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7:00 PM
too late
> This question is a blatant tool recommendation question, absolutely no chance of a useful answer. The bounty prevents it from closure, please help. Thank you.
butchering English along the way, but whatever
 
@AndrasDeak PLS HALP*
 
Wow. This question had close votes age away four times! (request by @Louis)
 
maybe it deserves to stay, if it has such will to live
 
At first I didn't vote on it due to low activity, but still
 
shouldn't have linked it again, then:P
I won't retract mine now
the question's tool rec and the answers even worse
 
7:06 PM
@Kyll Huh. I always wondered what it'd look like in the timeline.
 
I went Too Broad.
 
I went TB too
@Tunaki How was the trip then? I heard Broad is such a nice place.
I am so sorry
 
Really great.
Broad has nice forests and rivers.
 
Common guys. We need better puns. Stronger, faster, braver, bigger etc.
@Tunaki Did it also leave EU?
 
waffles:P
 
7:11 PM
Hello guys!
 
hey
 
Plop Nobody
 
Who are you all greeting?! Nobody joined.
 
@Tunaki He poked my eye!
 
BTW I haven't had as much time recently to chat, and that will probably continue for a while.
 
7:13 PM
Just saw that the Britain want to vote again about that EU thingy :)
 
some of them, anyway
 
I would request that too, if the difference for that thing is just less than a thirtieth of the voters
 
almost half of the valid voters voted to stay to begin with...
so it's unsurprising to have huge movements
and of course there are the people who "didn't think their vote really counted":P
 
Why has the CVQ somehow turned into an archaeological dig? I'm being asked to vote whether to close questions that last saw activity in '09
 
I'm going on a vacation next week for the 4th of July, so I will be around much less or not at all.
 
7:19 PM
@RyanBemrose is that steady or is that just one or two?
 
@RyanBemrose Someone probably flagged it...
 
sometimes people find old questions by more or less chance and since they were last seen by someone who knows the scope a few years have passed
 
Five or six out of 25 so far.
For example... I mean sure, it'd probably be closed if asked today, but is it really worth the time to bother with it now?
 
@NobodyNada take care:)
 
@RyanBemrose just judge it by today's standards.
 
7:22 PM
@RyanBemrose every now and again eager newbies pop up who Flag All The Thingsā„¢
because oh do we have things to flag
too broad and tool rec galore
 
@AndrasDeak Thanks, you too :)
 
if it has unusually high votes maybe throw in a mod-flag asking to check for a historical-significance lock
 
> Oh good grief, the question-close mongers are already here.
Don't say that, Tim :'(
 
@Kyll Yeah, I liked that bit of historical irony. :)
 
Went for the CV since I still have a couple spare today
Also,
> Why, oh why did someone vote to close this? Are we now punishing people for not knowing something on a site that is supposed to be the end-all be-all of programming knowledge? If you get drunk on IRC, forget the down arrow. Good grief.
 
7:28 PM
Can I ask when you vote to close a question, do you have to give a reason why?
 
@TheCodesee Yes, you do.
 
yes
 
is someone able to let me know why my question was voted to be closed? i'm trying to learn so that I can improve my question next time I ask one
 
@TheCodesee Same dialogue as when you flag really
 
@TheCodesee Close vote without comment is like a tour guide speaking in another language.
 
7:30 PM
@TheCodesee Sure. Could you provide a link? I'm going to help you.
 
@TheCodesee The reasons available are the same as the reasons for flagging to close (except without the generic off-topic "this question is not about programming within the scope defined in the help center"; this is replaced by a custom reason.)
 
Okay, on it.
 
That question isn't closed, but it has one vote to close as a typo.
 
@TheCodesee why are you linking a answer?
 
@TheCodesee That's the same question.
 
@TheCodesee Okay, here's my take on it. It's not a typo (not sure why it was voted as so) but it is a duplicate of stackoverflow.com/q/14496531/4174897 since the issue is the same (adding strings instead of numbers). Do you agree that the solutions on this target solve your issue?
 
