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12:01 AM
@Vickel That only really works every time if content always got better, no? :)
 
@Scratte on your own post you are the SME, so yes, if you agree with the edit, your OP should be better now, otherwise object
^if you are not sure anymore, make it a WIKI
 
@Vickel How does one become an SME on meta? :) Other than I'm an SME on my own opinion, and no one else is :)
 
^ tags
 
So the higher tag score is better at stating my opinion? :D
 
@Scratte oh no :) I thought we're talking about SO mainsite questions
 
12:06 AM
@Scratte Yes! Apparently I'm an SME in . ;-)
 
@AdrianMole That page looks.. empty :D And.. you don't get tag scores from asking Questions.. which is what I see with "Why did I fail..." ;)
 
Maybe you need ?
Actually, on Meta I think you should get tag scores for questions.
 
@AdrianMole 6038 on main.. but none on meta :)
Anyway. I will not claim the proposal or question at all. Anyone can post it on meta. I'll be happy to read and comment on it ;)
 
If somebody posts a bug report on Meta that gets 100 upvotes, they should earn credit for . A CM who answers it will get all the credit.
 
Only if users vote on their Answer.
 
12:13 AM
They often do, though.
 
I'm not even sure it's something to brag about "I have a gold hammer in [bug], because I've answered a lot of them with 'Sorry, it's now fixed'" :D
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12:29 AM
@CodyGray Yeah, I'd recon not.
 
CKE
12:45 AM
Wonderful evening everybody. I have something to complain about but honestly, I think this is not the right place. Maybe you can point me in the right direction?
I was answering a question tagged as Javascript from a new contributor but his question got closed due to ...
I don't know - I wasn't fast enough to see the reason but the only comment said something like "way too much code posted, condense it". The OP tried to edit it and deleted it seconds after. I've seen questions with WAY more code and unrelated stuff inside and I actually think it's a shame to just close a question that could have easily have an answer or a hint in the right direction just because someone decided to do so.
 
@CKE There's really nothing we can do without more information (e.g. a link to the question). Anything we could say would be either just generalities or guesses.
 
@CKE: the only thing I've found to help avoid that situation is to be selective in which questions I choose to answer. The risk is greatest in questions from new posters, and in low-quality questions, questions likely to be closed by experienced users of the site.
@CKE: and I'm certainly not saying not to answer a newbie's questions, but look for question quality first and foremost. If it is a very low quality question, and especially from a new user, the risk is higher.
@CKE: you might want to look at this relevant meta Q/A, is it fair for a questioner to delete a question after several people have worked hard to resolve it on a similar topic
 
CKE
1:04 AM
@Makyen Sadly, the question vanished into a 404 and I don't remember the names of OP and the guy who wrote the comment :(
@HovercraftFullOfEels Guess you're right. It just felt very unfair to the new contributor and tbh I don't think it was that much of a low-quality question (at least it was code complete)
 
@CKE I can sympathize with your frustration. A quick closure is one thing (whether justified or not is not for me to say, without further details); however, if the OP then decides to delete their question, there is little or nothing anyone can do about it. Sometimes, you'll see a new question posted with 'suitable modification' - if that happens, I guess you're following the tag, so it's up to you to try again (or not).
 
@CKE: You may be right, but unfortunately none of us can evaluate it for ourselves and get back to you. Note that even if the question vanished into a 404, the URL address would be useful to those of us who are allowed to see deleted questions.
 
@CKE You can maybe use your browser's "back" button to get to the 404 page; then post that URL here, where the "big boys" will be ale to see the deleted post.
 
CKE
I can get the link easily using my history but I think I might be over-reacting at this point and honestly, I don't want to bother you "big boys" :) But honestly, I think the OP got "pushed out" - he thinks he's done something terribly wrong and therefore he just deleted his "shameful question"
Something I can relate to
 
That can happen. If a new user was 'abused' by over-enthusiastic close-voters, we (sometimes) like to know about it.
I'm not a JS expert, but that closure does look a bit on the over-enthusiastic side. Just a bit.
... the question could do with a bit of editing, but (as you seemingly thought, @CKE), it does seem answerable.
However, now that the OP has deleted it, we're in a bit of a different place than if it were deleted by others' votes. Rolling back to the 'real' question and making a few trims would (could) improve the question ... but I'm not sure it's our place/right to do that. Interesting.
 
