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1:00 AM
I need some help with something if anyone has input: (re: Retiring Our Community-Specific Closure Reasons for Server Fault and Super User). The post has been featured for just over 2 weeks and continues to creep up in score while conversation around it has somewhat died down.
The only concern I haven't been able to address (or dismiss) is Machavity's. My concern with a meta post any meta post is that it will fall out of date, but given the current limitations I think it's the only option to provide any meaningful level of guidance.
Which computer science / programming Stack Exchange sites do I post on? was given as an option. My current issue is that it is missing many sites including SF, SU, Webmasters, etc. So the question is: is the MSE post better than the /sites? And if it is, do I just hope that if it gets used in a closure reason that others fix the problems with it?
Would it be better to have a new faq on MSO that tries to accomplish something similar and use that instead?
 
The MSE post, at the very least, would need to be greatly expanded in scope to handle Stack Overflow's off-topic posts. I think I'd favor creating a new FAQ on MSO, based in part on the MSE FAQ (with proper attribution, of course), that covers common topics. That way, we can make it specific to the sorts of things that should be posted there instead of on Stack Overflow.
 
@KarlKnechtel GitHub isn't blacklisted. Are you asking about this report? If so, it's not GitHub that's detected. The domain that's detected looks to be one which allows companies to host spam. It's actually what the person in that report is doing, they are just asking us about their About us/spam page.
 
1:16 AM
@Makyen The why and the reply for that ended up in the graveyard. I agree that it does make it look like that question never got a response.
 
Ahhh... yep.
Thanks.
 
@RyanM Hmm okay. I'll see what I can do about a MSO FAQ.
@Makyen Any time :)
 
1:32 AM
Yeah, normally I try to avoid archiving messages relevant to conversations, but in this case even if I'd skipped them, they'd both be picked up in the next Archiver run.
 
2:58 AM
@HenryEcker We could draft one in the Team, perhaps
 
 
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4:25 AM
with proper formatting, it looks fine to me.
 
Yeah, I agree.
needed the edit, but otherwise fine. definitely FP as far as Charcoal is concerned.
If you're ever curious what rule something tripped, you can do:
!!/bisect COMPANY; ABU DHABI
 
@RyanM 'COMPANY; ABU DHABI' is not caught by a blacklist or watchlist item.
 
only works for the watchlists and blacklists though, which...is apparently not the source of that detection.
 
we get a lot of spam where the spammer promotes "THE BEST (company) IN (Dubai, Abu Dhabi, various places in India, etc)" where we don't have much else to latch on to; the rules we have are thus regrettably somewhat FP-prone
SmokeDetector has something called experimental reasons which generally have a description which starts with "possibly" but many of the hard-coded patterns in findspam.py predate that convention
perhaps they could be updated to add that string, at least sometimes?
when a post only triggers experimental reasons, it's not reported here (but it will still be reported in the main Charcoal HQ chat room, for example)
 
what is FP?
oh, false positive?
 
4:34 AM
Yes.
 
yes, false positive
 
user17242583
^^ closed only by 2 mods
 
@tripleee this is neither a typo, nor a "cannot reproduce", the behaviour is caused by a bug in the IDE
 
4:51 AM
@tripleee RO please trash (thanks @Cristik)
@KarlKnechtel yeah, sorry for the lingo
 
@tripleee → 1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
5:04 AM
I just started reviewing the close queue for the tag, and already run on two questions that got random close reasons, just to have them closed... the questions indeed deserve closing, but the close reason is wrong...
or is that the close reason doesn't matter much, as the closed questions will anyway get deleted when the tag is burninated?
 
5:19 AM
waffles, medium just didn't like my VPN
 
@tripleee The medium link is still live for me? Screencap
 
@HenryEcker yeah, nvm, sorry, I tried to use an anonlymizing proxy which somehow didn't like Medium, or vice versa
 
@tripleee Ahh that makes sense np :)
 
EUREKA!!! I've finally been told what is wrong with me! I have an "Unrelenting Standards Schema". How lucky that I married a neuroscientist & mental health counsellor. I wonder how many others with the same schema contribute to SO. Maybe a good question for next year's developer survey.
 
