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12:00 AM
I read and comment on every post I flag.. I rarely make more than 60.
 
Ahh, my close votes came back
 
I have an auto comment for NAA's. Most of the time I use like 50 flags up and then the day resets
 
I don't agree with just posting an autocomment. I think it should fit the post, so I change them to match. I often also add something else.
 
If an NAA says, "I have the same problem", I put a comment that goes along the lines of , "Please don't add "Me Too!" as a comment". However, sometimes I do delete the comments generated from the Advanced Flagging Script.
 
You guys are so kind, I flag as NAA, downvote and move on
 
12:11 AM
I only have 43 close votes left and 94 flags. It's only 11 minutes past midnight
 
@Dharman I have 24 close votes and 98 flags. Why are you flagging past midnight? :)
 
I am flagging all the time
 
@10Rep talking to yourself...
 
Hi @10 Rep are you mad?
yes @10 Rep I am
 
@10Rep exactly! :)
 
12:17 AM
@Nick Makyen has taught him well
 
@Machavity Makyen has taught us all well
 
^ That!
 
I've noticed a reviewer who seems to be robo reviewing. Should I mod flag, or is there a room to report it to?
 
@10Rep if the reviews are outrageously wrong, you could go to Bad Stack Overflow Reviewers and post one of them, otherwise a mod flag would probably be best
 
12:22 AM
@10Rep Mod flag. We do review ban people
 
I think I'll mod flag... too many bad reviews.
 
@10Rep Definitely
 
Yup. It's deleted already?
 
Oh... my vote seems to have completed the review :)
 
Could have been an audit as well ...
Wait no, 2 minutes ago.
 
12:49 AM
@10Rep Nah! It was of those big-guns with a 20K "Delete" vote! ;-P
@10Rep But I can't figure out why this review is "Completed" but the post is not deleted.
 
So, 4 x "Recommend Deletion" plus 1 x "Looks OK" and the post stays open; but 3 x "Recommend Deletion" plus 2 x "Delete" overrides the 1 x "Looks OK" and the post is deleted. I'll need to look more into completed LQP reviews to see if I can work out the algorithm.
... Aha! Both had a nett score of 0 but the one that stayed open had one up and one down vote. The algorithm is more complex, methinks.
 
1:17 AM
@Nick well, the advanced flagging userscript really makes that simple. It's just a click for flag + comment + report to appropriate bots.
@AdrianMole I think the only way to figure it out is to get hired at SO
 
1:30 AM
Could someone explain to me why those two answers on the linked reviews above are considered link-only?
 
1:49 AM
Is there any point in arguing the itemized points in a "stop being rude" message that I recently received from a moderator? I mean, I disagree with and feel like presenting an argument against all but one of the items on the report. Could anything good actually come from calling out over-sensitive moderation taken out of context? Or would it just be a futile waste of my time and a quick way of collecting DVs on SO Meta?
 
2:02 AM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica already vtc'd that one about a week ago but it expired...
^ borderline spam (giving a new contributor a chance to edit before flagging) but is it NAA anyway? I can't really see an answer in there...
 
@Nick Yep, it got a content lock, which made the votes age away
 
2:36 AM
@Nick yeah that doesn’t look like an attempt to actually answer the quesiton
 
3:22 AM
@ChristopherMoore Because it's only a link. If the link is deleted or broken, then the answer is useless.
 
3:39 AM
@10Rep I disagree for the second. It was not NAA, it clearly gave an answer. And there were a link cc @ChristopherMoore
 
@10Rep For those two reviews the answers appeared as if they were still valid even if the link was removed.
 
@Vega For the second one, I agree in retrospect it may not have been link only, but the user who completed the review was a delete voter, and that answer was borderline not link-only.
 
It could deserve a down vote if not correct but not delete vote for as it is
 
@ChristopherMoore Not the first one imo. It just says, "you can use this product to do what you want". Such an answer is considered link only.
 
@10Rep It's certainly not the best answer but it still mentions the library. It's not just a link to the library without stating the name.
Also I don't see how just those two reviews qualify as robo reviewing. Especially since taking away the link still leaves something.
 
3:47 AM
@ChristopherMoore The point is even if it states the name, it's still very low quality and therefore low quality. One could argue against NAA deletion, but the fact is that a moderator deleted the first one, and 3 users voted to delete the second one.
 
@10Rep Sure it's understandable. I think that the issue stems more from the question, but I don't see how that makes me a robo reviewer.
Just because I have a difference in opinion doesn't mean I should be banned right?
 
I never said you were.
I have gone against the opinion of users in LQP before, and in fact you should disagree.
 
