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12:43 AM
@RyanM I'd advise this idea although garnering more votes might just not be the best. Part of my arguments in favor of using a sufix over a prefix are developed in the comments under my answer - which seems like the preferable long term solution.
@RyanM hardly anyone is articulating a set of comprehensive counter-arguments so the votes might be more of a popularity indication than else...
I'm also a PyCharm freak and I don't see much advantage to prefixing 30 IDE tags with a vendor name, but I do see potential advantages in considering to sufix every IDE tag with -ide. (If any affix is to be considered, at all, overall consistency would be given by the -ide suffix.)
Otherwise it's 1 synonym that long term doesn't impact much and will become a problem down the road...
 
1:37 AM
Can't decide what to do for this post in the burnination. The accepted answer is link-only (and the link isn't really helpful) and there's another poor answer. The other answer has 0 votes but appears to provide some resolution. I'm tempted to CV it as "no repro" but would appreciate second opinions.
 
2:02 AM
 
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2:53 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis I've addressed the close reason with an edit and reopened the question, so I'm binning this.
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (question is reopened, can no longer be deleted)
 
3:28 AM
@mickmackusa If you're still around and it's something you're inclined to fix. The Joomla on-topic page has some TO-DO's present: "[TO-DO] Link to meta Topic with Examples of Good and Bad Questions for each category." and "[TO-DO] Link to meta Topic with Examples of "Fix-my-code/Work for free" questions." You might consider wrapping those in some comment tags or removing them.
 
4:02 AM
@HenryEcker Golly, that page needs some love! Thanks for bringing to my attention.
 
4:12 AM
 
4:48 AM
@Cristik That seems like it should be able to be answered objectively - surely one is more efficient than the other for that task.
 
@RyanM not sure if comparing against one deprecated, and likely to be removed, technology, is useful; also both are closed source, so answering this would have to rely on all kinds of subjective benchmarks
is this question on-topic stackoverflow.com/questions/72200096/…? basically it asks for a list of possible failure reasons
 
5:38 AM
@SurajRao Contains an official response from the support team about OP's issue. Technically, should be an answer. It's certainly not a great answer, though.
 
@SurajRao looks like NAA, but on the other hand the answerer posted the reply received from Apple, and the answer contains hints about how to properly implement what the OP needs
could benefit from some polish
 
@SurajRao Not an NAA
 
Ok.. thanks
 
done, edited the answer, not sure about the last sentence I added, though :p
I didn't want to change the intent of the answerer, that's why I put it there, but I feel it could've been worded better
 
6:05 AM
 
^ I was just about to comment that this user would probably lead to a lot of false positives and the answer was nuked. I don't think it was spam, though.
@tripleee User with the exact same username already has a deleted answer that says the same.
^ Is this spam? Or just really badly asked question?
 
6:20 AM
There is an edit suggestion on a 2018 post by someone who says being the OP. Some sensitive infos are edited out. I think to approve, but is there anything else to do?
@VLAZ Which one? The last one is a real spam
 
@VLAZ The "interior design services in Lahore" question?
 
@JeanneDark Yes. It was nuked already, so I assume it's actually spam.
 
I think that was definitely spam
 
I did flag as spam immediately. But then I thought that maybe, just maybe, the user was actually asking a question about their website. Well, I wouldn't really mourn the loss even if that was the case, though - my motto is that if a post looks enough like spam, it shouldn't really be surprising if it gets nuked.
The question said "here is my code" and if you hit "edit" there was some HTML which wasn't rendered because it wasn't marked as code.
@Vega You can modflag and ask for the revision that contained sensitive data to be removed, if you think it's warranted.
 
Although like...if the data's been there for ~4 years, you're kinda trying to put a cat into a bag that's long since been recycled.
Redaction flags are usually pointless. We'll do the redaction, but in the majority of cases, the correct handling is to simply invalidate the leaked credentials.
Unless it's like, identifying info, then that's different.
 
6:33 AM
I checked, the post has 2 answers with 0 votes, but the question has 1 upvote, 4K views. Does this change anything?
Thank you @RyanM and @Vlaz for replies
 
@Vega I wouldn't really worry about views here. If the sensitive data is, say, an email we'd probably want to limit exposure whatever the view count is. It just shouldn't be available going forward. Probably doesn't really matter for credentials/keys/similar, as well.
I guess you can modflag and then see how mods handle it. What's the worse that can happen? Except a mod clicking the "decline and erase flagger from existence" button.
 
