have found my professional joy. It's called C++. It will keep me entertained until I reincarnate as a pusheen cat.
 
@JakeSymons There's a checkbox on the ask a question page which let's you post an answer at the same time as the question.
 
Ron
Wait, what? That reincarnation is already taken by @Compass? Oh, snap.
 
I never had such a problem with Delphi, (at least with the early versions). I could blast out GUI/DB apps in hours, the IDE/debugger was exellent and it all compiled to native code, ie no .NET mega-libs and no Java-like 10-minute warmup.
 
@Makyen Why would you ask a question if you know the answer?
 
@JakeSymons O_o
 
7:14 PM
@Ron You mean C++ is turning you grey?
 
Ron
@MartinJames It actually rejuvenates me.
@MartinJames I agree on that part. For invoices and small utils on Windows it was a nice tool.
 
@JakeSymons To share your knowledge. If you've had to spend quite a bit of time finding/developing an answer to a problem, then it might help other people. However, posting a self-answered question is difficult. It must comply with SE's normal format (i.e. be an actual Question and Answer). The question must be on-topic and sufficiently detailed such that others can answer w/o you having an overwhelming advantage in answering.
 
Ron
Somebody stop me before I ask for the €2800 net per month in the middle earth Europe tomorrow.
That's the take away amount I had in mind. Too much, too little?
 
@Ron voting to close as Too Broad. lol
 
@Ron Stack Overflow: Calculate your salary
 
7:27 PM
^ Perfect
I completely forgot about that
 
Ron
@Makyen Thanks for the link. Apparently the data is only available for "the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, France, and Germany".
 
@Ron No worries... Delphi marketing team will find some other silly naming convention soon enough...
 
@Makyen :(
> We currently only have salary estimates for the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, France, and Germany. Help us expand our coverage
 
Ron
@DalijaPrasnikar I am sure they will.
@DalijaPrasnikar I know you were a prominent member of the Delphi community back in the days. May I ask what's your professional technology focus currently?
 
@Ron Hmmm... That seems a bit restrictive. Given the responses they get, I would have expected them to have some information. Perhaps they didn't think it was enough to be statistically relevant. Well, at least you could get a comparative idea of what you could get elsewhere. You could then adjust for cost of living differences between locations.
 
Ron
7:32 PM
@Makyen Indeed. It borders Germany.
 
@Ron Back in the day... well today, too. I am currently Embarcadero MVP. Besides Delphi I am wasting my time with Android Studio and Xcode
 
Ron
@DalijaPrasnikar I see.
I am going for the 2800K net even if that turns the HR manager blue.
 
Ron
7:50 PM
Google's Singapore offices - a far cry from what I am used to.
 
@Ron Good luck.
 
Ron
@Makyen Thanks. My employment will probably remain within the European realm for the time being. But I am so eyeing that S'pore.
 
8:23 PM
WHO DARES RAISE ME ON A WEEKEND
 
Ron
Haha, that would be me.
 
hi
 
Ron
@Compass Visit Spore when you have the chance btw. It's awesome.
 
Out of the people who use this room, am I the one with the least rep? Just wondering about where I compared up.
 
@JakeSymons yes
 
8:32 PM
what is spore
 
Ron
@Compass Short for Singapore.
 
@rene Roughly, what's the average rep, like 1,000 or more up by 10,000?
 
I could thonk
5K or higher probably
almost everyone meets the CV requirement
 
that ^
 
@rene I've got some catching up to do then :)
 
8:36 PM
@JakeSymons I just checked back in our transcript and I think @kayess was one of the members that started here somewhere around 400 reputation at the time and was subsequently stalked for getting some rep
 
@Ron There is food there:)
 
9:31 PM
Does this report mean the link was previously used for spam attempts? And shall be flagged as spam?
 
@techraf The full metasmoke report gives the information that "roundsliderui.com NS suspicious dns2.namecheaphosting.com.,dns1.namecheaphosting.com." What this means is that the NS record from the DNS lookup resulted in showing domains through which a considerable amount of spam-destinations are registered. It doesn't mean this domain is a problem, just that it's more likely that it is.
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@techraf That reason is a fairly good indicator with feedback: 4766 True positives, 108 False positives, and 0 NAA. However, as always, you should use your own judgement as to any specific post. I'd also note that reason (actually, to the best of my knowledge, any single reason), isn't enough for it to be auto-flagged. And, even the auto-flagging gets it wrong sometimes (0.28% of the time).
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9:47 PM
I may have missed the memo. what was the reason for SD's avatar change. not complaining, genuinely curious.
 
Wow, when was this. Oh it was in another room. I see.
 
10:16 PM
It is possibly that I am getting better at zoning out the BS as the level of HW posts in the tags I follow are low today (knocks on wood). :)
LQ, No MCVE, TB, vote and move on. lol
 
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