Oh I thought I was the one you were referring to in this.
 
Nono, I was referring to a reviewer in suggested edits. Not you.
@JimGarrison That's not a close reason.
 
@JimGarrison "needs details or clarity" or "needs focus" would have been an appropriate close reason for that question
 
4:01 AM
Is this a link-only answer? stackoverflow.com/a/64382743/11573842
 
@JimGarrison That's better! If you want, you can check out the list of reasons we can use here in the faq. Homework Dump is one of them, but it should also include an actual close reason. Thanks!
 
@10Rep there seems to be some answer here stackoverflow.com/a/64379330/11573842
 
@Yatin I haven't flagged that one because it's not strictly NAA. I only commented.
 
@Yatin "AWS recently released APIs for Appflow and also support with Cloudformation" is an answer, the links add value but without them someone could still google "aws appflow api" and find the info they need.
 
@Nick got it. Thanks for the clarification
 
4:05 AM
@Yatin np
 
@10Rep ohk
I just wanted to confirm before marking it as a fp
 
It is an fp. It's a poor answer, but an answer nonetheless.
 
@Yatin ps thanks for cleaning up in SOBotics
 
:)
 
@Yatin Just want to know, but you're fetching Natty reports that haven't been actioned on?
 
4:29 AM
@10Rep yeah (sry for the late reply) I am clearing out those ones that didn't recive any feedback. Most of them are already deleted answers. But sometimes I hit gold and find answers that were missed and get to flag them
 
np
I didn't know that was a thing
Right now I am editing my past self's questions. It feels weird, tbh.
 
Zoe
4:53 AM
@Nick No u!
 
 
1 hour later…
5:55 AM
suspicious 1 rep user linking to the same blog in every answer stackoverflow.com/users/2567408/user2567408
 
6:16 AM
^done
 
@Vega I don't see any edit history and it still looks the same...
 
@Vega ah, your link didn't point to the review before... I get it now
 
@Vega I didn't know this was a thing meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/348698/… I would have also edited the code in
 
@Nick Yes, sorry
 
6:20 AM
@Vega np
 
@RyanM Thank you for taking care and providing the link
 
np
 
Quick off-topic question: I try to understand what these symbols mean in this kind of ERD diagram. Is that from some UML scheme I'm unfamiliar with or Archimate enterprisy crap. Something else? I can take a guess but I rather get backed by some background reading.
 
6:39 AM
@rene the top-left one looks like a NOT logic gate, but the others don't look like anything I've seen before
 
Hmm, okay so it is not just me then ... Maybe they meant to electrify part of the diagram, so they switched to using logic gates
 
Have you tried voting to close the diagram as "Needs Details or Clarity"?
 
@RyanM I have a call at 9:00 so I'll let them know our moderation outcome. Needs one more vote ;)
 
Is this question asking for tools? stackoverflow.com/q/54678255/11573842
 
6:58 AM
@Yatin I went with R/A
 
^ should be flagged with R/A
 
rude and abusive?
VLQ also applies I think
 
Yes, whenever someone calls me fdsfds e ggdf gd gd hgdg gdfgdfgdgguihdfkghreuih hfueirtyuibvfdshjgueiwfbmn btjief I get offended.
 
@Yatin Posting gibberish is abusive
 
7:00 AM
@Nick got it
 
@Yatin I think @JeanneDark said it very well...
 
@mickmackusa That depends on the context, no? I think you sometimes come off a little harsh and unforgiving. I'm not saying that your message is invalid, just that some times it seems the delivery is a little rough.
 
@Scratte Do you think "This answer is missing its educational explanation" (for instance) is particularly harsh/unfair/abusive?
 
@rene Looks like electrical diagram, although I am unable to read the text. On the left side looks like an inverter and the right one a microphone/bell, something for an output
 
@mickmackusa No. Though I would probably have phrased it a little differently :) Is that all there is to it? No other comments in the trail that led to the notice?
 
7:14 AM
Scratte's first message is well-put. I was trying to figure out the phrasing but then got distracted. Short version: I don't think I've seen you cross the line into rude behavior, but you've toed it a few times. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, as they say. Adding a few extra "please"s or "could you"s and phrasing things as suggestions ("this answer would be better if...") tends to get a better reaction and require me to spend less time arguing, if nothing else.
then it comes off as me trying to help them, even if what I'm actually thinking is "this is a terrible answer because..."—and hey, maybe they'll take my advice and everyone will benefit
 
There are other comments. Comments that I believe explain my DV are strongly stated, but only when I feel that there is severity in the post that I am blowing my whistle at.
I absolutely hate it when people no-comment DV one of my answers (especially when I explain and demonstrate my answer, but that is beside the point), so I prefer to explain the reason for my DV when I do it.
 