I see. Thank you again
 
@VLAZ I do sometimes need a "decline and suspend flagger" button.
Would have been great for the flagger who asked us to (with fewer asterisks) "ban this stupid ***hole".
In fairness, the flag was ambiguous about who they wanted banned, so I decided to go with my own interpretation.
 
oh-oh ;)
 
@RyanM So, I should send this flag to give you something good to handle for a change, right?
 
6:48 AM
there are...probably posts on which I'd accept that flag...like this one.
...if it was already deleted and there were multiple and you meant "destroy the troll" or something :-p otherwise red flags please
...basically what I'm saying is I've seen far more confusing flags.
 
@RyanM I feel like the mod team would not accept my interpretation of R/A when it comes to some regex answers.
 
7:48 AM
@Dharman looks at monthly deletion stats ...does that mean I've deleted too much?
 
8:03 AM
 
8:45 AM
wondering what's the "bad keyword" in the above SD report
 
@Cristik Click on "MS" to get details about the report. Apparently the bad word is "serum"
The string is part of the GitHub link.
 
ah... ok... thanks, had troubles finding "serum" in the answer
thanks also for the "MS" tip, didn't know about this
 
It's useful. Tip: if Smokey reports "answer by blacklisted user" you can also find the reason they were blacklisted.
 
 
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9:49 AM
^ Oh. I didn't realise that yoga, food, and drink can help with...enlargement of certain body part.
(at least from what google translate told me the spam said)
 
if you trust what you read in spam, any crackpot remedy will help with your taxes, disobedient house animals, witchcraft, and government espionage
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10:34 AM
is this suitable for del-pls? [What IDE can be used for ActionScript 3 coding? [closed]](stackoverflow.com/questions/1385169) (SD report) 30 k visits, answers generally seem dated and many are of dubious quality
 
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12:03 PM
Morning
 
12:38 PM
the userscript wouldn't let me post just a flag-pls, not sure if it's just an omission or if it's gently implying I should not be doing that
 
12:49 PM
@StephenOstermiller and with a plagiarized answer...nice.
 
I saw the answer wasn't useful, but I didn't catch that it was copied from somewhere
 
Clearly I've been looking at too much plagiarism lately...it stood out :-)
 
At least it linked to the source
 
Yeah, in that way that plagiarists do that implies that it's not the source... "You can get more details from this article."
 
Darn you plagiarists!
 
1:17 PM
Most suspiciously, my correct answer has been downvoted while the blatantly wrong answer that I have commented on has received an upvote. Has my special fan just returned from their suspension?
 
@mickmackusa If you mean the person responsible for the +84 voting reversal, it definitely wasn't them.
 
@mickmackusa We certainly can't do anything here about interpersonal voting behavior.
 
1:35 PM
 
1:49 PM
Wow, just found 11 year old sockpuppet.
 
Too young for an SO account ;)
 
@JeanneDark is there an age limit to join SO? :)
 
Yes, you need to be at least 16 IIRC
Else you can flag their account and it will be deleted
 
hmm... even Facebook allows people to register at 13
 
1:55 PM
13 and 16, depending on where you live.
 
Huh. Wouldn't have guessed about the EU. Also, interesting that the paragraph for the EU is mostly a find+replace for the first paragraph.
 
Yeah, it's 13 or 16, and 18 everywhere to be a moderator
 
@Cristik We have to report anyone admitting they're underage. CMs do a special delete of their account
 
If you are elected moderator, they make you report to a special location where they take your DNA to confirm that your telomeres have undergone enough renewal cycles to be at least 18.
 
2:11 PM
@IanCampbell I actually expected a much worse examination
 
When you're elected, you can let us know how it goes.
 
You made me run a query and now I have to report some users.
 
Mods have to report anyone under 16, and if they're at least 13, the CMs will check what country they're in to see if that's okay.
 
how do you know the age of a user
 
we ask their parents
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2:21 PM
Sometimes they post something about it. Otherwise, we don't know.
 