1:23 AM
I think it starts with too much code and ends with too little. Given there's a codepen all that's really required in the question is the part which OP is having trouble with. But you can't figure that out without a deep dive into the code.
 
Note that the Q did get one upvote (if that even matters).
@Nick Yeah - the edit history is not especially encouraging.
 
Natty found this Answer, which is not NAA as far as I can tell. But is the link to their site OK?
 
@Scratte No idea why Natty took a bite at that one.
 
@AdrianMole Me either. Maybe it's having a crush on Smokey?
 
user10957435
@Scratte As long as they disclose their affiliation, it's generally fine--provided the link is actually useful.
 
1:29 AM
@Scratte Dogs and Smokey's weed - always a bad mix.
 
@Chipster I can't really tell as my browser does not autofill on that site :)
 
user10957435
:D
 
@CKE But, in summary: There are folks around (it needs three) who could vote to undelete that question. But then it would still be closed and would need editing in order to (possibly) reopen it. But, as I said before, I'm not sure we should be undeleting things the OP deleted (through their own choice).
 
@AdrianMole I've seen that happen a few times, and I have yet to see that work out very well for the author.
 
... I just wish there was an established way to 'reach out' to that OP, to try to explain what happened, so that they don't feel like SO is a site run by toxic old far*s.
 
1:35 AM
*faros :) Perhaps my spelling is off. What is the name of those old Egyptians that used to be kings of sorts?
 
@Scratte Agreed. It's normally done when the OP has 'abused' an answerer.
FARQS - Frequently Asked Reasonable QuestionS
 
English is so strange. That's pharaohs, no f's and lots of unnecessary letters :(
 
Maybe you're thinking of the Faeroes ... are/were they in/near Egypt?
... no unnecessary vowels in (Faeroese) Danish, huh?
 
Or perhaps the Faroes?
Which are actually Danish...
 
Part of the Kingdom of Denmark ... but not really Danish.
 
1:42 AM
@Nick Yes.. but then Adrian's * would have to accounts for two letters :)
 
... they even have their own money. And they're not in the EU.
 
@Scratte Well, in regex * means 0 or more...
But then I guess it would be 0 or more r's, so that doesn't work...
 
@AdrianMole The original Danish people are scattered all over Europe. The people that live in Denmark now are really swedes. Just don't say it to any Danish person unless you know them well, and know they are not culturally sensitive :)
 
hehe
The English had a few Danish Kings. I think Alfred the Great was a great-grandson of Cnut?
 
The entire story of this was used in jest in a debate about emigration. "The real Danes are just trying to get back to their home country" :D
@AdrianMole Knud? Cnut looks.. not danish :)
 
1:45 AM
Normally, we spell it Kanute - but yeah - the guy who tried to defy the tides.
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, definitely incomplete snippet. I think it's fine, and doesn't harm the answer.
 
CKE
@AdrianMole I know things run "out of control" when OP deleted his question and tbh I don't think reopening his question brings anything to the table. I was hoping he would post his (edited) question again to give me the opportunity to help him.
 
@CKE But therein lies the problem: With no other post, you can't even ping them.
@cigien The owner of the answer seems happy with my current edit, so I'll leave it be.
 
Sounds good.
 
CKE
However, you guys have at least improved someone's experience with SO - mine. So thank you very much for your welcoming answers here in the chat (I have never used before) :)
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1:48 AM
We're always happy to help. Please make all cheques payable to "Makyen!" ;-)
 
@AdrianMole Oh dear! Canute is not even pronounced like Knud. But that is the translated name :( That was.. a sad thing to come to know.
 
user10957435
@CKE We're always glad to help. Feel free to by anytime.
 
@tink The suggested target is incorrect, it only shows how to solve the problem with a regex. There are other ways to solve the OP's problem.
 
2:24 AM
@Scratte I was also completely off course with Alfred (he was way before Canute). King Harold (he with the arrow-in-the-eye) was maybe a descendant of Canute.
 
@AdrianMole I noticed the dates seemed to imply a timing problem there :) I think I have a little catching up to do. Didn't know about a king with an arrow in the eye. But it sounds very painful.
 
1066. The English know that date well (though few understand its significance). Battle of Hastings; Bayeux Tapestry; William the Conqueror (or Billy Conks as he's sometimes known).
... but, as a foreigner, your ignorance is excusable.
 
user10957435
Any C++ people know a good duplicate for this question? I don't think it's a bad question, but I'd be very surprised if it hasn't been asked before.
 