@mickmackusa Is that contagious?
 
On SO? Maybe. I'm lucky to not be much of a drinker, but the rest pretty much checks out. yourpsychologist.net.au/…
Maybe SO is partly to blame. It is a great environment for rewarding USS behaviors -- emotions are not valued/relevant/rewarded and the competition for the "best" quality contributions is relatively fierce and rewarded/measurable. There is no "forced" downtime -- we can contribute 24-7.
 
6:33 AM
@tony19 SGTM, I retracted the CV and converted the comment to a "related: <link>" instead
Maybe I should also bookmark the Q&A for when I'll try upgrading my apps to vue3... :)
 
site down?
whole network apparently
 
The forced downtime for @mickmackusa ;)
 
dangit I am trying to inform an angry user in mod messages why they are wrong
 
@JeanneDark ha, awesome
 
I already wrote the thing, now let me send it so I can do something else! Admittedly, it's 95% one that I wrote for someone else, but I was writing it to be a generally applicable template, so...mission accomplished.
(watch the user get, like, 3 replies)
 
6:44 AM
Very useful that the "We're offline" page points towards a Twitter page which hasn't been updated in nearly four months, as well as the stackstatus page, which hasn't been updated in the same time frame either
 
So is the new status page not a thing yet?
Wasn't that supposed to automatically update and respond to outages?
 
my understanding from the meta post was that it still needs somebody to click somewhere and decide that the incident is serious enough to warrant that click
 
If only I could pull up the announcement =/
 
(this is correct, according to a staff reply to my answer that I would happily link you if the network were, y'know, online)
 
Sure, but it doesn't make sense to tell people to go to the twitter or stack status website, when those aren't up to date
 
6:47 AM
triplee what's defined as 'serious enough'? (not to sound facetious here)
oops.. that's supposed to start with a @triplee
 
oh hey it's back
 
I can only replay from memory but the meta post has a discussion, I think the staff person who was responding there said "P1" where I suppose then this is a P2 or lower
@Adriaan the choir intones "amen"
the RSS view reveals a scheduled outage on June 8th "Scheduled Maintenance: Migrate stackstatus.net from Tumblr."
 
@HenryEcker Now that the network is online, I can tell you that the details regarding that are here.
 
I see now it was "P2 or greater"
 
Ah, automatic as in monitors our internal incident handling and makes that information semi-public. Not automatic as in the system has the ability to detect outages
 
6:52 AM
Indeed.
 
and also the announcement says this will go live properly on June 8
 
7:10 AM
Why I ask this room to address answers that should be converted to comments under the question: imgur.com/a/jn4ekaN
 
@mickmackusa Mods may want you to flag as NAA
 
But we all (all of us in this room) know that NAA has a low success rate when an answer "looks" like it is trying to answer the question.
 
@tripleee The link matches the user name, so probably spam
 
Looks like Zoe declined my flag and deleted the answer that I flagged (I don't disagree with the deletion). I asked for conversion to a comment in case there was value in the hyperlink. stackoverflow.com/a/54386678/2943403
 
@tripleee Flagged spam, the user profile is way too promotional for my tastes
 
7:15 AM
And it looks like this link-only answer was allowed to live on: stackoverflow.com/a/41899039/2943403
 
@mickmackusa Then you should describe the problem more clearly in the custom flag text and explain why a standard flag is not suitable. The explanations in your picture are not that helpful.
 
I avoid all activities that create red on my account.
How are my explanations lacking, @JeanneDark? They are link-only answers. What more needs to be said?
 
