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07:05
Morning.!
user4639281
Morning
@TinyGiant Did you read my arguments why that won't work well, imo?
Heh, one of the close-voters also voted to reopen
user4639281
I've read the question, all of the answers, and all of the comments. I still see no reason why it shouldn't be used as a canonical.
07:22
So, you disagree with most of the points raised against collections like that? Regarding rep loss for existing answers, collections being a mess to maintain, answer duplication, and linked dupes not linking to a specific answer?
user4639281
Yes
Okay
I'd love to see an answer disassembling those, if you want to.
user4639281
Maybe in the morning, it is 11:30 here.
*Nods*
user4639281
But here are the crux of my rebuttals. 1. it isn't about rep 2. all canonicals are hard to maintain, the solution is maintenance 3. this slows further duplication of answers 4. users should be able to search.
07:29
Here is the crux of my rebuttal: they should be immediately locked so every Tom, Dick, and Harry doesn't hang a meaningless Answer under it
user4639281
That is where the maintenance part comes in.
user4639281
Downvotes, delete votes, and other such moderation tools
I don't think those collections would reduce the amount of questions posted about the subjects in there
Since those questions in there already exist, with good answers
I think they are fab, so long as the page down key is hit at most twice
user4639281
No it may not, but it will reduce the duplicate answers those questions receive.
07:32
@Drew: the php collection has 31 answers
user4639281
@TinyGiant: Instead, the collections will get extra answers (or existing answers extended)
This is what I like: for common top 10 top 20 Q dupe types, a quick link
A single dupe link can't link to the relevant answer though
user4639281
Instead of requiring 5 close votes to close crap no-research no-debugging-effort questions, it requires a single dupe-hammer vote.
user4639281
07:33
That's a win in my books
That dupe hammer can also be used on the specific questions that already exist
So, there's no gain by dumping them in a collection
user4639281
Yeah, which take longer to find, if they get found at all.
Googling them isn't slower than googling the collection
and while they hunt for the best dupe, the answers mount
Those canonicals are trivial to find.
user4639281
07:35
As more questions asked are duped to that question, more users posting their error into google will be redirected to that question.
Errors that aren't in the list will link to the original canonicals.
It's just a different google result
No time gain / loss
user4639281
So add them to that canonical. Sign-posts are good, pointing them all to one question is even better.
@Cerbrus if a mod would only read you the comments that were deleted under this thing stackoverflow.com/a/33487761
they don't search for dupes. They answer
Textbook too broad.
your turn ;-)
@Drew: Users not searching isn't solved by posting a collection
Users will still not search
Nothing but shock therapy will change that
I am talking about a Gold saying it takes too long to find the dupe
07:38
Then I say that gold should learn to google
user4639281
The biggest problem is that when users post their error into google, they get results tailored to a specific question.
Searching is trivial
@TinyGiant: Then fix the canonicals
dont tell him that !
user4639281
adds to to-do list
Whoops, what have I done o.O
Hehe
user4639281
07:39
Hold on, let me get my chainsaw.
Either way: collections like these are a perfect example why we need that documentation feature
user4639281
Sure, but we don't have it yet.
user4639281
Someone is trying to help solve the problem, and you're shoving it in his face.
user4639281
Any "better" is better than worse in my book.
But it's not better...
user4639281
07:41
It is a solution, maybe not the best solution in the world, but a solution nonetheless.
It's less maintainable, it's more of a hassle to close as a dupe of a specific answer in there, it doesn't allow separate voting, when there's multiple solutions for a single error.
Alcohol is a solution too. Doesn't make it a good idea.
user4639281
I'd rather just leave a comment telling the user to learn how to debug their code, and unilaterally delete the question, but that ain't happening any time soon.
user4639281
Alcohol is a good idea unless machinery is involved.
So, just close it as dupe of a canonical
The user is linked directly to the dupe and the proper answer
user4639281
Sure, that one.
07:44
No, the other one :P
Morning o/
user4639281
If we start closing canonicals as too broad, it becomes a slippery slope very quickly.
My point is that it isn't a canonical
user4639281
And my point is that it is.
It doesn't ask a single question, and it sure doesn't have a single answer
user4639281
07:46
So, what about the regex question then.
Is not!
link?
user4639281
Go to the ask question page and type regex in the title box, a warning shows up with the link.
user4639281
Oh and you gotta press enter
user4639281
That is probably the broadest question on the entire site, ever asked ever.
