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12:06 AM
@theB She's gonna be up for as long as needed.
 
Sweet.
@Closey commands
 
@theB Here is a list of commands you have permission to run:
add [user id] to [group name] - Manually adds a user to the given permission group.
alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
approve request [#] - Approves a pending permission request.
commands - Shows this list.
help - Prints info about this software.
membership - Shows a list of all permission groups, and the members in those permission groups.
my membership - Shows the permission groups you are a part of.
reject request [#] - Rejects a pending permission request.
remove [user id] from [group name] - Manually removes a user from the given permission group.
 
@Closey request permission to reviewer
 
@theB I've created request #13 to get you in the Reviewer group.
 
Thanks sweetie
 
12:11 AM
@Closey approve request 13
 
@PetterFriberg @theB has been added to the Reviewer group.
 
@PetterFriberg Thanks
 
np, have fun, bed time for me : ), cya
 
night
 
If at first you don't succeed, try again. Question was closed, so user asked it again.
 
12:28 AM
@theB I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
theB passed an audit!
theB passed an audit!
theB passed a audit!
theB passed a audit!
@theB You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 4 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 18 minutes and 31 seconds, averaging to a review every 27 seconds.
 
12:46 AM
Lots of obvious audits tonight
 
1:22 AM
There are two types of audits. Obvious, and wrong. :)
 
 
2 hours later…
3:30 AM
@Yvette What's wrong with that question?
 
user3956566
@AlexanderO'Mara it was the answers it was attracting as opposed to the question- I didn't vote on it, I was literally asking for feedback.
 
Seems like an ok questions to me, the answers are not so great though.
 
user3956566
yeh that was my point, so I used the cls pls to post a question about it. hey it would be good to have a script that post queries about questions. @rene
 
user3956566
3:52 AM
@rene tell me if you're ok with this github.com/yvettec/close-vote-query-generator/blob/master/… and then you can add it.
 
user3956566
4:10 AM
@Mogsdad can we have an auto comment similar to, but more refined than the attracting new poo, when finding new answers to old off topic questions? Thanks
 
5:02 AM
Wow. As of june, Sunway TiahuLight has become the fastest supercomputer in the world beating Tianhe-2 three times
And this also has been developed by China...
 
Oops. I accidentally flagged one of Yvette's messages. Please ignore. Sorry about that.
 
5:54 AM
Plop!
 
@user2314737 Spam should be flagged, not close-voted.
 
@NisseEngström yes I thought about that, next time I won't cv
 
6:30 AM
@Yam opt-in
 
Yam
@AshishAhujaツ You're already opted in. Duh.
 
@Yam check grave
@Yam refill
Have these commands been removed??
 
7:04 AM
@Clo alive
 
@AshishAhujaツ Still here you guys!
 
@Yvette if I get it correctly you want an option to add cv-query-pls, right? I can't add that script as is because it still references the other script for its version check. So your script will popup messages when the original script changes. I think that will be confusing :) but I'll check to see if I can integrate that.
@Yvette until we have a clear distinction from the script between cv-query and cv-pls please don't use cv-pls for inquiries as we won't be able to clear them with the archiver script, they will be shown as pending requests and we might miss the comments about it being a query if we review those cv-pls out-of-context.
@NisseEngström to return the favor I flagged one of yours ...
 
@rene why? It looks quite broad to me
 
7:20 AM
high views, old question, let it be
 
but you're free to not follow it, as I shouldn't have close voted it. I feel bad
 
@rene I can't even cv or rv. So what will I follow :P
 
@AshishAhujaツ well, you know what to then, get to 3K you slacker ;)
 
@rene meh. I'm not in a mood of answering questions :-/
 
7:25 AM
Ah, what the heck. I've never cast a reopen vote before. Why not.
 
