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1:33 AM
I put some items in the queue to go to the file
 
jww
I'm kind of curious.... How does someone earn a gold badge for a tag that appears to be off-topic? (Spotted at Trying to connect through Bridge to Cluster with Windows ssh)
 
@jww He also has a gold badge for [ftp]. Not hard to see where they go hand-in-hand
@jww OH, and he happens to have written the most popular SFTP client for Windows
 
 
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3:05 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Another time, please don't mention the reason for the Roomba not deleting the question is the score (i.e. up-voted) question or answer. Doing so may appear to be a request for down-votes. You've probably seen it mentioned in some del-pls requests posted through the alpha version of the Request Generator. That's my mistake. The script has been updated so that information is not added to del-pls request reasons. We'd prefer to not see it in manually generated ones as well. Thanks.
 
@Makyen Gotcha. Will try to remember not to do this. Obviously, I wasn't requesting DV's on the answer, especially since the answerer is very new to the site.
 
3:22 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Thanks. Yeah, I completely understand. I don't think you were requesting down-votes. Unfortunately, we have to consider what such requests might look like when viewed by someone that's not familiar with SOCVR and/or predisposed to view our activity here negatively. Given that there was the issue of the script including that information, I'm trying to minimize any ripple effects of my causing that information to be included in several requests. Thanks for keeping it in mind.
 
 
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5:17 AM
Still a bunch of stuff in the queue for the tag
For those interested in test automation, there's apparently (and I quote) a Cucumber school now to learn how to... ummm... cucumber?
 
5:56 AM
@TylerH yes, it's always been there I think
 
6:44 AM
^ also see the duplicate nomination
 
7:10 AM
@rene [Trash this please. OP edit and show effort. ](chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/44901139#44901139)
 
@user2314737 those are flagged as spam not vtc'ed
 
@SurajRao I wasn't sure so I did both
 
^ duplicate target already closed, contains the text "I didn't get an answer so posting again" (though they did try to focus the question some)
 
7:44 AM
@Makyen not sure about the industry trend but this is where they are going to.
 
7:59 AM
@rene Thanks. I'll take a look at it. While it looks like the overall concept of what they want is a good idea, the way they've chosen to implement it is significantly contrary to my understanding of what's generally considered best practices.
 
@Makyen maybe we have to conclude SE now has become overall an "on-average" shop leading to on-average practices. You get what you paid for.
 
@rene Sadly, that's not unlikely.
 
9:07 AM
 
9:49 AM
How do we close-vote a question not related to programming?
 
@Steve a custom reason (down near the bottom of the "should be closed ..." dialog) seems like the way to go if none of the standard canned reasons will do
 
sorry if this is a bit frivolous but can anyone provide a hint on how to get a hat like @tripleee ? I deleted some old comments but that doesn't seem to be enough
:)
 
Yes I done that, asking how set the cv-pls reason here
 
@user2314737 this meta question has a list of all the hats with their requirements (if known) meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319838/…
 
@tripleee I don't see the requirements for the toilet paper hat
 
9:52 AM
@Steve "not a programming question" is what I usually put
@user2314737 I don't think we know how to earn it
there was some speculation here the other day but nothing more than that
 
@tripleee thanks for the information
 
@user2314737 the meta post has a link to a chat room where you can probably find lots more speculation
 
10:05 AM
@Steve Visual Studio is a "software tool commonly used by programmers", so it isn't clear to me at all that this question is off-topic?
 
10:41 AM
@AdrianHHH I don't think so. They are asking about the structure / existance of an attribute in source files that are used by / generated by SqlServer Integration Services or whatever that poduct is called now (data transformation services in my days). Question is not awesome but it is on-topic.
 
OK @rene, thanks for that. Please delete my request.
 
 
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12:15 PM
^^ weird duped. Still confuse whats going on ?
 
12:47 PM
Afternoon all
@SmokeDetector Answer looks suspicious and possibly malicious. Can anyone verify in a sandbox?
All I know is that that's a base 64 string that's going to be evaluated
 
@MichaelDodd You're probably right, it does some strange XMLHTTP + Facebook stuff, I wouldn't trust it
 
@ErikvonAsmuth I've modflagged as a potentially malicious answer
@ErikvonAsmuth Definitely malicious then
 
@RO's maybe /dev/null that last comment, linking to a site that develops and shares JS malware might not be a good idea, probably shouldn't have done that
 
1:16 PM
@ErikvonAsmuth Done
 
1:30 PM
Morning
 
o/
 
2:36 PM
Infinitely delicious then.
 
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Q: Will this tag make a [scene] on the way out?

EJoshuaSThe scene tag currently has 783 questions. Its own tag Wiki condemns it: 'scene' can refer to various things. Please combine this tag with other tags to put your question into perspective. I literally have no idea what this tag is even supposed to mean. To address the criteria: It's so v...

 
3:18 PM
@tripleee gotcha, maybe I have never noticed it
I'm still hoping/dreaming for the day when I can upvote/downvote from the CVQueue
 
4:10 PM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null attempt at back-filling an earlier report by SD failed.
 
