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10:00 PM
What happens if somebody just rolls back the tag edit and rejects the suggested edit on the new tag? Does that make it go away?
... I'm out of edit reviews for today, alas.
 
@bad_coder I had a colleague that was always wearing shorts. In the office, in meetings with customers.. always.
 
@AdrianMole It makes the tag orphaned and therefore roombable, IIRC
 
@JohnDvorak That's quite tricky. There was a recent meta post about a tag like that. If it's a valid programming topic, the tag is valid as well. The number of users is not really relevant.
 
So: Værsgo
 
Værsgo? What did you give? :)
 
10:04 PM
@JohnDvorak Is just not a practical language.
Once we find a question where it's used in a practical way we may decide, but for now, no such question has been asked.
 
It's a phrase I've loved ever since I visited your fine country. Sounds just right (and easily understandable to an English-speaker). I only just now bothered to figure out how to spell it.
 
@cigien the number of users is relevant to any tag. Joke language, or not. If you go find that enough SO users are experts in modding motorcycle firmware, go ahead and create the tag. Until then, despite being a programming topic, it is not notable enough to warrant a tag.
If homemade tamagochis make a big boom, we'll have a tamagochi tag on SO. Until then, nah.
 
@AdrianMole Oh. Yes, it's a nice word in just a word. I don't think there's an equivalent word in English.
 
Something most people don't know: tags are to serve the answerers, not the askers ;D
 
@Scratte According to the infallible Google, it means either there you go or here you go.
@Braiam Who are these "most people?"
 
10:07 PM
@AdrianMole It can also mean please. If someone asks permission, you can use it. Like if I ask: Can I ask a question? You can reply with "please" in English, no?
 
I guess it's one of those "general words" - every language has them, and always difficult to translate exactly.
 
@Braiam No. They're to serve me when I do a search :)
@AdrianMole It can also be used if people are waiting to start something, like dinner. Then the host can say "Værsgo" to mean to stop waiting and just start eating :)
 
@Scratte I would never need anyone to tell me that! (Unless I were dining with Royalty, of course.)
 
@JohnDvorak Creating a tag is different, and I agree with your view on that. But in the comment I was replying to, you mentioned removing a tag, and that has different criteria. If the tag was created even for a single question, and the tag is never used again, the tag can still stay.
 
@AdrianMole Well, in my country it's considered rude to start eating until you've been told you can start. Generally you can't start until everyone has been served. And even so, you wait for the host to give the cue :)
 
10:11 PM
How do you ever eat alone then? ;)
 
@cigien sauce?
 
Well, in my country, I'm considered rude. ;-P
 
@AdrianMole most that discuss tags and when to create them ;)
 
@cigien I only need to "værgso" myself ;)
 
@Braiam Hehe - Touché.
 
10:13 PM
@Scratte Hmm, please keep the transcript clean, that's NSFW ;)
 
@Scratte At least us Brits can spell it correctly!
 
I think you guys need to go out more :D
 
Yep - but we can't.
 
@JohnDvorak What's POB??
 
Plain Old Bulls**t**?
 
10:16 PM
@bad_coder Primarily Opinion Based, because spelling out opinion based it too much hard work on your fingers ;)
 
It's called OB now, but I do think as an abbreviation, POB is still clearer
 
What more focus does this question need?
 
OK, I've been seeing it around SOCVR and wondering...
 
@Dharman What Q?
 
The last request obviously
 
10:17 PM
@Dharman maybe it needs 1h45m until I get moar CVs :D
 
OK - quite a long way back.
 
@Dharman you are right - it should be unclear. One example does not a spec make.
 
I don't get it. Why is it unclear?
 
Wait, what question are y'all talking about?
 
@cigien The last request obviously
 
10:19 PM
^ that
 
Upon reread there does seem to be a specification...
 
Oops, sorry, wasn't paying attention. Yeah, that question is fine. Downvotable, but no good close reason.
 
Seems a tad harsh. But also why 7 downvotes?
 
Now the best close reason becomes a dupe of the supercanonical.
 
@AdrianMole I think it was at 5 very recently.
 
10:21 PM
I would understand it being a duplicate, but it's quite clear and focused for me
 
In general, give me the regex questions have very limited applicability beyond what is already provided by earlier questions
 
Yeah, it just got DownVotes. SOCVR effect. I'd vote to reopen, but the regex watchers have opinions about that.
 
Is it because people don't bother searching, they just ask a new one... just like in every other tag?
 
It's considerably worse in regex from what I can tell.
 
