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13:00
@zondo network-wise?
@PraveenKumar gone on SO, flagged on SU.
:28938893 hey hey hey, she's not a spammer! Yet. Working on it:D
@sgiri I'm onto it.
@EdCottrell Yay!!! :D
@AndrasDeak What???
13:00
@AndrasDeak hehehe :D
@PraveenKumar that question was "how can I start spamming everyone with my business?"
@AndrasDeak True that.
it's a bit meta-spammy, but the real spamming would've come if she succeeded with her question;)
@AndrasDeak I just took a look at the link that Praveen posted, and clicked the "all actions" tab. It said that there were no actions. How could she be a spammer without doing anything?
@zondo that was just SO, right?
post was on SU
spam gets deleted too quickly
13:02
@zondo Man... I just posted one link to check. Posts in SO have been cleared. Now the user is also gone.
@sgiri I'll post my code and then add a little bit of explanation.
@PM2Ring Thanks :)
@sgiri I've done some rewording and editing to your post
@Magisch oh, full sentences!
there goes the majority of (future) downvotes, I'd think
13:06
Back
A little bit of grammar and wording can make the difference between people DVing or not. You should always aim for proper grammar.
hey
@Magisch yeah, on-topic questions which have full and correct sentences and a polite tone very rarely get downvoted
@NathanOliver Why? Links aren't good?
@PraveenKumar dead links?
@AndrasDeak Yes, I it was on SO. I guess I just assumed too much.
13:08
Could somebody look over my answer to sharptooth's meta question about his original question being closed please?
or is it non-dead for +10k?
@AndrasDeak It wasn't dead when it was removed.
@PraveenKumar it was, for plebeians:P
@PraveenKumar It was deleted for a reason. We deal with SO problems here. we have nothing to do with SU moderation.
@AndrasDeak plebians?
13:08
@PraveenKumar <10k users like me
@NathanOliver Okie dokie. :D
@AndrasDeak LoL
I didn't know that deleted users can also be looked at by high-rep genies:)
@Magisch Wow! Thank You so much. I am a bit weak in grammar.
@Magisch - thanks for the edit - I don't know how I didn't spot that.
@rene You might want to have a look at the comment discussion following tristans answer
13:13
Err...I know that this guy doesn't like SOCVR...but isn't that the answer little abusive? meta.stackoverflow.com/a/317578/5299236
@Magisch Yeah, I'm try to formulate carefully but the translation between what happens in my head and being a fit in 500 chararacters needs time...
Its salty
I dont know about abusive
I wouldnt flag it
I'm not going to flag it, just I also don't like that answer.
@KevinGuan don't go down that route, we are being called out. That is bound to happen. Just let it go
@WaiHaLee only mods can see deleted comments. 10k users cant see them at all
13:15
I didn't even DV it
@rene Yeah, yeah. I know.
@sgiri Not a problem!
@Magisch I didn't also...but after his edit, I did.
@Magisch Good lad!
@cimmanon Huh - okay. I thought 10k users could see all deleted content. Thanks for pointing that out - I've edited my answer.
13:17
nope, just deleted questions and answers
@Magisch Not only because that he doesn't like SOCVR, but it's all SOCVR's fault isn't a solution/answer to the question.
@rene might be particularly annoyed by this since he's a RO, but im not specificly
so someone called us out. Big deal. I don't really care that much about that.
@Magisch I think this is inevitable
you step on a lot of toes, for good reason
and it's not hard to conceive that mistakes are made every once in a while (I remember a mass-downvote-to-feed-roomba question a while back on meta)
so people are suspicious, again for good reason
but these monitoring actions make the system work better, even if there's some burning fury involved on both sides
Thats part of why I dont care
And I don't think you should, besides making sure that you always act on solid grounds. Which I know you do, and the regulars do. It should just be a reminder for more volatile people to take care here.
13:23
Im prepared to defend and justify any vote I cast (close or down or up) so if someone has a specific question or answer I voted on to discuss, I'll bite. Other then that im not responsible for what other people do in this room and neither is anyone else.
That question is a complete cesspool of link-onlys
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hi all
@Magisch for the record, I fully agree.
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This bounty question lists its potential dupe targets in the question itself. Think it's bad enough for a mod flag?
@Ferrybig as requested there is one up there for you. I am working on a larger one now
@Magisch Too soon to cast delete votes - there's (I think) a two-day waiting period.
