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12:07 AM
 
@Braiam Maybe you forgot to read How to not be a spammer that very clearly states at the top "The community here tends to vote down overt self-promotion and flag it as spam. Post good, relevant answers, and if some (but not all) happen to be about your product or website, that’s okay. However, you must disclose your affiliation in your answers." <-- I'm the bolder.
 
12:38 AM
@Dharman That’s gold. I would have upvoted it, if it weren’t deleted
 
 
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3:31 AM
NATO looks like plagiarism of this (Guttenberg report from SOBotics), what do people think? Worthy of a mod flag? Also should one of the questions be closed as a dupe? they seem identical...
 
4:13 AM
Meh, sorry for the mess...
 
5:43 AM
@Nick I was going to say yes to both, then I realised that the older one's link is the same as from this answer given 2 years before. This one repeats the link... Both questions look as technical support. They can be closed as duplicates IMO, I am not sure about the order
I think it is plagiarism
 
6:03 AM
I don't know which one to vtc as a dupe of the other... it looks like the location of the settings has moved so perhaps it's appropriate to close the older one as a dupe of the newer?
 
6:41 AM
Is it Ok to give a link to your free app to download as a part of the solution?
 
6:54 AM
Generally yes, if it's relevant, the answer says it's yours, and you're not spamming it across a bunch of questions as your only contributions.
 
7:14 AM
@RyanM Oh, good, thank you :)
 
Is this NAA?
 
@Scratte At least the question's not openly asking for recommendations and the accepted answer also doesn't provide one. The link's not even the full name of the library.
 
@JeanneDark Yeah.. I never feel confident with those library links. One can argue that if the link dies, there's still the name left.. or something.
 
@Scratte In this case the library's name in the url is different from the generic link description ("DropDown library"). But it's tricky, although I would lean towards NAA.
But this is really NAA, isn't it? "I think C++ has better functionality with regards to updating function parameters, which is very useful for computational purposes." (answering a question)
 
7:32 AM
@JeanneDark Couldn't it just be answering another Question on the site? Heh.. I think it's just stating it's opinion on another language.
 
@Scratte The only kind of question this could be answering would be something along the lines of "Which one's better? C++ or ...?" which would be primarily opinion-based. It doesn't even name or describe that functionality.
 
@JeanneDark But moderators do not have context when looking at the Answer.
 
I will play it safe and not flag it
 
I imagine you have a 100% accuracy :)
 
8:15 AM
@JeanneDark it is an answer to a question. (You basically need to play Jeopardy). Therefor it can't be NAA. See also one of my meta answers on that topic: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/400872/578411
 
@rene Thanks, I just thought of Catija's answer which kind of points in a different direction. And also quoting your answer "But it is an answer to the on SO on-topic question..." and that post is not an answer to an on-topic question (but a POB one). But in the end, I didn't flag it so I agree with you. It is not NAA enough to be NAA.
That post is now gone, btw.
 
@JeanneDark I've found that to not be an indicator that a flag would have been marked helpful. But that someone or multiple people still found the post not useful :)
There are many posts on meta about "My flag was declined, but the post/comment was deleted" :)
 
Yes, because downvotes and delete votes are the right tools, not NAA flags (unless the post is NAA).
 
We just outsource our delete votes :D
 
8:32 AM
^ ^ ^ tp
 
9:06 AM
@rene That answer is written as if they want it to sound as spammy as possible
 
@DavidBuck yep, that is what I thought.
 
Everything is a field? Or the world is a spread sheet? Maybe gravity is just some programmer's off-by-one implementation.
 
plausible
 
Ooops.. :)
 
 
10:24 AM
@JeanneDark I have no idea what that question really wants or how the OP expects to get any sort of useful answer
 
@DavidBuck The same for me. Java seems to be involved so Ii didn't flag as off-topic and just went with needs details or clarity (although I strongly suspect it's actually off-topic).
 