Why?
How can it possible be worse than mysqli?
 
10:23 PM
because it's harder to make an underspecified question
 
Harder to find what you're looking for.
 
@JohnDvorak All I can say (not being an JavaSkreept or RegEx SME) is that duplicates should be close as such. Not for any other reason.
 
you can't provide too little code if you aren't required to provide code
 
I always find what I am looking for in Regex
 
@AdrianMole that had become impossible once two 2b votes had been cast.
 
10:24 PM
I'm surprised the first close-voter didn't use their hammer on that. They're not normally shy.
 
^^^
Even I could find a dupe for that.
 
Which is strange that OP could not find a dupe for that
 
It's a funny old place, this Stuck Overflow stuff.
 
@Dharman I though one went to charcoal to get the answers to regex's :)
 
You've already eaten my last CV, so you'll just have to wait.
 
10:31 PM
I'm a horrible regex'er.. so now I'm trying to work out how the answer works. This post is very useful to me :)
 
... but I got an extra delete-vote [@Scratte - for the record] yesterday!
 
@Dharman Thee's a canonical for that. Actually, scratch that, no mcve is better here.
 
Yes, but I haven't got a hammer and the post is missing MCVE
 
If I had a hammer ...
 
@Dharman Yeah, agreed. Though I'd suggest a dupe closure even with no hammers around, I prefer that when appropriate.
 
10:34 PM
Well, there's another conundrum. If it's missing an MCVE, how d'ya know it's a dupe?
 
That canonical is used for cases similar to that. It's the moral equivalent of the debugger target to some extent, but Java SMEs use it quite frequently.
 
Even so, if it's no MCVE, then it's not a dupe.
 
Sure, I agree with that.
@AdrianMole I have a dream: getting a hammer :) Only 2 people have ever done it, and no one else is really close. By my estimate I could get there within 2 more C++ language revisions :) So about 6-7 years.
 
The whole "duplicate closure" issue is a weird area, and one in which I can only offer opinions. As others here have recently discovered. IMHO, closing a question as a dupe should only be done for those that are otherwise good questions. There's no "shame" attached to it.
 
@AdrianMole How do you got those?
 
10:39 PM
@cigien [language-liar] would probably be easier.
@Scratte One extra vote every 1k rep ... up to a maximum of 30 per day (at 35k rep).
 
@AdrianMole That's way too many for any single user :(
 
I have 18 per day, just now. Unless I do a lot of LQP reviews, or Dharman is especially active in here, I seldom use them all. But it's nice to have them in the repertoire.
 
@AdrianMole Well.. no wonder all those good posts on the list on meta was deleted so fast. 5 a day should be max.
 
@Scratte Again, mixed feelings. I would gladly exchange 10 of my daily delete votes for an extra 10 close votes.
 
Hmm.. I'd lower the close votes to 30 :D
 
10:44 PM
^ Shush, now. Or you'll be kicked.
 
@Scratte No offense, but I find it a little annoying that you keep saying "all those good posts" but have not yet responded to my requests for your list of such posts.
 
Not sure that's a kicking offence :)
@cigien I can't. They're gone. I can't see them. And I have already voiced my opinion to you, so what would it change?
 
But, as a <3k user, you get (up to) 100 close flags per day. I only get 50 close votes. I would like, after 50 CVs, to have (up to) 50 more flags available - I could do far more reviews, with those in my arsenal.
... seems inconsistent, to me.
 
@Scratte In which case, on what are you basing your opinion that the posts are good? If it's second hand information, then you seem to be selecting sources of information that only confirm what you already believe to be true.
 
@AdrianMole Most days.. like today my flag count looks like this
@cigien I went to some of them before they were deleted. The SQLite one was undeleted.. I mentioned that on your post.
 
10:49 PM
@Scratte But you are the SO User equivalent of a (null-pointer) exception. Others (like Jeanne) regularly use 100 flags in review queues. I don't mind this, at all, but it just seems odd that they can review/close 100 posts but I can only do 50.
 
@AdrianMole They can't. They can only ask for you to close them. That's what the flag does. It says "Pretty please.. take a look at this and close it."
 
@Scratte Indeed you did, and thank you for that. It's still not much of a list but it's better than nothing. I didn't know if this affects your opinion on the SQLite post, but a mod stepped in and closed it as off-topic, and locked it.
 
@cigien It upset me!
 
Indeed. But, after I've used up my 50 CVs, in review, why can't I continue reviewing with my "Vote-to-Close" privilege reduced to "flag" level, like others can? Doesn't work like that, though.
 