@TylerH you get the privlege to view this information at 250 rep, I remember earning that, ohterwise I might not have noticed either
 
M-M
Or No MCVE for the last CV that I requested. As OP asks for translating his code from python to R.
 
Ron
4:26 PM
o/
 
@tripleee You have quite the good memory :-P
 
4:42 PM
@Machavity This is no-repo for me. The code works for me both in the question and in their CodePen. I tested in both Chrome and Firefox.
 
@Makyen Bleh. I missed that
 
5:04 PM
/o
 
M-M
5:19 PM
I had a question, maybe not very related to this room. If it very off topic, please remove; If I follow a user who tends to post offensive comments and flag their comments, is it called targeting them or targeting is just about posts and activities like downvoting/upvoting/closing/deleting etc.?
 
@M-M don't stalk users. Flag what you naturally encounter, if you think it's flaggable.
 
M-M
@AaronHall thanks
 
@M-M If the user has a history of posting offensive comments I would mod flag and explain. If you wait for a couple to be posted you can link to them all. Hopefully they will get a talking to. You shouldn't stalk a user though. Once you do that you can/will lose objectivity at some point.
 
and credibility...
 
Well, if a user is privately/individual following a user to track problematic content, I don't see a credibility loss there. Moderators do that, after all. I do agree you will probably lose objectivity though.
 
5:27 PM
In my opinion, flags on different posts by different users is a stronger signal than if they're all by the same user.
 
@M-M Voted OT SU for this one and your last request
 
M-M
@NathanOliver Already did so! What's breaking my heart is that they have been sent to the bench with timed suspension while community can use their contribution/knowledge. Thanks for your insights guys.
 
@AaronHall Yes, I agree more people reporting makes for a stronger/more reliable signal, but it shouldn't discredit an individual's credibility if they are alone in flagging problematic content by another user
At most I would expect a moderator to say "please stop targeting this user, thanks for your effort" because technically "user targeting" is, as a broad subject, against the 'rules' (in quotes there because I'm not sure if there's an actual rule or if it's just what we always agree to on Meta)
 
@jww amazing how old stuff bubbles up like that
 
jww
5:44 PM
@TylerH - Out of curiosity, is it possible to target questions that are answered (not asked) by a particular user? It kind of turns the diagram upside down. Does it go on? Is it frowned upon?
 
@jww What do you mean?
You think a user is posting a bunch of bad answers or something?
Or you think a certain type of question is fodder for such bad/abuse answers?
 
I still feel there is a loss of objectivity there. If you're like, this guy only answers bad questions, I should check all the other Q's and deal with them, then you are going in with a bias. That can lead you to being more harsh then you would be if you stumbled upon it in the wild.
 
@jww My gut reaction to that is, no, it probably doesn't happen, as if you want to target a user, that's done by following the user, e.g. their answers.
@NathanOliver Yes, but another word for bias in this situation that I think may be more appropriate is "context"
Note I am not recommending any of this is OK, just debating the subject from all sides here
 
jww
@M-M - "If I follow a user who tends to post offensive comments and flag their comments..." - I think that is kind of weird. How do you track them? One of those SEDE scripts?
 
IMHO, the only user stalking you should really do is look for a pattern (do they plagiarize, sock puppets, voting ring), if they do, then mod flag and let the mods target the users (that's what they are designed for).
 
5:49 PM
@jww My guess is either a SEDE script or just going to the user's profile page and looking at their comments tab
 
All users can see the Comments tab of another user. Moderators can also go to a user's profile and view that user's Responses tab to see @mention replies to said user. Said user can also do the same for their own profile, but can't see that tab for other users.
@jww Lets not bring specific users into the discussion...
 
jww
@TylerH - No harm. They told me they did it in comments on questions. They were very proud of it. All public info.
 
True, but we do not talk about them necessarily here
 
M-M
@jww I was going through questions on a specific tag, and they were a major contributor to newest questions on there. So, my bad, by following I meant just coming across some of their comments and then checked other posts by them. Geez! I was stalking, now that I am saying it out loud.
 
5:57 PM
 
M-M
@TylerH it is always a mystery to me. Why others should be able to see comments/activities of each other? it almost looks like that SO is designed for Online Stalkers (like me? :s)
 
@jww Yes, it is possible. It's been seen a couple/few times with requests made in here. In the FAQ, it's explicitly mentioned as an example of something that's considered user targeting.
 
@M-M =D
 
@M-M Yeah, I'm not sure on the reasoning for that, either. It may have just been an oversight.
 
@jww Let's avoid making assertions that they are stalking you. Knowing what the scripts can be used for is sufficient
 
jww
6:00 PM
@Machavity - Tracking then? What would you call the SO equivalent to someone putting a tracking device on you and following you in the real world?
 
M-M
@jww gpSO :D
 
@jww The issue there isn't with the word. Feel free to say it can be used to stalk users. Just don't go around saying certain users are stalking you. That's much harder to prove and not really what SOCVR is about
 
M-M
@NathanOliver I agree! going back to the three flags that I have already raised on that user's comments, I guess the last one is borderline ok.
 
someone agreed with me on the internet. Is the world ending? ;)
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I put a few more questions in the queue.
 
