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12:00 AM
Erm, I mean, that's wrong, as Yvette said.
Rats, you only need 150. facepalm
 
Ron
Tree, make that a $50.
 
That was embarrassing. XD
@Ron You'll get it if I win. XD
 
Ron
@BaummitAugen Just make further progress in the cpp direction. That will do.
 
user3956566
@Olaf I'm sure $$ has a lot to do with real life elections - what is this? a cyber election? LOL
 
So I have finally done my duty this year as a Constituent.
 
Ron
12:02 AM
@BaummitAugen Nice about blurb you got there. ;)
 
@Machavity sure 'nuff do
 
@Ron Doing mostly hammering atm, but also posting an answer every now and then.
 
@YvetteColomb Nah! I'ts all strict by the law and everything is fine; no corruption in us western world states … We have the best politicians money votes can buy call for.
 
user3956566
@Olaf exactly :d
 
@Ron Do you mean my nomination text?
 
user3956566
12:05 AM
@BaummitAugen yours went up? lol
 
user3956566
I goota run and drop my girl to sport
 
user3956566
bbs
 
user3956566
be back soon
 
@Justin Without domain knowledge to judge a Q, you should skip it. However, a significant number of "no MCVE" requests where the Q grossly doesn't meet requirements can be evaluated with little, or no, domain knowledge. The required elements are: a MCVE, but you just check for any code. Are both "the desired behavior" the "specific problem or error" described? Debugging questions require all 3. If it doesn't have all of those, then it's CV worthy. If in doubt, skip.
 
12:07 AM
@YvetteColomb: You're sure you have the time for a mod job? I mean, no offence, but you seem to be quite busy already.
 
Ron
@BaummitAugen Nah, the SO profile tab.
 
@Ron Ah. Thanks!
 
Ron
You are welcome.
 
I thought you already saw that, changed it after your hint.
 
Ron
Blush blush
 
12:20 AM
Going to bed.
Cya! o/
 
o/
 
user3956566
@BaummitAugen night \o
 
user3956566
@Olaf seriously? I'm on the site for hours a day
 
@YvetteColomb But it's not 24/7 :-). Have you gotten your intravenous caffeine adapter yet?
 
user3956566
@Makyen ordered it on ebay :D
 
12:30 AM
@YvetteColomb :-) It will arrive in 6–8.
 
user3956566
@Makyen months - by a ship with sails
 
@YvetteColomb I was not sure, didn't follow the chat not that much the last few months. IIRC you had a tough time back then being online and chatting. But if that is not true anymore, I'm happy to see you as a mod (send the bitcoins to the usual address)
 
user3956566
@Olaf bitcoins already sent we canna do that :D
 
user3956566
1:20 AM
@Fred-ii- if it requires 20k to del - can you pop that in the delps request poppet?
 
@Fred-ii- Why delete vote these? The Roomba will delete them in 20 days. I don't understand why there is a need to expend the precious resource of a delete vote on these when they will be deleted anyway.
 
user3956566
@EJoshuaS like that one @Fred-ii-
 
user3956566
@Makyen I don't think it matters - get the junk off the site
 
@Makyen one of them, someone is deliberately trying to veer some away in thinking it's a different question by proposing an edit that I rejected.
@YvetteColomb what do you mean?
 
user3956566
@Fred-ii- see the post I replied to - EjoshuaS put 20K in the request - it saves all the mugs with less that 20k rep from going to the post
 
1:23 AM
@YvetteColomb Delete votes are rare and precious. They can be used to get rid of things that that won't be Roomba'ed. We should use them on things that need to be deleted now, or things that won't be otherwise deleted.
 
