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00:02
just got 40 more downvotes
how can I go to bed now
@AnttiHaapala Resting, knowing that the serial-voting-removal script will run in about 3 hours.
@Makyen I mean the system granted me the right to cast 40 downvotes more :D
@BaummitAugen Hmmm, strange. There shouldn't be any difference between GM_xmlhttpRequest and the polyfilled GM.xmlHttpRequeston Chrome/Tampermonkey. There should only be a difference in FF/Greasemonkey 4. The only difference should be that on Chrome/TM GM_xmlhttpRequestis wrapped in a (useless) Promise. If it's really causing a problem, when you wake up, you could try GM.xmlHttpRequest = GM_xmlhttpRequest;, as the Promise should be unused anyway.
@AnttiHaapala Ahhh.. Obviously, I misunderstood :-).
01:03
@SmokeDetector still needs flags
01:39
Is there a way to hold/reduce those kind of questions
We always ask the same question: SQL Server or MySQL? at least do not use tags which you don't know what it is — Sami 3 mins ago
@Sami: who are you directing your question to?
@HovercraftFullOfEels click on it
The question was tagged with SQL Server and MySQL
those two are deferent RDBMS
if the OP does not know even on what he work how he can even work?
@Sami: click on what? Sorry, I'm lost here
@HovercraftFullOfEels It's a comment man, question to the OP
Or are you talking about this question:
https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/40100514#40100514
OK, never mind.
Yes, that
01:46
It's a question can be answered by who have any clue about it
02:00
@KenWhite I think it's too broad/unclear instead, even the answer include "mybe"
@Sami That would work, too. I think it's a typo.
02:25
Sorry, if this is unrelated. Just delete if so, can anybody help me with Python for a minute?
@Calvin-Castle While we appreciate your situation, this is not the right room for that. You might try the Python room. Be sure to read their room rules first. However, it would be better for you to search for an answer then post a question on Stack Overflow.
 
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user3956566
@YvetteColomb done
user3956566
@Makyen thanks
user3956566
there's another one wiki edit rej pls- copied content stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/17984762
 
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08:20
@AnttiHaapala try something new and refreshing: php, android, regex come to mind....
@rene I am saving the world by not touching the PHP questions
Just live life on the edge ...
08:37
is this an answer? stackoverflow.com/a/47386269/5292302, first I went not, then baah maybe, do note that if answer it needs an edit (since the first part is related to another answer, needs quote), see revision of answer to understand more
@PetterFriberg dont think so..looks like another question.. flagged naa
@SurajRao then maybe better to rollback and leave link to review?
it's the "I use" part that could be an answer...
@PetterFriberg well OP is saying they basically tried one of the answers there and it didnt work so the post as whole is a question
 
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09:51
just out of curiosity how could OP of this meta make a screen shot of a deleted questions?, even if he has answered he should not be able to see question??? or do you see it?
@PetterFriberg AFAIK you can see your own posts that happen to get deleted from your profile even without 10k rep
@PetterFriberg he might've gotten that from someone else; afaik you can only see your own deleted posts when <10k rep, and questions shouldn't fall in that category if not asked by you
@Adriaan from the question I recently answered a question, which showed a bit too less effort:
@Adriaan beeh it's his screen shot since upvoted...
@SurajRao I was pretty sure you could not see if question was deleted... but maybe I'm wrong
@PetterFriberg nvm there's a comment on that meta where the OP says he can see it.
and indeed: it's his upvote and he doesn't want to discuss that :P
09:56
@Adriaan where??
hmm the only explanation I have is that it was taken with a 10K account that upvoted... (in fact the question has 2 upvotes..)
@Adriaan That does not explain how he can read it.
@PetterFriberg well if he can see his deleted answer, I would imagine it is the entire page right?
I don't think he can see the deleted answer once the question gets deleted only if question is not deleted
10:30
@SurajRao You were right I finally found meta on it meta.stackoverflow.com/a/348780/5292302
10:43
\o
SO is having troubles?
I'm getting "Oops! Something Bad Happened!" on many links
@PetterFriberg works for me?
anything specific?