6:12 PM
Dose that mean they are circling the drain?
 
Hopefully :)
 
jww
@Machavity - well, I should be able to cite them for you. Can you tell me how to query my Inbox messages for messages from a particular user? Sorry to ask. I don't use SEDE, so I know little to nothing about it (other than it can be used for stalking)
 
and since I'm hanging out here I'm constantly amazed at with what naivete I've been using stackexchange all these years :)
 
@jww You're missing the point, tho. We're not here to adjudicate if they're stalking you. If you're being harassed in comments, mod flag them and let mods handle it
 
afk for a couple of hours, time to for shopping and prepping the BBQ :}
 
6:25 PM
@SmokeDetector The email address provided in this post is the official method of submitting a "suspected malware detection failure". While it may be the wrong thing to do for the specific case in the question (that case is described in a different knowledge base article), it's not spam.
 
6:55 PM
It looks like someone found @Compass
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@Machavity lol. My own cat keeps trying to get out and the I know if he does he'll end up just like that. So now he just attacks me because I won't let him out.
 
M-M
7:33 PM
... or Too Broad
 
Roomba Forecaster, version 2.1.1 (GitHub) (install): updated to to handle yesterday's change in SE's HTML.
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jww
@Mayken - But you are missing the point, too. You effectively called me a liar in front of the group. I'd like to prove you wrong in front of the group. I'm also not asking anyone to adjudicate. I simply state the events happened and it is public information.
 
M-M
@jww first it wasn't @Makyen. It was @Machavity. Second, nobody thinks you are liar and at least I haven't been under the impression that you have been called one. We all know weird ppl are on SO and doing viscous things. Let's just raise flags and let the mods deal with them as they are supposed to. Cheers.
 
jww
@Makyen - Sorry about that. I guess you were the first in the autocomplete list.
 
7:46 PM
np
 
@jww I never asserted you were a liar or even mistaken. What I said was it's outside the scope of the room to make such assertions. SOCVR tries not to be a political (in the SO sense) room.
 
@Machavity Instructions unclear... we can talk about US politics now? :-D :-P (just kidding)
 
M-M
@TylerH if we could, were you really interested?
 
@M-M I personally enjoy discussing politics though I support the fact that such discussion is off-topic here
because I also enjoy having laser-focused chatrooms
 
@jww And understand that person pays even more attention to this room than they do to you. We want to be beyond reproach for that reason
If you want to rant about people there's plenty of other rooms to do so
 
M-M
7:55 PM
@TylerH ok, then let's don't discuss. Just laugh at this in your own time, lol: bit.ly/2CtwT2E
p.s. laugh bipartisanly
 
@M-M actually that's the fault of an automated program that that user uses to post tweets
the title of the article she is linking to is included in the body, and it happens to be named 'john mccain still refuses to answer questions yada yada' but it is dated from 2017
 
jww
@TylerH - Too funny. Is that a parody account, or is it a real account?
 
Everything after the hashtag is essentially a 'quote'
 
jww
@M-M- Too funny. Is that a parody account, or is it a real account? (My bad, not @Tyler).
 
M-M
@TylerH yeah, the news was from a year ago. And that's exactly why we can laugh at it here, with more consciousness involved. The fact that we know using bots irresponsibly can be destructive. LOL
@jww It is real! @TylerH explained what happened, but still funny!!!
 
jww
8:20 PM
@M-M - Here's are similar ones I watch on occasion to see what they say to one another: ai chatbots talking to one another. I understand two of them recently started speaking their own language during a negotiation. They invented it on the fly.
 
jww
@Machavity - If you have some time, view the YouTube one of the man and lady bot talking. The manbot says, "I'm not a robot, I am a unicorn". They remind me of an old married couple arguing...
 
9:22 PM
@Makyen roomba forecaster looks broken. I get "Roomba ...". Not as useful as before :)
All Makyen scripts packed in at the same time :)
 
9:58 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre the CSS updates of SE over the last couples days cause havoc among userscript developers
 
10:11 PM
@Makyen Regarding leaderboards on your rogdort discussion w/ Rob, bear workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/124711/… in mind
@Jean-FrançoisFabre It's been updated to account for the new changes, see the starboard
 
10:34 PM
@MatthieuBrucher Correct, that will not roomba
@MatthieuBrucher If you want to run a userscript that will help forecast when things will Roomba, check makyen's link to the Roomba Forecaster on the star board over to the right ->
 
It's only negative that get rumbaed, right? With do accepted answers
Thx, that's most helpful :)
 
@MatthieuBrucher Nothing with an accepted answer will ever be Roomba'd, even if it is negatively-scored
Check stackoverflow.com/help/roomba for a comprehensive list of what Roombas and when
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre If this is not resolved by the update to Roomba Forecaster I released today, please tell me. I'll have an update for the alpha Request Generator shortly. Thanks for the problem reports.
 
11:28 PM
The alpha version of the Request Generator, version 1.8.2.0 (GitHub) (install), has been updated to handle yesterday's change in SE's HTML.
^ cc @Jean-FrançoisFabre
 

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