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19:00
I had as much reputation as you do seven months ago...
@Unihedron Why not? My glass is more than half full ;)
@Unihedron I've gotten 1300 rep this month
@durron597 your hope is delivered
@rene Oh, I thought you were the first one, haha. Thanks @ArtjomB.
@durron597 Your case doesn't matter because both Nathan and I are in the < 1 year club.
19:01
Can I join too?
You may argue that I've already earned my earling badge but that doesn't matter because I founded the club.
@Kyll Nope, you have to have 3k to be in any clubs in this room.
@Unihedron seven months ago Nathan had 0 rep :-P
@Kyll No, but you can when you have the rep.
@durron597 Now you're bullying me to get more rep?
19:01
@TylerH Well, exactly.
@Kyll Who, me? =D
@durron597 I guess I'll try...
@Kyll Ask @gunr2171 I bully him all the time to get more rep and he's a room owner :-P
My first seven months earned me as much rep as Nathan did in his, while my current seven years didn't get me anywhere.
I'm not to worried. I just keep trying to post good answers and clean up the crap.
19:04
That's the spirit! Don't burn out over it.
11
Q: What makes a kid turn bully, and how to prevent him from turning into a bully?

TheIndependentAquariusI have heard about bullies in schools, haven't ever seen or faced them in real life though. I would like to know what makes a kid bully, and how to prevent him from becoming a bully?

mic-drop
@gunr2171 At first I read "turn belly, how to prevent him from turning into a belly"
If we are discussing parenting posts here, I'm out
I flag @durron597 as "living in a culture that is fascinated with winning, power, and violence" because he is moderating SO
@rene shades of your childhood?
19:06
Dark clouds I guess
were there 50 of those shades? (and I'm done)
You know how to end a party @gunr2171, well done...
:(
I don't know if that's a blessing or a curse
I wanted to post "You killed it" half a dozen times but it would have lessen this achievement
Follow-up on the question I wanted to ask : stackoverflow.com/questions/31678403/…. Two answers without much to back them. I feel like I should delete it =|
Both quote the very first lines of Semver... Meh.
shrug, "delete" to me is "oh god this is bad, make it go away", and I don't think you're at that level
19:19
that ^^
@Kyll Well, semver is what is backing both of them
Mh. Still, even if I put a bounty on that (and get more bullying) I'm not sure I'll ever get an answer or if it's any use to future readers
@KevinBrown Yeah, but I would have preferred an explanation from a specific rule of Semver than what is literally its broadest rule.
Now there isn't too many rules neither. Seems like somewhat of a grey area. Bordering pob, maybe
@KevinBrown Thanks for the effort on the answers!
eyeroll
39 days until I have a 1 year streak on Stack Overflow
@TylerH This isn't and can't be opinion based. It's the best practice.
Don't you understand?
19:27
@TylerH oh, I understand the "eyeroll" now
@KevinBrown good luck
@Kyll sarcastic?
@gunr2171 If that needs to be stated then yes, sarcastic.
@gunr2171 since he quoted bodacydo, I'd assume sarcastic
Also flagged the comment
19:29
just wanted to make sure, typing doesn't have the same range of emotions
@durron597 :) I just did my del votes from the 10k tools.
@KevinBrown good luck
oh, he just vandalized it
Rolled it back
is it too soon to *eyeroll* again
deleted by author
19:31
Just in time
drats, and I just found a good meta post
"Excellence in an intellectual craft simply cannot be attained by ignorantly copying what other people say that they do."
I am printing that and putting it above my bed
"Other people say that they wake early? Good."
@Kyll clearly you haven't been to reddit
I only read [badword]programming and programmers jokes
@Kyll If you want a laugh and a timesink, visit "shitty ask science"
At least he was thorough and edited the title as well
19:37
And the tag
wow I didn't even notice that
@JonClements Could you take care of that tag, please?
and / or a 10k flag that post
@TylerH It will take care of itself at 0300 UTC.
Even if the question is-- Ah okay so yes, the question can be flagged while deleted
(yes, it's deleted, but might warrant some attention)
19:38
@durron597 ah okay
I promise no moderator will be interested in doing anything about it.
didn't know unused tags self-cleaned themselves
Yep. At 0300 UTC all 0 post tags are deleted.
Somehow the CV's don't pile up on the question (OP didn't bother to run the code -> there is no problem), so let's try that again:
...He got a 403 and thought the signature is wrong?
19:45
Oh great, an event. I can close my 5 questions.
yup, though I'm down to 37 close votes
I get 200s all the time and call the web developers just to yell at them
won't get my full serving of review items, part of a healthy breakfast
I have a meeting at the start of the event but it should be a short one
you have better chances than I do
wait, a meeting at 4pm? don't you leave at 5?
19:47
I leave at 5:30PM
but it is just a 1-on-1
ah, ok. well good luck
they usually last 10-15 minutes
@durron597 I'd say yes. It's not necessarily a programming question (yes, programming can be used to solve the problem, but it's not about programming)
Sounds like a solid tool rec
Okay I voted to close as tool. Btw there should be 5+ questions in the queue.
19:54
I undergo my transformation to a sleeping human being. Night!
Night!
@Kyll Squirrel warrior to sleeping human. Wow.
lol, bye
@durron597 Squirrel Spearman actually. It's complicated. Vanishes like a ninja man squirrel
So does anyone else wait until the end of the day before going into the close vote queue? I was displeased to find that it toke away from my "regular" close votes
19:56
it just so happens that the close event starts now, but usually I start anytime between now and a few hours ago
@NathanOliver I do, because these days I've had less than 10 to queue with.
Today I'm out.
@Closey refresh tags
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@rene Tag data has been refreshed.
101
Q: We need more close votes!