10:59
no just clicking links, stalls and then error message, reloading tends to work
Hi everyone o/
@PetterFriberg that specific post was deleted as spam. I sometimes do get that result / errors and such, when a post gets deleted. I always blame Fastly for that.
11:17
@rene ok thanks for info
Hiya D&D
11:59
@mega6382 Please provide a valid close reason, and start your questions with . That way we can close quickly, and the posts can be cleaned up by a room mod. You can use the CV request generator to generate requests quickly
@ErikvonAsmuth Better?
@mega6382 Yes, by the book :)
@ErikvonAsmuth well, there is a tilde instead of a dash... :P
But for handwork it's amazingly good :D
3
@mega6382 I moved your earlier request for the same Q out our transcript. I hope you don't mind. One request is enough I think, right?
@rene Yes, it is good actually, I was trying to delete it earlier but there was no Delete button. :)
12:13
Nope, you can only do that for 2 minutes after posting
12:52
Is there a mech in SO where flag in all close reason get stack? I mean if a post need 5 close vote, will it be close when he reach 3 Tb, 2 unclear?
@DragandDrop Yes, all close reasons stack. The one that gets the most votes is the one that's the final one
@DragandDrop Can you please rephrase that? It reads very unclear.
@ErikvonAsmuth though if's it's 3-2 in OT reasons, and the last vote was on the 2, both reasons appear IIRC
@DragandDrop are you talking about close votes or flags (by low rep users)
Ok thanks, I could no find any documentation about it. As I'm low rep Im talking about flag.
If it's flags you're asking about: all a flag does is push a question into the queue. Nothing more, nothing less. So like NAA/VLQ flags on answers: one is enough.
12:57
@DragandDrop push into cv queue
Then in the CVQ the flag reason is presented to the reviewer, who can then decide to close it as whatever, or leave it open, regardless of the reason chosen by the flagger
@Adriaan, So all I did flagging and reviewing, not closed question in chat.stackoverflow.com/… was pushing them into the queue?
@DragandDrop yes, which they presumably already where, since someone posted a CV-pls on them
I use addon to see witch one is close or not.
So I only review 1 day old not closed cv.
@DragandDrop the first close flag/vote pushes it into the queue. Subsequent flags are literally useless. Subsequent votes of course count towards the tally of 5
Basically: reviewing the cv-pls requests in here is a literal waste of time for you in terms of gain on SO's end
Posting your own reqs is fine of course, as that does need 5 votes
I was just trying to close question that fails to get closed, as you guys can run out of vote. But it's ok I will just reach next reputation cap to get my close vote power.
@DragandDrop well, the only harm that's caused by that is that you loose flags without any gain whatsoever. I think most cv-pls requests in here are posted by someone voting/flagging on it themselves, thus you flagging them again doesn't do anything. But please, keep coming here and help out in different ways, such as requesting yourself, and flagging spam!
@Sami why are you asking me, specifically?
Is that annoy you? sorry
@Sami well, that question is not in my real area of expertise nor did I had any stake before in it so I wasn't sure why anyone else couldn't handle it. In which case you could have used a regular cv-pls. Maybe annoyed is not the correct word but I don't think it was necessary to ping me on that one.
13:13
ok no worries
Ron
Ron
13:35
Sup?
I just traveled 250km back and forth only to reverse an array.
Yes!
@Ron Sky?
@Ron if it pays the bill ... :(
13:52
hi o/
morning
Ron
Ron
@rene Haha, nice one. Recruiting process here leaves much to be desired.
@Ron what did they say once you reversed the array? You got it all backwards
Ron
Ron
14:06
@rene They said: "Best array reversal we've seen in years. You are now a member of our R&D team."
here is a cron job that needs to be looked in to, we really don't do anything with arrays
@Makyen Thanks for the info. Ugh. FF57 sucks. Trying out Tampermonkey now...
I'm not sure what to do with these yet stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/18005839, I would so much like to approve it...
if any Swift guy here, check out the answer if ok, why not :D
@Steve you were one down-vote too early. We don't want to be seen as a room that invites for down votes. Try to check if the question is eligible for delete votes once you post.
