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12:15 AM
Grr! Just posted a half-decent answer, only for the OP to delete their question. (Embarrassment?)
 
@AdrianMole Been there, done that, have a t-shirt to prove it.
 
@DanielWiddis But this from a 5+ year user with 500+ reputation. Once again: Grr!
 
12:48 AM
@AdrianMole It looks like a decent answer. However, i would have expected there to be a duplicate of some sort for this type of question.
 
@Makyen You're probably right. In fact, I did look for a dupe target (not very thoroughly, though). There are a few that are related, but nothing popped up as an 'exact' match. However, it's not that important - probably would only ever be worth 1 or 2 votes, anyway. But thanks for looking, and sorry if I 'slipped outside' the room rules by stealth.
... and I did say half-decent. ;)
 
@AdrianMole It's OK. It's my choice to go look at something, or not. Admittedly, we don't want to get to the point where people just post things and expect a moderator to go take a look at whatever it is (and potentially be disappointed when it doesn't happen).
 
@Makyen And I found a dupe (sort of). stackoverflow.com/questions/6336403/…
 
 
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2:04 AM
^ third post by same OP which is basically a link to a blog page
 
^ which was recently updated right before posting the link
 
Can they be flagged as spam?
 
I have done so. But you may think differently.
So "can they"? Yes. "Should they?" I'll tell you if my flag is declined. :)
 
I flagged the first two as NAA. Pretty sure that's safe. I think this is third strike.
 
@Nick 1 of 3 helpful, 2 still pending
 
2:14 AM
@DanielWiddis all 3 posts deleted now so they should all be helpful...
 
Indeed. Probably while I was typing that.
Actually, not. I wonder if deleting naa does not auto-clear spam flags.
 
@DanielWiddis weird... I don't know the answer to that one...
 
I suspect one of the mods who likes to monologue will explain it in a 12-line set of posts before the night is out.
 
 
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3:38 AM
@AdrianMole just happened to me too... first time for a while but still annoying!
 
3:49 AM
NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/64202126/9473764 mostly a link but does this: "Zappa now supports asynchronous task execution" make it an answer?
Never mind, just deleted by a moderator...
 
 
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5:37 AM
@Nick Eventually all 3 were helpful, and #4 just came in... :|
 
@DanielWiddis :) but which was #4?
 
New user, same link.
 
Well spotted!
 
@Nick Smokey's doing the spotting, I'm just enjoying the last few hours before my oncall shift starts.
 
@DanielWiddis if at first you don't succeed, spam, spam again!
 
6:27 AM
@double-beep @πάνταῥεῖ Yes, that edit is plagiarism. Plagiarism is copying something and presenting it as your own work, or not stating that it's someone else's work under conditions where there is an assumption that it's your work. Just a link to somewhere is not sufficient. There's no indication as to what that link was for, so it is insufficient to stand in for a statement of "This is [this other person's work]" and using quotes.
The rejection reason for tag wiki and tag excerpts is actually broader than just plagiarism. It is:
> copied content
> This edit copies a significant amount of content from an external source. Generic descriptions such as encyclopedia articles and ad copy do not provide useful guidance; try creating something useful to this community specifically, and be sure to attribute the original author. See: How to reference material written by others.
So, that implies that it's not just plagiarism which should be rejected, but edits which introduce "a significant amount of content from an external source", even if that content is appropriately quoted and attributed.
I'd also note that for things other than tag wikis and tag excerpts, while we often just call our requirement "no plagiarism", the real requirement is compliance with a minimum of what's in How to reference material written by others. Admittedly, there is often considerable leeway granted wrt. formatting, when it's clear there was an intent on the OP's part to not claim the work as their own.
How much leeway is granted will something that's determined on a case by case basis.
As to what is plagiarism on it's own, there are a spectrum of things which people consider to be plagiarism. Cody Gray goes into more detail on that subject this answer and includes links to some external references which go into even more detail.
 
6:43 AM
I consider this question to be too broad, but it already got 2 upvotes. Am I wrong, is it a good fit for SO?
Lots of spam
 
6:57 AM
@JeanneDark It's almost the same question with a minor difference between the first part and the second part as the accepted answer shows, so I would vote to leave it open.
 
@karel Thanks!
I wonder if it might be a duplicate of something like How to Create Nested Dictionary in Python with 3 lists though. There seem to be many questions about turning lists into nested dictionaries.
 