2:45 AM
@Chipster There are different dupes depending on exactly what the OP wants. I've asked them to clarify.
 
user10957435
@cigien Sounds good. Thanks.
 
3:31 AM
@cigien - how is that incorrect?
 
@tink As I said, the target shows how to solve it with a regex. But OP is looking for a way to do it with grep, and there are answers on that post showing how to do that.
The unix.se link is perfect. If there's an SO post like that I'll be happy to CV as a dupe.
 
He's using a regex with grep ...
he = the OP ... just because he didn't use the word regex in the subject doesn't mean it's not a good match. ` grep` - Its name comes from the ed command g/re/p (globally search for a regular expression and print matching lines), which has the same effect.
 
3:47 AM
@tink Ok, I see your point. I feel this answer for example answers the OP's question, and is not an answer to the target, so I'm not comfortable closing as a dupe of that.
 
It does. So does the answer to the dupe I'm pointing to. And in a way more efficient manner; anyone with an ounce of Linux sysadmin in their blood will prefer the one grep with a complex regex to 6 greps with a simple re each. But if you're uncomfortable with it - ignore it ;) ... someone else might come along who agrees with my assertion =}
 
Sure. Thanks for double checking, I appreciate it.
 
No worries. I'm all in favour of being checked up on; truth before pride ;)
 
Great :)
 
5:36 AM
!!/amiprivileged
 
@cigien ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
!!/whois admin
 
@cigien I am aware of 8 admins. Currently in this room: Makyen, tripleee. Not currently in this room: Undo, Andy, Thomas Ward, ArtOfCode, thesecretmaster, angussidney.
 
@Makyen I'd like to request SD privileges here please.
 
@cigien OK. That's something which tends to take a bit longer, as the procedure is to get consensus from the ROs. Just getting responses tends to take a indeterminate amount of time. I'll bring it up in the back room.
 
5:39 AM
@Makyen No rush whatsoever :) Thanks.
 
np
 
6:14 AM
@ppwater OP says they've solved their problem. So might as well close as No Repro.
 
Okay. thanks
 
6:28 AM
@oguzismail ack, thanks
 
@SurajRao Minor point, that post is 6 months old, so it's eligible for a cv-pls anyway. The NATO reason is not necessary here.
 
@cigien IIRC, adding "NATO" was requested by a moderator, but that was something like two years ago. I'm unsure if it remains desired, but it doesn't hurt.
 
Sure, it doesn't hurt. What's the rationale behind the moderators request?
 
Approach to handling non-English questions?
Any particular flag?
 
6:44 AM
@DaneBrouwer Yes, use Needs Details or Clarity. Once you have 3,000 rep, you can use a custom close reason.
 
@cigien Thanks!
 
np
 
7:12 AM
@Ruli tag:
 
@Ruli this is actually attempted spam (if you edit you can see the link they tried to insert) and should be flagged as such
 
Sorry im on my phone please remove my failed cv-pls request if possible @Nick
 
@Ruli I can't remove it, only an RO can
 
@rene please remove my request, its closed and I cant edit anyways
 
7:24 AM
@DaneBrouwer The information you received above from @cigien is good. For a more detailed explanation, please see: How do I deal with non-English content?
 
 
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@Makyen I'm here, awake and watching. You can sleep now ....
 
@rene Thanks. I am getting a bit tired. :)
 
I thought you would ;)
 
You have a schedule?
 
9:24 AM
No, biorhythm
 
 
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12:52 PM
^ can I rude flag that?
 
Go for it.
 
Ok :)
 
You can red flag any post. It's just that it will be declined if the post isn't a red-flaggable one ;)
 
Already? The shade disk on our flat earth is moving too fast some times..
 
1:06 PM
@Scratte I hear if you turn the disk into a sphere it spreads the time out over a greater surface so the nights are longer ;)
 
Just to confirm this is NAA right? They do attempt to answer the question. But "he problem fixed it self" isn't very useful. My doubt is whether this is flaggable or just downvote able?
 
@Yatin It seems to be an attempt at answering.
 
Ohk... i'll retract
 
The link-only answers reported by SD earlier were removed, the guy now posted three totally identical answers to three different posts: first, second
and third
while this might be fine and I am not react dev and can't judge correctly (got to this thread answered by @rene ), are there any thoughts about this exact case?
 