These suggestions are also in part because I think you're a good curator, and it would be unfortunate to lose you as a curator over something like this.
 
For some strange reason people tend to not like downvotes. So if you both downvote and deliver your message without the gloves on, you'll most certainly tick of some users. Angry people are, as RyanM also suggested, a little harder to convince, no?
 
The warning message that I got lists a few comments, which have no context (so I cannot return to the page to re-acquaint myself with the happenings). However, one answer was saying "use and empty string as glue when implode()ing instead of omitting the parameter" and then the incorrect answer was upvoted. This made an incorrect answer more confusing to researchers because it was upvoted.
I neutralized, then left a stern comment so that no further UVs would come and the poster would understand the importance of correct advice on a researching site.
Maybe I shouldn't be so vague here...
Here is one comment that I _believe_ accompanied a DV:
"I would not entertain this convoluted and unexplained answer."
 
@mickmackusa There's also another, perhaps unexpected result of a stern comment: If someone feels it was too stern, they may upvote the post in order to help soften the blow ;)
 
7:23 AM
(rephrasing given below message)
 
The answer (IIRC) was a labyrinthian sequence of nested loops and condition blocks amidst several other very concise answers.
The comment does not attack the poster, and give a clear reason why the DV was issued.
The poster can also use this feedback to edit this post into better shape.
Far, far better than just silently DV'ing and hoping that they will understand why.
 
Ah, yes, that's...harsher than needed :-) I'd say something like "This answer seems unnecessarily complex and somewhat difficult to follow. It would be better if it were accompanied by an explanation of how it works and why you chose this approach, and would be further improved by reducing the deeply nested control flow."
 
If you could see the answer, you, too, may agree with the term "convoluted".
 
@mickmackusa Quite likely we would, but @RyanM comment will almost certainly get a far better response.
 
I really can't see myself typing all of that stuff out on my phone just to act like a kindergarten teacher.
 
7:26 AM
@mickmackusa It does not directly attack the poster. But I can see how a poster would feel like it being an attack.
 
For most of mine, I write them in advance so that when I'm annoyed at low-effort posts, I don't have to put effort into being nice :-)
"We're not here to write your app for you" becomes:
Your question is quite broad, and answering it would require describing how to do many things and/or designing a large program. While there's probably a way to do all of that, you should break the problem down into smaller problems, and try to solve those. When you get stuck, ask a question about that specific part. Include what you've done so far (with code!). Describe the exact behavior you want for that part, as well as how that differs from what happens with the code you have. Include the exact text (with [stack traces](/a/23353174)) o
 
I don't have a cache of comments on my phone, so all of my comments are bespoke and are colored by the mood and vibe of the moment.
 
I did write that one specifically for that, but I also mostly curate questions, so my canned responses for answers are ...not quite as numerous.
If I were on my phone, I might write something like "This answer would be better with an explanation and simpler control flow."
possibly along with something like "Right now, it's difficult to follow."
 
This one, I'll admit is indefensible:
"This is asked multiple times every day. Why didn't you research and try something before asking?"
It is very clearly stated in the Code of Conduct.
 
7:30 AM
@mickmackusa We're all kids inside. We like to be cuddled :) Especially for criticism. If would be easier for everyone if programmers didn't have emotions, but they do, so direct comments have more than informational impact. (to most of us)
 
This is one that I think I remember correctly...
"Cool task, but ...looks like no coding attempt === Too Broad, Needs More Focus. "Requirements Dumps" are a form of volunteer abuse. Do your own work please. Can I do this, Yes. Do I work for you, No."

The OP subsequently edited the question, then I answered and got the green tick and the OP learned about how to post better. No one got hurt.
 
How do we feel about an answer that says "Here's a .exe, use this" linked to a file on a Google drive by a new user? stackoverflow.com/a/64376493
 
Here is one where I attack no one. In fact, I was the victim (a comment under my own answer to no one):
"Wow, UV three other answers and DV my lean, clean, correct, proven, explained answer! I must have a special fan. Stack Overflow is such a thoughtful community. Don't worry, I won't be deleting this answer -- it is the best one on the page. You are only wasting your own rep and confusing researchers."
 
@mickmackusa But you cannot take one event that went OK and assume that everyone will take it the same way. Maybe that poster was a "I like direct information" kind of person.
 
@Scratte Of course, that's true. That's why I think the "grey area" of what is nice/rude needs to stop shrinking.
 