Alexis KingI run out of close votes a lot. In fact, in almost any given day in which I actively participate, I use up all of my close votes! And I am really, in the grand scheme of things, not a very active user on this site. Here is a graph of the number of unclosed questions with close votes per month: ...

> That said, very few people hit the cap regularly - in the past 90 days, only 160 voters have hit the cap even once, and only one person on Stack Overflow has used 100% of their close votes every. single. day. Lookin' at you, bluet.
20:00
@NathanOliver that has this comment from me
@closey start event
@rene my sentiments exactly.
7,755 need review
1,591 reviews today
2,721,667 reviews all-time
The tags to work on are: , , .
Are we also working on what is on the starboard?
i'm working on source-code first
@rene Can you unstar
20:02
done
Yes to source-code, beautifier is just editing / burning now
You should probably do and
But they're probably done too
@Closey starting
@rene Watch out for audits!
20:03
@Closey starting
@gunr2171 Happy reviewing!
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[source-code]"
2 items
So how do these close events work? Just burn through the review queue through the specific tags?
exactly
20:04
@Closey add user 4342498
@gunr2171 Ok, I added NathanOliver (4342498) to the tracked users list.
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[scraper] [guidelines]"
looks like I'm done with the starboard
same, asp.net pob time!
20:06
passed c++ audit
@NathanOliver if you paste in the text you see when you complete a tag to chat here, the bot will record it
@Closey completed tags
@gunr2171 Showing the latest 10 tags that have been cleared by at least 3 people. To give a different threshold number, use the command completed tags [min <#>].
 | Tag Name       | Count | Latest Time Cleared     |
 |--------------------------------------------------|
 | scraper        | 4     | 2015-07-28 20:05:19 UTC |
 | source-code    | 5     | 2015-07-28 20:03:37 UTC |
 | .net           | 4     | 2015-07-27 19:10:54 UTC |
 | code-formatter | 3     | 2015-07-27 18:32:58 UTC |
 | beautifier     | 3     | 2015-07-27 18:32:58 UTC |
 | open-source    | 12    | 2015-07-17 21:26:15 UTC |
 | database       | 5     | 2015-07-17 15:51:54 UTC |
 | gnu            | 5     | 2015-06-24 19:14:13 UTC |
passed python audit
@NathanOliver did you already told @Closey you were starting
@gunr2171 OK
@NathanOliver we focus on medium sized tags / burnination targets to make sure we are reviewing the same questions to get questions to actually be closed.
@rene No I did not. is that @Closey starting?
yes
@Closey commands
20:08
Below is a list of commands for the Close Vote Chat Bot