07:48
@TinyGiant WTB documentation
user4639281
WTB?
want to buy
user4639281
I don't understand
"we need X asap"
Imo, that question is extremely broad, and totally beside the point of Q/A. But I can see it's a necessary evil.
user4639281
Just as necessary as the evil you're trying to rid the world of right now.
07:50
This case is different though
Good canonical answers already exist
user4639281
Yeah, and good canonical regex answers already existed prior to that question.
For example, I googled "RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded"
user4639281
Put 'em all in one place, and it makes it that much simpler to close it quickly
That question is used as source in the collection
user4639281
And did you get a bunch of information about other simple errors and a question to bookmark for the next time you get an error?
07:53
Closing it quickly isn't as valuable to me as closing it as a better duplicate. Especially if the time difference is a matter of seconds.
user4639281
I'd say the question you're trying to get deleted is the best duplicate.
No, but I wouldn't want a bookmark like that, since half of the times, it won't contain the specific error I'm looking for any way
It's not. The answers are incomplete, the user would have to search for the correct answer.
Only to be greeted with 5 different links to other SO questions explaining the error
user4639281
Then look there first, and if you can't find it, then google, and if you can't find it, then search stack overflow, and if you can't find it, use a debugger, and if you still can't find it, then ask a question.
The user will never be satisfied
I'd rather just skip that first step. Google -> canonical
Bookmarks are so 2010
07:55
You can craft the perfect canonical, with the same variable names, the user is unique
user4639281
Why not google -> ultimate canonical for all regex questions javascript errors?
That "ultimate" canonical can't possibly cover all errors
And then, it links to the question
Meaning you'd still have to search for the error on the page
user4639281
Sure it can, every time you encounter a question that is asked over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, add it to the canonical.
Who will maintain a collection with 50 answers?
user4639281
@Cerbrus omgz, searching is hard
07:57
Google searching is easier than the literal search available in your browser
user4639281
@Cerbrus Firstly, the user who posted the question, secondly, the javascript community, thirdly, anyone who cares.
The php collection has answers that haven't been touched in over 2 years
user4639281
@Cerbrus But that only solves one problem, the canonical in question solves many future problems you may have, in an orderly fashion.
I'm sure every single one of them can be improved
user4639281
SHAME ON THE PHP COMMUNITY!!!!!!ELEVEN
07:59
I'm kinda growing tired of this debate...
We're not gonna agree
user4639281
I'm kinda growing tired of being awake.
Is this the same kind of discussion as they had here? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252868/…
user4639281
@Thaillie This one had way more discussion so far, but yes.
user4639281
sd why?
@TinyGiant [:28118344] Body - Position 138-142: shit
user4639281
08:04
sd - ignore edited
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user4639281
forgot the -
user4639281
Anyways, my bed is calling, and it is getting louder and louder, so I'm gonna go. Don't have too much fun while I'm gone.
Cya o/
08:10
Morning Tim o/
08:26
I would kill for a couple extra hours of sleep
08:58
Thanks for the suggestion, Tunaki. I've taken it into consideration and my secretary will get back to you within 30 business days
09:13
Did any of the Dutch people here hear a "strange" noise yesterday? telegraaf.nl/f/24994333
I was inside for most of the day, must have missed it
Sounds like an alien invasion
Nope
Just a hoax, probably.
09:30
\o/o\o/o\o/
@Thaillie I constantly hear strange noise but I will not bother you with the ramblings of my boss....
Probably rutte's campaign for next election. He'll be like "peeps of the netherlands, vote for me! I'll protect you from the aliens"
@Nordehinu stats
09:32
8,841 need review
766 reviews today
3,055,236 reviews all-time
So, what's the world going on? Almost 9k?
Yes, but be happy it isn't back to 130K...
It fluctuates
People will wake up soon and it goes down again, then it goes up again, and down again, up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down you know the drill
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Fine.
Again?
Apparently
09:39
user has been deleted now
@TimCastelijns Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A
Huh, I wish we can ban the user half an hour if his post has been deleted because red flags. Then we can...You know.
and morning all
Morning
morning!
09:40
Morning o/
@Cerbrus congrats, 9 lives
Morning
Hyia o/ all
09:41
Morning! You waffles!
Does the mytags page works for you guys?
Yep
For me it's broken, doesn't refreshes the page and so on
09:41
Yep
Yep ok thanks
So, sooooooo many tags.