@RyanBemrose Braiam pointed out that I originally linked to an answer in my question
 
What you did very right was provide an MCVE and a clear goal, and define precisely the issue
Snippet and fiddle being sugar coating.
So yeah, overall it's a good question but a duplicate.
 
I see
 
7:35 PM
I think it was voted-to-close as a typo as in "brain fart"
they assumed you know what happens, just used a wrong operator or something
 
Does the target answer your issue? If so, you may want to flag your own question as duplicate and close it. I don't think you get a penalty for it.
 
@AndrasDeak Right, that's what I was thinking.
@Kyll If one of us votes to close it, he has an option to close it instantly.
 
@NobodyNada Same if OP flags the post himself, and also ninja'ed Andras' question
 
@NobodyNada can they cast the first dupe vote?
 
@Kyll Thanks, I didn't know that.
 
7:36 PM
Plop Jo
 
If I mark it as a duplicate myself, does it affect my question record?
 
If you have a lot of them closed, you could get question banned, but you won't even get close to a ban since you have 900 rep.
 
it doesn't matter if you closed it or other people
 
Nope, I don't think so. Anyway you're out of trouble with your rep
 
@NobodyNada I don't think dupes count like that
nor closure
question bans typically work with post score
and are you sure rep factors into that this much?
 
7:39 PM
Er
Maybe?
 
According to Mr. Owl, it takes precisely three licks to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop. If you've honestly done all you can and still can't quite get out from under it, contact us and we'll have a look. — Tim Post ♦ Aug 16 '14 at 16:23
:D
I like Tim's posts
 
Dupes almost don't hurt the quality ratio or whatever it is called at all.
Closure does though.
I mean, closure other than dupe.
 
wrong again
 
What a mess.
 
I think
 
7:41 PM
All not as much as votes.
 
afk
 
"positive question record" is a thing for badges
 
Votes are the ultimate game changers.
 
and both closed and deleted posts count against you
but I don't think dupes are separate there
anyway, those are just badges
 
@AndrasDeak I meant whatever number that is being kept in a database that determines whether you get Q-banned or not.
 
7:42 PM
@TIPS ooh, I see
 
@AndrasDeak They are, a bit.
 
@TheCodesee So what about this target?
 
The order would be something like "votes > deletion > closure > dupes", perhaps.
 
"perhaps"
but nobody knows really, on purpose
 
7:43 PM
@Kyll Target?
 
@Braiam and this, almost the same
 
@TheCodesee Do the answers here solve your issue?
 
what's the question?
 
I have this latter starred
 
@Kyll yes, however I'm worried about my q record
 
7:45 PM
@TheCodesee if you don't close it, others might still
 
@TheCodesee Nah, don't worry, it should be fine
 
is it worse for someone else to close your question than yourself?
 
@AndrasDeak Well, you know what I'm saying, devs drop hints here and there.
 
@TheCodesee Probably the same. Also dupes don't carry much negative weight
 
@TheCodesee closure as a dupe is not a really bad thing, they behave differently even with auto-deletion
 
7:46 PM
Should I leave it and see if it does get closed?
 
with an accepted answer, your question won't be auto-deleted even if it gets closed
and with a bunch of upvoted questions, and this one at -1, I don't see what you're worried about
 
Yeah, really, @TheCodesee just flag it as dupe and close it. It'll be fine
 
oh, you have three -1-scored posts
still, you have a lot of rep and a lot of well-received questions
I wouldn't worry at all, and I believe closure as a dupe won't change anything
the real question is: is it a dupe?
If it is, close it (or others will). If it's not, don't close it.
 
The never ending dupes... good evening
 
hey
 
7:53 PM
Plop Petter
 
Time to create some nlp models : )
 
neigh little pony?
@Kyll made me do it
 
Hi @Petter
 
@AndrasDeak yes
 
@TheCodesee sorry. That feature-request is literally the most discussed feature-request in the history of internet.
 