Everyone
    alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
    commands - Shows this list.
    help - Prints info about this software.
    running commands - Displays a list of all commands that the chat bot is currently running.
    status - Tests if the chatbot is alive and shows simple info about it.

Registered
    audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
    completed tags [min <#>] - Shows the latest tags that have been completed by multiple people.
@Closey starting
@NathanOliver Watch out for audits!
@durron597 that wold be asp.net, twitter-bootstrap, database today right?
@NathanOliver After , it's:
9 mins ago, by Closey
The tags to work on are: , , .
@NathanOliver Either those or the two pinned to the starboard (, )
20:11
we try to do the "burnination requests" first (scraper, source-code, other starboard items), closey then tells us the tags in the close vote queue that have the most items, so that's the second set to work on
passed python audit
> I did my homework prior to asking this questions. Though, none of the results that google showed functioned .
yeah, I'm sure you did...
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [source-code]"
(and so you can test that it worked, you can run "my completed tags")
@Closey my completed tags
20:14
@NathanOliver Showing all tags cleared by you that I have on record:
 | Tag Name    | Times Cleared | Last Cleared            |
 |-------------------------------------------------------|
 | source-code | 1             | 2015-07-28 20:13:50 UTC |
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "primarily opinion-based; [asp.net]"
passed asp.net audit
passed c# audit
passed java audit
passed c++ audit
20:23
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
@Closey last session stats
@rene Your last completed review session ended 10 seconds ago and lasted 19 minutes and 44 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 29 seconds.
Ok, I was distracted a bit
Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
20:25
@NathanOliver Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
@Closey last session stats
@NathanOliver Your last completed review session ended 13 seconds ago and lasted 16 minutes and 21 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 24 seconds.
Alright guys I'm out for the night. I'll be back tomorrow
bye, thanks for helping out!
> You have no more close votes today; come back in 3 hours.
@gunr2171 The review session has been marked as completed. To set the number of items you reviewed use the command last session edit count <new count>
20:26
@Closey last session edit count 39
Review item count has been changed:
User: gunr2171 (1043380)
Start Time: 2015-07-28 20:03:31 UTC
End Time: 2015-07-28 20:26:35 UTC
Items Reviewed: [Not Set] -> 39
Use the command 'last session stats' to see more details.
@Closey last session stats
@gunr2171 Your last completed review session ended 15 seconds ago and lasted 23 minutes and 4 seconds. You reviewed 39 items, averaging a review every 35 seconds.
20:43
status
@mpromonet um, good?
7
Q: How to ask "how to understand some code" questions

MichaelTOften we find questions along the lines of Help me understand this C program #include<stdio.h> main() { printf("Hello World"); } Well, that one may be a bit simplified - but its not an uncommon form for a question that is asked here. How should one prepare and ask a "what does this c...

@gunr2171 Hi Sorry I try to understand how it works. It seems the bot commands works somewhere else.
@Closey commands
Below is a list of commands for the Close Vote Chat Bot

Everyone
    alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
    commands - Shows this list.
    help - Prints info about this software.
    running commands - Displays a list of all commands that the chat bot is currently running.
    status - Tests if the chatbot is alive and shows simple info about it.