UI is borked though (the tags in the textbox don't show properly)
I answered this question but I'm not feeling good about it since it was very easy. Is there reason to close that? or is it just downvote and move-on type of question(lacks research)? Weirdly, couldn't find a dupe.
@KevinGuan so many tags? I have ~30 on fav. tags and another 50 on the ignored.
09:43
Yep
Waffles \o/
@KevinGuan Yep what?
@Lafexlos not all questions have to be hard. If you can't easily find a dupe it's fine I think
@kayess Yep that so many tags. However, I only have 13 on fav :)
16 ignored
@Lafexlos yup don't be shy. If there's no dupe and the question is fine (even if easy), you should answer it
Ok UI is back to normal \o
09:46
Ok then, thanks both.
@kayess Hmm...Talk about hack possible off-topic for Stack Overflow. But Too broad anyways.
10:05
Plop!
Plop Kyll o/
How are you bots and girls?
@Kyll o/
botting away
10:06
@Kyll Closey == girl bot.
@Tunaki Weirdly, when someone says \o or equivalent, my mind places two "p" and rearranges the word to make it the One Word. Every time someone waves a hand, I hear "Plop".
It's official. Kyll is weird.
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Isn't every one weird :p
@KevinGuan But Nordehinu is a he
@Tunaki is a he. Good.
10:10
@Tunaki So yeah I was going to ask if anyone else did that, I guess not.
> Va is an array of size 2 , Vz is an array of size 4 ,Vr is an array of size 2 ,Vl is an array of size 3
Already confused
Naming is hard, uh
Waffles
Marmelade
@Kyll Yeah, also unclear. However:
in Boring Python chat room, Jan 3 at 14:36, by Kevin Guan
I'm voting to close this Too Broad question as Unclear because it lacks a MCVE.
Post changed in revision 4 after being answered, invalidating answers, rollback requested: stackoverflow.com/posts/15295116/revisions
Okay that box is too big.
10:14
Quoting a quote of you quoting a quote of you quoting yourself... hmm
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@Tunaki Check the testing facility for more
@Tunaki I know, that means Tunaki has waffles.
not sure if I should use "yo dawg" or "inception" reference
See, if I one-box this I'm dead.
I dare you
10:17
What do I get if I do it?
A problem with rene :p
rene's wrath
You mentioned it Kyll which means you are thinking of doing it. We are just here to push you over the line
Come on, do it.
You mean push me down the cliff of infinite pain
I guarantee you a stream of waffles if you do it.
10:21
I feel like you are using waffles as a substitute for painful fire
I'm pretty sure rene has some "quick and painless" ways Kyll
I'm entirely sure he's not going to be using them
@Kyll As opposed to the non-painful fire?
@DavidG Exactly
Waffles
...
Imma rage now.
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10:26
lol
Take turns guys
I can't be ninja'd.
@Tunaki Unless it's Madara, right?
I mean, who would dare ninja me?
Ninjaki
10:28
See above.
@Kyll Pl\op
@kayess For some reason this gives "Phlop".
~= Flop. I thought pronouncing ph will become F.
Closer to Phlog, the evil weapon of OPness
@Tunaki Hmm...our ninja puppy mod?
10:39
sd edited
11:05
Huh, two reopen votes here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/314681/…. Should it get reopened?
@KevinGuan It was closed because the Q was reopened
I would say so, but I can't say I care enough to make up my mind
@Tunaki Oh yeah, seems so.
@TimCastelijns Fine.
It's another "y is my Q closed", I don't find those very useful since they are always situation specific
So everyone should ask questions like that here instead of post another useless question on meta!
11:08
no not here :p
Situation is solved, Q is not useful to anyone else but OP, don't bother reopening (my 2 cents)
@TimCastelijns just edit it into shape and provide an answer based on the comments
Okay another question: How can I tell this guy I'm not the OP? stackoverflow.com/questions/34785690/…
@KevinGuan you already did, don't bother putting up with his inability to read
@KevinGuan left a comment
Okay thanks. Waffles for everyone! \o/
Rob
Rob
11:25
stackoverflow.com/questions/34788158/… "Today I accidentally published my credentials to a production database"
Awesome.
Rob
Rob
As a bonus, it appears those credentials are going through a query string
And going through twice. I love it.
Free flags
Troll, that need to be hammered: http://webapps.stackexchange.com/q/88669/45867

should be enough to get the question offline
That's a different site!
