« first day (602 days earlier)      last day (3438 days later) » 

00:26
@Closey next 5 tags
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@TylerH The next 5 tags are: 117, 96, 91, 91, 82
@Closey starting
@TylerH By the power of the Vote! Review!
Passed iOS audit
Passed Java audit
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[source-code]"
Passed C++ audit
Passed HTML audit
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 23 hours to continue reviewing.
@TylerH Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
1 hour later…
02:03
Anyone wanna close some [questions asking for tutorials]?
 
2 hours later…
04:13
@Pang I've used up my 11 remaining CVs on those
 
10 hours later…
14:03
thanks durron
@TylerH yw
reviewed late last night which counted as "tomorrow" in GMT, so I'm out of CVs for another 9 hours :-/
14:27
@durron597 boomed half of those
@gunr2171 ty
don't want to do too many now, need my close votes for reviewing
Those are ones I hit three days ago and for some reason haven't been closed yet.
oh, yeah! +2 rep ... every little improvement matters
> I don't expect this to be approved, necessarily; I just wanted to fix the typo of "sited" -> "cited".
cocks head
14:36
Honesty is the best policy
true
it was such a minor thing but I didn't want to leave a comment about it
see, if you did that edit on the English site, they would reject it because of the misused semicolon
:P
it's not misused
I think it should be a comma instead
14:39
semicolons are used to separate two related but independent statements
The game is still going on; it is a close one.
(for example)
meh, either way
I get so aggravated when I see a question with major, glaring errors and it's been edited by a high rep user that only fixes one minor one
I had one of those yesterday
(the GREP one from yesterday)
@gunr2171 Of course, there's some irony in this one: stackoverflow.com/posts/6335610/revisions
All these burnination efforts, I'm only 35 posts away from copy editor. Woohoo
Maybe I'll get it today
nice
I'm two questions away from the Taxonomist badge
and 8 upvotes away from my first silver badge, in
@durron597 wat; you removed the php tag and added it?
14:50
@TylerH It just got reordered. It does that
15:35
If I vote to close a question, will this also move it into the close vote review queue?
stackoverflow.com/q/31451742/3478852: Typo. Wrong type used according to comments.
@NisseEngström yes
any time a cv flag or cv vote is given to a post it will be moved into the queue if it is not already
and I think regardless if it was previously in the queue
@gunr2171: I suspected as much. Thanks.
no problem
also I voted on your link
too bad the upvoted answer has no explanation
15:53
@gunr2171: Indeed. Downvoted.
the problem is that the question answered a different question. the OP forgot the set keyword, but was added later. that's what the answer addressed.
Parkinson's law of triviality, also known as bikeshedding, bike-shed effect, or the bicycle-shed example, is C. Northcote Parkinson's 1957 argument that organisations give disproportionate weight to trivial issues. Parkinson observed and illustrated that a committee whose job was to approve plans for a nuclear power plant spent the majority of its time with pointless discussions on relatively trivial and unimportant but easy-to-grasp issues, such as what materials to use for the staff bike-shed, while neglecting the less-trivial proposed design of the nuclear power plant itself, which is far more...
Be aware, your edit invalidated a few answers. In the future, please avoid making these sort of changes to your questions. — gunr2171 9 secs ago
I'm tempted to rollback, but I'll leave the post alone for now
 