@YvetteColomb oh that. Yeah... well, as I said to Makyen, same thing. Someone's trying to sabotage that by proposing an edit for it. It's still a "how to" and way too broad with too much to do. Questions like that in the "php" area, always lead to rabbit holes. I say this from experience (in that area).
 
user3956566
@Fred-ii- you are missing my sharp point my dear :D
 
Plus, if that edit gets accepted, they risk in getting upvotes and/or the downvotes removed.
 
user3956566
I'm saying if it requires 20k rep to delete it - please say so in the request LOL
 
user3956566
@Makyen many of my delete votes go on posts that will roomba - I delete what's in the TOOLS menu of review
 
1:27 AM
@YvetteColomb I guess I have, can you elaborate? I am having a slight blond moment and my brain's kinda gone to mush by this time of night. It's been a rather longer day than usual
 
user3956566
Can someone please explain to Fred what I mean cries with frustration
 
@YvetteColomb I guess I took it for granted that everyone here knew ;)
 
user3956566
@Fred-ii- you have forgotten what it's like to have <20k rep
 
user3956566
people with 10k<rep<20k have delete votes, but they're restricted
 
@YvetteColomb In sorts yes.
yet I did look at the area for rep and what they allow us to do at a certain pointage at that time
 
user3956566
1:29 AM
you are too advanced for your own good LOLOLOL
 
hahaha
 
1:51 AM
(I'm really surprised how complicated some people make a simple task like debouncing).
 
 
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user177800
3:00 AM
out of votes for today! :-(
 
4:13 AM
Sorry about the wall of requests
 
4:34 AM
Terrible tag du jour:
 
No.. put spam flag.. its a blacklisted website in metasmoke @EJoshuaS
 
@suraj ok, I flagged as spam as well.
 
@EJoshuaS you might want to raise a meta post if you want to get rid of that tag. That is a lot of posts there
 
@suraj Yes, I was writing one - there was a burniation request for it back in 2014 but it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere, was trying to decide whether I wanted to answer that one to bump it or try to write my own too. It really should be cleaned up and blacklisted, too.
@suraj At risk of having my post closed as a duplicate, I added an answr to the original question asking for it to be done after all (as well as larger cleanup effort).
Wow, absolutely massive number of lousy questions.
 
5:01 AM
That reminds of apple burnination.. If done will take a while
 
Yeah, over 8000 questions, it could take awhile.
 
user3956566
oh I'm getting that strain in my brain looking for questions to answer
 
Well, I'm probably going to head out for the night
 
@EJoshuaS Well, there are 484 that you can cause Roomba to delete with a single down-vote.
 
@Makyen Yes, I did discover that awhile back - it's a wonderful thing. I burn through a LOT of downvotes doing that, though - I wish they'd give us more.
 
user3956566
5:11 AM
@EJoshuaS night
 
\o night
 
@EJoshuaS Yeah, there are a quite a few things they could do it they actually wanted the site to have higher quality content, but it seems very difficult to get them to actually change things, even if the change is easy (e.g just the text descriptions of what different actions are in the review queues).
 
I ran across this 2 hours ago. Should I have done a cv-pls for it? stackoverflow.com/q/45384719/5764553
 
@AndrewMyers Yes.
 
@AndrewMyers Indeed. It already attracted spam.
 
5:21 AM
@SmokeDetector spammy link and plagiarised from yahoo answers
 
@Olaf It's not spam when the information is requested.
 
@Makyen It does not explicitly ask for courses. But … darn, yes, the queue might see it like that, too. It's stupid; an answer should only be judged from the contents being spam or not …
 
5:36 AM
@Olaf To be pedantic: the title & question do ask for courses. Wrt. spam: I both agree and disagree. The answer is clearly promoting a product/service. In this instance, probably innocently, as an honest recommendation by the user, without compensation. There are significant penalties for a post declared as spam. The user was, legitimately, responding to a question which was specifically asking for the info. provided. They should not receive a harsh penalty for providing requested info.
 
@Makyen Yes, I really should go to bed. Not sure (honestly!) if I agree about the penalty part. The question is clearly OT and such questions should be flagged, not answered (it is also a bad answer, but that's in the nature of the question). But yes, the spam-related penalties would be too harsh if that was the first try (can't see other deleted answers from that user, though). But I see high-rep users answering such questions and those imo deserve a kick … where it hurts.
Siad that: good night (well, day already …)
 
5:54 AM
@Olaf I agree that high-rep users should know better, and should have something that strongly reminds them that they should be close-voting/flagging off-topic questions, not answering them.
@Olaf g-night o/
 
@SmokeDetector this needs a few more spam flags i think.. never thought I would see yahoo answers in SO
 
6:49 AM
o/
 
\o
 
 
8:05 AM
POB also
 
was there any activity there?
 
