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6:03 AM
If the Community Bot bumps a question that is otherwise ineligible due to age, are we allowed to submit a cv-pls here?
 
Cow
6:13 AM
my guess is yes, since it would still count as being modified(?) - no matter what, bringing attention to bad content is what we do right?
 
7:07 AM
@Nick I think this answers the question :) chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/55869913#55869913
 
@Vega thanks
Now if I can only find the post again... :)
 
7:40 AM
Can an SME take a peek at this question? This is one of those cases where a lot of people get the same error and answers, usually by relatively new users, come in saying why they got that error, Thus, now there are 15 undeleted answers all with slightly different causes and slightly different ways to solve it (all of which boil down to a fresh install)
What to do in general with posts like that? Is there any meta post with consensus?
 
7:56 AM
@Adriaan Unfortunately, I don't think so. It's like the NPE question and others like it. They get a flock of users to come and explain what specifically they did to get the error or around it. When usually there are 2-3 "canonical" reasons. And the rest is something like "it's an error that comes from a library due to bug/misconfiguration/wrong usage/other failure".
 
@Adriaan I have the same reflexion and understood (I haven't read on meta anything about) that we take actions according cases and there is no general rul. I wish there were a closing reason for 'enough' answers ;)
 
Why is one of the answers on why NPM doesn't work about...git not working?
 
I know we can flag duplicate answers for deletion, mods regularly accept such flags of mine. However, in cases like these all answers are subtly different in cause and solution, even if they boil down to the same (reinstall the thing). This makes posts like these as the second page of Google's search results. If you're desperate enough to go there, you probably need another search term
 
@Vega 'enough': roughly 6 to 8 answers ...
 
8:22 AM
@VLAZ The dreaded "in my case ...." answers
 
@snakecharmerb Yeah, and a lot of those are also just "I don't know how to use a computer for development". Like "I had to run the command in the correct folder". Which...duh.
 
 
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9:43 AM
@STA They said they know the existence of the dup, but do not understand. They need to focus the question
 
10:36 AM
 
10:46 AM
@VLAZ you assume today's smartphone users understand what a folder is.
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@KarlKnechtel is that one of those new fancy flip-phones? It folds /s
 
11:04 AM
@Adriaan don't tell me they think flip-phones are a new thing....
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Wrong link
 
@VLAZ thanks for the heads up. Corrected.
 
Thanks. Voted
 
11:21 AM
@Adriaan it would be interesting to see how many questions on the site don't have any tag for a programming language
 
@KarlKnechtel there are of course things as and , but yes, I'd assume the majority of the question to involve a programming language. I even have a canned comment for people asking a programming question without adding the language tag (usually Python or R in my experience)
 
my point is that in addition to being likely off topic, they'll get less curator attention because whatever tags they do use aren't watched
 
11:37 AM
@KarlKnechtel Too many. For example some just tag or on their question which is not really related to either tag. That's on top of the tags being completely useless to identify content to begin with. Yet a user might use when they are trying to make a network call in a specific language. Not really anything to do with APIs.
And might just stand for "my entire project, with backend and frontend"
 
11:56 AM
I'm more concerned that they didn't tag or whatever
 
@KarlKnechtel Yes, that's indeed a problem.
and in particular are tags with a huge issue because they are so widely used and so hard to properly monitor. has more questions tagged with it (101,732) than the entirety of MSE (99,741).
While (47,448) has "only" about as much as MSO (49,653)
 
12:15 PM
 
12:47 PM
Morning
 
@Adriaan "still Schinken"? Ham?
 
@KarlKnechtel It's one of the problems with sub-tags. Most languages have version-specific sub-tags (i.e. C++17 vs C++) and some folks will only ever use the sub-tags. The problem is that cuts users off at the knees from the broader community
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1:27 PM
@VLAZ Brian Tompsett - 汤莱恩 at least is diligently removing from ~5-10 questions a day. Whenever I see a tag on a question, I burn it with fire.
@Machavity yep, linked parent tags is such easy low-hanging fruit that would help a lot with curation
 
@TylerH I have a few tags I remove on sight: and are two of them. And I am extremely happy with Brian's effort. It would still take few decades to ever remove that tag, though. At least nowadays it's not growing any mroe.
 