13:35
@PM2Ring Your code is gorgeous
@sgiri Thanks! I told it you it was. :) Don't forget to accept it. :D
@Ferrybig the other one is up there too now. All that activity is in the other room. So please make requests over there :P
@PM2Ring Accepted :)
@sgiri Thanks! And see, there was no need to worry about rep.
morning!
13:45
morning!
morning!
@PM2Ring I got it now. If you weren't here, I would be still worrying obout the rep. rather than getting the answer I need.
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yo
@EricD. You should post an answer, since your comment solved the problem
@gunr2171 meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/317570/… might be of interest to you. Specifically the long comment discussion underneath Tristran's answer.
@sgiri It was a lucky coincidence. But you could have replied to that comment I left you. Actually, I should delete that comment, since it's no longer relevant.
13:48
He is essentially arguing that the system is damaging because some people vote on those questions without adhering to the room rules.
@JAL Mm. Would this Q&A be useful for other readers? If you think it would, I'll make an answer, then.
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unless there's a canonical dupe for strongly typed arrays in Swift, I would just go for it
then close it
@Magisch already reading
@JAL ok
@Magisch I've just read (almost) the long comment discussion underneath Tristran's answer. Anyway, I think they just don't know what's SOCVR created for. So I think we should explain well about that, it's not all their fault or our fault. I'd retract my downvote (but it's too late :( ) and what I've said before.
13:50
trust me, I knew about it before I joined chat today
@Magisch And I agree with BoltClock♦: We should chat about it here, rather than within that question.
@gunr2171 What do you think about it?
@KevinGuan The other commenters seem to disagree.
@JAL Now that I see my answer there, I think you were right, it could be helpful. Thanks.
@KevinGuan writing.....
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@EricD. Nice answer! Now let's close it
lol
13:55
@gunr2171 Wait, don't write a comment there since BoltClock♦ said we shouldn't do that.
I'm writing here
@gunr2171 Okay
Any stats of how many close votes have been casted by room regulars? How many of those were triggered by someone in the room? How many of those were later reopened?
@Magisch Hmm...the comment discussion seems is ended anyway. So I think it's doesn't matter if they don't want join here and chat about it.
13:57
Bye everyone. Will be back again.
good morning.
not so good... as morning goes
ah truly? that's too bad.
sd remove- edited
14:03
Close vote are subjective (which is mostly ironic). 5 people thought that it was close worthy. The author did not, edited his post, and got advice on meta. Then the post was reopened. I don't see anything wrong with that. From my point of view, I thought the original form of the question was broad, borderline close worthy. After the edits, the post certainly has enough information to not be closed.

That's the cycle of things here. That's how it works. Posts get closed all the time; it's not unreasonable that a false positive happened. Plus, it got the post to be edited and it's quality imp
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@Tushar When you edit the post, make sure to edit the body, not just the title: stackoverflow.com/q/35604264/2415822
I fixed it for you this time
ah crap i think i edited it after it was closed
@JAL Sure, thanks
@gunr2171 gunr's message = WaiHaLee's answer + rene's comments
First part about the question has already been said in WaiHaLee's answer, the second part about [cv-pls]...I think rene has been explained it well. So I'm voting to close gunr's message as dupe.
BoltClock has deleted comments on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/317570/…, I suggest user clears up comments without context
I'm not seriously anyway.
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14:07
@Braiam last active 3 years ago, if it's old, we usually leave it alone
@JAL it was poisoning my results of an unrelated problem, I found it by googling around and was higher... which is kind of irritating
Meh, as I have triggered that Meta conversation by asking about the Q inhere, I hope I haven't put this room in bad light.
all publicity is good publicity!.. It was interesting to see how does high rep user consider closing question. I never stop being surprised on SO
That's right, I just don't want to cause any harm to this room and/or it's members.
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Beard of Zues. This functionality is built into the browser by default / shouldn't be handled by jquery. — AnchovyLegend 4 mins ago
14:14
@kayess Don't care, I think you didn't.
@kayess You need to consider the end result for SO... is it bad or is it good... I think SO has a better question, I think this room will be even more diligent in close reasons...
can't see anything bad as result...
One guy is arguing this room shouldnt exist and does more damage then harm
Oh hey, a mod created a chat room for that discussion:
@Braiam edited and cv'd
@SmokeDetector I read that as cesspool api
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14:18
^ that looks ok unless anyone wants to change CEP to Complex Event Processor
@KevinGuan shouldn't REST be in all caps?