I'd presume the mods would prefer a standard NAA, upon which they can decide for themselves whether to change it to a comment or delete it altogether. The custom flag queue is more cumbersome and takes more time per flag to handle
You could also leave a comment along those lines (link only, should be a comment) and NAA flag, then mods will see that comment when handling the flag
 
I see that someone has downvoted stackoverflow.com/a/41899039/2943403 (not me). I don't like the idea of trashing the post versus converting it to a comment. It has value, it just isn't an answer.
 
@mickmackusa If nothing more needs to be said, then raise an NAA flag. Custom flags are for cases when an explanation is necessary
 
7:22 AM
@mickmackusa Yeah, I don't think there's more to be said. Personally I'd probably have marked those helpful.
@mickmackusa errr. Hmm, that's not good. Although actually I'd probably decline that flag, but for the alternate reason that the link 404s.
 
@RyanM ah, you're right. I never actually clicked either link in the answer (or checked the wayback machine).
 
Autoflagged FP: flagged by @SmokeDetector, @CalvT, @JonasCz
 
@richardec Sorry if my message somewhat mislead you. My case is probably a bit special since I can not vote to delete and thought you knew that. I also try to restrict the number of requests I post. Another factor is also the question score - the higher the more del votes are necessary (3 to 10 votes). I almost always post requests for questions with a negative score.
 
8:21 AM
@tripleee OP has added code, perhaps it's not general computing?
 
@RyanM that looks suspiciously much like actual SSH credentials to that server. Should that be edited out or even redacted?
 
@Adriaan ...I mean at some point your four-character SSH password is gonna get brute-forced, but...sure, why not. Done.
(needs approval from another mod before anything happens, though)
 
RE: Smokey's last report. One of the stranger spam - it seems to be advertising a government website
 
Google translate says "Department of Science and Technology of Can Tho city" in Vietnamese.
 
@VLAZ huh... so it does. But...it certainly does seem to be advertising it... (SD report for context after the report is archived)
 
8:26 AM
@AdrianHHH That's also what I checked. And the website is .gov.vn The profile also has the same text and website plastered over it
 
At least that spammer tries to respect our Q&A format, unlike many non-spammers
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@Adriaan The default credentials for that robot seem to be nao/nao and root/root. I doubt that OP is concerned about its secrecy as it's not publicly accessible.
 
@JeanneDark As a reward we should petition the mods to slap the account with only -95 instead of -100 for the redflag. Before they destroy the account.
 
@VLAZ ...guess I shouldn't have specifically undeleted the answer so I could flag it as spam, then. Or perhaps I should have upvoted it before I flagged it as spam.
 
@VLAZ Or alternatively treat questions containing "solved" (or "sloved") and a solution as spam ;)
 
9:10 AM
@RyanM I nominated after they added the code, they seem to just lack basic knowledge of how SSH works
 
9:22 AM
some helpful passer-by upvoted that, too
 
10:12 AM
@StephenOstermiller "Django vs angular... difference" -> Yes. Next question?
@4b0 del or should that be flagged?
 
Looks like a clear case for a plagiarism mod flag
 
Please always always always flag plagiarism.
Last thing we need is people getting away with it because the answer got deleted and no mod saw it.
 
Can I flag the original for being awful?
 
The 200 pending plagiarism flags are getting lonely.
 
10:35 AM
do we have some sort of articulation for when we have "enough duplicates already"? I have been using that for del-pls requests when it's a question I have closed dozens of times before, but I was thinking about trying to quantify this
just now, I was looking at a question which has 46 non-deleted duplicates; I would perhaps think something like 20 would already be enough (depending also on their quality and how much they differ from the canonical)
 
Personally, I evaluate it based on "could this be a useful signpost, or does it otherwise add something that's not in the dupe target?"
I don't think there's a point at which there are or aren't enough duplicates yet. An unhelpful duplicate could be deleted if it's the first one, while the most useful duplicate might turn out to be the 50th.
 
10:52 AM
@tripleee I don't see the harm that having lots of (closed) duplicates causes. To me that isn't a reason for deletion at all.
 