7:35 AM
@DavidBuck Looks somewhat NAA to me (basically link-only, also not answering the (implied) question (OP didn't actually ask one but they self-answered)).
 
@DavidBuck Well, to the extent that you trust virus scanners, 71 of them think it's not a virus. Sketchy, though. I don't like it.
 
Regarding the earlier mentioned:
"This answer is missing its educational explanation." (on a very old question)
the poster said that they had no interest in improving their code-only answer and that I could edit if I wished, then I said:
"What a shame. I will not be mopping up your answer because it needs an explanation in YOUR own words. It is up to you if you wish to better help researchers (which should be the primary intent of every answer that you post)."
 
@mickmackusa I have not found that writing comments more kindly takes more characters really. I would have written it something like this: "I think you'll need to narrow your Question down to what you're having trouble with. It seems too broad at present." That says the same thing without implying that the poster is lazy and just dumping their requirements. You don't know their struggles, even if it looks obvious.
 
@RyanM if you know how virus scanners work, the fact that a (presumably unique) new .exe doesn't trigger signature detection in no way ensures you that it's not malicious
 
@mickmackusa Honestly, my strategy on those is "play dumb and ask questions." For example "I'm not sure I understand how this solves the problem; could you elaborate?" Provides a real-world example of their answer confusing someone, and occasionally I get some unexpected explanation of why it actually does work.
 
7:39 AM
There is a slightly different matter that I wish to get some clarity on (this was near the bottom of the message)...
"You were also incorrect here:

> Well, it goes against popular opinion to cross-post (as far as that meta link is concerned), but there is no strict policy forbidding it. There is no penalty/punishment for asking support on multiple Stack Exchange sites.

Moderators can and do delete cross-posted questions."
 
@tripleee Oh definitely, hence "to the extent that you trust..."
 
OP edited the question to be in english stackoverflow.com/q/64384250/11573842 can we open it? I have removed my downvote too
 
I am asking a lot of Joomla users to post their Joomla SO questions at JSE. Often they just copy their post over; resulting in a cross-post. Should I be unconditionally flagging all cross posts for moderation?
 
@Yatin looks like a tool recommendation request ("I would like to know if there is a software that can automatically generate the coordinates of an image")
 
Now that we can understand your question, I am afraid it is still off-topic; we expressly disallow requests for software recommendations. Please review the help center and in particular What topics can I ask about here?tripleee 25 secs ago
 
7:42 AM
@RyanM yeah my bad
 
@mickmackusa I probably would, with a link to the cross-post, unless I heard otherwise.
 
@Ryan a custom mod flag with the link?
 
@mickmackusa I suppose you should get the post closed on Stack Overflow, if it's also posted on Joomla.
 
Yep. I guess you could also VTC it for that reason, but that can be a lengthy process.
 
7:44 AM
What considerations should I have regarding the responsed from relative communities.
What if the better answer is at SO (it typically isn't)
 
An answer is another language stackoverflow.com/a/64384848/11573842 should I flag as VLQ?
 
If the better answer is at SO I'd probably just leave it, as long as it's actually on-topic.
 
@mickmackusa You could (gently :-) ask the answerer to post their Answer on Joomla? Or keep the one on Stack Overflow, as Ryan suggests.
 
Is it sensible to seek a migration and then merge on JSE?
 
@Yatin NAA, "be smart and secure your network better" isn't going to be an answer in English either
 
7:46 AM
going out for dinner. cheers all. enjoy your weekend when it comes.
 
@mickmackusa I think it depends on the quality, but I guess you could do that too.
 
@RyanM which language is that btw? Asking out of curiosity.
 
I'd expect the flag declined if it weren't actually off-topic here.
And cheers as well :-)
@Yatin Dutch. I cheated and used a translation tool to identify it :-)
 
Oh :)
 
@Yatin You can flag it either as VLQ or NAA. VLQ has the advantage that the flag is automatically marked helpful if if the post is edited, but lately a user wrote that they flagged such an answer VLQ and a mod marked it helpful but suggested them to flag as NAA next time.
 
7:49 AM
@JeanneDark ohk
 
@Yatin It doesn't show new activity
 
@JeanneDark ok so it is too old to bother
 
FAQ: "have recent activity on the question (recent answers, edits not made by you, or suggested edits) [As used here, "recent activity" is considered to be activity within the last 6 months. Note that the "recent activity" criteria applies only to cv-pls requests.]"
 
@Vega Ha. It is meant to be used in a system to match Job seekers to open jobs. That goes beyond electrical engineers ;) .... I might try to wire my doorbell according to that schema and I wouldn't be surprised if it also worked.
 