@Steve you do mean the question to be deleted, right?
totally confused
Don't worry, for a Monday I do fine
@Steve The question should roomba. No need for manual deletion.
14:19
@Olaf it could still be it was for the other answer that I deleted?
@rene Fair enough. Although It has -2, no upvotes and is very recent. I'd waited a day or so if it is accepted. Nothing lost IMHO.
@Olaf I was sure that a question that has an accepted answer couldn't roomba. Am I wrong? I asked to delete the question ASAP because I observed that some answerer was ignoring the hint received through downvotes on their answer and the OP started asking about another problem. But now we can leave it to roomba.
@Steve You are right. But it was not accepted and we did not know if it ever would have been. It was just 30 minutes before written. And we can delete manually even if there is an accepted answer, so waiting a bit longer would not really be a problem. But that's just my opinion, I certainly did not intend to pressure at something.
15:19
so much k
@gunr2171 \o !
Long time, no C!
same. How ya been?
Extremely busy, until very recently. It's been a fun year. You?
15:44
@Mogsdad steady so far. Work's been busy but not overly so. Done a bunch of gaming with Nathan.
We even did some games with the squirrel yesterday!
How is our armored rodent buddy?
He's in Romania currently
changed his avatar/name :(
still mispronounces "scout"
MY APPLICATION IS IN OWO
tackles the scratching post
make sure not to shred the application by accident
@gunr2171 8-0
15:49
I was really confused why you said "eight - zero", then I realised it was a face
hehe
I guess he went chasing work? Or nuts?
I think he's still doing studies
I am here.
Hi here, I'm gunr
Hi there, I'm not...
15:51
attaches to gunr's head, ratatoille style
@gunr2171 "studies"
Hi there, I'm a letter AND a cat, at the same time.
Sometimes I think that I should make a bot to make dad joke responses
15:55
DADJOKEBOT.exe
That was a quick delete Brad ...
Anyone looking for a relaxing video to watch on break? owo
Here you go: hand-made candy panda youtube.com/watch?v=8-3Xe7RMg3w
You can't make it without irony ...
16:12
irons the irony
@TylerH let's not do that
@rene feel free to move the message to the sanitarium if you want
Tanks in a dance
This is my fav.: Tank you in advance!
We gonna get tank'd
@PatrickHofman lol, I am pretty sure the border crossings weren't factored in there though :D
@kayess tank you = accept without upvote.
This is how they might mean getting tank'd lol
16:26
@TylerH I hoped we would refrain from linking to user profiles, but I guess that is too much asked.
@rene There's no rule against linking to user profiles that I'm aware of
stackoverflow.com/search?q=thinks+in+advance thinks in advance is also popular... wondering what that could be in programming context... maybe ideas for refactoring?
only against moderating users
Ah, didn't know that.
Though if that's problematic, then we should think carefully how we craft such a rule - it could be circumvented in this case by simply doing a question search filtered by that user. Posting the resulting link here wouldn't technically be "linking to a user profile" but it'd be the same effect/for the same purpose
it'd have to be something overly broad such as 'don't talk about specific users in a negative light' but then half the people here would be in violation of that rule on a near-daily basis 0:-)
@kayess the full phrase is actually not that popular stackoverflow.com/search?q=%22thinks+in+advance%22
Ron
Ron
16:34
*Ron excluded.
Haha. Sorry. Carry on.
@TylerH : (
user posted the same question twice in one day
and now "thinks in advance" is fully removed from SO
Tanks in advance.
Cats in full retreat. Send sandwiches.
@TylerH you might touch a deeper fundamental issue there, yes. Maybe it is just me who dislikes that so much.
Linking a profile in a negative light can be misconstrued poorly.
As "not saying we are vote brigading" but implied.
Like "Isn't Elmer Fudd evil? Wouldn't it suck if all his carrots were stolen" type of implied condoning of bad things happening.
17:00
@Sami I'm going to disagree there. I think the question is plenty clear. The "I tried this and it didn't work" needs expansion though, but I'd rather downvote and move on rather than close vote.
1st the OP say a string not an URL to upvote the answer.
2nd the OP does not show ny effort just "I try".