The high number of duplicates isn't a reason for deletion. A bad duplicate is a reason for deletion
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Some PHP questions have thousands of duplicates.
 
thanks, agree that it depends a lot on the individual duplicates; I have to wonder what possible benefit there could be for >1000 but that's a separate discussion
 
The possible benefit is that it uses unique wording for which somebody then searches.
 
11:10 AM
yeah, the ones I was looking at seemed mostly like 44 people struggling enormously to find a different way to put "argument list too long" in the title
 
11:20 AM
is this "needs more focus" or perhaps basic ML methodology? stackoverflow.com/q/72448547
 
11:37 AM
 
11:51 AM
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/72448561/sudo-apt-update-gives-a-warning-about-gpg-key-error-how-to-fix-this
Is there a way to flag a question as a cross-site dupe?
 
@Sören not without using a mod flag, no.
 
@Sören Nope. Often, but not always, cross-site dupes are off-topic (like this one), though that's not a guarantee (there is some overlap in scope between sites).
@Adriaan ...which you should not do, because that mod flag will be declined as "not a thing."
 
Closing them (probably as off-topic in that case) + leaving a comment is the way to go here, unless it's the same OP asking on both sites. The latter is explicitly not accepted by SO
 
thanks
 
@RyanM yea, I know. Except for self-dupes, as far as Martijn once told me
 
11:55 AM
Yeah, just wanted to clarify for the room :-)
And yeah, self-dupes across sites (AKA cross-posts) are a legit thing to flag. I often leave those for other mods who understand the rules around them a bit better, but I handle the obvious cases.
...though lately it's hard to find them amongst all the plagiarism flags :-)
...which, to be clear, are great: keep 'em coming :D
 
You want us to make Cody happy? ;)
 
@JeanneDark Is that even feasible?
 
@AdrianMole I have seen Cody smile. It was at Halloween when the pumpkin that was him had a smile carved onto it.
 
12:10 PM
I'm pretty sure the chicken also smiled
 
It would have been a wry smile, at best. I just don't think that Cody's genes are oriented towards the "smiley happy people" of the world. ;)
 
12:46 PM
Can a RO bin this request please? OP has added code (cc @RyanM)
 
Morning
 
@NathanOliver that doesn't say "morning"! Who are you and what did you do with the real NathanOliver?!
 
whistles
Got so distracted this morning. Must be the nice three day weekend I'm still recovering from
 
1:04 PM
"We are currently offline for maintenance"
 
Ok, who broke the site?
 
@SurajRao Network-wide
Did the DDoS start again?
 
Sorry, I spilled my coffee on something that looked important.
 
I did see few slowdowns earlier. And I also saw people report in chat the site was down but only for a minute or so
@IanCampbell Surely not on the blinking thing, right?
 
Formerly blinking thing? That's the one.
 
1:09 PM
Oh no! Why do we keep it next to the cupholder?
 
Sorry, I was trying to delete some plagiarized posts and accidentally deleted the server's network connection. In my defense, they looked really similar...you know how plagiarism is.
 
I think it's working again. The coffee was probably replaced with proper blinker fluid.
 
Does this deserve a red (R/A) flag? It's NAA, for sure, but is the dietary suggestion rude?
 
Meh, I think we should all eat pizza.
 
It's hard to say. I see it as "I can't post without a minimum of characters so here's some random dietary advice"
 
1:16 PM
Should have given that advice to Marie Antoinette.
Qu'ils mangent des pizzas.
 
I'm trying to imagine an 18th century peasant eating a deep-dish Detroit pizza.
 
It would probably seem to them as the height of decadence.
Until they see the deep-fried burger made of pizzas with burgers inside. Then they'd probably just die.
 
@VLAZ There are things worse than starving?
 
@JeanneDark I stepped on a Lego block once.
 
@VLAZ Only once? Lucky!
 
1:26 PM
I (try to) sleep on them
 
Like the bed on nails thing?
 