@AshishAhujaツ to be honest, I try to answers one a day, but I have a hard time keeping that promise ...
 
user3956566
@rene yes and I know and thanks
 
@rene I haven't even answered a question from weeks so at least you're still better..
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 47 secs ago, by PeterJ
That question has a spam suggest edited from the same user if anyone wants to reject it
 
@AshishAhujaツ it is not a matter of better (because that means someone has to be worse, which can't be correct)
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ I've done it
 
7:29 AM
@rene I hardly have answered a q or two since april so I'm kinda worse :(
@Yvette thanks
 
user3956566
maybe spend more time answering questions and less time moderating
 
user3956566
to get the rep up
 
@Yvette but ... but ... but .... Okay .... :( ... I'm off answering crap ....
 
I really do not feel answering q's nowadays @Yvette. It's becomes kinda boring after I went on answering like crazy for few months. I'm right now good with moderating :)
Hiya @TIPS!
 
user3956566
@rene you may as well, there's enough people intent on moderating without earning any privileges. It's upside down
 
user3956566
7:35 AM
@rene I propose that there is a min rep to join this room as a regular, that you need to have the privilege to vote to close. It's insanity.
 
Hey
 
10ks only. Filter out the riff-raff.
 
user3956566
there's a lot of work created in the room by people asking for cl vote requests who cannot even cast a vote.
 
user3956566
the room is for close vote reviews and the privilege is set at a min rep for a reason
 
@Yvette but I would agree with that only if our goal was to close stuff. Now we are doing a lot more of moderating than only closing (though I agree it is the main goal). But of course we can limit the number of cv-pls requests of <3k.
 
7:37 AM
@Yvette there is a soft limit of 1K already and I hoped the room could also serve as a teaching ground for wanna be close voters so they get their grips once they are there. But I admit it is a balance.
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ no we're not. This is a room for close vote reviewing
 
user3956566
@rene it's a thought.
 
user3956566
Maybe I am intolerant in my old age :D
 
It is not age related me thinks ;)
 
user3956566
7:39 AM
it's hard work to answer stuff and earn the rep and it's like there's people who want to be a part of something without the participation on the actual site
 
user3956566
@rene I am actually becoming less tolerant with each passing day! :D
 
I have no problem answering questions. It's getting people to upvote them that seems to be the trouble.
2
 
@Yvette I'm kinda new to this room, so can't be sure, but I've seen us doing a lot of things. Burnination, editng, del-voting, reopening, etc etc. But if the cv-pls by <3k are really causing problems, I can stop them if you want
 
user3956566
@RyanBemrose yeh that's true. But your rep is fine
 
@Yvette yeah, I'm pretty amazed when I listen to my dad on some topics ...
 
user3956566
7:40 AM
@rene I scare myself. I'm worse than my own parents
 
@AshishAhujaツ just keep working on your rep as well to make sure you get there
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ I think you should be focusing on slowly increasing your rep, if you are serious about moderating. But when you were told this, you said you don't feel like it. Which means you have no votes to cast here, so cannot bear the load
 
@rene alright
 
user3956566
OK I'm back to work. @rene if you think that script option for cl-pls queries? as an idea is a good one let me know. We can tidy it up.
 
What is a "regular" in here anyway? I don't think that's me, as this is only my second day even knowing that chat.so exists.
 
user3956566
7:44 AM
@RyanBemrose people who drop in most days
 
@Yvette I see. I think I might start answering. For now, till I reach 3k, I can give you an assurance that from now, I won't cast more than one cv-pls (only if it is very worse). I can at least be a part of the discussions right?
 
user3956566
if you keep coming, you're a regular
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ yes and I didn't tell you not, to, I'm basically giving you a kick up the proverbial to get your privileges to cast votes, then you can really help :D
 
@Yvette that is true but the room is no longer only about close voting, it's focus is a bit broadened, for better or worse, to also cater for the other queues, flags, edits, etc. Those moderation privileges start at 500 rep. Still, having every regular to be on an even playground is prefered
 
@Yvette alright.
 
user3956566
7:45 AM
@rene true true
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ it's meant well and you'll enjoy it when you can cast those votes :)
 
@AshishAhujaツ you better don't get kicked by @Yvette ;)
 
@Yvette Alright. Lets see how fast I can get to 3k..
 
user3956566
do you think the cls vote query is a good idea @rene ?
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ good love
 
7:47 AM
@rene is it as hard as your kick?
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ I bite, he kicks
 
@Yvette Then I better get to 3k fast :P
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ nah, just make the steady progress Ash
 
I feel the low rep burn whenever someone starts talking about a link and I click and get the "Question? What question? Never heard of it." page.
 