11:37
@bummi I'll help you out but this room is not meant for side-wide moderation.
Rob
Rob
I got all excited when I saw +100 rep pop up
But it was the exchange joining bonus.. :(
Sorry , to late to delete :( Taverne is empty
@bummi It's OK, it could have been a worse site, like wordpress.... shiver
@bummi you can always try to ping me ... I'll listen :)
@Rob lol
Is this too broad? I think it would be but I'm not sure: stackoverflow.com/questions/34787755/walking-a-drive
Rob
Rob
11:45
@KevinGuan Seems too broad; on the other hand - it's a flawed question which does have a definite answer (you can't gain performance by utilizing threads).
@Rob Yeah, however too broad is: There are either too many possible answers, or good answers would be too long for this format. And I think if that question is answerable, then the answers would like it.
@Rob you don't know Italian? ; )
@KevinGuan I'd go for broad
Rob
Rob
@PetterFriberg I stopped learning it 20 years ago.. so I'm basically fluent :)
12:00
@bummi Huh, I think they both ok in this case.
Rob
Rob
@DavidG 45 minutes later the guy comes back and realises what he's done
Haha I bet he feels like a fool now
No one is passing question on jasperreports today... they afraid I will answer.... That's how you stop people asking....
@KevinGuan Mhhh ... could be disputed by him, since he is not explicit asking for, at least for my reading
Rob
Rob
Can an OP delete their question if there is a positive (yet deleted) answer?
12:07
What to do with this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/34789218/…
I would assume so Rob
@bummi Ah, fair enough.
Rob
Rob
@TimCastelijns I thought so too, but they appear to think they cannot delete the question
Can two people please downvote my answer stackoverflow.com/questions/34788158/deleted-quetion/… so the OP can rest (a bit) easier? Posted credentials and now wants to remove the question
Question should be closed and deleted instead. Don't ask for downvotes (plus it's deleted, can't vote for it)
@Thaillie Edited, looks fine for me.
Rob
Rob
12:10
@Tunaki I know, but I feel bad for the guy. He's been going around leaving comments and editing the question down to nothing. Oh well, will leave it for now
Look, OP was wrong.
Rob
Rob
Yep, seems to be
What a surprise :P
Rob
Rob
;)
Wait, what? About the above of mine?
12:13
no
@Rob I've deleted all the comments that indicate it may contain PII - marked all the flags as helpful - but since it's already deleted, there's not much that can be done right now
Rob
Rob
@JonClements Cheers :)
@Rob you can also self-delete an answer at any time (ie: doesn't require requests for downvotes)
Rob
Rob
Yeah, I did. Though OP claimed he was still unable to delete his question. I wasn't sure if the positive score still counted
Though I've since found out he was wrong and just assumed he couldn't delete since there was still another (-1) answer
12:24
It had 3 answers
Rob
Rob
Right, two of us self-deleted
Just after I asked for the downvotes, I guess he tried anyway and self-deleted; so at least I know in the future it doesn't count the positive score for deleted answers.. :)
2 answers or more, or a positively scored answer prevent self deletion
Rob
Rob
Right
@Nord stats
9,118 need review
1,074 reviews today
3,055,544 reviews all-time
12:40
Nooooooooo, 9k now. It'll be 130k soon!
RO are actually creating sock-puppets accounts and post bad questions all day long to keep that number high; otherwise this room would have no purpose.
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Morning
Morning
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12:48
Morning
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definitely not a duplicate, do you not think that if it was i wouldn't have posted this? have you even read the question? — MotoStromm 2 hours ago
Hmm...sounds offensive.
> do you not think that if it was i wouldn't have posted this?
can someone translate that for me
if it was were
Hint button python this guy again.. with the same title. I liked his dedication though. lol
12:54
I think he means "would have "
Rob
Rob
It's correct.. just weird. "Don't you think that if it was, I wouldn't have posted this?"
"Don't you think that if it were a duplicate, I wouldn't have posted this?"
^ Yeah, what I just want to say.
^ Yeah, just what I wanted to say.
"Don't you disagree that if it was not incorrect, I wouldn't have avoided posted this" should have said that
12:57
Thinking whether to hammer or not
ell.stackexchange.com Thought you guys might need this.
Rob
Rob
It's not a duplicate because the question is not how to solve the error, but rather, please fix my code for me.. ;)
@Tunaki Yeah, my English is bad you know.
However, just posted a comment.
with pretty format

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