@Yatin My usual spiel on the topic: While I'm not advocating the use of downvotes solely for cleanup (see meta.stackoverflow.com/a/307010/208273 and the question for relevant advice here), I would point out that old poorly-written questions like that with no answers/upvotes can be downvoted, and will be automatically deleted once they are at negative score, with no need for close votes since there's very little chance that someone will try to answer soon.
Of course, you should only do so if it merits a downvote, but most questions that would warrant a cv-pls would also warrant a downvote.
 
8:04 AM
@JeanneDark thanks for the link. I should really read the entirety of it. Had just glanced over it once
@RyanM got it
 
The Roomba Forecaster script (available here) is also particularly useful for this.
 
@RyanM great :)
 
@Yatin Yes. Reading the FAQ here is very useful, since it's very time consuming to learn them as one goes :) I think it takes less time than being corrected for doing things wrong :)
 
@Scratte on my TO-DO list tonight
 
@RyanM I have been upvoting closed posts lately. I seem to come across them when I'm searching for Answers and find them wrongly closed. While they'll never get Answers, I still upvote them.
 
8:17 AM
@Yatin that's just NAA, and also ineligible for a [del-pls] due to being insufficiently low-score (needs to be down to -2 or lower, IIRC). A single NAA flag will send it to the Low Quality Posts queue for review and deletion.
also please don't take these repeated how-to things as brow-beating but as friendly advice ^^;
 
@RyanM No no I appreciate them. Please keep them coming.
 
@Yatin While that wasn't to be deleted by "power-users", in cases where you feel an Answer is harmful and should be removed, it helps if you put a [tag:20K] on those, as others will not be able to delete them.
 
ok
 
9:07 AM
@rene :D
 
@Yatin I went opinion based, as the first sentence is the core of the question here. The tutorial request part can be edited out easily, whilst leaving the essence of the question the same
 
Sometimes it's hard to choose. But the question is definitely close-worthy. The accepted answer is also not great.
 
@Yatin Can you pick a close reason that is like the ones in the dialog? The one you picked when you flagged it? (Not saying that "asking for tutorials" isn't a close reason though :-) btw: Do you know about the request generator user script? It adds a link on the post and you can ask it to send a request to the room.
 
@Scratte I chose "Seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more"
"Do you know about the request generator user script? It adds a link on the post and you can ask it to send a request to the room." no
 
@Yatin Yes, I expected at much :)
@Yatin Makyen has a link to it here :)
 
9:15 AM
thank you :)
 
It used to show a preview of the message that it would send, but that got broken (by Stack). Whatever you put in the text field, will come after the request and first tag on the post. But before the link to the post. So in your previous request, all you need is to put "Off-site request" (without the "s :-)
 
I don't think I understand your message correctly. I am going to do a trial run. Please ignore the following message:
seems ok to me
It has one issue though. In dark-mode I can't read what is written in the message box
What are NATO, FireAlarm, and SD report? Also, how are "opinion based" and "primarily opinion based" different?
 
9:33 AM
@Yatin NATO = New Answer To Old Question (ie new activity -> eg cv requests are possible again)
SD report = Smoke Detector
opinion based is its name now but it was earlier named "primarily opinion-based" (POB)
 
@JeanneDark Ok.. so it asks for single-letter input so I should add the letters corresponding to all categories that the question satisfies? Like "o N m" for "opinion-based, probably spam and no mre"?
or does it only take one letter?
@Yatin for this one I simply wrote "o" and hit send
 
Sorry, I can't help with the request generator script. I don't use it.
 
ok
@Yatin @Scratte
 
@Yatin that would have the expected effect. There's normally a preview, but it's currently non-functional due to stack exchange Markdown changes.
 
@Yatin Hmm.. I think the lower case letters stand alone, but the uppercase letters need to come after a lower case letter, since "NATO" isn't a close reason. It's just extra information that it's had recent activity due to a late Answer. I also do not think one can put two lower case letters.
 
9:44 AM
pretty sure it just cares that they're separated by some boundary whose definition I don't recall
let's see...
 
@Yatin But.. if you flag it first, the request generator will remember what you picked and put that in the reason. (Unless you're restarted you browser and running it in private mode, of course)
@RyanM You can't see. There's no preview :D
 
(mostly a typo but I wanted to test ^)
 
^ yup.. I remember from when I played with it. Adding multiple lowercase letters gets the generator confused.
 
That was "r / t / m" - "r, t, m" didn't work, and only picked up the m
 
@RyanM Interesting :) So maybe it's the spacing that is needed. <-- ninja'd, oops.
 