@Yvette it is an idea, I'll work on it and check with the RO's
 
user3956566
7:48 AM
@RyanBemrose I only just got to 10k, I totally appreciate that. Many users in here don't have 10k yet
 
user3956566
@rene ok I'll leave it with you, you can use that script, I tested it, just the repo update link needs to be fixed
 
user3956566
ok all I'm a going. Less is more from me in here hey @rene ;)
 
@Yvette I see. Lemme start to make a Q & A on a topic I'm good. Once I earned 600 rep from a q & a, but spent 300 rep on a bounty on that same q
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ your programming skills will also improve
 
user3956566
I gotta go \o
 
7:50 AM
Bye @Yvette!
even I have to go
bye
 
8:02 AM
cya
 
 
1 hour later…
9:27 AM
@user2314737 asking for an off-site resource could also fit
but let's get it closed ...
 
 
1 hour later…
10:29 AM
Plop!
 
Plop!
 
theB now pro rubber-ducking target
 
:D
 
@Yvette Fair point. OTOH, it seems reasonable to me for those without CV privileges to post the occasional cv-pls request here for fresh bad questions that need to be closed rapidly before FGITW answers start pouring in.
 
10:35 AM
@Kyll we have bunch of bash
 
@Kyll Meh. Could be useful for bash scripting
 
and it's pretty badly formulated
I say leave it
 
K
 
@Kyll It may be suitable for general computing. The OP wants to know that stuff so they can write a program, but at this stage they're far too clueless to attempt writing anything like that. Also, which program is executed when you open a file depends on the file explorer / shell you're using. So i guess "Too Broad" covers it.
 
@PM2Ring Also yes.
 
user3956566
10:50 AM
@PM2Ring yeh, except the room has trouble keeping up with the requests posted here
 
@Yvette Does it?
Ooh, speaking of which I need to go check the requests page
 
@Yvette Fair enough; feel free to ignore me. :) I don't visit this place very regularly, but I do cast a whole bunch of CVs (and the occasional DV) whenever I do visit.
@Yvette Don't worry about it. Unless you find yourself beginning to cackle... :)
 
Call to Action: Bring down the number of open cv-pls, use the script
9
 
@rene Already doing that =p
 
@Kyll thanks
 
11:04 AM
Is there any place to see the number of open cv-pls in the room? AFAIK the script only provides what's on the first page.
 
@Kyll if there are more it shows them on the second page as well
 
user3956566
@PM2Ring nah, it's good to discuss things
 
user3956566
@Kyll ?
 
@Yvette This looks more like a question than an actual request, do you think it's off-topic? Looks fine to me.
 
user3956566
@Kyll ah you've lost your mind spearrel
 
user3956566
11:09 AM
pats spearrel
 
user3956566
@Kyll it gives you the total when you open it
 
user3956566
> 323 messages found
 
user3956566
whether they are closed ones? @rene
 
@Yvette Yeah but isn't that the total number of messages with ?
 
chat.stackoverflow.com/… - but there are quite a few pages of discussion about [cv-pls].
 
11:12 AM
FWIW, I run a userscript that shows me (in a clickable red circle above my avatar, to the right of where the green circle pops up that lets me know someone's replied to me) the number of cv-pls links on the current chat page that I haven't visited yet. The unvisited links themselves get one-boxed, so I get a quick preview before visiting the link. And as soon as the question is closed the cv link message gets striked-out.
 
@Yvette Meh, it's clear and focused
 
user3956566
@Kyll I dunno, asked rene
 
@Kyll yes, it is
 
@PM2Ring Now you go PR the heck outta this into the SOCVR repo =p
@rene Right, ty
 
user3956566
I'm working and just responding to pings, so won't stay in the discussion for now
 
11:13 AM
K
@Yvette Also seems okay even if the answers are bad
@Yvette Mh, more about how to control a browser's default behaviour. On-topic for me.
She's going to be so mad
Plop Praveen
 
user3956566
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by Lord of dark
Look at the 3 last answers of this user. http://stackoverflow.com/users/1654631/shivbuyya
Is it spam ?
 
user3956566
what do you guys think?
 