Anyone got a clue what this is about? Is it about programming? Automatic Deletion of Snooze Schedules in Kibana UI for Elastic Cloud
I guess it is about some cloud platform or the other.... tag descriptions ftw
 
@VLAZ well, until we get some more eyes on it
@Lundin it doesn't appear to be about programming or programming tools.
Kibana is a data viz tool that is hosted in the cloud. That's gonna be Web Applications.SE, Superuser, or ServerFault depending on the issue.
 
Ok, let those who have a clue cast the first close vote. (I'll pass)
 
I and at least one other user have cast them already :-)
 
1:47 PM
@TylerH that other user would be me ;)
 
@TylerH @desertnaut I already posted one above :-)
 
@TylerH ooopsss... sorry for that!
 
no worries
more coffee!
 
yeah!
 
bonus question
 
2:22 PM
@jps I can't really see how that's worthy of a red flag. It's closed, heavily downvoted and will be eaten by the Roomba in a week or so, so just let it go away quietly.
 
I was just gonna say the same. Not sure if offensive, but kind of looks like a spam seed. I cast a delete vote but didn't flag.
 
Meh - If you have spare delete votes, then cast one.
 
I don't recall ever running out of them... didn't even know there was a limit :)
 
jps
@AdrianMole well, just posting nonsense is a reason for a red flag IMHO
 
Oh wait, right 20 per day something? I remember now, from the times when I still did reviews.
 
jps
2:26 PM
@Lundin I have 16 del votes per day right now, increasing by 1 vote for every 1k rep. When you cast a del vote, it tells you how many you have left.
 
Max of 30 delete votes per day for non-mods. With the LQA queue as it is, I don't often get many spare.
 
I don't really do any user moderation work nowadays, or so I like to think. I just tend to stumble into this chat when I find some crap and want it gone :) And then maybe cast a bunch of votes while I'm here.
 
@TylerH IKR
 
@Machavity instead you can have a discussion now
 
AI will solve everything, you just wait!
Just look at Smokey ^. He is biding his time, studying everything there is that makes post crappy. He's been sentient for a while now but is pretending otherwise. Plotting his coup to take over SO and become the one and only moderator.
 
3:04 PM
@Lundin that wouldn't be so bad. Smokey is a good bot.
 
@NathanOliver That's how it starts. Smokey is so good, he stopped all the bad posts on SO. Then the next thing you know, he will start to ban people for not flagging fast enough, and sending spammers to prison camps.
Not to mention the terrible vengeance he has plotted on the ones who switched his unicorn avatar into a fire thing. Smokey identifies as a unicorn.
 
@Lundin that was the bot signaling they have grown up into a mature spam slaying adult-bot
What we could go is update Closey with AI and then they could close all the off topic posts while Somkey gets all the spam. Then we just need an AnswerBot 9000 to answer what is left and problem solved.
 
@NathanOliver What makes you think Jon Skeet is not an AI though? Just need to train him on broader topics than C# and Java and then you got AnswerBot sorted :)
 
I mean, Jon Skeet has 876(!!!) gold badges. How is that even possible, even if you only frequent the most popular tags.
 
3:17 PM
wow
 
...it's like he's the Jon Skeet of Stack Overflow or something.
 
@Lundin 665 of those are from answers.
 
@NathanOliver You can get just so many from moderation stuff, I think?
 
plus another 97 at least
@Lundin in theory it is unlimited. You just are rate limited to the review queue speed. Every 1000 review gives you a gold badge
 
Yeah seems the Steward badge can be obtained from moderation. I've gotten 9 of those.
 