@JAL I don't know that :(
@KevinGuan going with "too broad" because on these types of questions I treat the "or is there some tool to help" as the secondary item
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REST API is usually in caps, since it's an acronym
representable state transfer
@JAL Okay got it.
@gunr2171 Hmm...okay, agreed.
@Magisch, I don't want to shut you up... but let rene handle it for awhile
14:24
^ yes
@JAL After looked at the tag: CEP in caps seems also correct...So I made a useless edit...
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lol
it happens
I'll back out of this for a few minutes
im only getting irrationally angry again
great, yes have some coffee like Tuna says...
coffee?
14:25
@Magisch Go get angry on Facebook then, they enabled "angry" status on posts today! :)
I hate cofee
tea then
@Magisch Because that meta answer?
Ahhhh, I give up about chat in that room. I think I'll make some mistakes later if I still try to tell anyone anything there.
@KevinGuan that's probably for the better
no offence meant
@gunr2171 Yes thank, I know.
Also I got that rene really is a good RO.
14:37
@KevinGuan Me too, I'm getting confused about the topic there.
rene has the patience of a saint
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Maybe rene is a saint. Most of them come from europe ;)
lol, he is.
Off-topic stuff: replace('SO CVR', 'SOCVR')
another coffe @Magisch
!!/coffee
14:46
@KevinGuan brews coffee for @KevinGuan
I still think that tristan's just saying:
in Discussion on answer by tristan: Any ideas why my question about programmatically finding details for a "certificate" object was closed?, 25 mins ago, by rene
We seem to be here because the SOCVR is an evil and useless bunch of users closing and voting and flagging stuff like 3 years old. Can we address that?
take the coffee @Magisch
@Magisch close the tab
@gunr2171 I am getting slightly angry
14:55
I know, stop
fighting fire with fire is not a good thing
If I was a mod, I would just delete the meta question and that chat room to end this endless and useless war discussion. Is that useful for anyone? I think it can only gets everyone angry and then everyone could do the stuff which actually they didn't want to do. We're a Community, please end this war together as the best Community.
Make love!
As a mod, I would probably not look at that post at all since it would compel me to hand out suspensions to users for several things that I wouldn't want to hand out
And since I am not a mod thats a good thing currently
@KevinGuan you can't make problems go away by deleting them
@gunr2171 Ah, yeah. However I just want end the war. Why we couldn't be friends rather than enemies?
14:59
as long as people have opinions we will have conflict
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I must say stackoverflow is good at dealing with these kinds of war
On other sites this would simply end in a 2weeks-perma ban for everyone involved.
gunr is a clever mod
We have a lot of level-headed people with the smarts to make civil arguments. That's what needs to happen right now.
@gunr2171 Or in other words "Not me"
@Magisch Not a good way.
15:01
Also not me. Why do you think I haven't said anything in the other room yet?
The problem now is that people only see our effects from the misfired close nukes, all our good interactions are missed
@Ferrybig Stop, stop stop.
@KevinGuan Jokingly: you sound like John Lennon back in the sixties experiencing with magic mushrooms. :p
@Ferrybig I did not vote, but not sure that it was a misfire the question is better now...
Try to be level-headed everyone.
15:02
@KevinGuan On MCF we had the habit of just perma-ing both sides of heated discussions if they werent veteran users.
@kayess Didn't hear about that :P
brb
I'm back and I'm noticing that there is a Meta war now. I strongly suggest to back out of it and leave the people disagreeing write a clear Meta question about what they are arguing for.
Back
@Tunaki TUNAKI! PLEASE HELP AND SAVE US ALL!!!
@Tunaki welcome to the last 15 minutes for me here, calming everyone down
The discussion was moved to a different chat room. Why is it continued here?
15:05
On another topic, would you flag this as spam? This post existed for more than 2 months, while it got closed as spam today (flag status is helpful)
@zondo We all know that.
in Discussion on answer by tristan: Any ideas why my question about programmatically finding details for a "certificate" object was closed?, 3 mins ago, by rene
I really oppose to calling our users inexperienced. You are allowed on only after >1K. Users below that are watched for and coached.
@Tunaki *disappointedly puts away the trebuchets and firey stones*
Is there anyone under 1K like me ?
Wafflez
15:06
@Ferrybig Thats definately spam
@Ferrybig Yes. Question is "what is the difference between these two types of unit tests?" Answer does not attempt to discuss that difference, but insteads offers a product for the OP to use when doing unit tests.