It's spam but seems like a legit user, use a custom flag
 
user3956566
@Kyll @rene can you kick the spearrel he keeps pinging me here
 
Don't tempt him now >.>
Are you raising the mod flag?
 
user3956566
11:18 AM
I will give you two choices. Delete all these duplicated answers or I report them as spam. — Yvette 8 secs ago
 
No need to provide any choice. Mod-flag.
 
@Yvette It's a programming question. It's not fantastic, but it's valid.
 
user3956566
@PM2Ring you need to look at the answers they're attracting and they're too broad
 
@Yvette Well, it's a pretty generic question. :) But yeah, those answers would probably be better as comments.
 
user3956566
@PM2Ring I tend to cls vote questions like that when they accumulate low qual answers, I figure there's a problem with the question.
 
user3956566
11:24 AM
Not that I'm the definitive opinion on these things. that's just my opinoin
 
@Yvette Yeah but unless you can clearly identify it, just downvote the answers and move on
 
@Yvette I'm happy to leave that one open. It's only attracted one recent answer since 2010, and although it's short it does offer good advice.
 
user3956566
@Kyll I think they're not good questions. The OPs have not shown effort and I wouldn't offer an answer and I answer android more than anything
 
@Yvette Closure is not the right solution for questions not showing effort or not being a good question
Downvotes and edits and education are the solution for those
 
user3956566
@Kyll ok I give you my blessing go forth and do so. I am working.
 
11:30 AM
@Kyll I'd class those 2 listview questions as too broad (aka gimme teh codez).
 
@PM2Ring I vtc'ed them as such
 
\o
 
I just slightly modified the unclosed requests script so that it'd be compatible with the "Open selected Questions" script (Paul's?) by changing the stat links to simple spans. I'll PR it later
Plop Ashish
 
11:46 AM
@Kyll Sorry, it's a Firefox plugin, not a userscript. You can find it here; there's also a Chrome version.
 
12:07 PM
Plop @Petter!
 
12:19 PM
@Louis Active a year ago? Meh.
@rene Okay, just went through it. Should we make it a habit on week-ends to clear open cv-pls?
 
are there really so many?
I searched manually in the transcript a few weeks ago, and I could barely find open ones
 
@AndrasDeak we were up to 2 pages again
 
@rene even with aging-away taken into account? Aren't most of those ancient?
 
@AndrasDeak Ugh, manual labour. Just use the script to see them all =p
 
@AndrasDeak I don't think so.
 
12:25 PM
Useful naming: const regexes = [/(?:tagged\/cv-pl(?:ease|s|z)|\[cv-pl(?:ease|s|z)\]).*(?:q[^\/]*|posts)\/(\d+)/‌​, /(?:q[^\/]*|posts)\/(\d+).*(?:tagged\/cv-pl(?:ease|s|z)|\[cv-pl(?:ease|s|z)\])/]‌​;
Many open requests are at 3 or 4 votes now
 
@AndrasDeak the open votes are from now till last tuesday
 
@Kyll Remember when not everything was done by bots and userscripts? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
 
@AndrasDeak Nope. =p
 
3 on page 2 rest on page 1
 
@rene thanks, that's not good indeed
 
12:27 PM
Woaah, is UK going to lose Scotland and Northern Ireland over Brexit? o_o
And many want another referendum why didn't you vote on the first one then
 
user3956566
@rene did you see the meta post?
 
@Yvette which one?
 
user3956566
@rene put it in the den, I don't want the controversy brought here
 
@Kyll yep, they basically voted against anything United
 
user3956566
@Kyll it's huge hey?
 