7:58 AM
 
jps
8:42 AM
I can't cast del votes, but I think that quetion is one of the cases to use them
 
9:31 AM
Hello. I flagged this question as "Unsalvageable" because (in my opinion) the information in the question isn't enough to detect the problem without guessing. I asked the author to post a minimal reproducible example. The other reviewers voted for "Looks OK." I would like to know where I'm wrong.
 
@bartolo-otrit when you saw that question it was unsalvageable. Why others prior to your review chose Looks OK is something only they can answer. I think you did the right thing. at least you (and others) didn't chose requires editing
 
Somebody's stolen my answer and demo, then ask for upvote. I've spent 2hour+ yesterday for this answer and I'm pretty hurt right now. Please have a look here

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64194819/validate-fields-conditionally-based-on-another-field-in-yup-and-formik
can somebody see the link above and tell me what can I do about it. My apology if this is the wrong place to ask, I may make a post on meta if necessary but I want to ask here first.
 
@NearHuscarl it looks like it is the other way around. You made edits to more closely match the other answer. You don't have a strong case. And it is not uncommon that two or more experienced users come up with closely similar answers.
 
9:46 AM
@rene Thank you for the answer
 
@rene Hey rene, can I chat with you privately? You can have a look at the edited history on both answers
 
@NearHuscarl I did check the revisions. I see no evidence of "stealing". I'm not going to argue over it in chat. Take it to Meta if you feel your case warrants action. Be prepared to take the meta effect. In general whining on Meta achieves the opposite of what you set out for, specially if it involves your own posts and "mistreatment"
 
Thank you @rene, This is the first time I've experienced sth like this on SO so I don't know what to feel. I only post to meta if I have a strong case (which I ask you here first to receive more feedback)
 
@NearHuscarl see this meta question meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252451/… and all the posts that are linked to it meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/linked/252451?lq=1 and then decide if you want to bring it to meta. Calling something plagiarism or "stealing" are strong accusations. You don't want to screw that up as it will backfire on you.
 
10:06 AM
@rene, I have another question. Do you consider those answers here plagiarism? I just want to know what is considered plagiarism better. After commenting in the question there are 4 answers of essentially the same thing.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/63968825/close-react-dialog-with-a-button
 
Is this a little or clearly NAA? Or.. not at all?
^ rude.. (going to look so weird after a cleanup :-)
 
10:24 AM
@NearHuscarl I didn't follow the previous conversations, but as for those answers, they are not plagiarism. Firstly, they are a retake on the OP's code. Often there is only one solution. Secondly, they were posted just a few minutes apart.
 
@NearHuscarl no, all of those answers are unique work.
 
Or should that be kept opened because the answer can be useful (apart from fixing the parentheses)? (I don't think the question is searchable anyway.)
 
10:53 AM
If I suspect that there's something wrong with the OP's question, should I answer it while specifying the issue, or should I just vote (flag) to close as unclear? For example in this question what should I do? (I have a deleted answer there, need some rep score to view it)
 
@user202729 Answer if you think the answer will be useful to many other people and the question is in a good enough state to be easily searchable by people with the same problem. If you think this is not going to be useful to other people then downvote and/or flag the question for closure.
 
(I think that) about half of the (not closed) questions nowadays are not searchable.
It's not really a typo, but it's specific debugging issue for op's code.
look at the questions Yes, the two first Python questions (at the moment) on stackoverflow.com/… are "help with my code".
 
11:25 AM
No one thinks this SD report Stuck Floating Ad Banner at Bottom of screen is spam? there is definitely undisclosed affiliation...
 
@Nick definitely, but we still like to abstain from flagging until they have had a chance to react to the feedback
 
@user202729 About that issue, the op clarified the question. But should I just leave the answer or vote to close, in case OP doesn't?
 
@tripleee I'm surprised no one gave the feedback earlier...
 
11:42 AM
Is this NAA being image of code?
 
@tripleee I don't think you should have edited out the link. If this is the start of a pattern of behaviour, it needs to be there for evidence (see for example meta.stackexchange.com/questions/110030/…). Also it makes my comment meaningless...
@Scratte it's a bad answer, but it is one... only really worthy of downvotes
 
@Nick I'm always conflicted about those, as some seem to flag them NAAs getting their flags marked helpful, but I'm not sure if there's consensus.
 
Spam should not be edited. See Shog9's answer and the post it links to.
 
well yes, depends on how convinced you are that it's spam. With a single sample, we are not; should we leave the link up until they actually prove that they are a spammer, or assume they just put it in because they didn't know better?
 