If you had an account since 2008, we assume that you are probably an adult
 
@Vega Yes: link-only. All relevant content is behind the link.
 
Thank you
 
np
 
2:58 PM
@tripleee I'd say so, but there are linked duplicates that need to be cleaned up first
 
@richardec "I'm voting this one up since the answers have given me a lot of good software - good question, yataf." do you really want to make that person sad? :)
 
@tripleee If you posted just a flag-pls, that would be ambiguous as to which flag you were wanting to have raised. There are some flag types, NAA and VLQ, for which we (mostly) don't want people posting requests in here, as multiple flags of those types on the same post are not all that useful. Multiple flags of those type do make the post a bit more visible to moderators, but the users would be much more effective at handling the post if they used the review queue to review it, rather than add more flags. Moderators, usually, don't see those flags in their flag queue until at least an hour after the first flag is raised. The general review queues should have the post in them within a few minutes after the flag is raised. Raising one of those flags prevents the user from being able to act on reviews which were triggered by those flags being raised.
 
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@Cristik I thought about it, but it makes be sadder to have the question around ;)
 
question - is there any place I can check how many delete votes I have left for today?
 
@Cristik It will tell you before you cast a vote, but other than that I don't think it's in your profile or anything
 
3:11 PM
@miken32 thanks!
 
@Cristik If you don't mind counting how many you voted for the day 'manually', then on Activity tab, under Votes, choose Deletion tab. You can then count one by one for the day
 
Doesn't it give you the number when you click "delete" or something?
 
@RyanM Yes, it shows the remaining votes count
 
Can we have a new rule, whereby if you close (say) 20 questions as duplicates, you are entitled to answer the 21st?
 
3:26 PM
Daily or yearly? :)
 
By recent experience, I think daily would work. :)
 
20 duplicates of the same duplicate target? or 20 duplicates overall?
 
@AdrianMole I think you should just get all the rep earned by answerers of the dupes you closed at the end of the day :-)
 
if there's 20 duplicates, there's probably 200 more
 
@TylerH That would also work. :)
 
4:17 PM
@Cristik maybe a nice addition for stackapps.com/questions/9409/show-remaining-votes
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4:43 PM
@BendertheGreatest How is this opinion based? It's asking how to download data as csv/excel file and doesn't seem to be asking about API usage, so it's about usage of general software.
 
4:58 PM
 
@gre_gor Re-reading that question, I misunderstood it at first. But I do agree it's also off topic for the reason it's now closed as.
 
5:36 PM
@Cristik The prompt that get served when voting to delete is actually stored as an attribute on the button itself. <button ... data-prompt="Vote to delete this post? (7 votes remaining)" ...>Delete</button> There are a few userscripts which find this property and display it more prominently. It can be pulled from any page which has a visible delete button.
 
user17242583
@Cristik You can also run sd why right after an SD report to see the reason.
 
user17242583
I believe you can also reply with why to an SD message.
 
Unfortunately I don't know which of my userscripts do what so I have no idea which one to recommend.
@richardec Yes you can reply to an SD report with why
 
@richardec No more gems? ;)
 
user17242583
5:40 PM
@Vega Do you not consider that a gem?
 
user17242583
But besides that I've got more. Probably lots more ;)
 
Hello 0/
 
Does this room about closes votes? @Machavity closed one question, and write some comment there, so from that comment, I seen his profile, and he mentioned this room for close votes, anyway I will not disturb anyone.
 
@BendertheGreatest I'm afraid you've linked an answer. I've taken the liberty of editing your message to point to the question, which I assume was your intent.
 
5:48 PM
@SunderamDubey I think in general you should ping them under the question that was closed. If the mod closed it unilaterally you can @ them underneath the comment.
Otherwise the normal processes for reopening are available like edits and reopen votes (even when a mod closes it)
 
@SunderamDubey see also our FAQ.
 
@HenryEcker I understood,
@RyanM I was telling from where I am came.
 
@RyanM I'm using the userscript and I clicked the cv-pls on the question tab of one of the answer reviews. I wonder if it linked to the answer I was reviewing?
 
user17242583
When, if ever, is the retiring of the SU/SF community-specific close reasons going to be taken care of? It seems like a very good idea to me.
 