9:47 AM
I believe it's a matter of needing them to be their own "word" - separated, I think, by spaces
 
I started to explain why I think it's too broad, needs details, and other stuff. Some of my requests weren't getting any close votes here, so I examined by strategy. Like "reason (why)"
I learned to do that from JeanneDark ;)
 
@RyanM ohk got it :D
 
@Scratte Glad that I could be helpful :)
 
Oops.. never mind :)
 
10:26 AM
whew, looks like it's Friday again
 
It happens every week! I wonder if they'll ever fix that..
 
@Scratte Given we have to have Friday to get to Saturday, I hope they don't!
 
@Nick you'd think we'd have a workaround for that by now
 
@RyanM maybe we should ask on SO? nah... needs focus...
 
11:22 AM
Huh? Why is a request getting a star?
 
@Scratte someone misclicked, I assume
 
Maybe somebody thought it was a really nice request?
 
@RyanM They were so happy it's Friday that the jumped while firering. I suppose that can happen to the best of us :)
 
@Scratte this was an accident :)
 
11:37 AM
@Scratte "the jumped while firering"? is it happy hour already?
 
@Nick Hmm I couldn't tell with that one, any clues? It's sketchy as heck, at least...
Or just that there's no way a legit post is that sketchy?
 
@RyanM the link goes to a "buy me" page. If it was free, I might give them the benefit of the doubt...
Also the highly upvoted answer suggests you can do the same thing in 1 line of code... no costly plugin required at all
 
Yeah...fair, I'm sold, it's spam.
 
11:58 AM
 
12:27 PM
Kinda tempting to answer that one, even though I know that it's "wrong" to both VTC and answer
 
12:48 PM
Please help me out with this answer stackoverflow.com/a/64387221/11573842 I can definitely see some answers in there but the rest looks like fluff and guessing.
 
@Yatin Close reason for questions that are not in English is "Needs details or clarity"
 
ok
 
Mind your French!
@Yatin you're allowed to leave a comment in the language of the post, telling them to write their post in English. Only if you happen to speak that language of course
 
ok will keep that in mind
 
@Yatin Not sure if you review, but there are a few guidelines and they're very useful when it comes to what to use as close reasons. I read them a while ago myself: How should I get started reviewing Late Answers and First Posts?, What are the guidelines for reviewing? and How does the Triage queue work?
Not sure if the last one has a lot of details on close reasons..
 
1:00 PM
Triage goes like this: You choose "Unsalvageable", the others choose either "Looks ok" or "Requires editing", your flag is disputed, the post eventually closed, and the other reviewers suspended from reviewing ;)
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@Scratte I don't review at Triage. I know they are working on improving it. So right now I am just waiting for that to happen. Other than that I will read the previous 2 links you shared :)
@JeanneDark Yep that suspension part is exactly why I stay away from it meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/295650/…
 
@JeanneDark Actually, that's not entirely correct. Your flag is only disputed if there are 3 "Looks OK". 3 "Requires Editing" doesn't dispute the flag. I've also noticed that if my flags gets disputed in Triage, there's no guarantee that the post will be closed. Often nothing happens.. which is why I end up posting them here :)
 
Audits are easy to spot
@Scratte Ok, thanks! I didn't know exactly how it works, only that both choices were wrong.
 
@Scratte I expect it's because I can't vote, and since my flag was disputed and the post never goes to the close vote queue, no one is the wiser. I think the hunt is for "Requires Editing" only and for post there are in the close vote queue, but have some "wrong" button clicks in Triage.
 
That last SD report is not malicious, just "needs debugging details"
 
1:09 PM
@JeanneDark Sometimes "Looks OK" is the right choice. Skip is the safe choice though :) I think I have at least 50 "Looks OK" out of my 1000 reviews.
 
I really hate when I'm trying to write code and my IDE just outputs "FILLER TEXT FILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXTFILLER TEXT" (context for when people see this and think I've lost it)
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@Scratte I never chose "Looks ok", either "Unsalvageable" or skipped it (even in case of "good" audits: answer looks awesome but potentially spam? Posted 2 hours ago by now deleted user? Go to question, see it got a billion upvotes).
 
@RyanM Huh?.. You IDE does that? Or is that a joke about Question content?
 
@RyanM while true {print('TEXTFILLER')}
 
@Scratte A joke about that last question (the repeating text SD reported)
 
1:12 PM
@JeanneDark That's when you press "Looks OK" and get a free review :)
 
@Scratte that is also one of my complaints with triage. I really don't want to even touch tags that I haven't worked with but triage doesn't provide the ability to filter. So I end up skipping more than I actually spend reviewing :(
 
@Scratte for better or worse, the errors I end up dealing with are much more cryptic :-p
 
@Scratte I know, but I just looked for close-worthy content.
 