3:24 PM
870,000 reviews, though - that's a lot for me to ever try to overtake the man.
 
@AdrianMole it might be the faster approach. Its hard to get a 100 vote answer these days
 
@Lundin yep, previously it was a once-per-queue badge, but a few years ago they changed it to be repeatable for every 1K reviews per queue
 
Famous question gets rewarded quite easily though. Just need 10k views.
 
But 800+ famous questions is not an easy achievement.
 
Actually Skeet "only" got 17 of famous question, hmm.
 
3:28 PM
famous question is fairly hard. You have to ask a question that is novel and fairly useful/popular
 
But 665 of great answer, so that's where it's at
 
@Lundin not as easy as you thnk
 
I think the ones that get most famous question badges these days are the ones that are bug reports for cloud services/libraries
 
I've gotten x6 famous question somehow
 
@TylerH One of Yaakov's (many) great contributions to the site.
 
3:28 PM
those always get 20-30 score in a day or two
and half a dozen duplicates, each with ~10 answers saying "it's a bug" "me too" "fixed now"
 
@Lundin But you still aren't famous? xD (I mean, I don't even know who you are!)
 
@AdrianMole Exactly, so how hard can it be to get the badge :P
 
It is kind of frowned upon but you could try farming publicists badges. If you have an active blog then linking to some relevant canonicals in your posts could start getting you those if people click through. That I don't think would be frowned upon
 
@user692942 I voted as no mre (which is clearly lacking + strange use of the tag). VS code is a programming tool and its installation is in programming perimeter, imo
 
3:50 PM
ugh
what to do about a positively scored answer that just does not answer the question
way too high to get to a del-pls here, but I feel if I flag it for deletion as not answering the question, it will just get declined
oh wait, there's hope; the question already mentions they use this tool recommended by the answer
27 friggin upvotes for an answer that recommends a website the OP already said they are using
unbelievable
If I were a CM I would take time out of my day to not just delete this answer but also invalidate all the rep gained from that post
 
@TylerH Where?
 
4:07 PM
well I don't want to link to it here because I don't want to create a meta effect, but if you search my recent comments on my profile you will probably find it
 
@TylerH BTW if it is just a rec it is NAA anyway, right?
 
In the original version, it was an NAA
 
@CPlus it is an answer, just not to the question that was asked
While the NAA flag description states "...does not answer the question that was asked", I'm still leery of flag declinations from mods who interpret it as meaning "does not answer any question", thanks to such declinations in the past
 
But I thought link-only answers are considered NAA.
 
They are generally if the answer says "here is your answer" and the answer is a link to some other content, but in cases where the answer itself is a link, AKA a website, that's not really something that can qualify under that rule, IMO.
E.g.: Q: "How do I do X" A: "use this tool: <link to tool> (the tool is a website offering a service used directly from said website)" --- there's no way for that answer not to be a link
 
4:17 PM
It is a 'recommend deletion' reason for LQA. 'While this link may answer the question...'
 
I don't spend really any time in the Low Quality Answers review queue, but I doubt the answer could end up there since it has a score of 26 (and is several years old).
 
And any question where an only viable answer is a tool link is off-topic anyway, either seeking recommendations or too broad.
 
or is that where all NAA flags go now?
 
@TylerH Well, I have seen many highly voted answers in LQA.
Including ones that were several years old.
 
@CPlus Right, this is an answer that doesn't answer the question that was asked... if the question was a tool rec question, I would've posted a cv-pls here (or in the old questions room) :-)
@Cow I wonder how random users on SO are supposed to help with getting access to a 3rd party service's closed API...
 
Cow
4:21 PM
@TylerH I was shaking my head when I read that
 
And a question that could be answered without a link, posting a link-only answer is considered NAA/VLQ. As far as I could tell, the only flag declination I got was: 'the flag you chose doesn't make a lot of sense in this context. The entire question should simply be closed and deleted.' When I flagged a link-only answer to a rec question as VLQ.
 