SO is in read only mode
right?
That answer exists only for (unsolicited) promotion of a commcercial product
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@NathanOliver same for me
15:08
@NathanOliver Same
I think it's all SE sites. I can't hit my other communities either
@NathanOliver Me too.
Probably getting ddosd or something
@ryanyuyu wow, don't be so violent :P
15:09
@KevinGuan nothing on twitter either yet
@Magisch nah, backend fubared
@gunr2171 Yeah, the newest one on stackstatus.net is for February 14th
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@gunr2171 lol should've know to be more precise. I of course mean "hit up"
This site is currently in read-only mode; we’ll return with full functionality soon. Follow @StackStatus or visit our status blog for more info.
15:10
maybe they ddos'ed themselves like last year's april fools.
Its always fun looking at the home page when the site is in read-only, the old tabs look fun
Ultimate April Fool's joke. Happens in February.
in Discussion on answer by tristan: Any ideas why my question about programmatically finding details for a "certificate" object was closed?, 38 secs ago, by Petter Friberg
"I'm not a member of the SOCVR team", but as far as I can see they take great care is taken to improve, question and answers if possible, comments are made under post to help OP. If a OP cares about his post he can get it re-opened (which is often made by the room). In the end the related question probably is better now. I'm personally very much for helping OP to make great post and the best room I can find to help OP is strangle the SOCVR.
@PetterFriberg I think you're a member of us, aren't you?
And we are back
It's back?
15:12
Wow, not in read-only mode.
Is this on-topic for Stack Overflow? stackoverflow.com/q/35605818/5299236 (gets waffled)
@pp_ I went with POB
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@NathanOliver Yeah, I wasn't sure, looks like I was wrong.
@PetterFriberg I think the issue is with the room, not the team
exactly the point I'm not the team... but I will have a coffee to...
15:19
@PetterFriberg I don't think that if you're not in the team, then you're not the part of SOCVR. For example that Magisch's also not in that team, also me, etc.
Hmm...seems the war is ended anyway.
Well what I felt was missing from the discussion is all the effort that users in room do do make question better and help the OP.
@KevinGuan let rene handle it and I suggest we'd stop discussing this
@Tunaki Yeah, I know.
@PetterFriberg Exactly!! And in the end the question got edited and got made it better.
@PetterFriberg Both Poke & Tristan acknowledged that SOCVR does perform a valuable service, just that there's the potential for people acting as a group to get a bit heavy-handed with the close votes.
15:26
@PM2Ring immune system going leukaemiac:P
On the one hand the group approach does have its benefits, but it's easy for the mob mentality to arise, too. And that's why we have our ten minute rule on cv-pls in SO Python. And we generally also post a comment before we start close-voting, to give the OP a chance to improve the question, and give them our help to do so, when possible / practical.
@PM2Ring Please stop the argument. We all know the rules here.
@Tunaki I'm not arguing.
I like to point to the pink elephant in the room: anyone has hard data of any of this happening?
@kayess Not that I know of. You're doing fine. Get some rep... ;)
15:31
And I certainly wasn't trying to tell you guys how to run your room. I was just explaining why we have our policy in SO Python (where I'm a Room Owner, BTW).
I mean, there was a dedicated chat room, it is settled. If the parties concerned (someone from this room or not) have something to add about this room, let them start a discussion on Meta when this will have cooled down.
meh, all this discussion have a bland taste to me... I've always said that if a question will be closed eventually, the earlier the better
So how about that <insert favorite sports team name> game last night? It was an <insert adjective here> game.
In the mean time, there is nothing more to discuss.
@Tunaki Understood
15:34
Except whether we put jam or sugar on top of waffles.
@NathanOliver "Did you see that ludicrous display last night?"
Or if we're supposed to use tab or spaces.
Because tabs are better.
If anyone else is tired of that discussion, and would like to delete some questions, I could use some help here (see the bottom of the answer). Thx!
@rene Thanks! Will do..
@Tunaki I need to send a package to your house, can you give me the address?
15:34
that elephant....
@Tunaki I tried nutella & bananas this morning. Yum!
@Mogsdad +pancakes!
@Tunaki Die, heretic scum!
(European kind)
Cleaned out my temp folder at work
15:35
@NathanOliver unfortunately for me, (American) football is in the off-season.
100GB extra free space...