@BendertheGreatest ahh! That must be it. I was wondering how you managed to send that from the userscript.
cc @Makyen: we've found an edge case.
@richardec Soon(TM). We're figuring out how to actually, well, do that. Currently one idea is to just...change both close reasons to the same text and remove one.
We're also writing an FAQ page for it.
 
5:53 PM
@richardec In 7
 
There's a good chance it'll happen in the next 6-8 days.
 
@richardec Yes. There are 2 things that need to be addressed and both are in progress.
 
@HenryEcker are they the 2 things I said, or did I forget something?
 
@RyanM Catija's mentioned that the usage guidance is not currently usage guidance. And then the MSO FAQ
Were the 2 things I was speaking of.
 
Ahhh. I hadn't seen that, thanks.
 
5:56 PM
Oh, I must have missed that meta post. Awesome. Can't wait to see it.
 
We absolutely cannot change both close reasons to the same text because that would retroactively affect all current SU/SF closure reasons.
Also we'd need a CM to do that. While the site mod team can turn off SF and SU and add the new reason themselves (if I've understood correctly).
(Again assuming we can finish those last two pieces)
 
@HenryEcker Well, that's actually the idea. Currently at least the SU one dispenses bad advice in a lot of cases (e.g., Android questions). As long as the new one is a superset, it should be okay.
Also it was Catija's idea in the first place :-p
Getting a CM to edit stuff if we've got text for them is no problem.
 
We still couldn't merge them... There'd be two listed in the close dialogue which would be confusing... Maybe just replace SU reason and retire SF then?
 
Ah yeah, it'd be change both, remove one. Or maybe change SU, remove SF, like you said - SF seems less likely to be misused.
 
@RyanM I'm creating a GH issue for that. I will probably flag one more cv-pls from the review queue (if any of them merit) to capture a screenshot.
 
6:00 PM
sounds good
 
@RyanM Ohhh I didn't think about that. Changing both then removing one. I misunderstood originally. That's not a bad idea in theory.
 
@RyanM sigh
:;
 
Regardless the Usage Guidance and replacing "another Stack Exchange site" with the MSO FAQ draft needs to happen first. Like you said we need to have the text for the change to be made
 
@richardec Only if it is on ruby tag :)
 
@SunderamDubey the room description is in the upper right of the room, it is also here. There is more info at socvr.org, linked from there. You are welcome to ask questions about the room in here; doing so via comments requires one specific person to respond rather than whoever is around.
 
6:20 PM
Do questions with a tag being burninated need to be posted here, given the attention paid to the tag's close queue?
 
@RyanM Issue created. I'm not sure who here maintains that script though.
@miken32 There is a Burnination HQ chat room that is probably more suitable for burn questions. I'm not sure what the general position is on cv-pls here during burninations, though.
 
@miken32 I typically wouldn't unless there's some reason I can't VTC it myself
Otherwise, they can typically be left for the queue
 
6:54 PM
 
@miken32 My take on that is here.
 
@richardec what's up with this edit here? stackoverflow.com/posts/5302709/revisions - it makes the title much worse.
 
user17242583
Oops, didn't notice that. That was AstroCB's userscript "removing tags from the title"... :P
 
7:40 PM
@miken32 it can be useful to alert users here if you have seeded the CV Queue with some questions of a burninating tag, e.g. "I have seeded some ~40 questions in the close vote queue if anyone has some votes to spare/burn"
that way you draw attention to questions needing closure under that tag, en masse, without having to post cv-pls requests here
 
@richardec Tags should only be removed from the title when they are not used naturally in the sentence. Something like "Tag: here is my question" or "My question - Tag" But not "When using tag I get this error"
@richardec It is usually better to rewrite the title to use tags naturally in a sentence than to remove them entirely. See Why is removing tags from the title suggested so often?
 
8:09 PM
sure
 
@tony19 is the JS tag on the question even relevant?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Did you mean to ask "why aren't there tags for what editor was used, which brand the motherbord is, and which size shoes the user was wearing at the time they wrote the code?"
 