2 hours later…
Sam
Sam
17:51
(I aim to join today's event.)
\o/
Let's hope your aim is good :-P
Sam
Sam
:p
@Closey status
SOCVR ChatBot version 1.0.0.0, running for 6 days, 44 minutes and 18 seconds.
Sam
Sam
17:58
That's probably the longest run I've seen.
probably
and we can test newer code today
"test"
aka "run on production and see what breaks"
:-P
"try out and pray SO doesn't block me"
Sam
Sam
Lol.
I should stop antagonizing, seeing as I can't do any reviewing today
Okay, one more bit of antagonism
@durron597 Because 5 people haven't voted to close it yet
*ducks*
If it is still open around 7/8PM EST I can close it when my new batch of CVs comes in
Sam
Sam
@durron597 It's not. ;D
That guy's profile is VLQ
only links, no code included
:)
^^ As an example: stackoverflow.com/questions/31460784/… Encourage other people to use their tools.
18:22
oh god
I hope he doesn't include that tagline in each comment
It has only two more links than yours does @TylerH :P
@Sam oh. It's still open because I must've been out of CVs when I saw it yesterday
@JayBlanchard hey, do as I say, not as I do! I'm still learning to adult
i was like "what random tab is this?"
LOL
I am only using that tag line in comments where I VTC. It's an experiment.
I'm still learning to adult too @TylerH
But why do you hope that I don't use it @TylerH? Curious.
18:25
@JayBlanchard Well there's no support for hashtags on Stack Overflow, for one
If I removed the hash from the quote that would be better?
So it is not a useful thing unless you are hoping it spills over into social media
I think the hashtag should just encourage other SO users, to spread the message behind the tag, which would be to use your tools if you have them.
Fair ennough.
I am hoping for spillage.
I think the first italicized sentence is plenty, personally
18:27
I'll try that for a while.
A major problem being that you can't edit comments after 5 minutes
After the question is closed, and until an improvement is made, the italicized contents are useless/obsolete. But I don't want to flag as obsolete while the majority of the comment is still relevant
also I seem to recall (perhaps erroneously; memory is funny like that) the feeling on meta is that it's not the best thing to proselytize closing in such a manner
not that people listen to meta...
@durron597 yay, a chance to use a flag that doesn't convert to a CV!
The problem I have with the lack of proselytizing is that we are not taking measures to encourage folks to use their close votes in a place that counts. If we are DV'ing and VTC a question when others are viewing that question they should know a.) the reason and 2.) it's OK to use their voting power. Part of the problem with VLQ's is that there are some members who are not using their votes. I would venture to say that the number not using their votes is very large!
I have seen some new names pop up in the "this question is closed" box, that is encouraging to me.
18:44
@JayBlanchard A huge percentage of users wants imaginary unicorn points and doesn't care about moderation at all because you don't get unicorn points for it.
I know @durron597 and it makes the kittehs cry.
There's also a not insignificant percentage of people who care about moderation but not about getting rep to get more powers. For example, how many people in this room do you think have 20k rep?
(don't check)
I'm just hoping for another tool in stemming the tide of VLQ's
And I don't want to be ugly about it, like some of our posters.
@durron597 If only these people who wants IIP (imaginary internet points) would know, that they just simply could use the console and give themselves as many points as they want :) (They just can't reload the page anymore)
cough cough your common sense cough
18:48
^ clears throat
68
Q: Empowering tag-badge holders part II - let's look at silver?

Tim PostNot long ago, we gave folks that have a gold tag badge the ability to instantly mark a question as a duplicate of another. This has worked out exceptionally well in practice. While there have been some disputed closings, the process is completely transparent and community oversight has worked jus...

Is there today anything left in for the CVQ?
Silver would be nice @durron597 but a large batch of the VLQQ's I have seen lately are way too generic for dupehammer.
@rene Well this and this must not have shown up in your queue
OK, I will call it out when the event start in an hour
18:54
@durron597 I have to say, that I'm personally not a fan to lower it down to the silver badge. I think the gold badge is good, because until you get one of those you need to spend at least some time on SO and gain some experience how SO flows and know what's going on. So I think the gold badge is good to make sure you gained enough experience on SO to know what to do with your privileges.
I have a bunch more than don't seem to have made it into people's queue:
1 2 3
Hm, the other three I was about to post someone burned the tag, I guess they're fine.
@Rizier123 That post isn't only about giving dupehammer to silver tag holders
It's about "many different ideas for new powers for silver, and we haven't decided what yet"
^ I like the idea of silver.
@JayBlanchard @Rizier123 Have you joined the source code burnination brigade?
Was just reading it.
We could especially use more delete votes
19:03
@JayBlanchard I think better education via "the system" is ideal here, not comments from individual users. That is admittedly a bit of a pipe dream, though
@durron597 No, haven't joined yet. I think my problem will be, that I run out of votes only from watching the PHP tag every day. So there will be almost no votes left to handle/read the questions in this tag and put my vote on it.
@Rizier123 You use all your delete votes? wow
^ I have stood on that exact same soapbox for a long time, including saying the same to our young friend @Rizier123
I guess it's easier to use them when you pass 20k.
@durron597 No, not delete votes. My 50 CV.
19:06
Well, if either of you have leftover ones you want to spend on the source code desperate accept questions, we would appreciate it
if a sub 2k user flags for CV and it enters the close queue, it still needs five CVs total in addition to that initial flag, right?
@TylerH yep
In that case I don't see why our flags to close should auto convert to CVs as 3k+ users
I really hate that I can't flag questions for closure after I've used up 50 CVs
3k users can't flag to close
@gunr2171 right, at all
I mean, after my CVs are gone, I want to be able to still flag stuff to send it to the queue
even if it doesn't count as a vote
19:08
oh yes, I agree
^ I have done some @durron597
@JayBlanchard, do you know/use this. If you are writing the same comments over and over this really helps
@JayBlanchard thanks!
^ neat @gunr2171 - thanks!
9
Q: I'm out of close votes. Can I use my flags?