7:55 PM
@AndrasDeak Yeah a neigh little program
 
@rene I helped :P
 
NON 1 REP USER - but spam right? stackoverflow.com/a/38032466/1743880
 
I'll edit the July 2015 one, it looks semi-legitimate
 
Don't. I'll mod-flag.
This is extremely weird.
 
Oops, too late - it was this one: stackoverflow.com/a/31627304/472495
Roll back if you need to, it's cool
 
8:14 PM
nah, it's ok. Just flagged.
 
Whenever I see a question "Is there any way to do X?", the urge is strong to post a one-word answer "Yes."
 
8:38 PM
@SmokeDetector f - edit out
 
> Body must be at least 30 characters; you entered 3.
 
@Braiam "Yes, there is a way to do that."
 
@queen I don't know my love.
 
9:29 PM
its abusive (1 rep, member today, no other posts)
 
@Tunaki no wonder Closey keeps dying
 
She is not dying... just spitting out exceptions : )
 
@Closey alive
 
@AndrasDeak Still here you guys!
 
oh, good:)
 
9:33 PM
Getting crazy to make these darn weka models.. example on internet all deprecated code...
 
@Gothdo That is not quite too broad for that tag, though a poor Q and possibly a duplicate.
 
@PetterFriberg Right? hard to find good samples or tutorials out there
 
Yeah I downloaded source code now, seems only way.... I have done model for open nlp.... but I'm stubborn want to test weka also... they have more features to understand what is gooing on
 
I'm still in debug mode trying to make a ARFF file...
 
I'm getting closer : )... header done, adding first file, don't use example on internet they are all deprecated
@PraveenKumar k was correct
 
9:43 PM
LoL. Anyway, Smokey won't accept new updates.
 
if 1 rep user with no other posts, posting cat on keyboard k is ok.
 
Is this a bug? I just dupe-hammered this question but the dupe target never had my gold-badge tag. ¿hruh?
 
@PetterFriberg Perfect...
 
@BrockAdams ?
 
@BrockAdams You do have a JS gold badge.
 
9:45 PM
@BrockAdams I think only question needs the tag not target
 
only the source has to have your badge
 
@BrockAdams normal, only the tags on the Q you are hammering count
 
Ninjad all : )
 
That doesn't seem wise!
 
it's simple dupe closure, which doesn't have restrictions apart from having to have an answer
unless same auther
@BrockAdams it's an edge case, hard to abuse, and easily revealed
I think it's by-design
any gold badger could add the tag to the target anyway...
 
9:46 PM
@BrockAdams Not sure, it allows to close question as duplicate of more general language-agnostic ones
 
@AndrasDeak Okay, I promise to try not to get caught wreaking havoc. :)
 
Like "Why is floating-point math broken"
 
@BrockAdams Wrong Dupe Target bro!
 
@PraveenKumar You got a better one?
 
@BrockAdams Didn't check yet. :)
If I get, I'll dupe hammer it to it.
@SmokeDetector What happened to you? Went for a walk?
 
9:48 PM
@PraveenKumar Also why I was concerned about dupe-hammering on a tag (PHP) that I haven't kept up with.
 
@BrockAdams It's JavaScript question you dupe hammered with.
:P
 
@PraveenKumar But the target Q never had JS as a tag.
 
@BrockAdams You can dupe hammer it to haskell to.
Only source counts.
 
@PraveenKumar So I learned to my chagrin.
 
@AndrasDeak: a "gold badger" sounds like a magical animal :-)
Maybe a special warm light comes out of its whiskers.
 
9:51 PM
it is, magnificent creature
 
@halfer Also known as "goldies" :D
 
@BrockAdams If you want, you can keep dupehammering all the questions tagged with your gold badge to my questions, and I will get some rep by people visiting my question, and later, they'll ban you from closing any more questions and confiscate all your goldies.
You want that to happen? :/
 
You trolling now? :)
 
10:03 PM
@BrockAdams Thanks for your answer on stackapps, I pinged a mod on one of the meta question you mentioned in post.
lets hope they fix it or I will need to waste another api call to check before giving result
 
@PetterFriberg You're welcome. Just beware that there has been no (visible) work on the API for a couple of years now.
 
hmm, but its strange the problem with deleted post started just a couple of days ago?
 