yeah, the last ans
 
@Enzokie ok.. fine just add "(NATO)" to your close reason next time
meaning new answer to old (question)
 
ok, thanks for letting me know :)
 
8:23 AM
I flagged answer too
 
user3956566
9:10 AM
 
9:25 AM
@YvetteColomb I cved as unclear.. it can be too broad as well
 
user3956566
@suraj thanks - I wasn't sure - as I know it's a newbie question
 
9:41 AM
@suraj what tool they use to draw these diagrams i.stack.imgur.com/aoBEd.png ?
I used IBM tools for these kinda stuff
 
9:52 AM
Hi all! o/
 
\o
 
o/
 
10:22 AM
\o @PraveenKumar
 
10:53 AM
o/ @suraj
 
11:34 AM
^ NATO
 
12:28 PM
^ now have seen it all
 
 
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3:50 PM
@PetterFriberg sure
 
dur
@EJoshuaS The last three are really old without any new traffic. Is that supported by the room rules (11.) in the FAQ? I already voted on some of the questions. I'm just curious.
 
4:32 PM
@dur I general you're right but if I'm not mistaken they are cleaning up/ burninating some tags in which case it is allowed.
 
@rene speaking about burninanting tags; is it normal that a custom flag asking for a burnination to move to stage 2 takes months?
 
@Adriaan well, there is no SLA on that process, so yes, it can take as long as it needs but if your flag is still pending we might spend a couple of sentences on it so a lurking mod might see it and then decline it after all ;)
Which one did you flag?
 
Jul 20 at 16:53, by Bhargav Rao
There are loads of [burnination-request] featuring requests atm. Waiting for the election to get over so that we can start those.
 
There you have your lurking mod ^
\o
 
o/
Quite busy day today, going out next week on some personal matters, so getting stuff ready.
 
4:43 PM
@BhargavRao Okay, take it easy and we will inaugurate the new mods ;)
 
@BhargavRao thanks!
@rene The HTC one already a while back.
 
OK
 
@rene Yupz, I'll not be there in the first week to trouble them :D
 
Our first goal would be to make @CodyGray chat, assuming he gets elected ...
 
5:07 PM
too broad , too many questions stackoverflow.com/questions/45391835/…
no efforts though
 
No meetings at election end. Yay!
 
5:25 PM
hey @Olaf i heard you like warm hugs?
 
@Pavneet_Singh ??
 
@Pavneet_Singh and this request, If you want us to look at a question with an eye towards voting to close, please use the format described in the FAQ, which is: [tag:cv-pls] close reason http://stackoverflow/q/12345. Including the tag helps us track the request and makes it clear what is desired.
@Pavneet_Singh There's also a helpful user script which will create the request for you from the question page.
 
@Makyen thanks , i am on it
 
Ron
5:54 PM
Hello.
 
@Ron Hello from the other side
 
@Pavneet_Singh I don't post images/vids/blogs or other stuff. Don't have the urge to spread my private life to strangers.
 
6:16 PM
@Olaf seems like you have been living in true sanity of humanity plus i totally respect your privacy and comfort zone , just let me know whenever you want warm hug
 
6:28 PM
Does anyone have an idea what OP is actually asking? stackoverflow.com/questions/45392599/…
 
6:58 PM
Windows 10 insists on saving my ba-something by lowering the performance. How do I stop it?
 
@JohnDvorak Is the standard fix format c: not working anymore?
 
I'll try that, thanks
 
7:37 PM
o/
 
@TGMCians It should roomba soon. No need to explicitly delete (but you could keep an eye on it if that changes).
 
@Olaf but it has multiple answers
 
@TGMCians . stackoverflow.com/help/roomba (last section, hence the monitoring)
 
@Olaf ah gotcha
Thank you
:)
 
[cv-pls][del-pls] Can we quickly close and delete this completely unclear question by user new user who deleted account within some hours after signing up?
 
7:52 PM
No oneboxing please
and use tag-formatting to not mess up the scripts
Please read our FAQ
 
Sorry I might have misunderstood that. Can I delete or edit that?
 