KatieKI'm out of close votes again today. But I still have 100 flags. How do the mods feel about me flagging questions for closure, even though I would be able to VtC myself, if I weren't already out of votes? Related: How do the mods feel about me flagging a question for closure (a super obvious code...

19:15
no problem
19:35
@durron597 not quite the same thing
@TylerH Yeah, I'm struggling to find it.
We've also found this:
14
Q: Reviewing a flagged question should allow me to flag Exact Duplicates even when I'm out of close votes

George StockerAs we know, it's By-Design that flags for closing as exact duplicates are converted to close votes when the person has the power to close. All is as it should be. Problem However, when that person runs out of close votes, they can no longer flag exact duplicates (that option is taken away). I ...

And I posted this:
9
Q: Allow marking questions as duplicate even when out of close votes

durron597Now that we have a great UI for allowing people to close their own questions as duplicates, I think we should be able to offer that UI to people even if we are out of close votes. Proposal: if out of close votes, if you click close, allow the user to choose the "duplicate" close reason. This wil...

oh wow
"unregistered", figures
ha that question already has a deleted spam answer
what's the rep requirement for protecting?
@gunr2171 15k. I'm not quite there
19:41
: (
@gunr2171 guess how many deleted answer this has: stackoverflow.com/questions/179123/…
hum...28 visible answers. I'll guess 19
heh, why is an unsorted array faster than a sorted array has even more deleted answers
nope, more
19:45
.....
40
i know, right?!?
it's got 36 deleted answers. sorted/unsorted has 39 deleted.
still more? ah, ok
that's too many
@TylerH 2700 linked questions whoa
This is one of the deleted answers to sorted/unsorted array:
> Thanks for contributing an answer to Stack Overflow!

Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research! But avoid …

Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers. Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience. To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
19:47
@durron597 lol
@KevinBrown yep, it is a common question
> because the sorted array compiled very efficiently
yikes, this guy is not shy about throwing credit around
> i don't unstand what the answer mean
@TylerH links boom
@TylerH only 15
@Closey stop bot
@gunr2171 I'm shutting down...
Goodbye!
19:50
@durron597 Usertagging doesn't work in posts
00fef52fa55b3d5231ec16d56a671f12982171ae
Also I'm rolling back because those provide additional useful info
I don't know if the effect is really even visible in the code provided
his site has like three thousand lines of CSS in the style tags
shudders
@TylerH You shouldn't be linking to external sites, no? Maybe and have different cultures.
@gunr2171 is that the API key?
git commit id
19:53
ah
but the bot is taking a really long time to boot up
@durron597 There's nothing wrong with providing links to external sites. The question should have enough code in the question to fully reproduce the issue, though.
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux branch test!)
If it's not jsfiddle or ideone you really shouldn't link, it was my understanding.
Are we going to test run automatic features?
19:54
yup
Cool
in SOCVR Testing Facility, 5 mins ago, by Sam
Eh, dinner took longer than expected to cook. I might be a little late for the event.
I (and one other user) was waiting on the OP to add an MCVE
since HTML (at least) was missing
@durron597 I've noticed you've started reviewing. I'll make a new session for you. Good luck!
An error happened in User Watcher Manager
0: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
----
at SOCVRDotNet.UserWatcher.MonitorReviews (DateTime startTime) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
and so start the errors...
19:56
Seem to be plenty of in the queue
great
You really should create instances of those classes first
inb4 that uber link is posted
@durron597 were you the one who upvoted the answer by Lansana?
@Closey start event
20:00
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
8,701 need review
1,788 reviews today
2,700,203 reviews all-time
@TylerH In which question?
The tags to work on are: , , .
@gunr2171 I've noticed you've started reviewing. I'll make a new session for you. Good luck! Note: You had 200 open sessions. I have closed them.
We are on as well
There were only about 25 in my queue
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing. I'll make a new session for you. Good luck!
rene passed a audit!
20:02
@durron597 nevermind, wrong question
@Closey gee @gunr2171 close a session once in a while, why doncha?
bug.....
I really don't like Postgres compared to ms sql
oh, VS 2015 will be RTM on Monday, for anyone who hasn't seen
:D :D :D
that's awesome!
there will be a whole morning presentation about it
starting 8:30 PDT
in The SO Tavern (Free Snacks), 28 secs ago, by Closey
[ EditMonitor ] Recovered from HTTPError during API request: 503 Server Error: Service Unavailable
so, at some point the server is getting blocked
20:05
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing. I'll make a new session for you. Good luck!
gunr2171 passed a audit!
wat
uh, c++, not c--
lol
You have discovered an ancient language, long-since forgotten
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [source-code]"
rene passed a audit!
20:08
a c-- audit??
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
I think that language was B
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing. I'll make a new session for you. Good luck!
> You have no more close votes today; come back in 3 hours.
@durron597 You don't need to post this message anymore! When you finish reviewing I should notice it and record the end of the record.
@durron597 The review session has been marked as completed. To set the number of items you reviewed use the command last session edit count <new count>
20:09
@Closey That probably shouldn't have stopped the session?
How does it know whether I've run out of CVs anymore?
we need to work on the timing Kevin
@durron597 magic and guessing, we can ask @Sam when he returns
FWIW I added more to the queue once I cleared it myself, feel free to check back in a few minutes
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
Can you guys count how many connections it has made for the last minute or 90 secs @gunr2171 @Sam
20:10
@rene I added at least one source code to the queue
I'm out of reviews already
done
@Closey last session edit count 35
Review item count has been changed:
User: durron597 (1768232)
Start Time: 2015-07-16 19:55:08 UTC
End Time: 2015-07-16 20:00:19 UTC
Items Reviewed: [Not Set] -> 35
Use the command 'last session stats' to see more details.
@Closey last session stats
@rene Your last completed review session ended 3 minutes and 7 seconds ago and lasted -14 seconds. You reviewed 2 items, averaging a review every -7 seconds.
20:11
@Closey A new record!
Ha, that is a winner!
wat...
@rene Can I borrow your time machine?
yeah, tonight I'm starting to write up a version 2 spec
It is under an NDA at the moment...
20:12
@gunr2171 It looks like you've finished reviewing . Is that right?
@Closey yes
@gunr2171 Ok, I've marked it as a completed tag.
@rene I just want to borrow it, I don't need to know how it works
@gunr2171 well that worked correctly
@gunr2171 it didn't ask me
20:14
: (
Or is that because I posted a message?
@gunr2171 Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
that process should not care about a posted message
@Closey last session stats
@gunr2171 Your last completed review session ended 29 seconds ago and lasted 14 minutes and 28 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 21 seconds.
ok, so everything (except for the audit and the "starting") worked fine for me
and mostly broke for everyone else
I call that a good day
Sam
Sam
20:15
... and back.
welcome back
Sam
Sam
@gunr2171 Bug with CE.Net.
WUT? We run code here in production that has bugs!
Sam
Sam
Welcome to the real world.
well, at least it's a different database than prod
not that it matters too much
Sam
Sam
20:17
@Closey rofl
@Closey Line numbers would be useful.
If you can tell me how to do that, I will
compiling with "debug" instead of "release" still doesn't give line numbers
Sam
Sam
Because you don't have the pdb file for the package.
xbuild must not do that (searching linux file system)
Sam