I was looking for the only thing worse than looking at typical SO posts
 
Look though (some of) the 161 questions tagged ?
 
The tag probably needs to be merged with , since that's on-topic
 
I was actually going to make a joke using a phoney "lego" tag, but then I found that there is one. xD
 
1:38 PM
@JeanneDark Smart. Spending the nights cleansing your palette.
 
1:54 PM
In the case of duplicate answers, does it matter which one we mod flag? (I was aiming to flag the latter but became confused - in a relativistic way - about the timestamps.)
... 3 minutes is a very long time when you're a photon. :)
 
You can always retract the flag and light it up again.
Although I doubt it really matters which of the two identical answers you flag.
Wait, I just realised - is two answers by the same user or not?
 
@VLAZ Yes - same user, posted ~3 minutes apart. Presumably, the system-raised auto-flag is on the later of the two.
 
Meh, I doubt it matters. But maybe the non-graphite carbon-based lifeforms have a different view.
 
When in doubt, just mod flag a totally unrelated post ;)
 
I did that, too. I always do that.
But the mods on Beer.SE are far more understanding. :-)
 
2:07 PM
Modflag one of Jon Skeet's posts. I assume that enables the express flag handling service.
 
Flag the zalgo answer
 
Jon Skeet hasn't posted anything on Beer.SE.
 
@JeanneDark You're not a real SO mod until you've declined one of those
 
I bet the "declined" messages are interesting.
 
probably r/a or spam ^
 
2:26 PM
Does it make sense to close this as typo (see my comment)? I think so, right?
 
@AdrianMole Apparently Beer cannot be made with C#. TIL
 
a typo in the book?
 
@KevinB Sort of misleading. The variable ending in Str is not a string but a char array. It's just missing the definition and the naming makes it seem like it's different.
 
@MarcoBonelli The book is confusing enough that other people could reasonably ask the same question about the passage. The question could be useful to others in the future I think.
 
It's a typo in OP's code.
 
2:32 PM
@KevinB that's what I was thinking
 
@MarcoBonelli On the other hand, it uses a screenshot of the passage from the book, so it will be impossible for others to search for the text and find the question.
 
@StephenOstermiller the question is essentially asking "why doesn't this piece of code with a typo work?"
Seems of little to no use to me...
I see your point, maybe if it had the text from the book it would be OK
 
@StephenOstermiller was sortof my take. If this is a problem/misunderstanding being caused by the book, there's value in it sticking around
though probably want to ensure it can't be an audit
the downvote it already has would do that, yes?
 
Or maybe there is a canonical that explains strcpy takes a char array and not std::string?
@KevinB Yes, audits are picked only from posts without downvotes.
 
@VLAZ more or less... 1 2
 
2:40 PM
I'd consider closing the book question against them, in that case. Seems like a common enough mistake to make that a duplicate would be more useful than closing as typo.
 
@VLAZ idk I'm hesitant to do that because of my gold hammer
 
3:18 PM
Here's an interesting question stackoverflow.com/questions/485120/…
 
@Dharman short answer: "if you use emacs, you are already a better programmer"
@richardec not sure we should delete that Q&A, even if offtopic it has some useful insights
yeah, there are lots of not-so-good answers there, but some of them are quite ok
 
user17242583
@Cristik Personally I think that question and its answers are out-of-date. Besides that, I don't really understand the point of the whole question; it's rather unfocused. It only has 3k views over 13 years anyway.
 
user17242583
@Dharman Are you gonna delete that one? It's, of course, very dated.
 
Emacs has games on it, which means less productivity.
 