Someone just posted an answer written as a poem. Nothing wrong with that I guess, just never seen that before :)
 
@cigien Was it a haiku?
 
1:16 PM
@cigien :O
 
@Nick No, that would have been even more fun :) stackoverflow.com/a/64389395/8372853
 
@Yatin Funny thing.. I started in Late Answers, and I wasn't very good at reviewing, then I moved on to First Posts and I think I improved my skills. I then got to Triage, and despite it not having any filters, I've gone through less posts in Triage (116 pages), then First Posts (143 pages) and most in Late Answers (179 pages). 1000 reviews are 20 pages, so I Skipped a lot.. :)
 
^ that "genuinely asking" got me XD
 
@cigien Yaakov Ellis has been doing that for a while on meta.stackexchange :) There was even a post with a challenge to do so on any site.
 
@cigien I actually consider it noise and therefore wrong, personally
 
suspicious 1 rep user (not blacklisted) linking to the same page on similar questions (they do admit that they wrote that tool) stackoverflow.com/users/14455342/krzysztof-matuszczyk
 
@Scratte Thanks. I can't seem to find where it says to do this on main sites.
 
@cigien Was this on the main site, or on Meta.SO?
... if you can write C++ code that rhymes (and works, and solves the OP's problem), then I'll give you a bounty! ;-)
 
@Yatin Please do not link to user profiles, see FAQ #9 #19 and #20
 
@Yatin They translated their question, but IMO it still needs "debugging details"
 
1:36 PM
@Adriaan ok
 
@Yatin Yeah, btw if you want to discuss spammy users go to chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/11540/charcoal-hq
 
@AdrianMole Main, I linked to it a few messages down. stackoverflow.com/a/64389395/8372853 One issue is, users try to edit, but poetry can be hard to get, and as in this case, the edit might change the intent of the original post.
 
@Dharman ok
 
@Dharman do we need an SME on those GIT spams? If the same tool answers four questions, those questions might be dupes
 
Yeah, someone should review them, however I think that such self-promotion can still be considered spam
 
1:38 PM
@AdrianMole I'm going to hold you to that ;)
 
@cigien Hmm. It's a long-term, high-rep user, and posted as a Community Wiki - so what's the harm?
 
@cigien Oh. It doesn't. It was a meta thing only. But including meta on Stack too. I expect it included all meta sites (So not any site, but any meta site). Awarding reputation points for poems would be quite messy on main sites, no?
 
@Dharman Oh yes, I agree with that. Just musing about the question
 
@AdrianMole No harm really, I was just surprised, as I hadn't seen that before. I'll need to give it more thought, but I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea. e.g. for non-native speakers, a clever, useful to some, and correct poem, might be actively confusing.
@Scratte Aah, I see, that makes a lot more sense :)
 
If anybody sees a clear, readable (even to non-natives), technically correct and helpful actual answer to a questionby a different user, which also is in haiku or sonnet form (or any other defined and somewhat strict form) let me know. I am extremely tight with my hard earned reputation, but that might trigger my first bounty.
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1:43 PM
@cigien There is an explanation of it too, no? So one could say it's for everyone?
 
@Yunnosch I'll see if I can find a post where the following will work as an answer: do { foo(smile); } while (boo); xD
 
@Scratte In this case sure, but if I were going to write a poem, I wouldn't spoil it by adding text explanations :)
 
@cigien Then you'll have all those that find it confusing or think it's noise putting their delete votes on it :(
 
@Yunnosch Well, nothing beats iambic pentameter. I guess I know how I'm going to spend my Friday now :D
 
1:46 PM
Personally, I'm a great fan of Headless Iambic Tetrameter.
 
@Scratte Can't be helped, that's democratic :) Maybe I'll use a very tiny font size for the text ;)
 
In a fantasy background I once encountered the (sadly abstract) concept of poetry which is perceived as mundane prose by humans, because the poetic beauty and strict structural complexity can only be grasped by beings with life spans beyond a thousand years. I try, and of course fail, to imagine such a text.
 
Are the 2 answers here NAAs? stackoverflow.com/q/64313126/1839439
 
strict structural complexity can only be grasped by beings with life spans beyond a thousand years ... sounds like German Grammar.
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I guess one could write a few methods and pick the names so the end call becomes it = this.isMyHaiku(); put = it.willWorkWellForYouToo(); checkThePrintOut(put);
 
1:52 PM
Naaa, Germans also only do 70 to 100 years. The "Tausendjährige Reich" was meant differently.
 