Also, it's unclear at all what can be the logic to covert it as a date from "11%2F13%2F2017%2000%3A00%3A00"
so @Compass are you gonna burninate thanks in advance? :-P
I AM ON IT.
\o/
17:17
I gave up! Quit while you're ahead!
17:29
@Compass You could do it with Magicâ„¢!
Hey all:
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 47 mins ago, by Mithrandir
It's come to my attention, after a discussion with a CM, that the vandalism comment needs to be changed.
(click for transcript, it's continued)
@quartata thanks, I'll check our auto comments
basically just drop the disassociation part is what we decided
We copied most of our autocomments from yours so I thought I'd stop by though
Yep, here's the page. That's an easy fix.
Do you have a userscript or just copy-paste?
there's probably a lot of other autocomment userscripts that need changes too
@gunr2171 ah
oh so it's generated from the Markdown
jekyll-style
mkay
Ugh, who's the person who adds 2 spaces after periods?
yep, it's nice that way
fixed
I used to add 2 spaces after periods
However, as I started writing longer essays, I stopped
@gunr2171 are you handling answer.md as well: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/auto-comments/blob/master/…?
@rene whoops, doing
17:41
OK
done
@Sami can you refrain a bit from linking questions here together with a disqualification of what is posted? You can ask if something needs to be moderated and if so how or you post a proper CV-PLS. Anything else will only bring us trouble and I don't fancy defending your actions/post in this room on Meta. (for reference: don't do this). thanks
I wouldn't call it spam. I'd call it nani the bleep owo
@rene Sorry, I post the link here cause this room is SCVR room, I don't know what would be the proper choice to deal with such question and comments, I flag the two comments as no longer needed, but for the question I can't edit it to make it better or something else. Ok, sorry and thanks.
17:58
@Sami I know which room this is ... If you flagged something for a mod, there is nothing we can do extra. And for editing you need subject matter experts which might be found here but more likely be found in the subject chatrooms. Again, if you want us to look at something: Ask it. should this be closed?, can an edit rescue this question?, is this properly tagged?, should that edit be rolled back? ... that are things we can take action on or give advice.
Understood
18:35
@MartinJames Please keep your request reasons about the post, not the user. Preferably, just factual information that helps others evaluate the post with respect to the request.
Now that's what I call addressing the source of the issue :-)
19:24
The old one was Typo!!! stackoverflow.com/q/47399326
19:37
Hmmm
$27 to mail a piece of paper in one day.
But it's a critical piece of paper. Hmmm.
I think I shall do it.
I really dislike when review queue delete these answer stackoverflow.com/a/47397231/5292302, stating that something is a bug with link to bug is answer darn it!.. I see it to often
I can't see it at all =w=
> This seems to be caused by a bug in the latest Java JDK, as stated here: eclipse.org/forums/index.php/t/1089375
I know it seems like link only... but it is actually a valid answer according to me
I would agree
Thanks, Java owo
<insert drink joke here>
19:43
Everytime I think about drinking jokes now, I think about this really weird japanese cartoon of a girl being thirsty, seeing a gas nozzle, drinking from it, and then transforming into a car.
I don't know which is worse: what happens in your mind or that I know what you're referencing
2
ONE OF US. ONE OF US.
Guaranteed that video is NSFW even though it is on YouTube.
very much so
Japan you make some weird stuff.
YUP
but anime is real
2
and it's good
19:51
except for gas guzzler girl
I still don't get that appeal =w=
I showed it to my friends and they were equally appalled and confused.
I mean.....rule 34 is a thing....
sometimes I wish it wasn't, but humans are weird
AAAAAAANNNNNNNDDDDD we're on the line, so before some flower revokes my RO powers let's get back to topic
Today's food of the day is salad without lettuce.
This is commonly known as bread.
anyone else noticed lately that when they try to edit a Q's tags, no matter what they start typing, jquery pops up first and sometimes gets inserted?
can't tell if it's a bug or if the site has become sentient
and is recommending jquery
20:10
$.('jquery solves everything');
@PaulRoub mhm, is that answer enough of an answer to not be link only?
@Adriaan The first? Arguable. The second is unacknowledged self-promo. Either way, it's a very broad question.