@Cristik It's off-topic and had little value historically
 
3:29 PM
I have deleted enough already :D
 
Is there anything Emacs can do better than a modern IDE?
 
user17242583
@Dharman Haha, yeah, and that one would probably be better with a historical lock if anything, though I love deleting :)
 
One of my older coworkers copied a Microsoft word document into Emacs to do some documentation changes lol
 
I can delete this one if you want stackoverflow.com/questions/571132/…
 
@MFerguson Yes: C-x M-c M-butterfly Reference
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3:33 PM
@MFerguson What kind of hell has documentation in MS word???
 
gubernment documentation
 
user17242583
@Dharman Will you please delete that entire question? It contains many worthless answers, e.g. "I'm quite certain that Mike is the correct choice." by Mike.
 
@StephenOstermiller My workplace, at least until I migrated all the developer docs to markdown on our DevOps wiki.
 
@GeneralGrievance You are doing God's work.
I hope you use emacs to edit that markdown now. >:)
 
3:38 PM
Yeah, I meant to delete the whole question, not just one answer
What kind of close vote reason is that?
 
I figured it was getting deleted anyway lol
 
user17242583
@Dharman How'd you find that Q?
 
We're a very vocal group, how else would we grow our numbers?
 
user17242583
I'm using is:q closed:yes would you score:..100 answers:20..30 to find these higher-score ones.
 
3:43 PM
@richardec I'd rather not say. One thing led me to another.
 
user17242583
@Dharman Ah! I see.
 
@StephenOstermiller It's funny. Ease of maintainability wasn't really something I really saw the need to fight for until one of the old devs left.
 
user17242583
Now here's an odd one. Just as junky as most, not very high-scored, but with 65k views!?
 
Emacs is pretty RAD.
 
user17242583
I can't explain that high view count.
 
3:47 PM
@richardec Google searches for "rad tools" most likely
I'm absolutely not surprised. Old closed questions about tool recommendations tend to get a lot of views.
@Cristik The answers are pure trash, as well. One of the answers just shows how to check if the password is the same as the username. The other uses the really bad old advice for making a "strong" password without actually considering making a good password.
 
@VLAZ agreed, no value lost from the answers, too :)
 
4:06 PM
would returning from a foreach inside a map be a duplicate of returning from a foreach
 
@KevinB I think so. You can't really return in either case.
The .map() is a red herring
 
Right, but there's... an oddity here
so, what's unclear is, what the intended result the op wanted was
take this for example:
foo.forEach((bar) => bar.baz);
one can assume that they just wanted map anyway
but if you put that within an enclosing map... now... it's unclear
did you want a multi-dimensional array, or just the first element from foo?
 
@KevinB Is this an answer you're looking at now?
 
@KevinB It's unclear what they want from that. Most of the time it will effectively do nothing. It only actually does something if there are side effects from just accessing any of foo[n].baz.
 
4:19 PM
Yeah, most likely they wanted a map. But it might also be supposed to try and find the first that matches. Or the last match. Or who knows - just the last item (think let result; for (const item of items) result = item;). So, maybe it's just an unclear question.
 
4:48 PM
 
5:12 PM
 
I keep forgetting, what's the treatment for "fix me the code" questions that contain both the code and the error messages (so it's clear what the OP is asking)? Closing as typo without giving any hints is not very useful for the OP, however telling what the problem is might not be suitable for a comment (due to length limits) all the time.
 
@Cristik why do they need to be closed?
If your issue is that OP hasn't shown effort, that's a downvote reason, not a close vote reason
 
@TylerH if it would be one error message, then the question might be useful to other that stumble on similar issues, however the question I have in mind has a very specific code, and part of the errors were already covered on SO
so the question is also partially duplicate
 
@Dharman I don't think so, personally
 
5:18 PM
hmm... should it be closed as duplicate of other questions with similar error messages?
 
@Cristik it sounds like we would need to see the question you are talking about and any potential duplicate targets. Sometimes a question that has multi-part errors can be closed as a duplicate of multiple different targets when there are canonicals for each part, but not always
 
user17242583
@Dharman nah...look at one of its answers: "job security!!!"
 
user17242583
Obviously there was doubt about it since it was posted. A comment from 2009 on it: "Is there any usefullness in such a question ?"
 