If it's after two minutes: no
 
The newer question is talking about restricting input to alphanumeric characters whereas the older one is talking about restricting to numbers
And also, as someone commented, the methods used by the top answer of the old question are being deprecated
 
8:35 PM
@AndrewMyers I think it still fits. Any option to get that top answer updated or a better answer closer to the top? Maybe ask on meta?
 
8:52 PM
Question: Is this worth a rollback? stackoverflow.com/suggested-edits/3215666
My weak internet archaeology skills were unable to determine if the page was copied from SO or SO was actually sourced from the page, or if it was simply an amazing coincidence. But either way, it feels like unnecessary and shameless link plugging.
 
@RyanBemrose I think a mod flag is better. link to the edit, the comment and tell them the answer is highly likely plagiarized as the holodyn.com article has disqus comments from 3 year ago. The answer is newer.
 
@rene Will do, thanks.
 
yw
 
Now that I look at it, all of the disqus comments on that particular article are from April 2016. The answer is June 2015.
 
9:15 PM
@RyanBemrose hmm, checking
@RyanBemrose seems right, yes. I was confused by the other comments
No reports in MetaSmoke either so it is not a spam site.
 
evening
 
@rene Sadly, I don't know how to retract or revise the mod flag I had already posted. :/
 
@RyanBemrose let's hope our lurking mod comes by to see our confusion and mark it helpful nevertheless ...
 
@RyanBemrose Go to the thing you flagged and click the flag link. Will give you the option to retract
 
@Machavity Oh, wow, is that new?
 
9:28 PM
@RyanBemrose Relatively, yeah. Been a few months since it went in
 
tnx
Still gonna roll back the edit as link spam.
 
@RyanBemrose Since August 2016: meta.stackexchange.com/a/281010/318307
 
9:51 PM
Opinions sought: this question admits to creating a duplicate of their prior question. They both look of good quality. Should the second one be closed as a duplicate of the first? Or is a declared duplicate that is much expanded OK?
 
going to zZz
see you
 
_o/
 
@halfer keep the better one open, that is all.
 
OK, good idea.
 
but I can't judge which one that would be
if you ask me all PHP question should be closed and roomba-ed
But I don't win the popularity price with that opinion ...
 
9:55 PM
Oh dear, that would mean I'd not be able to ask any more questions :-)
I wonder, what is the price of the popularity prize? :-p
 
If it would mean you would seek refuge in Haskell I would call that a win
@halfer the prize is high
 
Harumph, and all my projects would stall for six months while I learn something new. My ageing brain would not cope!
I'm just about getting my head around Promises in PHP, and my head is already melted!
 
Your brain will explode! But that is all fine ... wait ... that sounds not right ...
I'm not sure what PHP promises you but I would not trust it ..
 
Urgh at the title :-(
 
I'm out of cv's, I'm useless here
I go to bed, to get some sleep.
Cya!
 
10:04 PM
\o
 
Please help to exterminate this: stackoverflow.com/q/45392283/758133
 
@MartinJames in what sense?, you like to reopen it? ;)
 
Ooh, the gimme the codez from a few minutes ago - user has deleted their account already!
Either that or they got zapped for something we didn't see.
 
@PetterFriberg I can still see it. It's a dup, sure, but it does not deserve one electron-spin in the entire universe.
 
@MartinJames it will just die in 1 month, not sure what you like us to do with it.
your comment is so, so... since OP want's to know what happens (maybe Homework), I would just not comment and let it die
 
10:09 PM
@PetterFriberg It hurts that I can still see it. There are bad questions and then that thing:(
@halfer S'OK, they have 27 backup accounts ready.
 
@MartinJames close the tab
 
@PetterFriberg Good idea:) I will close it, and drink to forget..
 
anyway deleting would not have solved the problem, it only becomes red
 
@MartinJames: I'm curious: what is a "turbo-grapefruit"?
 
@PetterFriberg Some things were better while I was suspended :)
 
10:13 PM
LoL, ok, lets delete it and then get suspended, true that would solve it
 
@MartinJames You could write a user script to not let it appear, or an extension, or adjust the filters in your router to not let the page through, or …
 
@Olaf Hangover drink: grapefruit juice with a hefty dose of vodka. The fruit juice helps with the dehydration, the enzymes clean up the mouth, the vodka removes the headache. 'salty dog' in the US.
 