@PaulRoub I modflagged that answer anyhow; since all three of your last CV-plses were answered by him in exactly the same words; see also my comment. (I flagged the second, linking to the other two)
Ron
Ron
What's with those floating comments under questions? The indentation seems to have a will of its own.
Ron
Ron
@PetterFriberg Appreciate it.
Last time I saw that post @TylerH was the only one posting there.
The 9 to 5 judgment day is closing up on me. Darn you Freelancer past.
wow
magic CSS instead of magic code
@TylerH I don't see that as a sign of sentience. More like a signpost to the scrapyard.
20:45
@PetterFriberg nice*
@Compass eh?
It was broken because it was.
21:01
@PaulRoub FYI: The SD Feedback Guidance for non-English content says that just because it's not in English doesn't rate a k. Given that the translation doesn't appear to be spam/rude, IMO, this should be NAA.
@Makyen Argh. I should know better. Thanks.
21:13
80 American degrees in this room. Melting... =w=
27C for you non-Americans.
Ron
Ron
@Compass We had 108 F last summer. Day after day.
*Outside.
this is inside
the outside is 50 and manageable
no ac in this one room though :|
22:02
What 20k mean here^
I've just got installed FF57. YEECH!
I don't mind fast browsers, but ink black tab bar, really?
@JohnDvorak Yeah, I switched to dark theme pretty quick. The dark and light themes are pretty nice, the mixed one is weird though.
nah, not better. I'm more into light, except with rounded corners
@Sami If a question was recently closed, you need 20k rep to vote to delete it.
Although...
22:13
@AlexanderO'Mara Thanks for the reply and the information.
Too bad we have no "chat with a moderator" room
@Sami It means that @EJoshuaS intended the del-pls to be for users with 20k or more reputation. However, the question did not qualify for 20k+ deletion at the time it was posted (that changed a few moments ago). Delete-votes can also be cast by 10+ users, but only on questions which have been closed for more than 2 days, which is not the case for that question.
@Makyen Thanks, it was detailed :)
It would be nice, though, if Windows Update "schedule restart time" let me pick the time to schedule the restart for, rather than assuming "when you take the pee break"
@HovercraftFullOfEels You can chat with moderators about non-moderation topics, or continue moderation topics introduced by the moderator. You are not permitted to initiate conversations about, or change conversation topics to, your specific flaggable moderation issue. Note that the wording here changed as a result of the last room meeting.
22:24
@Makyen: I know that. I'm just venting. Just to fill you in, since you're not a moderator, I had a comment disagreement with a user about 9 hours ago who is a high-rep user but has been asking low-rep questions, and now I see that his reputation has fallen to 1. This is not an outcome that I desired. :(
@Makyen: correction -- "I know that", but thank you for your comment. We don't want to scare the moderators out of chat rooms, lord knows that they're busy with what they do, and so I completely understand the restrictions.
@JohnDvorak The only thing that I know you can do is set a policy that prevents Windows from doing updates until you tell it to do so. You will be notified, multiple times if updating is not done in a timely manner, but can delay the update indefinitely. However, once the update is done, Windows will restart the next time it's in the period of time you've specified as not your "active" time of day (max 18 hours of the day).
Assuming that I can't be active for more than 18 hours/day is just unreasonable...
Who is Microsoft to tell me that I should sleep the same six hours each day and that they should be consecutive?
@HovercraftFullOfEels np. Yeah, not wanting to impose on moderators to the point that they abandon chat is a large part of it. I appreciate your understanding. I can certainly understand venting. We all need to do so sometimes. I'm sorry to hear about the issue with the other user. Who knows what might have happened with any additional interaction with the moderator.
@Makyen: true true
@HovercraftFullOfEels Part of my motivation in posting the comment was that the portion of the FAQ I mentioned was one of the parts updated as a result of the last room meeting and I wanted at least some mention of that in-room. However, it might be better to have an actual announcement (not that the changes were all that significant).
22:37
@Makyen: I sent the mods a flag a few minutes ago, and they just now responded (didn't know that they could do that) stating: "Many of XXX(redacted)'s recent questions have been very low quality, and this is a trend that has continued for a while. He repeatedly ignored warnings about this, so more serious action was needed."