2:11 PM
^ Probably should be flagged for mod attention, and then escalated to a CM.
... even if it's a 'fake'.
 
hope it is fake
 
@AdrianMole what are the chances of a mod seeing it in time. I really hope it is fake. Not a very smart idea to ask people on the internet for help in such a serious situation. But I can definitely understand that someone in desperation will seek help wherever there is hope. :(
 
@Yatin Well, I was just reading the new Meta.SE post about official policy for things like suicide threats, and thought that posts like this should, perhaps, be handled in a similar way. Once a mod does see the flag, they have a method to quickly escalate (if they choose to do so) to the On-Duty CM.
 
@Yatin Mods review the mod queue pretty quickly. Sometimes they wait a while to process a flag but "escalate to CM" is an easy thing that any mod can do
if there's something that might pose a danger to anyone in the real world, mods and CMs want it flagged so they can look up the IP if necessary and contact local authorities
 
2:28 PM
@TylerH ok good to know. I didn't feel very good while flagging that
 
2:40 PM
Hello
I'm hoping this is the right place to ask about questions that don't contain code.
For example, I have a question about threads. This could easily be described at a meta level (without code), such as instead of having 1 cook in the kitchen, you could have 2 cooks, working indepently (and cover the issues that may bring).
Would a question be off topic?

(if it helps, my actual question is what should the flow look like when trying to generate a JWT token in a multi threaded/asynchronous environment - there would be too much code to share IMO). Is this on topic or off topic?
 
@MyDaftQuestions The best place for such an inquiry is actually meta.stackoverflow.com
 
Thank you @TylerH
 
singular
 
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I also pasted the wrong link :) I've updated my message
 
M--
3:01 PM
Have you guys seen anything regarding downvote research and analysis on thank you reaction? We were supposed to get them by July and August... stackoverflow.blog/2020/07/23/…
 
The staff at S.E. Inc. would very much like to express their gratitude to the Community for their feedback concerning recent new features; unfortunately, Thanks™ (and all related reactions) have been utterly eradicated from our repertoire.
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@AdrianMole [citation needed] I need to upvote that post
 
3:17 PM
From that blog post: We currently ask users to downvote posts that are not useful or are unclear, but this can be subjective - Hmmmmm. Seems like they missed a couple of reasons there, and the most objective ones, namely that user didn't do due diligence.
 
@Braiam I think this is what you are looking for meta.stackoverflow.com/q/398909/11573842. It is not as funny as advertised, I am afraid.
 
@Yatin awww
 
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3:31 PM
@Yatin That's not it. I am not sure where @AdrianMole got that from, but the post you're referring to has been published before Q3-loop and doesn't have any data/analysis in it. cc:@Braiam
 
@M-- It came from the warped imagination of a member of the Talpidae family.
 
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:))
 
3:47 PM
Note: 5 declined flags in a day or teasing 5 members of SOCVR with the same message can get your reputation reduced by 10000 points :D Danish: 10.000, English 10,000 :)
 
I think that should be a , not a . else it is just 10 :)
 
@Scratte Wait, for real?
 
@10Rep Do you trust the source? ;)
 
I'll trust the source until I have 5 declined.
But that won't happen for a long time :)
Is this an unfriendly comment? stackoverflow.com/questions/24717470/…
 
3:57 PM
Yeah, it's rude
 
@10Rep I told queen "not constuctive"
 
@Yatin ok... I'm not familiar with the bees functions.
 
@Yatin Nice link :) I am surprised that the 10.000,00 notation that I'm used to is used in what seems to be a much larger geographical area than the 10,000.00 notation. The later seems to be mostly the US, UK, China and Australia.
 
4:14 PM
Does this question count as "recommendation"?
 
@JeanneDark Borderline, it's on-topic but it's way too broad.
 
Thank you!
 
5:14 PM
To clarify: If you suspect a post is spam or NAA, but are unsure, feel free to ask. If you think there's a pattern of posts by a user ask in Charcoal
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There's still 45 minutes left of Vinyl Friday for those that remember what vinyl is ;)
 
 
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6:30 PM
 
Is this NAA?
 
6:46 PM
If anyone is interested in an easy edit I think maybe the header here is a little excessive.
 
@AdrianMole That would be "NANAA", Not a not an answer actually ;)
 
hehe
 
@cigien BATMAN!
 
@Braiam Indeed :)
 
This room should create a task force for a moderation task that spells like BATMAN
 
7:07 PM
@Braiam because all the moderators are numpties
 
Hurroh, good moaning Everybody =} /o
 
7:49 PM
"You haven't voted on questions for a while, questions need votes too!".. <-- Stack is crazy..
 
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