@Scratte well, you can get an NAA flag marked helpful if people downvote and manually delete it (I've started that process...)
@tripleee I'm not convinced, but I think it's up to OP to prove good faith by reading the comment I left and either (a) disclosing affiliation or (b) removing the link. If they fail to do so in a reasonable amount of time, I think it's fair to flag the post as spam.
 
11:47 AM
I'm with @tripleee. There's a line between spam and a tagline. They may not know about the rules, and hence not trying to post spam.
 
@Scratte see my response above...
 
@Nick I've always left it up to the author, but I've seen moderators just edit it out.
 
if they prove that they are in fact a spammer, this post can be deleted retroactively anyway, or left up without the link. If it provides actual value without the link, I'd say no harm in that
 
@Nick Heh.. I see :) I'm still hoping they will edit it.
 
@Scratte don't hold your breath! :)
 
12:04 PM
@Nick I am.. and getting quite blue now. I'm looking much like this. Note: Scale is correct ;)
 
"give me good answer"
 
reply with "give me good question"? :)
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12:19 PM
Is this NAA? To me it looks like a maths answer (even with link to online calculator) to a programming question.
 
@JeanneDark I think the better question is whether or not that question is on-topic. It's ostensibly about programming but the OP left a bunch of comments and an answer (now a comment) telling people the results they were getting weren't the answer
4k views, but I wonder if that's because the title belies the purpose
 
Since the question is about programming, does it matter that much what the OP considers an answer? The answers might still be useful to future visitors wanting to do it programmatically.
 
@JeanneDark And therein lies the real question: is the OP asking a programming question or a math one? None of the answers seem focused on the problem posited in the title and the OP seemed more interested in a math answer
I don't know enough about Python to say either way
 
Me neither
 
@JeanneDark The previous question you and Machavity were discussing the NAA on, look slike it really is a programming question since they were concerned they were getting back an answer in scientific notation. The answers on the question do a good job IMO. That being said, the OP has not provided enough debugging info in the question itself. He doesn't explain what incorrect output he is getting. Only in the comments does he explain.
 
Thank you!
 
1:48 PM
@Scratte You have already cast 100 votes this week. And you were asking how is it possible to cast more than the limit. :D
 
@Dharman I learned that from you :) I imagine I still have 30 votes left today. Unfortunately I also need to do something else than flagging and voting :( As in real life calls too.
 
Wait, you guys have lives?
 
Well, since quarantine, maybe not so much. Wait till the snow gets here... So much more time to be on SO!
 
@AndrasDeak Since you're a Python guy, does this question seem on-topic? It looks very much like the OP was interested in a math answer, but I can't tell for sure
 
@Machavity the last sentence seems like a programming question. "How do I display a float as decimal" or "how do I turn a float into a decimal.Decimal". Unclear, I think.
(both are common dupes)
but stackoverflow.com/questions/57618587/… suggests it was a brain fart (no MCVE)
@Machavity also I don't know why the second edit that changed literals in the code was improved (to remove the harmful parts) rather than rejected...
 
2:11 PM
@AndrasDeak They probably wanted to keep the formatting and just put back the original programming parts. Should be a Reject + Edit but, it doesn't destroy the original data so... meh
 
yup
 
@Nick It is spam! It is a plagiarised content with spam link. My flag was disputed, because of the edit to remove the link :/ Now it is just plagiarised. Going to mod flag
 
(it's originally a little unclear, but I believe my comment clarified the question. Also the algorithm is significantly different from the duplicate -- it's not really possible to adapt answer for one to another)
 
2:28 PM
@user202729 Hard to say from a Java point of view since I don't know Java, but overall I would need to see it get a grammar/spelling review before casting an undelete vote on it.
 
@user202729 well, I think I would expect an implementation in the answer.
 
@rene Wait what. That's an algorithm question.
 
@user202729 hmm okay.
 
(any mod here? Mind checking if the OP has a lot of deleted questions?)
 
@user202729 okay, I gave the question an edit. You can still see the question, right? Mind checking my edit (/cc @TylerH)
 
2:45 PM
@user202729 unlikely, because after a few of these tricks they get question banned
 
@user202729 Yes, but we don't target users in here
 
@user202729 careful what you ask in this room. That is easily seen as user targeting which is off-limits here
 
oh yeah, that too
 
@rene looks good
 
@user202729 it is undeleted now, please flag the comments on that Q/A that are no longer needed.
 