So cool, they did listen and responded quickly. I'm impressed.
@HovercraftFullOfEels wow. In the MATLAB room we discussed a user with similar behaviour (lots of rep due to old posts, votes still coming in there, thus no Q ban, but a current trend of poo), and we flagged him several times and were denied that request every time
@JohnDvorak I 100% agree. That was my thought on the matter when first finding out that I could only specify 18 hours as "active". Aside from the fact that I, as an individual, have had many times when I've been active on my computer for much more than 18 hours at a time, what about computers that are shared resources? Who is Microsoft to say that restarting to install some OS update is more important on my computer, right then, than my not loosing data when Windows just decides to restart.
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yeah, that's cool.
@Adriaan: that's just it, I didn't flag the moderators about his bad behavior, but rather just commented to him that his question quality was poor, and he disagreed.
If it's so important ... perhaps you could hire a guy to monitor the machine and dismiss any update dialogs :P
My flag to the mods was quite the opposite: "Not sure if this flag is appropriate but the issue is too important to ignore. I noticed that XXX lost all reputation. ..."
"...He and I had "words" in a comment conversation in this question, but he was not inappropriate, and I just hope that I am not responsible for his losing all his reputation. While I do not approve of his recent question quality and had disagreements with him in comments, I did not wish him to lose all rep. If there's anything I can do to help reverse this, please let me know."
@JohnDvorak: Unix?
22:41
@HovercraftFullOfEels just as a clarification: he didn't loose any rep. It's just temporarily reset to 1, which is standard procedure on a ban (as then they loose all privileges and mods only have to revoke Q and A permits). When the ban period ends, their rep will be restored.
I'm not categorically opposed to the idea
@Adriaan: ah, good, then I feel better. The entire goal is to alter his behavior, and maybe this will do it.
@JohnDvorak You can set a windows policy such that you're only notified that updates are available and they are not automatically installed. It will wait for you to manually initiate the updates. However, once the update is done, it will restart in your non-"active time", if you haven't already restarted after the update. Thus, you just have to plan to also restart when manually starting the "automatic" updates.
The biggest issue is that it performs the restart without notifying the user that the restart is forced, even after the user has dismissed a modal saying that a restart is desirable/needed. If the user was notified that they must restart, and that the machine will be restarted, if not done earlier, and given notice that their data will be lost if they don't save, that wouldn't be as bad. It would still be bad, but not as bad.
Hi all! o/
22:53
There is one benefit to this, however: it has taught me to include a save feature with every widget I make.
@JohnDvorak LOL. Grammar/usage "tyrant"
I oppose the term "tyrant"
and to think that I had to look up a synonym for "nazi"
@HovercraftFullOfEels "patriot of political left inclination"
I'm off to bed, hejdå!
left? I would call that right
22:57
@HovercraftFullOfEels Nazi is basically short for "national socialism"
how about "militant prescriptivist"? Not that it's accurate, but it sounds ... only mildly bad
@Adriaan: yes, but regardless of its name, it quickly turned from socialism to fascism.
@JohnDvorak: grammar stickler
Keep suggesting
I concede that FFQ feels significantly faster than 56
23:10
@JohnDvorak Yeah, it may be faster, but it doesn't do what I want, which trumps any performance gain (for me). If I was more concerned about performance, I'd have switched to Chrome a long time ago. For a large portion of (overall) browser users, what they care about is speed and/or some nifty look (no comment). However, for a significant percentage of the Firefox current installed base, what they care about is "does it do what I want", which includes full themes and useful legacy extensions.
on mobile I mostly care about uBlock + performance
on desktop I don't use many addons anyways, and userscripts have survived the upgrade. I did lose BetterTTV, but I hope it will be updated in a decent time frame
I'm enjoying the extra speed even on desktop.
23:32
@JohnDvorak Given that the first hit I get for BetterTTV is in the Chrome Store, it's likely that the extension can be easily ported to WebExtension. To a large extent, WebExtensions are code-compatible with Chrome extensions. There are some idiosyncrasies, but a single code-base with minimal changes between the two browsers should be possible for most extensions.

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