1:23 PM
@Ruli I don't think we can discuss that here...
 
@NathanOliver I think that's what they call seasons. During summer it's flat and during winter it beds, just like leafs, I guess :)
 
@Ruli just flag the answers for mod attention but I assume a automatic flag should have been raised already. It looks like to me as if all the questions are dupes but can;'t judge that. And indeed be careful with referencing or calling out users. That is not what we want to do here in this room.
The three identical answers is all the info we need to judge their validity
Also: I seem to have had opinions since 2016.
@Yatin it is indeed borderline about targeting a user. But I read it as an discussion about the posts, not about the user so I allow it here. is that okay?
 
Opinions aren't OK in here, though.
We want facts.
 
Okay... Thanks for the clarification @rene @AdrianMole :)
 
I was joking, BTW.
... opinions are much nicer, though, when pi isn't involved.
 
1:37 PM
Lol.
 
That's right, I'm innocent. I did nothing. You can't prove anything, man
 
^ Now you're being irrational (again).
 
@slackwing you like me to jump a few hoops to figure out who changed his name this time ;)
 
@rene of course I was not targeting the user, I was targeting the identical posts and what actions to take or not :) Hope my question was indicating that I am interested in posts and not the user. Sorry for late reply, had a call
 
1:47 PM
@Ruli Yep, your question was okay... I was wrong. Sorry about that
 
@rene - I'm new here, what do you mean? (;
 
@Yatin no problem, I am still a little bit confused with some posts, hopefully I'll learn to be good at moderation, until then, be critical and don't be afraid to teach me :)
 
@rene I already did :D
 
It would be the right thing to give up my RO-ship but that would also make me sad so for now I decided to be slightly more anonymous (: ... granted there isn't something obvious that makes it a dead giveaway.
 
I mean, you put it in your profile :D
 
1:57 PM
Yeah, but before people seemed to know by name. So one step removed.
This discussion also isn't helping this endeavor :p
 
@rene who are they?
A—— C—— 🤔
Found you :p
 
Lol. Alright nothing to see here move along folks.
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2:14 PM
@slackwing No hand waving? :(
 
@Braiam - Wavy hands are acceptable.
 
2:29 PM
Oh no! I liked your profile avatar before.. Not that purple blobs on the edges isn't pretty, but still.
I'll not say that anonymity doesn't have it's advantages, but my reaction when you popped in a few days ago was "How nice :) I always wondered if this user is ever going to be active here again"
 
They created the "here":)
 
@Yatin Purple blobs around the edges can be very versatile :)
I did open op the info on this room and noticed another funny oddity starting with "#Nasty".. :D
 
2:55 PM
@Scratte - I've become a little more purple around the edges with age. And thanks, but I guess it'll just be more of an easter egg then :)
 
Can a C++ SME check whether this why question is actually a dupe of this how target? I'm inclined to reopen, or swing it to point at this new question.
 
You need @NathanOliver for that ^
 
That would be nice. I don't want to ping specific users needlessly though. Nathan will see it when they see it.
 
@halfer That does not belong on Super user?
 
@cigien Personally I'm leaving it alone. To me the Why? is a red herring. We really can't know why the original interface doesn't support it or why it was never added, unless someone can find a rejected proposal. The How? shows how to get around it at least lets them move on from their problem.
 
3:07 PM
Heh.. I answered a "Why" once. Got a comment from a moderator saying something akin to: You didn't actually answer the why part :D
 
@NathanOliver I see your point. But the OP has made it abundantly clear they know How, and are specifically asking Why. And a rejected proposal would make a nice answer, and I don't know that one doesn't exist. I think it's a reasonable question. I'll reopen and swing targets around a bit, unless there's an objection.
 
@desertnaut that user may be relatively high-rep but they don't seem at all involved with moderation; votes, flags, and edits combined are under 600. So I would not put too much stock in their comments on what's appropriate for the site or not. At any rate, Cody replied as well in agreement with the closure, so if Cody and I agree you can be pretty confident that it was the right call ;-)
 
No objection from me.
 