@JeanneDark I voted for Needs Details as there doesn't seem to be an answerable question, but I'm sure you're right that it would end up as off-topic if those details were supplied.
 
11:11 AM
Hi Every body,
i asked the question and it was very clear but some user closed it would you please take a look, he/she down voted for unclear reason, can not undrestand my question and asked me to delete old one an i opened new one, but immediately closed it !!
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64191982/can-not-get-the-table-structure-in-mysql-8-0-21
 
@Mohsen Some very experienced SO members seem to have given you a lot of constructive feedback and attempted to help you. The rules of this room are that you cannot ask for action to close or open any question that you are involved in. As you have edited it since it was closed, your question will be in the reopen review queue and will be considered for reopening there.
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11:26 AM
@DavidBuck Thanks So much
 
11:38 AM
Sigh... two upvoted answers already to that one...
 
 
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12:50 PM
Is a tag wiki suggested edit reject-worty if the text has been plagiarised and there's just a link to the source? example
 
@double-beep No, including the link to the source of the site it's perfectly fine. Way better than nothing at least.
 
 
1:59 PM
What is this? Hardly an answer, but maybe even worse?
 
Ubuntu questions are off-topic here right? stackoverflow.com/questions/64195413/… (I'm just thinking that that question is asked here specifically because we fail to close some other Ubuntu questions (what is , anyway?))
 
@JeanneDark I think they just don't know how it works. I flagged it NAA.
 
@JeanneDark Looks like just a comment of a user who thinks that the site is like a forum. Not really spam, but definitely NAA.
 
Thanks! I agree with NAA, just wasn't sure if it might be spam
 
At least they know the deal now.. :)
 
2:13 PM
@JeanneDark debugging details? Why not the typo close vote reason?
That code looks like a complete example already.
 
Lack of description, it's basically just a code dump asking others to debug it
But if it's better closed as typo, I won't complain!
 
Not sure what's going on with this python post. The author seem to posted two Answers. One an obvious NAA, but I'm not sure about the other.
 
Not sure about this one. The code looks clear enough for me.
The only complaint (except the typo) is that the user didn't post the exact error message.
 
@user202729 It should be useful to future visitors. See for example Why is “Can someone help me?” not an actual question?.
 
if someone wants to start a server they would probably be able to search for it. it's not a super-specific question that nobody else will do.
That having said, it's not very relevant because nobody is going to make a typo.
 
 
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3:43 PM
@cigien Hehe - seems like I 'stole' your tick ... but you done went and stole it back agin! (No problem, BTW!) ;-)
 
Can this still be considered somewhat of an answer?
 
@AdrianMole Looks like you got it back :) And I agree with the OP :)
 
@cigien It's a funny ol' world.
@JeanneDark I saw that one and couldn't quite bring myself to flag it as NAA. (I think I've been overly influenced by Scratte?)
 
@AdrianMole Afraid of a declined flag?
 
@JeanneDark Flag statistics are, after all, far more valuable than mere Unicorn Points! :)
 
3:51 PM
I flagged it as NAA, because it is NAA :)
 
@Vega Not my field of expertise ... but I couldn't see anywhere in the other answers where ~input occurred.
 
Input yes, not ~input. They had a 'typo' and realised that :focus ~ input is not correct. BTW, it would not make sense if they target input on focus
 
So in essence it is unrelated to the question? The question just happened to contain an example of how to write :focus.
 
@JeanneDark That answer is for a typo question they never asked
 
4:07 PM
Thank you!
 
 
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5:33 PM
@AdrianMole That looks like spam. The extension was written by the poster.
 
@khelwood Possibly, but I can't see any obvious evidence to that effect. Can you shed some light into my dark mind?
 
@AdrianMole Click on the link, go to "authors", click on that link, and the author's name is the same as the poster.
 
@khelwood Well spotted! You clearly have a bigger shovel than I do!
^ I have changed my flags on both of those posts from NAA to spam.
I can't retract my delete votes, but I guess they won't do any harm.
 