@MartinJames Ah, I thought it is some old, muddy grapefruit which gives you diarrhoea :-)
I actually prefer blood-orange or Pomelo.
 
@Olaf No, that would be the dup question I linked...
@Olaf That sounds good too:)
 
@MartinJames: If you don't mind another question: Would you call an JTAG-Adapter like STLink a "Debugger"?
 
10:22 PM
@Olaf I would describe it as a 'hardware debugging interface'. Obviously, it requires a host conputer and driver and a software debugger development environment to handle it.
 
@MartinJames Thanks, that's exactly what I tried to make clear in a thread you also commented on. All I got were some personal attacks and marketing citations.
And the host-PC software would be the adpter-"driver" and the debugger, right?
 
@Olaf I don't understand that. the JTAG debugger interface is an industry standard. You, or I, should not be getting grief over mentioning it on SO:(
 
@MartinJames You are welcome to read the thread and give me feedback (in chat if you disagree with me, otherwise directly;-) I'm out of words for this person.
@halfer I'd say "professional system admin" reading the tag-info. That's not specific for programming.
 
@Olaf Yes. The PC/mac/whatever shows the source, breakpoints, etc. in IDE windows/panes, the JTAG debugger hardware plugs into USB at host end and embedded board at the other. You then have source-level debugging with breakpoints, single-stepping, watches and all that useful stuff.
 
(No worries, I've already voted)
 
10:33 PM
@MartinJames Yes, That's how I learned it and I don't see how this would have changed just because we use JTAG instead of hardware-emulators/bus-breakers/etc. But I have quite often such pointless discussions with that guy. Heck I love people who are like "I have my opinion, don't confuse me with facts".
@halfer I anticipated that already. Let's see what the majority says:-)
 
@Olaf Sounds like a prize plonker. Time to give up before you get suspended too:)
 
@MartinJames I had my suspensions already. PantaRei is off for a year now. I try not to get personal, but yes, it is getting harder when dealing with (willful) ignorants.
 
@Olaf I got suspended for a year too:( I don't think that 'the code is utter trash' is out of line for 'i++ + ++i' but the mods thought different, so.. whatever )
 
The mods are now handing out year-long suspensions for impolite comments? I have been away too long.
 
@MartinJames Hmm, as you mention it … I indeed didn't have a tough discussion with you for quite some time. Nevertheless, good you're back. How about heading for Mod :-)
 
10:41 PM
@Olaf Mod? Do I sound suicidal?
 
@RyanBemrose Telling the truth is impolite? Heck, Generation Snowflake is really on the run …
@MartinJames All of us speaking a clear language are some sort of. These days one has to speak not only with silver, but golden tongue. And never tell someone what he did does not make sense. Even "Good job, we might be able to improve that to reduce damage at your autonomous car" seems to be too harsh for some.
 
@Olaf As I've often written on meta: OP's say they want comments on downvotes.. right up until they actually get them:(
Anyway, I need to suspend myself until tomorrow. Nite all..:)
 
@MartinJames Yes, I know this very well. Customers (resp. their employed engineers) who hire me to tell them what to do, but complaining when tell them the truth: it is cheaper to dump that rubbish and do it correctly from the start. Or not to use this framework/external library, bnut write own code because the adaptions/workarounds for bugs take longer and are harder to test than own, clean code.
@MartinJames Good night!
 
@MartinJames What? When did this happen? Did they give any warning before hand? Lord knows I'm probably next in line.
 
11:01 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yes, they shoot at everyone in sight. Whimps rule.
 
@Olaf Not good. I know that the mods have to walk a fine line, and it's not easy to make the quick decisions that they do frequently on such a large site, but still there is so much trash on this site and too few willing trash collectors, folks such as @MartinJames, who are willing to put in time to try to improve this place. Again, not good.
 