@TylerH yes, only I had a 2nd similar (rude) comment from them in another question yesterday...
I don't doubt our call
 
3:19 PM
It's likely just that it's a common group of tags for them and they are annoyed at the missed opportunity to answer (or get rep). But that starts to get into focused discussion of a user and their motivations, which is best left alone :-)
 
@NathanOliver Ok, thanks for reviewing. I just realized I reopened a question to close with a different target, instead of just editing the list. Duh, wasted CV :(
 
@klutt Happy to take a look. Can you link/reply to the question that I cv-pleased?
 
@desertnaut What was up with the cross-validation/ML post rene brought up yesterday? By the time I saw the link, it was 404. Is it resolved?
 
@cigien there are a few users who, while they are receptive in re-directing their questions on other SE sites, are under the impression that - there is SO and SE; hence, instead of ending in, say, Data Science SE, they end up posting technical questions in... MSE
this is what happened
 
Ah, I see. No issues with the closure itself then. Unfortunate that they didn't land up at the right place. Thanks.
 
3:26 PM
given that, I am rather surprised that @rene felt necessary to ping me here - I mean, there was not any issue with the closure of the question itself
 
@desertnaut I don't remember the message exactly, I'll have to look for it, but I think rene might have been asking if we could help with migration.
!!/amiprivileged
 
@cigien ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
Awww, I thought we were friends.
 
@cigien it is pending in the backroom, give it 6 to 8 days
 
Haha, really? No issue with that of course. Why so long?
 
3:29 PM
!!/amiprivileged
 
@Braiam ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
I didn't remember :D
 
@cigien not all RO's visit the backroom that frequently and we have to agree on what to do. Those take time.
 
@rene Of course. I understand, take all the time y'all need. I appreciate it.
 
@desertnaut I was pondering if I it would be worthwhile to transform it in a site-recommendation request so that was why I requested your revisit. /cc @cigien
 
3:34 PM
@rene ok. I don't frequent MSE, and I am not even aware that such an option exists - hence the implied message was lost
 
@desertnaut Yeah, I didn't expect you to do that transform, I'm happy to do those if others provide me with enough text so I can write a reasonable answer. After your response I found this one wasn't worth our effort. We're all good.
 
4:02 PM
^ should be an edit
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I don't follow. The question is crystal clear, and narrowly scoped. Lack of effort is irrelevant. Unless there's a dupe for that, which there probably is, the question shouldn't be closed.
 
@cigien I agree with that.
 
@cigien Then vote no MCVE. What does "doesn't really work" mean? Why do they only need it to be in one line? Why are they stumped?
 
I agree too but I don't understand the obsession people have with "only one line of code"
 
@Yatin They like short concise code. Not boilerplate.
 
4:07 PM
@Yatin Lots of people nievly believe that more lines of code means you have a slower program, so they think one line of code that does foo must be the fastest way to do foo.
 
@Scratte I have seen people write horribly unreadable code just to make it "one line"
 
I expect they are "stumped" because they can't do it. Which is why they asked the Question.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I don't think that question needs an MCVE. Why do we need to see the OP's attempt to understand what they're trying to do? Also, why do we care "why" the OP wants to do something?
 
@Yatin Also, errors are really hard to find
 
@NathanOliver confoundingly, these people often attribute lines of code to productivity
 
4:08 PM
I also tend to see it used by a lot of people that do programing challenges as the more LOC's per minute they can write they "better" they are at completing the challenges.
 
@Yatin In this case.. it's not :) Writing a for loop probably looks "familiar" :) Probably faster though.
 
@TomerShetah I know nothing about Akka, but OP's question is about Scala, and the target suggestion is Java. The answers look different to me as well. Can you check please?
 
@Scratte The message was in general... not specific to that question in discussion. :)
 
@Yatin Oh. I see one Answer there using a for loop with no body. That's nice :)
 
4:41 PM
@TylerH (I manually reported this one) The article's author link takes you to this page which is the same name as the user, just with spaces.
Did a StackExchange search for "Visit this blog" and came back with some interesting results across the network :/
 
5:06 PM
 
6:27 PM
@cigien Let's discuss here, not in front of the OP. Your dupe proposal doesn't cover the dynamic management aspect.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Good point. And yeah, there's no dynamic allocation in that target. I'll look for a proper target, there must be one. I'd rather not close as typo.
 
@cigien The point for undefined behavior is Not reproducible. At least if it's not a question why a specific compiler had chosen to emit a specific machine code in a case (and even then I believe it's OT for SO).
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I didn't know that. Do you have some references? I found this just now, and it seems dupe closure is correct. I'm not sure why code with UB is No Repro.
 