Registered
    audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
    completed tags [min <#>] - Shows the latest tags that have been completed by multiple people.
20:46
@durron597 good post, but what about it?
@gunr2171 I thought you might want to add that to your repertoire, next to "Where to Start"
oh, good idea
Anyone around have CVs left?
a few
nope :(
20:48
1
Q: Java source code obfuscation, anonomyzing your code

JamThe problem: You really don't want recipient of your jar file to use utility like jad to disassemble your source and make sense of it. Are there any libraries that you know of that would successfully obfuscate your source code making it at the very least very hard for others to understand? Code ...

@rene (I don't have any, obv)
done
Ok, that was not so wise...I ran a script against the SE network...I might be IP banned....
@KevinBrown Okay once and for all, what is the proper close reason for questions that are essentially tool requests, but the user isn't actually asking for one?
He's not saying "Can someone recommend a decompilation tool", he's saying "How do I do this task", of which the answer is a tool.
I mean, maybe it shouldn't be closed
@Closey help
@mpromonet I feel... happy!
SOCVR ChatBot version 1.0.0.0, running for 5 hours, 27 minutes and 47 seconds.
This is a chat bot for the SO Close Vote Reviewers chat room, developed by gunr2171 and the other members of the SO Close Vote Reviewers chat room. For more information see the github page. Reply with commands to see a list of commands.
I'm out for today, bye
20:59
@Closey next 5 tags
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@TylerH The next 5 tags are: 124, 82, 74, 71, 69
@Closey starting
@TylerH Watch out for audits!
@TylerH Don't forget =D
@durron597 Ok, I will the
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[source-code]"
You lead me on
21:02
@durron597 I thought the general consensus was that those types are questions are okay, as long as they aren't causing trouble
but I like it
@KevinBrown if they are old, yes
if they are new, no
aka "let sleeping dogs lie"
@TylerH Can you find any Meta SE/SO posts about it?
@KevinBrown I won't look right now but I know it was Shog who mentioned it
Specifically the bit about "if they aren't causing trouble, let them be"
Passed Python audit
77
Q: What exactly is a recommendation question?

user151841What exactly is a 'recommendation' question? I understand and agree with avoiding questions on SO that garner answers which are basically opinions or preferences, such as "I like X" or "We use Y and it met our needs". These questions just lead to discussion and not answers. However, I recently ...

Is the one linked by the close reason
oh, I was speaking more generally about questions
not specifically recommendation related ones
like questions that would be off-topic now but weren't when they were asked
21:12
Oh, gotcha
Which among other things means, when it's brought up as a strawman against closing $question, it will be handled.
Ha, finally got Marshal
@Deduplicator darn you, I'm still ~60 flags away
Marshal was what, 500 flags?
Passed iOS audit
@KevinBrown yep
was
oh great and powerful 1K flagger
@KevinBrown How many of those are comment "too chatty" flags?
21:23
@durron597 Under 50
I didn't start flagging comments until about a month ago
@KevinBrown What would you say is the most common type of flag?
@durron597 NAA is my most common
@KevinBrown Wow
@SmokeDetector false positive
@TylerH Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
21:33
Obviously.
ba ba black sheep
hi
Impressive. The honk-boom effect on Meta works reliably...
@honk Well, I'd call that the "meta effect" not the "honk-boom meta effect" ;)
Just posted a synonym-request for two tags I stumbled over:
0
Q: Identical versions [semver] and [semantic-versioning]

Deduplicatorsemver is short for semantic-versioning, both being used for semantic versioning following the spec at http://semver.org. Normally, I would simply re-tag the 23 question in the first to the latter (57), but in this case I think a synonym from the shorter (the abbreviation used for the domain nam...

@durron597 oh, come on ;)
21:43
I can't seem to get even one person to cv this
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 2 hours to continue reviewing.
@TylerH Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
@durron597 Well, it's a bit late. Only 3 up/down-votes left, nothing else.
@Deduplicator I hear you
I'm trying to tackle closed questions now because the open ones are like pulling teeth to get CVs.
@durron597 That's gone
Let me guess, the answer was "maybe"?
Need to get some sleep. Bye!
@honk goodnight
@honk sleep well
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