2:58 PM
Does this ring a bell to anyone else?
 
@Machavity Oh sorry (and thanks) (but would a mod flag do roughly that anyway?)
 
new question's code seems to be an almost exact copy from the accepted answer on this old question
 
@rene (is it really okay to delete the other user's comment when they haven't replied yet?)
 
sure
you can start deleting your own comments and then flag the comments that either were triggered by any of your now deleted comments or the comments you responded to.
 
(I know.)
 
3:04 PM
@user202729 If you think there's a question repetition going on, you can mod flag
 
3:34 PM
Why do we have a tag? The usage guidance has nothing to do with programming. Any opinions on whether I should write a burnination request for it?
Although, it is a little discouraging to write them right now since burnination hasn't really been happening
 
Is this a rhetorical question? cc @DanielWiddis
 
@Scratte Seems like it can be edited to more clearly be a recommendation of a solution rather than a question
 
3:50 PM
@TylerH That's how I read it. If one changes "Are you" to "Make" and remove the question mark, then it reads assertive.
Awesome :) Thank you :)
 
@scratte I wasn't deliberately trying to copy you but I've managed to do (I think) the exact same thing as you were talking about yesterday. I flagged this as NAA at the exact second that it was deleted, so have ended up with an orphaned pending NAA flag.
 
@DavidBuck Did you try the user script Makyen recommended? :)
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I guess it could be about networking. That still doesn't make it on-topic as is but maybe in combination with dev-ops like questions it might be focused enough to keep it around. might need a clean-up then instead of a burn.
 
@Scratte I thought I'd give it a while to see if a kindly mod would mark it helpful rather than withdraw it. I have used the script once in the past.
 
@DavidBuck Oh. Does it work?
 
4:05 PM
Can someone help me edit this? stackoverflow.com/a/61301626/1839439
 
@Scratte I think so, it was a while ago. If it's the one I tried, I turned it off again though as it left large black buttons next to ever flagged post.
 
@Dharman Sure, give me a minute...
 
@DavidBuck I imagine it's the same as doing it from the post. I was just curious if it really works on deleted post for us minors :)
 
@Scratte We'll have to wonder for a while longer as it's changed to helpful
 
@DavidBuck Awesome. AndrasDeak gave me the scare yesterday that it would be marked "declined" :O
 
4:19 PM
@Scratte I'm still reeling from one that was declined yesterday.
 
Sorry about that. How is your accuracy going?
 
@Scratte 99.56% according to the gold flag
Never in a million years going to get to the mythical 99.8
 
@DavidBuck That's not bad :) Ohh.. it's not enough to get to 99.8. One needs to get to 99.81 and have more than 10000 post flags.
 
@Dharman OK
 
I'm still hoping to get to 99.91 with more than just 5000, but I'm not even half way there.
 
4:22 PM
original site is currently dead w/ no archive.org link, but I think I found a close one.
 
@TylerH Both links are dead and I still do not know where the quote came from. Still good work though
 
Second link works for me
oh, there is a typo
one second
 
I get "Page not found
The requested page could not be found on this server. It's probably not on the road."
 
OK, fixed
 
@Scratte I'm not far off 9000 now but I'd have to get to 19500 flagged with zero declined to go green. Not going to happen.
 
4:25 PM
Currently saving that second link to archive.org right now
 
Ok, the sentence came from there, but where did the code come from?
 
The sentence and code came from the first page, which like I said, is dead
 
Ohh ok
 
I found an entirely separate page that talks about the same error and has the same exact wording (but not the code)
just for completeness' sake
it's also from 2004 so it's likely the first link's content was based on that 2004 article
given how linking works over time in the web
 
Huge improvement nevertheless
 
4:27 PM
@DavidBuck I see. That's.. a tough one :( Yellow is prettier? ;-)
 
Is there a way to switch off these warnings? "You haven't voted on questions in a while; questions need votes too!" It has been bogging me the whole day.
 
@Dharman uBlock.. but then you lose the warning of remaining flags at the end of the day. Remember I get one every single time I downvote too :D
 
@Dharman Not on the site side
Just upvote a question and it'll reset for a while
(or downvote)
 
Upvote?
9
 
4:30 PM
lol! I'm dying here!.. :D
 
5:26 PM
I think I may have passed a new record of mine today by raising 61 flags.. not that I can compete with bots :)
 
6:37 PM
Have I been banned from formatting and adding images to posts?
..hmm, there's a userscript working it's "magic" somewhere.
 