I've long said that we need a two-step posting process, with the second step scanning an OP's post for LQ phrases. It would be optional, but I think it would help a lot, since some people would pay attention to it. There are loads of phrases that mark out LQ material.
It's been suggested on Meta though, and did not get much traction.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yes, it might be not fair to most Mods. Nevertheless, I see an increasing number of users posting bad questions or answers who start a fight to death if you just criticise their posting. I'm well aware I defend my arguments heavily, too, but I will accept if I loose and tell the other side. But those people don't accept arguments, but seem to flag every clear language counter their opinion as rude/insulting (MartinJames' comment above is a good example).
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Another problem which seems to increase are high(er) rep users who answer bad questions and are not willing to delete them once told (and the question being lcosed). See my CV-pls above for an example.
@halfer We seem to prefer inverstion this energy into finding rude posts;-}
 
@Olaf I've been checking recent meta posts to see if there has been any discussion or announcement about policy change regarding comments, but haven't yet found this. Myself, I always figured that the penalty for being honest albeit sometimes blunt, is that some of my answers and most of my (few) questions would get revenge down-voted, and I accepted this, but banned, for being blunt more than for being rude, hm, again, not good.
 
The reputation system definitively needs a major overhaul. E.g. there should be reps for finding a dupe. Currently posters better answer a bad question instead of finding a dupe.
 
11:16 PM
Yes, agreed, although we'd need to police for secondary effects -- inappropriate use of this for positive rep.
 
Yeah, writing an answer is often much faster and easier than finding a dupe.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels There are two additional aspects, you - as a (assumed) natural English speaker don't see: 1) Non-native speakers often don't have the virtue using the corect phrases to express negative opinions without being actually rude/blunt. And 2) Cultural differences. I grew up speaking a clear and open language; not much "thank you" here and "please" there. That's not considered rude, but simply without "polite noise". Nevertheless I often get the feedback I'm rude for not even intending to be.
 
@Olaf I appreciate the additional incites. My own thinking is that it should be OK to criticize the code and the question, even if it's blunt, as long as we avoid ad hominem attacks.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I have the idea of reps-penalties for answers if a question is closed by at least three users (to prevent hammer-missuse). Maybe with some threshold for low-rep users whoi are not used to the rules. That might help tame rep-hunters.
 
@Olaf - and Indian English speakers have the opposite problem. They are very polite indeed, and US/European English speakers can find that obsequious, even though it's just environmental habits.
Sir / Dear / Please help me / I am just a beginner / Your help is much appreciated / etc
 
11:24 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels I'm fully with you. Go, tell this to the mods ;-)
 
@Olaf Shog9 spook about that in video.
 
@PetterFriberg: you don't happen to have a link, do you?
 
wait.. but's it's long.. .
 
@Olaf: or run to become a mod .... if only I had the time
 
youtu.be/5dfcXzZ6I3g?t=2470 (after that he had the drink ;)
 
11:26 PM
@halfer Yes, Sir! I know, Sir! I remember I once told a user from that region to please not call me "Sir". He was a good guy and understood it well after some explanation. IIRC, he now does not use "Sir" at all :-)
@PetterFriberg The link or the video?
 
@PetterFriberg Thanks!
 
@Olaf The video (almost 1h), but I should have point fairly correct...
around 43:12 (is the duplicate talk)
 
Yes, Everyone I talk to seems to agree about it. I don#t think it is a new idea or "The Wheel 2.0", so I wonder why it has not been implemented already.
@PetterFriberg Yes, I heared it already. I just have to get used to listening to him. I'm better at written English than listening (just need some practice).
@HovercraftFullOfEels I don't think I'd make a good mod, to be honest. And I really hated to explain and discuss each and every farth.
 
As related to blunt comment, I don't think mods will suspended for that, the issue is when it get rude, I know that it can be subjective, but heck some stuff is rude and it's not hard to understand why people get upset. An important note is then when people get upset they don't listen anymore. That's why I think you should be careful when you comment, in the end you like that people listen to you.
so many times have I seen rude comments, a couple of others user being funny, OP going crazy and then the only stuff that is left is just a big mess, that someone needs to clean up
 
@PetterFriberg All true, and all clearer with retrospective lenses on, but sometimes in the heat of the moment, it's easy to forget, especially when my best skills are not patience and restraint.
 
11:36 PM
Should this question be migrated to Computer Science? If so, do I flag the post for moderator attention? Or how can I recommend a question to be migrated when it isn't one of the 5 CV options?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels as far as I have seen you have improved vastly ;), but yeah I understanf
 
@PetterFriberg You are partly right. But My observation si that an increasing number of people does not listen from the start. They instantly feel offended being told they are wrong. That "we can improve …" sentence from my post above is actually not untypical. Interstingly that's a lot of the beginners. Hence the Gen-Snowflake assumption.
In fact it is not specific to programming/this site, but a general observation. People don't discuss, but clash their arguments, no one willing to accept or even think about the other side's arguments.
 