8:24 PM
@VLAZ all that would likely be more relevant :) I am contemplating whether to edit it out before casting the vote
 
user17242583
@StephenOstermiller Yep, I understand that. This was a complete oversight; I didn't pay enough attention to the automation. I was in a hurry.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Legitimately - I don't know. I lack any expertise in the question. It's tagged Laravel, which I know is a PHP framework, but it mentions Laravel Jetstream which is probably a different thing (as a guess, SPA related). I don't know how JS or Vue are related. Or even if they could be related. Maybe Jetstream is something similar to Blazor in C# which can be compiled for SPAs, thus it produces JS.
 
@VLAZ apparently, Jetstream makes use of Vue.js from what I gathered - I lack expertise too, but something tells me the question problem is not JS-related at all
 
> The Inertia stack provided by Jetstream uses Vue.js as its templating language. Building an Inertia application is a lot like building a typical Vue application; however, you will use Laravel's router instead of Vue router.
BTW, there is where the wiki mentions it's Laravel Jetstream. But has no excerpt.
 
user17242583
9:08 PM
So no hints to What should I do when someone answers my question? when a new user someone probably doesn't know about what to do? e.g.
 
9:18 PM
@richardec They have accepted 5 of their 7 questions. They know what to do.
 
user17242583
@gre_gor Oh, I didn't notice that. Hmm...maybe I should be more observant... ;)
 
@richardec when they wrote that, they couldn't accept your answer. There's a 15-minute timer on that.
 
user17242583
oooops
 
user17242583
Sorry about that...wrong copy/paste
 
user17242583
Can someone delete that message?
 
user17242583
9:27 PM
@gre_gor And how about if a user is brand-new? stackoverflow.com/questions/72482151/…
 
@richardec FWIW it's generally a good idea to avoid telling users their actions will result in a suspension if you are not a moderator
I think they prefer to be the ones to decide who gets suspended
 
warnings of actions rarely have the intended effect, even more so when you have no ability to perform them, 😉
 
user17242583
Oh, okay. This was the second time so I wanted to warn the user in case they did it again.
 
The recommendation action is to just flag silently and let moderators handle any interpersonal disputes
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it can be difficult sometimes for sure
 
user17242583
9:31 PM
Okay, I'll do that from now on. I was actually trying to help the user, but I realize it might not be very helpful :)
 
FWIW, even moderators will almost never promise "if you do X, you'll be suspended." We want to leave room for discretion.
 
9:58 PM
Except spam. We promise to ban-suspend you if you post spam.
 
Do we like the closure of this no attempt question? stackoverflow.com/q/72474984/2943403
 
i can't wrap my brain around what they're asking for
 
@mickmackusa What details is it missing?
 
if you have an array fo values, [4,8,3,6,2,5,1,9], and you want to sort everything less than or equal to 5 ASC and everything greater than 5 DESC, where is the separator?
Which comes first, greater than or less than
it's one result set, you cant sort by both criteria equally, one must come first, particularly when you're sorting by the same characteristic
 
1,2,3,4,5,9,8
Ok, I agree, but that's a really small nitpick
 
10:14 PM
;)
otherwise i think it's generally an incorrect closure
i'd want to reach for a general "how do i use a sort function" dupe
but the criteria here is a bit weird and in need of a small response from the author
 
It feels like the closure is a mega-no-attempt downvote. I normally take issue when I can say "there are multiple basic techniques required", but ultimately there are very few basic techniques. It could use better clarity -- with a sample date that == today, I guess. I prefer an expression of the desired result.
 
an example of their intended result would immediately clear up the confusion
as would saying "sort ASC first"
 
I can certainly post a more elegant answer than all posted answers there.
 
but i guess one could simply provide both solutions, it's just moving one line above another or reversing a conditional
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
my initial thought on the question was that they wanted the current date in the middle, future dates in the end, past dates in the beginning, aka a simple asc sort.
and that they were just poorly describing their needs
 
10:29 PM
 
10:43 PM
@KevinB This puts the current date in the middle: 3v4l.org/kFp3m
 
 
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11:46 PM
@pppery Uh, there doesn't appear to be a link there
 
@HenryEcker Maybe it's a cv-pls for all links on the site? Close the cv-pls as too broad. ;)
 
Oops, sorry
 

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