@TylerH this is the question: stackoverflow.com/questions/72432046/…
the first error (the "State") one is a simple missing import of SwiftUI, others are duplicate of subsequent questions posted by the same user
 
@Cristik needs more focus (multiple questions), details or clarity (images of errors) etc.
 
5:26 PM
@JeanneDark the errors are also present in text, above the code snippet
 
Ok, deleted. As always, if someone disagrees with my deletion please make your way to Meta. :D
 
I think we're left with the (ford) focus close reason :)
 
user17242583
@Dharman I don't know how anyone could disagree with deleting that. :)
 
@richardec Some folks just love torches and pitchforks is all
 
@richardec I'm also OK, as I can anyway access posts that are deleted :p
 
user17242583
5:30 PM
@Cristik True. Sometimes I wonder how delete-happy I'd be if I were <10k...
 
@Cristik If you have duplicate targets for all three errors I would suggest picking one and closing as a dupe of that. Then link the other two in comments
you could close as too broad and tell OP that questions need to focus on one error, but some people might get upset about that notion, and it's much less useful than closing as a duplicate of one of the errors & linking to the others
 
or maybe add all of them to the duplicate list
 
Well, yes if you have a gold badge in one of the tags
I didn't want to assume you did (and didn't bother to check your profile)
 
yeah, I have such :)
 
adding all the dupes to the list would indeed be the ideal outcome
although if you are feeling friendly, leaving a comment explaining that each duplicate solves a different one of OP's errors would probably be nice, too
 
5:35 PM
agreed, as from the contents of the questions posted by that user, they seem to be a beginner in ReactNative interoperability with Swift/Objective-C, so the more helpful comments, the better for them, as for the others that stumble upon the question, well... they have the signpost :)
 
yep, exactly
 
 
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7:20 PM
Is R/A valid for attempts to inject code into the page?
 
@GeneralGrievance As in trying to find a cross site scripting vulnerability in the site?
 
As in <script>alert('hi')</script>.
But the tags are hidden in markdown.
 
I don't think that is rude or abusive. It is penetration testing, hopefully without malicious intent.
It doesn't actually do anything, and it isn't visible to users. So, no harm? There is certainly no payload on it that would signal malicious intent.
 
I guess not. Here's the link for context: stackoverflow.com/a/57821300/4294399 It would be annoying if it did work though. Have mod flagged at least, since the rest of it is plagiarized.
 
@GeneralGrievance I would consider that abusive if it's just someone messing around trying to get other users to have a prompt appear on their screen
 
7:31 PM
Amber Heard is gonna go bankrupt, 17M damages...
 
@bad_coder not sure what you read but I am seeing $8,350,000 total for Depp
 
@bad_coder I read 13M
15 to give and 2 to receive
 
better'n 50mil
for her, at least
 
she'll probably appeal but if not or if the appeal is quashed she'll still probably be hurting, cash-wise
 
maybe musk will help
 
7:45 PM
lol
 
again
 
Before she needs to take some acting classes
 
course, she still owes the original 7m, right?
 
@Vega CNN and AP are listing $10m in compensatory damages and punitive of $2 million but punitive is capped at $350K in the state
@KevinB wuzzat? I haven't been following the case, just looked it up when bad_coder mentioned it
 
the settlement from before
that musk helped pay
 
7:46 PM
@GeneralGrievance How many more posts like this exist, I wonder? The site search is not really helpful in finding those (unsurprisingly): searching for "<script>alert" (with the quotes just gives results with "script" and "alert" in them. Not necessarily as tags.
 