@Scratte Yes. Or you adblock is too strict ...
 
@rene Funny. It's not the adBlocker :)
 
something something ... jQuery ... something
 
I'm afraid it's the "Stack Exchange CV Request Generator" :(
 
6:53 PM
Hrm. Looks like SO is having issues
 
@Machavity Needs details or clarity.
4
 
7:32 PM
Should this edit be really approved? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/23565998
@Dharman @Machavity Can you please bin this request? OP is a reasonable person and they translated it.
 
7:48 PM
Also, can you remove OP's comment as it is no longer required
 
What can I do about this question? stackoverflow.com/q/18891362/1839439
 
I voted to close as not reproducible
 
8:04 PM
^ +1 ... 'we' don't like "[solved]" meta-tags.
 
and a mod deleted. Thank you everyone
 
@Mach Hmm - you deprived me of a satisfying delete-vote. Bah!
 
@AdrianMole I figured you could use it elsewhere. I have a quota to fill, you know :P
 
Other mods will ban Machavity for not using enough delete votes
 
hehe - Carry on, Sir! My quota will be exhausted afore your own.
 
8:11 PM
imagining moderators comparing their statistics..
 
Don't have to imagine. They give you a leaderboard summary
 
So.. basically a hall of fame/shame?
 
@Scratte Are you still having a problem? If so, which version of the Request Generator are you using? Which OS/browser?
 
@Makyen "Stack Exchange CV Request Generator" vs: 1.9.1.0, Opera vs: 70.0.3728.189 (there is a later one, but I think it's only a few days old, and I'm not really wanting to restart it now), Windows 10.
 
8:26 PM
@Scratte Please see this chat message. Your script version is out of date. The change was specifically to alleviate the problem you are experiencing.
 
@Makyen That is very strange, because it asked me to update it when I launched it just yesterday :)
 
@Scratte Did you update when it asked?
 
@Makyen Yes :) Perhaps a glitch, since I'm using private mode?
 
@Scratte Maybe. It's, at best, quite difficult for me to replicate.
 
@Makyen I've just checked it again, and it seems to have been as you said, the version :) I've ensured to install it non-private mode as well now.
@Makyen Thank you for fixing it :)
 
8:38 PM
np. I still need to restore the preview functional. It's most of the way there, but I need to check on a couple of SE Markdown issues.
 
I think the deal is that as soon as you fix it, a change will come and break it a little differently ;)
 
8:54 PM
@Makyen Just wait for the new editor to come
 
@Scratte Yeah, that's about what I figured, so I ditched using the in-page Markdown converter. I'd previously looked around and found a fairly short and simple, but reasonable quality, Markdown->HTML converter with an MIT license. So, I've decided to just include that. I'd already made some modifications to that converter code for another script (FIRE), so it was (mostly) already working. There's just some more SE chat specific formatting which I'd like to add/verify/test.
@Dharman Yeah, sigh.
 
How to remove deleted post from “Following” tab just got a if anyone wants to test it out :)
 
@JeanneDark This tag has a funny name :D
 
9:09 PM
@Scratte This was fixed long time ago
 
@Dharman I guess the Public Platform Team wasn't aware of it until now ;)
 
@E_net4usesGitHubreleases @Vickel ^^ In case you guys hadn't noticed...
 
9:48 PM
@Dharman You give me an inkling of hope on an otherwise barren day. Keep up the good work!
 
Thanks.
 
(Bad day at the desk - grief with a scrollbar for a view that's an element of a tab control that is, itself, a child of a pane, and all are children of a CMFCPropertyGridCtrl. Ouch!)
 
@AdrianMole Well, at least you didn't have problems with the Children Of Hierarchy
 
When it comes to "children," in general, I'm of the W.C. Fields School of Thought. But: problem solved (though no visible progress). Tomorrow is another day. :)
 
10:18 PM
Hah! -4 rep. for the day ... and I actually feel good about it. I'm off to (The Land of) Nod.
 
@AdrianMole Sleep well.. count the sheep unicorns but don't click them ;)
 
Baaaa! I love my 20K powers.
 
I run out of close votes so I downvoted instead
 
I though you were going to learn how to upvote..
 
lol, not a chance
with this type of questions there is no way I can upvote anything
I think I might have downvoted close to 100 posts today
 
10:30 PM
@Scratte now that was a good way to start the day...
 
I started breathing again when I noticed the post was deleted. I'm less blue now :)
 

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