@AdrianMole Yes, well.. at the moment, I'm going to have to downvote 20 Answers before I can start taking Natty for walks again. The whole not being able to opt out is really irritating.
 
10:53 PM
@Scratte Your 2k level doesn't affect flagging in any way that I am aware of. What's the issue there?
 
@Scratte That's understandable. I'm sorry to hear that. Has it affected your views in any way though? Or are you still convinced it's on-topic? Nothing wrong with that, I'm just curious. Also, for what it's worth, ELU thinks the SQLite post is POB as well. Not proof, but some evidence that such posts are not really suitable for any of the SE sites.
 
@cigien for the record, Scratte is never annoying. (That might be a wrong impression until you get to know him.)
 
@cigien What's on/off topic for ELU and what's on/off topic for SO are seldom correlated.
 
@bad_coder Duly noted :) I'm probably just being sensitive. It's been over an hour since my 4:20 medication, so that might explain it ;)
 
@AdrianMole Every time I open op a "From Review" link, I get a review.. not a situation report. So I'll either have to save the link and open it up in a different browser, get firefox and spend time figuring out how containers work, if firefox even stays non-crashing on my system, or.. downvote 20 Answers to get back to 1999
 
10:55 PM
@bad_coder Can I go "Robert Harvey" on that one? ;-)
@Scratte But you can flag outside the review. If you got to the comment, then you already got to the post.
 
@AdrianMole That's fair. I suspect I'm using that example just to bolster my own argument, even though it's not warranted. Sorry about that.
 
What review queue(s) do you get at 2k rep? I thought that was only Edits and H&I.
 
@cigien I was not sure of it's on-topicness. Then Cody turned up and I was easily convinced that it was OK. Now.. I'm just upset that people decided to destroy it out of opinion and not out of it's usefulness to users. Not themselves. And as others noted, the main post on that thread was about how to pronounce delphi. I have no words for the irony.
 
@cigien Apology ignored (because it's unnecessary).
 
no comment 🤐
 
10:59 PM
@bad_coder I didn't even notice. Did someone say I was annoying? :D
 
That was a sockpuppet, I swear ;)
 
@cigien don't worry about it, this room is friendly all around. Assuming good intentions in here is the natural ambience.
 
You just mis-spelt fiendly
 
@cigien I don't know what ELU is. I've seen the abbreviation before, but I figured that if someone doesn't want to be informative enough to spell it out, I probably don't need to check up on it ;)
 
@Scratte Click on the link right next to the abbreviation.
 
@Scratte must have been me, Scratte we love you :) your participation is always welcome.
 
@AdrianMole Suggested Edits, Low Quality Posts and Help & Improvment.
 
I've been meaning to be more active on ELU for a while, but I keep getting distracted.
 
@AdrianMole another pun, I had never seen that one. Brilliant :)
 
@Scratte Ah, OK - I forgot about LQP.
 
11:04 PM
Well.. that English Language & Usage doesn't find it fine is probably because it depends on culture. Programmers would probably also know better than people that just speak English.
 
@cigien I looked around there for a while but decided they didn't really want anyone who actually knows the language. They'd much rather argue about stuff.
 
Oh, that's a shame. I've definitely seen some good Q&As there though.
 
@AdrianMole My general way when I notice a post it in the queue it to load the tab next to the post or the sentinel tab. I'm not happy to have to split it up with sentinel, and the post in one browser, and the review in a completely different one. I usually do it when users are trying to delete a post that's not suppose to be deleted.
 
Not disagreeing. I guess it depends on your POV.
 
@cigien may I ask what country you are from? (Don't feel any need to answer out of privacy if you would rather not. I'm just curious.)
 
11:06 PM
@Scratte But, if you're following Natty reports, or some such, you don't need to even click on the comment. If it's NAA, then flag it.
 
@AdrianMole I do.. when it's fine and I notice someone flagged it.
 
... but, if you have LQP, then use it. IMHO, it's probably the most abused review queue. There are so many posts in there that you would (I'm sure) vote as "Looks OK" ... and then you're doing something that matters to you.
 
When I take on a report I just follow it to the end, so to speak. I have a feeling about when fine posts are being flagged.
 
Dang, some folks in this room make an excellent conversation, I should be doing something else but this crowd is so engaging :)
 
@bad_coder There are various things I don't want to share. The name given to me at birth for example :p But I don't mind sharing this. I'm Indian, from Goa specifically.
 