@cigien No, no good reference, just my common sense.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Ah, I see. Yeah, questions with UB in the code are actually one example of where I think RTFM targets would be appropriate :p Anyway, I think the dupe closure with the target I suggested is appropriate. The array being dynamically allocated is not relevant to the UB, and the target covers it. I'll close it.
 
6:43 PM
We got UB question multiple times a week in the tag. I also 1st thought that stackoverflow.com/questions/2397984/… could be considered as a good dupe. Though the real point for such questions is, that the claimed behavior isn't reproducible just from standard code out of the box.
Thus I don't use it as a hammer anymore. It's better to explain the OP in friendly words, that asking why UB behaves like it does for them is futile.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ That's a separate issue, it's an RTFM target. The one I used is specific to how the OP is invoking UB.
 
@cigien Hammer it if you want to. I won't mind. I just tried to explain why I didn't, and preferred the close vote.
 
That's fair. Thanks for the help.
 
7:01 PM
@cigien Eh? Are we reading different questions? That discussion squarely centered on "close it".
BTW, panta was participant of that discussion.
 
@Braiam Yes, it did. I was clarifying how to close it. Who's panta? Is that πάνταῥεῖ?
 
:D yes. Panta Rei seems to be a transliteration of that phrase from Greek
 
Ah, I see. Thanks :)
 
7:41 PM
@Dharman no els meus pantalons
 
We want Santa, not Panta.
 
What does els mean?
NVM it's an article
 
@Dharman Hint: That's catalan.
 
@AdrianMole 🎅🎄🤶
 
Yeah, I searched for els. The other 3 words were obvious but I didn't know that Catalan puts an article with meus
 
7:46 PM
Σάντα - maybe?
 
@AdrianMole ..I think Άγιος Βασίλης breaks the pattern though.
 
@AdrianMole Αμφισβητήσιμο εάν αυτό λειτουργεί για το Ηράκλειο
 
Indeed! ??
 
But well, 'ole man, white beard :-D
 
Smokey report should probably be moved as a comment on an Answer, but I don't know if moderators can do that.
 
7:52 PM
 
@Scratte They can do that, yes. (if it's worth it)
 
8:04 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Yes, I believe it is. There's a comment on the Answer saying the link in it isn't good. Then someone else finds the time to make a new one.
 
 
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9:54 PM
@Georgy please note that 'no effort' is not a close vote reason, but rather a reason to downvote a post (if you choose). Please leave that commentary out of close requests in the future :-)
 
10:54 PM
Tables are live on SO! e.g. stackoverflow.com/q/65190487/1839439
 
@Dharman pretty tables, pity about the question!
 
11:23 PM
So.. I'm having great fun on meta, making a right mess in the comment section of a post. Then I figured, I should probably stop now and hit the "automatically move this discussion to chat?" which first just gave me a pop-up saying "null" in white with a nice red background. Of course if the first time doesn't work, you just press it harder the next time, but that just takes me to the top of the page.. anyone know what's up with that?
It does add a nice little # to the end of the url in the address bar.. ?!?
 
@Scratte needs MRE :)
 
11:39 PM
@Vickel You mean despite the fact that my explanation was quite thorough, you cannot reproduce it? :)
 
@Scratte I tried, clicking double-hard, but nothing showed...
 
I think I know what the problem is. I didn't click it in time, so it's no longer valid. I'm sure a flag has been raised and a cherished moderator is going to be so happy about moving my awesome messages into chat :D
@Vickel lol! I have no idea why people do that either. I just know they do :)
Ahh.. a moderator came :)
 
@Scratte some folks might be used to lousy hardware... a really strong push/click/hit could eventually trigger the expected result ?
^ It is like the feeling that you need to touch a running motor-chain saw with your hand, to make sure it's working
 
Not sure that's the problem. I think it's the actual versus expected result that's the problem.. and we've not been able to rise from our basic instincts at all. So instead of just thinking about it, our first reaction is to use force. It works well when trying to climb a rock or dig potatoes out of the ground :)
@Vickel lol! At least one only makes that mistake once..
 
@Scratte with that very hand, but most humans have a second one
 
11:57 PM
I've mostly missed with a manual saw only.. :) Not yet with power tools. Drills don't count, right?
 

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