@Olaf However since they don't listen, the solution is to cv,dv and move to next question. Arguing in comment and get upset often do not benefit anyone.
anyway Shog9 also spooke about rep for editing ;)
That can be interesting, fundamentally I think he is right, but I have no clue how that could be implement on SO and not end up as the java array doc. example.
 
@PetterFriberg thanks, perhaps partly due to knowing that Queen is always watching me... :o
 
@PetterFriberg Well, One thing I learned (and still learn) is just to leave a discussion once it gets ad hominem. It - seriously - is not just my ego, but also a strong sense for fairness and trying to correct wrong statements. It just happens to be normal for the unaware to suspect the last comment is the correct one.
 
11:43 PM
I think you should stop that, but that's just my idea, if people don't listen, I just carry on with something else.... let'em think they are right.
 
@PetterFriberg raising the level-cap? We already have this IIRC from my pre-2k weeks.
 
I don't think that would work great, I would be more for deleting answer if there is a lot on a question.
hence if you like to post new updated code post it as an answer.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Surveilance creates compliant behaviour. It is the death of free speech.
 
we just need to make sure there is not 20 answers on question (all more or less the same)
@Olaf Who told you that there is free speech on SO? ;)
 
@PetterFriberg I did not say you might be right. I just say it is really hard for me. It certainly is a matter of personality. I just can't "take it easy".
 
11:46 PM
@Olaf Please be careful with what you say in here -- the walls have ears
 
And the trees have eyes.
 
@BaummitAugen Holy chit!
 
@Olaf then just work on your wording, to make sure that people listen to you.
 
@PetterFriberg Isn't SO under US laws? Does the US-constitution not be universally for the US? Or any other country the servers are.
 
@Olaf it's a private company, I guess they can delete what they like or just shut it all down if they like
 
11:49 PM
US free speech laws don't apply to non-government entities.
 
@Olaf Meh, I think that law mainly protects you from the government and lawsuits.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I know that. Just one last thing: we have a saying here, which translates to "the listener at the wall just hears his own shame." - Draw your conclusions.
 
If SE likes they can just nuke your account, I don't think you can do much about it.
 
@BaummitAugen I'm a hopeless optimistic pessimist.
 
Lol, now this would be fun to standardize.
 
11:50 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels So that's the reason for public-private partnerships (as if I hadn't suspected that)
 
They can't even get modules done. XD
 
@BaummitAugen ooh that would actually be really cool, you like to dev in java but need to interface a c# dll :D
 
@Olaf: I'm not sure I fully understand that statement. I just know that the gov'ment can't pass laws that restrict free speech -- but even that has limitations, for example the "you can't yell 'fire' in a theater" example
 
@BaummitAugen: Why? He is completely right. That's why "extern "XYZ"` takes a string. There is not even need to standardise; just provide an implementation-specific extension. E.g. The Python team could provide this. Could be interesting for game-developers; they often mix C++ with Lua.
@HovercraftFullOfEels Well, you can, if the audience is aware there is none. For such cases other laws, e.g. not to cause damage to people or goods applies, too. It has to be weighted against each other. (btw. if laws don't apply to private companies: does it mean they can shoot people just as they want? ;-)
 
@Olaf As it stands, they are just talking about C++, not about any specific platform, so we are talking about standard C++.
Would be nice to have, sure, but also far from easy.
 
11:56 PM
Nevermind, let's leave the road here and head to the beach. Have a beer!
 
I'm no pro at C++ which is why I did not vote up or down on that question.
A beer sounds perfect!
to the refrigerator!
 
@BaummitAugen I well understand that. And I don't see this would be impossible per-se. It just would mean the definition of the syntax would be in the target language. It works well for C, too, why not for e.g. Rust, Go, etc.? The C ABI is implementation-specific, too, after all.
Not that I see much use in it, see ^
@HovercraftFullOfEels Me either. I just CVed as too broad. It is a perfect introduction for a long discussion.
 

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