11:09 PM
@AdrianMole But.. I don't edit. So no, not a good solution. And clicking "Looks OK" comes with a suspension, so not doing that either.
 
@cigien You are from Goa? So you know about the Portuguese?
 
You don't have to edit a "code only" answer that gets there. Just add a (canned) comment and click "Looks OK."
 
@bad_coder Haha, other than the fact that they ruled us for 450 years? Not too much, why? Are you Portuguese by any chance?
 
@Scratte LQP is very different from Triage - even though (one of) the buttons may have the same label.
 
@AdrianMole The entire forcing reviewers to close "No effort" post or else they get suspended has made me seriously re-think if I ever want to review anything again. I feel that if I do, I'm part of the problem. Then I'll participate knowing that I'm making things even worse.
 
11:11 PM
@cigien "rule" is a somewhat strong word...I'm interested in that period of history in that part of the world. A lot of the history is undocumented and still being researched.
 
But you care. So curate. That's how it works.
 
@cigien well that's a real problem, I've never stated what my nationality is in this room and I would rather not say.
 
@bad_coder Of course you don't have to say. If I wanted reciprocity on that, I would have made it clear. No worries at all :)
 
LQP is 99.99% answers. Most are 50:50, so I skip. But some (code-only) should never have been sent there - and I know you agree with me on that. So use your new-found power.
 
@bad_coder That's cool. I actually thought the history of that region of the world was relatively well-documented.
 
11:14 PM
@AdrianMole I don't feel that it does work. I feel that no matter what I do, no change for the better will come. The delete posts on meta and the suspensions if one goes by the guideline and not enforce the "no effort" rule seems to be directly opposite of what I'd like this site to be.
 
@cigien nor really, the history of the southern Indian kingdoms during the 16th century is hard to understand. Especially because it's unclear what role the foreigners played during that period.
 
And it's making me want to be part of it a lot less.. I'd rather go upvote horrible posts and make it harder to remove them, than to help get rid of them, because then maybe the OK stuff can stay.
 
The only Meta posts I've seen (recently) about LQP is for those who send things there that shouldn't be. If you get suspended for one of those (even by way of an audit), you know where to ping me.
... as you have supported me, in the past, so I will reciprocate.
 
@bad_coder For sure. Especially because most of the "foreigners" eventually integrated, sometimes peacefully, sometimes not so much. Definitely difficult to untangle.
 
@cigien out of curiosity (and this may seem eccentric) I'm interested in Indo-Portuguese furniture and design...
 
11:18 PM
@AdrianMole It's the Question closures that started to bother me. Of course deleting them is even worse. The last one was the correcting Answer that also got killed. It was posted on meta today.
@AdrianMole Did I? I can't remember that :)
 
@Scratte Try to separate things you can't change from things you can change. In LQP, someone with your vision can make a real difference.
 
@bad_coder That's cool. Do you like the oyster shell windows? They're one of my favorites. And stupid expensive to replace.
 
@AdrianMole I have to see the whole picture. Looking at just one post is not what Stack is about.
So what if users delete Why is processing a sorted array faster than processing an unsorted array?? Stack will survive. But something will be lost. Every time.
 
Then take a few "short trips" through LQP (skipping, if you will). See what the rest of us are up against. Maybe you'll get an injection of curation-fervour.
 
I've been through 30,000 posts in review already. I'm pretty sure I know what the deal is :)
 
11:22 PM
Each queue has its own quirks. LQP is not one of my favourites, as it happens, but it may suit your style. Please: At least try.
 
@cigien Yes!! Simply incredible!!
 
@AdrianMole Hmm.. I'm on a review suspension until 2022 :D
 
whaddeffer
 
I have considered parking this account completely. Just to get rid of the privilege to review the Low Quality Posts queue.
I can't tell my browser to lie to Stack when I load a review. I did search a bit, but it seems to not be possible.
 
Well, now you're in Squiggly-Squirrel territory, and that's where I can never win a debate. But don't stop contributing, in you own special way, please.
 
11:28 PM
With a new account, I'll have to gain the first 50 reputation points first :) But.. the problem with that is that it would probably be best to never vote with that.
 
@Scratte I'm with Adrian on this, but I have to read up on your thought process.
 
Squirrels don't think - they just know.
 
@Scratte I wasn't aware of this. You mean "homework without a try" questions?
 
@Scratte Really? How did you manage that?
 