@AdrianMole As long as the spam flag is acted on before they're deleted.
 
@Makyen (or other RO) Can you please remove this del-pls request? (Now known to be spam!)
 
5:46 PM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
Murky Buckets!
^ I mean, Merci Beaucoup, obviously.
 
 
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We are currently offline for maintenance
... very short spell of maintenance, that one!
 
If I edit a closed post, is it automatically placed in the reopen queue? How about if I retag it only?
 
7:42 PM
@bad_coder You have to edit the body. Retags, as far as I know, does not put a post into the reopen queue.
@AdrianMole Heh.. I didn't expect that :)
 
@Scratte Ok thanks, I was confused about that...Fortunately the reopen queue doesn't look like it gets much action.
 
@Scratte Do the Danes have word for "sarcasm?" (The Welsh certainly don't!)
 
@bad_coder Fortunately? :)
@AdrianMole Yes, we call it: sarkasme. I'm utterly disappointed now :D
 
@Scratte The words etymology is actually Greek.
 
Also.. I think we use it a lot more than most other nations. I often get misunderstood by people because I just can't hold it back :) As in "At least it's not raining" when there's hail :)
 
 
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I think one of my flags is in limbo :( I raised a NAA on Answer that's gone, but the flag is still pending?!?
Does anyone know it it will age away?
 
🤷‍♂
 
Is there anything I can do?
 
@Scratte I'm sure it will be declined eventually
 
I did raise a another flag on a post that was deleted the same instant I raised the flag, which was a bit weird.
@AndrasDeak Very funny :(
 
9:10 PM
:(
 
maybe I should stop flagging stuff and see (read: hope) if it goes away..
 
@Scratte For at least the one I saw (I didn't look for more than one), you appear to have raised it in the same second that the post was deleted, but apparently after the deletion. I'm not sure of an easy way to handle it. You might want to retract it (assuming you have a userscript which allows you to do that from your list of flags).
 
@Makyen That one seems to have been helpful though. The limbo is is from earlier. And I cannot retract a flag on a post that I cannot access :)
Btw: I only have one pending flag. reference <-- That one I cannot see.
Maybe I am mistaken on which one it was. If I raised it a second after it was deleted, that explains why it's in limbo :)
 
@Scratte Yes, that's the one I see too and was talking about.
@Scratte There's a userscript (actually 2, but one was withdrawn) which allows you to retract flags from your flag queue, which should permit retracting flags on deleted posts, even when you can't see the post. Note: I have not actually used the userscript linked above. I use the one which has been withdrawn. It continues to work, so I haven't taken the time to switch to the newer one.
@Scratte The timestamps show the same second, but the NAA is listed after the deletion.
@Scratte Your flag is now marked helpful.
 
@Makyen I tried to try this out.. but I think.. someone did something magical.
I will try to time my seconds better in the future..
 
9:23 PM
@Scratte Yeah, another moderator handled the flag. I was giving you time to try out the userscript, so you could be confident about handling something like that in the future. :;
 
@Makyen You can sense my panic all the way through the bit-stream? :)
 
@Scratte Yep. :)
 
10:07 PM
@Scratte I did some "clean up" today by re-tagging around 100 posts under this tag. I honestly think you should go for 2k rep and explore the editing privilege on your favorite niche tag. That kind of curation is bound to have more impact/benefit for the userbase than worrying if your flag ratio is at 97% or 99%. Besides, full curation would desirably be done with the full set of tools (10k at least)...
 
10:23 PM
@bad_coder The thing about those types of clean up is that there's always a lot of disagreement.
 
@Scratte Tell me about it, I spent the day disagreeing with myself over how to edit those posts :D
 
@bad_coder I find that the limitation of having less reputation is an advantage really..
 