Sam
One of us (probably me) will have to run it locally to get anything useful.
if you are, you are going to want to set up a database
Sam
Sam
20:21
So besides the tag formatting and start time bug, did everything else work fine?
@gunr2171 I tend to just comment out all db related code.
the switching of tags worked for me, not for rene but I think that's because his session kept stopping and starting
^ gone before I could do anything
ugh, this is why Stack Overflow exists: mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/…
Sam
Sam
@gunr2171 I guess increasing the timeout property would fix that.
I think the only person who actually clicked on this to close it is @rene: stackoverflow.com/questions/8556264/…
20:30
sure
@Closey stop bot
@gunr2171 I'm shutting down...
Goodbye!
might have fixed the line numbers issue
trying it out
however, I need some way of causing an exception...
Sam
Sam
I'll start reviewing :p
well give it a few minutes
it took ~5 minutes to boot up last time
Sam
Sam
20:32
Alright, let me know when to start.
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux branch test!)
and you're good
only 2 minutes that time
Sam
Sam
Ok.
Man, my network's slowed down.
An error happened in User Watcher Manager
0: The given key was not present in the dictionary.
----
at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowKeyNotFoundException () [0x00000] in /build/mono/src/mono-4.0.1/external/referencesource/mscorlib/system/throwhelper.cs:70
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[System.String,System.Object].get_Item (System.String key) [0x00021] in /build/mono/src/mono-4.0.1/external/referencesource/mscorlib/system/collections/generic/dictionary.cs:176
at SOCVRDotNet.GlobalDashboardWatcher.HandleMessage (System.String message) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
An error happened in User Watcher Manager
0: The header part of a frame cannot be read from the data source.
----
at WebSocketSharp.WebSocketFrame+<>c__DisplayClass7.<ReadAsync>b__6 (System.Byte[] header) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at WebSocketSharp.Ext+<>c__DisplayClass6.<ReadBytesAsync>b__5 (IAsyncResult ar) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
crap
20:37
An error happened in User Watcher Manager
Sam
Sam
So that only gave us line numbers from the framework.
0: The given key was not present in the dictionary.
----
at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowKeyNotFoundException () [0x00000] in /build/mono/src/mono-4.0.1/external/referencesource/mscorlib/system/throwhelper.cs:70
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[System.String,System.Object].get_Item (System.String key) [0x00021] in /build/mono/src/mono-4.0.1/external/referencesource/mscorlib/system/collections/generic/dictionary.cs:176
at SOCVRDotNet.GlobalDashboardWatcher.HandleMessage (System.String message) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
An error happened in User Watcher Manager
0: The given key was not present in the dictionary.
----
at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowKeyNotFoundException () [0x00000] in /build/mono/src/mono-4.0.1/external/referencesource/mscorlib/system/throwhelper.cs:70
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[System.String,System.Object].get_Item (System.String key) [0x00021] in /build/mono/src/mono-4.0.1/external/referencesource/mscorlib/system/collections/generic/dictionary.cs:176
at SOCVRDotNet.GlobalDashboardWatcher.HandleMessage (System.String message) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
An error happened in User Watcher Manager
0: The given key was not present in the dictionary.
----
at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowKeyNotFoundException () [0x00000] in /build/mono/src/mono-4.0.1/external/referencesource/mscorlib/system/throwhelper.cs:70
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[System.String,System.Object].get_Item (System.String key) [0x00021] in /build/mono/src/mono-4.0.1/external/referencesource/mscorlib/system/collections/generic/dictionary.cs:176
at SOCVRDotNet.GlobalDashboardWatcher.HandleMessage (System.String message) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
oh, your nuget packages don't have pdb files with them
/ i'm not sure what's going on
@Closey stop bot
Sam
Sam
Join the club.
0: The given key was not present in the dictionary.
----
at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowKeyNotFoundException () [0x00000] in /build/mono/src/mono-4.0.1/external/referencesource/mscorlib/system/throwhelper.cs:70
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[System.String,System.Object].get_Item (System.String key) [0x00021] in /build/mono/src/mono-4.0.1/external/referencesource/mscorlib/system/collections/generic/dictionary.cs:176
at SOCVRDotNet.GlobalDashboardWatcher.HandleMessage (System.String message) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
Sam
Sam
20:39
@gunr2171 Yeah.
not taking stop order. KILL KILL KILL
well, ok, sure. everything blew up.
and on that bombshell, I have to leave for today
Sam
Sam
Heh. Cya.
I'll start up master branch
bye
Sam
Sam
I'll continue debugging.
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux!)
20:53
Did Closey overheat?
Sam
Sam
He had too much coffee.
Only a little bit
Hmmm, my grammar was so bad someone really wanted to fix a lot...
@rene "wanted?" Did you stop him? Did it hurt him?
No, the edit is OK
I'm just wondering how bad all my other posts are ...
@rene If you get doubts, then look into the VLQ queue. That should fix your mental state ;)
21:02
I'm not the worst
Feel much better now
@rene By far!
@rene :))
I hate meta. Now Shog9 made an edit to the question and left a comment under my answer. I still feel my answer is OK ...
@rene Mind to share the link?
here it is
@rene I wasn't criticizing your answer, I was just giving you a heads-up that I'd altered the question so you weren't blindsided by it.
21:16
@Shog9 OK, tnx I'm still thinking about the non-canonical case and I'll update that part seeing your edit.
@rene See? Everything is fine. Just keep calm. Meta loves you, too ;)
@honk and update
@durron597 that one has 13.1K....
@rene hyuk
just by asking questions now and then and answer now and then in a popular webframework for almost 4 years
21:27
@rene I think it looked good and now even looks better...
Ok, have to get some sleep. Cya!
cya and tnx
21:54
I'm out as well, need sleep
 
1 hour later…
user4639281
23:24
Can I solicit reopen votes here?

« first day (602 days earlier)      last day (3438 days later) »