@TylerH -1 not spring yet
@ryanyuyu I know. I hate when the season ends.
@KevinGuan IMO it's not a good one but it is an answer I think
15:36
@AndrasDeak True story: For our recent vacation (DisneyWorld), I bought a Mickey Mouse waffle maker and had it delivered to our hotel before we arrived. Waffles every morning!
It would be better if the 100k user checked the documentation and shared what it said
@PM2Ring that's too subtle...
@TylerH Hmm...I agreed.
"Check the documentation" is a pointer, not a solution
^ but it is good enough
15:37
@TylerH And I think the second part is enough for an answer.
@PM2Ring tabs >>>>> spaces. Obv.
@Mogsdad waffles are overrated *runs away in panic*
anyone feel that the question should be answered?
@TylerH in this case, it says "you can't do that, only by checking the documentation", right?
so it is an answer, a crappy one
so yeah, basically what Kevin said
@KevinGuan if it is, it seems more like a symptom of a poor question
15:39
@AndrasDeak not quite; checking the docs won't tell you whether a built-in function returns a value
@AndrasDeak Not so. Assertion: More fat => more flavour. Observe: Waffle batter = pancake batter + oil. Implication: Waffles taste better than pancakes!
it'll only tell you you can't tell
@cimmanon lol
it seems to be asking a question along the lines of "give me a mnemonic for memorizing the order of colors in the rainbow"
@cimmanon I agree
but bad questions are the worst from the point of view of NAA:(
15:41
Anyway, I'm felling asleep so I'm about to go to bed, bonne nuit!
@Mogsdad well that's why I said European pancakes;)
@KevinGuan good night
@TylerH I guess...with documentation being optional and everything
@TylerH really? there are docs that dont show the return types of functions?
@cimmanon automatic python function help?
@Mogsdad Pancakes are good also. Pancakes = Waffles for taste
Help on built-in function matchTemplate in module cv2:

matchTemplate(...)
matchTemplate(image, templ, method[, result]) -> result
that's it
(of course there's official documentation online that's more helpful, but help() will tell you this much)
15:44
that seems pretty not very useful (ive only used languages where the docs show the return types)
@cimmanon indeed it isn't:P
which is probably the point of TylerH
Can it be that the CV-queue now is ordered by CV count?
that question is almost closed now
@Rizier123 You have reason to believe that?
@Rizier123 it wasn't before
15:48
@Tunaki The last 5 were on 4 cv-votes and then followed by a 3 cv'ed
I believe it's by age of flags
IIRC
@Rizier123 Hmmmmm maybe some extraordinary luck.
Wait I'll go in the queue and see
@cimmanon Andreas is talking about the docs that are "embedded" in the module's code. I agree that info's pretty minimal, but it's not a standard Python module, it's a 3rd party module. The standard module tend to be much better. Of course the built-in docs are not meant to be as informative as real docs.
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Is this POB? I feel like only Apple engineers can answer this: stackoverflow.com/q/35606394/2415822 (already attracting FGITW answers)
@PM2Ring sure, I used openCV as a worst-case scenario:)
since "documentation" might mean a lot of things...
15:51
@AndrasDeak Fair enough. :) I've never used it myself.
@Rizier123 Okay. I've done 10 or so reviews. Indeed I've had more questions at CV4 than before.
@JAL seems POB to me
I mostly use numpy and matplotlib, and both have pretty verbose and informative built-in helps
But it wasn't ordered, I had one at CV2 then one at CV4 after that.
@KevinGuan Hmm?
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15:52
Thanks cimm
@ProgramFOX Hiya o/
@ProgramFOX Kevin pinged you about a discussion concerning Smokey. We (I)'ve had several spam / abusive flags declined on garbage answers like "gzrgzrgbzer"
from 1-rep user
so, the question was: should Smokey continue to report those posts since "they're not spam"?
I remember seeing some contradictory answers on what to do with those posts.
Yes. Everything is contradictory.
15:55
I think this discussion already came up once, but not sure. @Undo Any chance you remember that^?
!!/coffee
@PraveenKumar brews coffee for @PraveenKumar
@cimmanon Sort of. But as was mentioned in the comments, it's a Python convention that functions which modify a mutable object do so in-place and return None. All the standard Python modules adhere to that convention, and so do all (sane) 3rd-party modules. So the main thing you need to remember is whether an object is mutable or not, and that shouldn't be too hard.
!!/stats
!!/ver

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