Ohhh, and I did the first edit on that tag in April, still no end in sight :D
 
Somehow you've just managed to convince me not to begin such projects, as they are not only thankless but also endless :)
 
@Scratte Very true, I think civility is arranging things the way I would have wanted to find them. (Because it was a pain trying to learn from a chaotic tag.)
@Scratte In any case, I you want to stay below 2k or not finding yourself set on endless personal projects I think that's a wise move.
@Scratte Absolutely walk away from anything that's not good for you. If your conscience tells you so, don't let habit or idealism get you involved.
 
10:50 PM
@mickmackusa out of delete votes?
 
Nope, I'm still VTD.
 
It's just you didn't vtd the last one, mine is the only vote...
 
@bad_coder That's what I figured :)
 
@Nick I am running through a lot of dupes right now. Which one did I miss?
 
@mickmackusa the one I replied to. Mouseover my reply and it will highlight your message
 
11:02 PM
ah cool, I didn't know that trick.
 
@mickmackusa I think you should have closed this as a dupe of this, not the other way around. The latter question is clearer and there are far better answers. Since users who are not logged in will automatically see the dupe target, not the original, it would be better for them to see the latter one than the former.
 
This dupe cannot be cleared because it has other pages on it stackoverflow.com/q/13596128/2943403 You may alter my close link if you like. I have to go away for now.
Good grief, there is an endless stream of "how do I re-index an array" pages on Stack Overflow (Google is making this very simple).
 
PHP arrays are all associative?
 
Just to be sure.. is this NAA?
 
@Nick Unfortunately, even users who are not logged in are not auto-forwarded to the dup-target when there are answers on the duplicate. Not having such answers is one of the significant benefits of rapidly closing duplicate questions.
If answers do get posted, 20k users who are also SMEs in the technologies used can vote to delete poor quality answers. If there's a good quality answer, it's often helpful to post a comment politely asking the answer's OP to post the answer on the dup-target and delete the one on the dup.
 
11:15 PM
@Scratte how would it be an answer?
 
@Scratte Yes.
 
Thanks both. I guess I was just sort of thrown off on that one.
 
@AndrasDeak LOL now I get it :')
 
@Makyen thanks for the clarification - I misunderstood something I had read earlier. It seems there are so many of these questions that it might take @mickmackusa forever to clean them all up :-) - but at least they could be closed to point at the question with the best answers?
 
@AndrasDeak Off course they are, otherwise you couldn't chain so many duplicates :D
 
11:19 PM
@Makyen don't the answers have to have negative scores to be deleted?
 
@Nick yes
 
@Nick Yes. Generally, poor quality answers tend to have scores <= 0. Unfortunately, that's not always the case. However, that an answer does have a score > 0 is an indicator that you should take more care in being sure that the answer is actually low quality. Note that just the fact that the answer is on a duplicate isn't something that, by itself, makes the answer low quality.
@Nick Yes. Duplicates should definitely be closed with the best Q & A as the target.
 
11:36 PM
I flagged this as NAA, but then I though perhaps the "The font is apparently now defunct" answers, so I retracted. But.. now I'm not sure anymore again.
 
@Dharman Used by employers? Or dentists?
 
Ahh yes, the broad community of dentists on the site for programmers.
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@Dharman The AppointmentItem object associated with MS Office products.
 
We need more:
 
11:45 PM
@Dharman That said, I'd upvote a post requesting to cancel my appointment. :D
 
It can improve your byte?
 
@AdrianMole Let me chew on that thought.
 
Well ... you know the drill!
 
@AdrianMole Enough of this, let's get to the root of the issue.
@Dharman But seriously, I think the majority of the posts with that tag are dealing with this and more specifically this
 
The tag could probably do with a rename, or at least some disambiguation.
 
11:52 PM
Or usage guidance.
I'd see how other exchange API objects are tagged and try to align. How are meetings, emails, tasks, and reminders tagged?
Given the number of hits for the search "[exchange-server] appointment" outnumber the hits for that tag, I think just using [exchange-server] when needed and burning the appointment book is probably fine.
 

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