@VLAZ Yes, and this is definitely not the first time I've seen it.
 
she pledged 7mil to two charties, and hasn't paid up, that was part of the argument for this case
that pledge was meant to prove she wasn't doing it for the money
 
@TylerH I saw in French news, they are probably less detailed or precise. I should have checked in better sources :)
 
@KevinB oh you were serious about musk helping? I had no idea he was involved but why am I not surprised
 
lol
yea
ofc musk is involved in it
 
7:53 PM
@KevinB AFAICT the case is purely Depp suing Heard for defamation and Heard counter suing Depp based on public statements his lawyer made about her relevant to the original suit.
they both won, sort of
 
> The seven-person civil jury (five men, two women) has found in favour of Johnny Depp in the high-profile court case against Amber Heard. They found that he was in the right on all three counts brought by Depp's legal team, awarding him $15 million in compensation. Heard's countersuit was successful on one count and she was awarded $2 million.
so yea technically they both "won" sortof
but i mean
 
How much did their lawyers make?
 
@TylerH Heard published an article claiming she was a survivor of domestic violence that heavily implied it was Depp who had abused her
 
@GeneralGrievance 15 and 2 million
 
8:04 PM
@rene Sorry, I have no idea how lawyers get paid, actually. I've just been told it's a lot. Do they get matched 1 to 1, or what?
 
There's a difference between punitive damages and compensation. The parties only see compensation, not punitive. Punitive is collected by the state.
 
@GeneralGrievance I have to pay my lawyer his hourly rate when he thinks about me. And I cross his mind several times per day. Don't ask. Lawyers don't come cheap.
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@GeneralGrievance Most folks confuse injury attorneys with other kinds of lawyers. The former work on a "we win, you pay" setup. The latter will charge you by the hour. Maybe by the minute. And they are almost always highly detailed
So Depp and Heard were out a lot of money regardless of the outcome
 
8:20 PM
now, though, he might actually be able to get another role
heard on the other hand..
 
@Machavity yes, hence Depp's defamation suit
@Braiam This is not correct; in the US, at least, punitive damages go to the plaintiff
in civil cases
and in criminal cases the plaintiff is the government anyway
 
@Machavity Ah, ok. My only "experience" with the judicial system mostly comes from playing Ace Attorney, and getting paid wasn't a mechanic. I hope I never have to be on either end of a lawsuit...
 
@StephenOstermiller Yikes, that answer is rude/abusive
 
@TylerH This answer? The, ah... remarks probably came from the original question. I edited out the name-calling in the question.
 
Oh, great..
Let me retract my flag then...
 
8:35 PM
@Vega yes afterwards I also understand that, I watched the youtube vid live so it wasn't clear.
 
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@TylerH I replaced the image with text and removed the offensive bits.
 
@TylerH these people in the US are very complicated :P (cc @Vega)
@Machavity I thought they took 25%...
@GeneralGrievance lol CAPCOM games brings back memories going back to Street Fighter II
 
Yeah, I was a MegaMan Battle Network kid.
 
@GeneralGrievance mmm 2001 I hadn't heard of that game :| looks really good!!
@GeneralGrievance some of the elements remind me of Snow Bros.
 
@bad_coder Lawyers are commonly paid by the hour, by the task, or as a percentage of how much the party to the suit wins (i.e. on a contingency basis). Another method is X% of how much below Y amount of damages the party has to pay (i.e. how much was saved from an amount the party is expecting to pay if they don't have the lawyer). What the terms are is something that can be negotiated between the party and the lawyer and can vary substantially, depending on circumstances (the parties, details of the suit, the lawyers involved, etc.). For payment based on a percentage of what the party wins, there are often/usually maximum percentages defined by law, which vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
 
8:49 PM
@Makyen that must have given you a lot of work to write up (I'm sorry for mentioning it). OK, maximum percentage defined by law is very interesting, otherwise the lawyer could squeeze the client to relinquish 100% or close...
Bottom line, in law they can negotiate any kind of payment - seems like a free market.
Don't know what's more of a nightmare in the US having to pay hospital bills or be sued for damages...
I'm off for my evening coffee o/
 
9:26 PM
@bad_coder Indeed there is a lot of malpractice at risk here. if you are interested in more lurid cases relevant to that, look up the Avenatti - Stormy Daniels case from earlier this year
 
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