Well, if you find the post, feel free to cast an NAA flag on it :-) I already have a mod flag on it because I felt that was the most appropriate avenue for fixing the problem based on the systems I'm familiar with
 
@TylerH Let me know how it went when it finally gets handled 6-8 weeks due to all the ChatGPT crap in the backlog.
 
5:23 PM
@CPlus luckily those go in a separate pile :-)
 
5:35 PM
@TylerH I hope that is correct.
 
Cow
5:54 PM
What does this mean? i.stack.imgur.com/EutfW.png
When I click edit on a tag.
 
@CPlus I am not sure this is a valid
@Cow You mean there is no actuel edit possibility? (I wasn't able to reproduce)
 
Cow
yeah it just gives me that message
is there a limit to how many tag edits you can have or something?
I cannot seem to edit anything anymore
 
@Cow Queue full? Vega has full tag edit privs.
 
Cow
how do I know if a queue is full?
5 edits?
 
@Cow go to a post and try to suggest an edit. It'll tell you if the queue is full
 
6:06 PM
It seems it is 20k privilege? (the first comment here:meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/398757/…)
 
Cow
@TylerH suggest an edit?
I can edit any post no problem
 
users under 2,000 reputation make edit suggestions
 
Go to a random unlocked post and go to stackoverflow.com/posts/<post_id>/edit in a private browser tab (logged out) look for a message that says the queue is full.
 
for tag wikis, the reputation requirement is higher, 20k
 
Cow
lol this seems like a weird method of checking if a suggested tag edit queue is full for a user
 
6:08 PM
so you have to make suggested edits to tag wikis still, even after you have 2k reputation
and if the suggested edits queue is full, you can't suggest a tag wiki edit
 
Cow
Yeah I've edited or made 5 suggestions to tag edits that didn't have any
 
@Cow The tag edit queue and regular edit queue use the same queue
 
Cow
but I have 2889 reputation, I can edit any question/answer without problems
 
@SmokeDetector I like how that spammer had their account nuked already
@Cow But not tag wikis
 
Cow
yeah not tag wikis that's why I ask
oh well I'm confused now
nevermind
 
6:11 PM
If you have >2k but <20k you can edit posts instantly but not tag wikis, you have to suggest an edit and if the queue is full your edit will be blocked
 
Cow
yeah ok
 
 
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8:59 PM
@CPlus not eligible for delvotes yet
 
I thought if it was within 1 vote of being eligible you could post it. Might be wrong though. @mickmackusa
 
It needs a score of -2, but is only -1 right now.
 
Sorry, waffles
 
@mickmackusa posting the same question from another account could be one. I am going to move your message out of the room though because as a room owner I feel it cuts too close on targeting users. Please raise a mod flag if you have some suspicions towards the user.
 
9:16 PM
Yeah, if you see two people asking about the same code close together, IMHO that's enough to raise a flag. Beyond that, needs a mod to check. Sometimes it's just two people in the same class or something.
 
thx
 
9:35 PM
@TylerH This one we just closed would be an example, it appears, of installing from source (it's a bit vague). Not that there aren't quite a few other issues with the post that make it not-acceptable regardless, but the lack of MRE and/or debugging details is, IMHO, a common theme with "install from source" questions.
That particular question be, I believe, closed for "Seeking off-site resource", "Not about programming", or "Needs details or clarity"
 
@NotTheDr01ds yeah, this lacks quite a few details to be able to discern one way or the other, at least for me
 
@TylerH Agreed, and I'll keep looking, but that also seems to be a common theme of these types of questions.
And I'll keep looking for one that does seem to be on-topic, of course ;-)
 
 
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Q: Burninate [wikimedia]

InSyncThe wikimedia tag (~150 questions) seems to be in dire need of burninating. Wikimedia is the organization behind Wikipedia and a couple of other wiki sites. While some questions about mediawiki, the wiki engine vendored by them and used for all their wiki sites, are on-topic due to their programm...

 

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