Did it? Are you sure? I don't know if too many would have caught it.
Maybe the main site logic changed a few weeks ago (that linked bug) and the API hasn't been adjusted to compensate?
 
I'm not 100% sure but we have been running for weeks querying for more then 10.000 questions a day, the problem has become visibile this week
 
So basically the "SEDE tutorial" is a SQL tutorial. A bit disappointed.
 
10:16 PM
@PetterFriberg I have been driving for > 50 years and never had an at-fault accident. :D See the logic problem? (Doesn't mean I'm a good driver) Still, maybe they are working again behind the scenes? Would be good news.
 
: ), yeah but if next week you hit cars everyday, something has likely happened : ), but sure I'm not 100% sure...
 
Okay. We'll keep pinging 'em and hoping for the best. :)
 
I'm doing some NLP noew, but I will implement another API call before presenting batch after
@Tuna I have the weka arrf model!!!!, but have no clue if it works
 
\o/
 
arrf model sounds like something involving sea lions:)
 
10:26 PM
11111 lines, seems perfect : ), let me loaded it in weka and see
 
@AndrasDeak Yep, some waffles also.
 
weka weka eeh eeh <Shakira>
 
3000 good and 8000 bad... hmmm maybe we need more good stuff
 
:)
 
ZeroR predicts class value: bad : )
 
user177800
10:31 PM
duplicate - This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful
 
@JarrodRoberson looks like you missed the link
 
I think he means just dupe all questions : )
 
@John No, you are not a privileged user. See the Privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected.
 
11:09 PM
^ scary... "How do I read doc". Really?! "Get a coffee, sit down... and read!"
 
Triage gets a lot more difficult when you run out of CVs.
 
Woot, I've reached 1000 H&I reviews! All that turd polishing........
 
stackoverflow.com/a/38032687/3933332 no fucking idea why that does not work for OP...
 
11:24 PM
you mean "no freaking idea" right? :)
 
@Rizier123 You may want to censor that a bit
 
Just so frustrating!
 
True but be careful with your words in chat. It might be flagged and bring drama.
 
Or at the very least, rene will invite you to trash
 
Some people just spam with "try this" answers and get tons of upvotes and I spent like an hour for such a basic question and have no idea...
 
11:31 PM
Have you ever tried CodeReview @Rizier123?
 
@Tunaki Nope. Never tried any other SE site.
I can imagine that since it is about code reviewing you get called out on every single thing you forgot when you write an answer.
 
@Rizier123 It's so nice and refreshing to post there. You actually see good questions with good and reseached answers.
@Rizier123 Not necessarily. It's about giving best practices, improving working algorithm, pointing out defects...
 
I'm not sure if I would be able to write good enough answers.
 
@Rizier123 On SO it is more that you have a winning answer, but on code review you have more answers that complement each other. I usually make a list using headers in my answers there to show what topics I cover
 
Also since you don't try to fix a MCVE code, like on SO, but you have the entire code of the user to review I can imagine that this can be quite unrewarding when you review many code lines and don't get any feedback from OP.
@Tunaki I mean you must feel very welcome with another fish: codereview.stackexchange.com/users/9357 as mod, which seems to be able to code with every single language.
 
11:41 PM
lol
yes yes I saw it.... 10 minutes dear
2 answers already I want to cry
 
whaddya know NPE
shall I answer that?
lol, one answer linking to the canonical:D
 
@AndrasDeak Sure. And if you include "friendly unicorn", I might even vote on it.
 
11:57 PM
wow that ain't gonna be easy, +0/08
> reformulated question from abstract to a concrete one
 
Used offtopic question to ask new question
 
that ^
 
Question ban workaround or genuine attempt to improve?
 
I assume -8 means question ban, they couldn't ask new one
 
Id still close it, but now as no mcve
 
11:59 PM
^ agree
 
I know of no reason why gunpowder treason should ever be forgot anybody would attempt to fix a question at -8 instead of asking a new one
 

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