@bad_coder No. When it's obviously homework, then there's a guideline that covers that in the help center. When it's a HowTo it's a different matter entirely and I'm not happy about those being closed with "Needs focus"
@cigien It's self-imposed.. I'd consider blocking all the buttons, but I don't really need to as I'm not inclined to load the reviews that I can review. Well.. until I hit the 2K mark :(
 
11:33 PM
@Scratte Oh, I see. I didn't know squirrels hibernated for that long ;)
 
@Scratte tough issue, I've been on the CV queue and some of those could only be answered by addressing an overwhelming number of technicalities. Just considering the question takes 5-10 minutes and you're left thinking:"I wouldn't gain much from this even if I needed it."
 
@cigien We're stubborn to a fault.. few people can change our minds :)
@bad_coder Those are not the ones I'm talking about :) Here's one.. though not the best example.
 
@Scratte can you link a previous description given in the chat?
@Scratte gets my reopen vote, I think it's a straight question with a clear use case (and the solution isn't overwhelming nor confusing.)
 
I got stuck on the solution.. It took me quite a while to work out why it works :D
 
11:39 PM
@bad_coder I didn't mean to make you do that though :)
 
@Scratte now, if it were:"Write my app" I'd say that does need focus.
 
@bad_coder Yes, I've flagged quite a lot of "I'd like to make a website like Facebook. Where do I start?". I think I've made a few comments with "I don't think Stack Overflow is the best place to start :)"
But I've learned that Charcoal is a good place to learn about regex ;)
 
@Scratte that tag is a particularly unfriendly one...
 
@Nick I answered a Question there once. Then.. it got deleted :D
 
@Scratte admittedly, I was fluent in regex a few years ago...From what I recall there might be internal reasons to regex that make that a bad question (like the heuristic not being solid), that don't allow for a straight deterministic reason. In such a case a good demonstration of "why thinking in those terms doesn't apply" would make for a good answer before closure. But I'd deffer to the SME's.
 
11:47 PM
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men squirrels do nothing. [Edmund Burke, ca. 1750.]
 
@AdrianMole that quote has many attributions with Napoleon being one of the supposed inventors.
 
Bonaparte - Shmonapart. It was the Irishman!
 
@AdrianMole Ahh.. but I haven't. I've spoken my mind.. a lot. But I don't think it's actually changed anything.
 
You "talk-the-talk" so "walk-the walk".
 
@Scratte yeah, I think <strike>twice</strike> twenty times before answering there. And I wouldn't dream of asking a question...
 
11:50 PM
@bad_coder There's a xkcd about explaining what a regex does, but I don't think I can find it :)
 
@Scratte if it weren't for your participation I would probably have withdrawn from engaging on SO...
 
.. You can change things by being "controversial" in your reviews, even if that involves some personal pain. D'ya think George Washington didn't have misgivings? Or Dr. M. L. King? What would the world be like, if they'd have stayed shtum?
 
How do I get strikethrough in chat?
 
Three hyphens.
 
@AdrianMole Interesting thinker, in every aspect coming from a divided background.
 
11:54 PM
@Nick strike ---strike--- :)
 
@Scratte thanks
 
What am I? Chopped liver?
 
@AdrianMole It's the wine ;)
 
@AdrianMole you didn't reply to my message so I didn't notice it... sorry!
 
@Scratte IMO a close there is reasonable. The OP doesn't specify what should be done when there are no ., ! or ? characters in the input. What should be done in that case substantially affects what code should be written.
 
11:55 PM
@bad_coder Really?.. Hmm.. that's a bit surprising. But thanks :)
 
@AdrianMole thanks!
 
Ah - With some falafel beans, and a nice Chianti!
 
@Scratte mmmm, my view has been changing as I graduate through the review queues. There's a strong organic reason to how things go on SO, if you start getting fed up with reviewing you start getting a more accurate sense of "focus".
@Makyen good point. @Scratte, notice these words of wisdom.
 
@AdrianMole I'm pretty sure one of those would have lived to fight another day.. less voicy.
@Makyen I'm assuming.. nothing.
 
@Scratte "assuming" :(
 
11:58 PM
@Makyen Well. If there is no end in a .?! then don't remove anything, since only remove everything after the last .?! To me, it's not unreasonable to make that assumption.
 
@bad_coder The 'learning curve' on SO is quite odd. When you first hit each review queue, there's a "buzz" and then, at some point, you're likely gonna hit too many "Stop! Look! Listen!" banners. So you calm down, wait a while, and become better at dodging the audits. Then, maybe, sometime later (if you get very active in reviews), you'll get a moderator slamming you for being 'careless'. It's a long, tricky process; but all I can say, from my own "route history," is that it works.
 

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