12:39 PM
 
@TIPS I love misleading graphs:)
stupid Maltese people and their low payments into the EU
 
@TIPS No source provided, no idea who that guy is, no idea what these numbers mean
 
> Your graph really ought to be per capita, otherwise it's kind of meaningless. Matla contributes less than Germany? No shit its 200x the size
> Malta contributes 0.97% of its GDP to the EU, Germany contributes 0.75%, UK contributes 0.64%.
 
user3956566
I think we should maybe take this conversation out of here
 
yeah, you're right
some silly spearrel posted the first post here by mistake:P
 
12:46 PM
@Kyll The graph is misleading.
Is Malta supposed to give more than Germany, considering its size and population?
I linked it, so you can read comments.
Imgurians are smarter than other social networkerers.
The top commenters, at least.
 
bey
 
@AndrasDeak Some peoples' sarcasm detectors are broken. That post just got flagged.
 
oh dear:D
thanks for the heads up
And sorry, Maltese people, no offense intended
 
Anyway, I agree with Yvette. We really don't need to have the Brexit conversation in here.
 
12:51 PM
As a Hungarian, we're one of the top winners of the EU, financially speaking. You can't bias a graph enough to make it look as if we're not leeching on the Western countries
Which is especially ironic considering the ongoing massive anti-EU rhetoric of our government for several years now
I wonder if there are users or bots searching all of chat for presumably offensive content, then flagging away without even trying to check context
 
@AndrasDeak Unlikely to be bots. Users, however.
Considering what I saw today, people need hobbies more than freedom of speech.
 
I assume it was a True Warrior Against Teasing
 
I know, I'm on the Bremain side.
If I could vote.
 
@TIPS Why can't you? Not a UK citizen?
 
Yes.
 
aren't you Iranian or something?
 
Also I'm 17, so even if I were British . . .
 
1:13 PM
well, according to your location
 
@AndrasDeak Yes.
 
@TIPS aren't you able to ask for citizenship after 18?
 
Yoohoo, a PR of mine was merged github.com/codehaus-plexus/plexus-compiler/commits/master :D Great way to start the day.
 
@PM2Ring how exactly that works?
 
Hiya
 
1:15 PM
@Tunaki congrats:)
 
@Braiam No idea. I just use it, I didn't write it, and I haven't bothered reading its source code.
 
@Braiam Why do I need a citizenship of free space?
 
Alo!
 
1:25 PM
@Braiam Meh, I wanted to wait for the 2.8 release before updating, not much sense in using a snapshot
But alright, edited it :)
 
Good Morning!
 
o/
 
Morning @JacobGray!
 
@NathanOliver Late answer somewhat directed at you stackoverflow.com/a/38027382/1743880
 
1:41 PM
@Tunaki N
 
nano vs NAthaN Oliver... very suspicious
 
2:01 PM
@Tunaki isn't it n?
 
It isn't NAA for me, no.
 
@Tuna N for me though.
 
user3956566
@Tunaki why not?
 
@Yvette The body is like this now after the edit:
> Did you create a shopping ad in the new campaign? None of the ad groups will run without it.
 
well the answer implies that you need to "create a shopping ad in the new campaign"
 
user3956566
2:05 PM
ah I see
 
@Yvette I'm willing to go OT on that
 
user3956566
@Braiam yep
 
I'm no expert on that stuff, but it sounds like a "how do I use this Google service" question, rather than an actual coding question.
 
user3956566
you can slip a a script of js into your web page for adwords.
 
user3956566
so if it's about how to do that, there's no mcve, saying what they've tried
 
2:14 PM
Ah, ok. So it could be a customer support question, unless the OP posts some actual code. In that case, I'll VTC with "no MCVE", as you originally suggested.
 
user3956566
@PM2Ring yep either way it's off topic
 
And it's now on hold
 
user3956566
with most of those google services, often it involves adding a script into the website. But for many it can also be operating their web dashboard, which has nothing to do with programming, so they need to give detail
 
user3956566
otherwise we're stabbing in the dark trying to answer it
 
@Tunaki Thanks for the heads up. It looks liker that answer would fall under the research answer category. I am willing to keep it and hopefully someone, someday can figure it out. Since I will never own a mac it will not be me.
 
2:16 PM
Thanks for that info, Yvette.
 
@NathanOliver :D. alright
and Hiya o/
 
user3956566
@PM2Ring yw :)
 
Plop @Tuna!
 
What a f joke. First OP says that he tries to do something without str_replace(): stackoverflow.com/questions/38024020/… and then he accepts the answer: stackoverflow.com/a/38024222/3933332
 
2:30 PM
Checking user of last report history
No previous post
Checking promotional link occurrences in Metasmoke...
 
@Kyll you're acting like a robot doing all this...
 
Cheking Kyll's activity...
 
No previous occurrence
Calling naa on that
 
Activity performed successfully.
 
user3956566
it's a link to an ad for hosting
 
2:32 PM
Woot, conflicting feedback
 
user3956566
and it's a copy and paste answer with the spam link
 
user3956566
they are becoming increasingly popular
 
I searched for copy-paste, didn't find any.
Where did you see it?
 
user3956566
I had already k'ed it in charcoal
 
@Yvette Which other answer is it a paste of?
 
user3956566
2:36 PM
@Kyll sorry this one is not a paste, but the user name and link refers to the same thing and it's the only network post
 
user3956566
so I count that as spam
 
user3956566
in an answer
 
user3956566
as opposed to spam in a can
 
Meh. It's certainly promotional, but still looks like an answer. I'm going to monitor and check if other such mistakes happen with that user
Anyway, Smokey should catch it
 
@Kyll originally, it was spam, check the first revision
 
2:39 PM
@Braiam Yep, but without previous occurrence (as far as MS knows) or repeated pattern from the user I think it's fair to go for the heavily misguided user route
 
eh? the "dofollow" is enough for me to say that they knew what they were doing: posting spam
 
@Braiam there is only 1 revision?
 
@Tunaki no, there are 5
 
@Braiam They edited it out 8 days later, weirdly
Not entirely sure what was going on there
 
we're not talking about the same post then. Weren't you replying to chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/31350888#31350888?
 
2:42 PM
@Tunaki no, I was talking to Kyll
 
@Tunaki Shhh, you're out of this conversation :p
2
 
But I want in!
:(
 
That's what <redacted>
 
user3956566
it's a copy and paste from here seotoaster.com/questions-and-answers/2009/…
 
user3956566
@Tunaki shush
 
2:44 PM
@Yvette Sure? I can't find optimizer-search-depth there
 
@Yvette I might have missed out, but I can't find the code
 
@Yvette Which part..?
 
user3956566
@Tunaki you need to make sure you put spaces between the lines of code, as when you do a copy and paste it won't show up
 
user3956566
 
Answer now deleted
 
2:46 PM
Hmh
 
Were spam flags marked helpful?
 
yep
 
user3956566
yep
 
user3956566
I was right!!!
 
user3956566
slam dunk the spearrel
 
2:47 PM
Uh.
 
user3956566
oh come on Mr Maturity all of a sudden
 
@Yvette Speak of heavy changes then.
 
Technically, they are marked helpful when 6 of them come in, without mod intervention ;)
 
I rolled it back, so flags were disputed first
 
user3956566
@Braiam ?
 
user3956566
2:49 PM
you mean the disputed flags were undisputed?
 
2
A: Does rolling back edits on a flagged post change the flag state to disputed?

Shadow WizardYes, rollback reset any spam/offensive flags that were cast between the time of the revision being rolled back to and the time of rollback, as described in the faq: Rolling back a post to a previous state will revert to the number of flags from that particular revision. This allows the OP (or...

@Yvette I think so, yeah
 
user3956566
@Braiam yes, it was edited a few times
 
user3956566
@Kyll throws spearrel out the window with the bath water
 
not the bath water!
 
user3956566
@Kyll and the bath, but it rebounds as it's too big for the window and knocks me out
 
2:53 PM
feels like reading the combat logs of Dwarf Fortress
 
user3956566
my unconscious body >o---<
 
user3956566
SOCVR suddenly over come (with) violent reactions
 
what does OP even stand for on Stack Overflow ><
 
Original Poster*
 
@Tunaki ahh, okay
 
user3956566
2:58 PM
@JacobGray Origami pies
 
Dinner time. Bye
 
@Yvette Oh, I thought it meant Old People
 
user3956566
@JacobGray lol funny
 

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