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2:00 PM
@gunr2171 do a floating point bug.
 
@PetterFriberg "working it" might be the better term? :P
 
^^ too broad
 
So
This might even be a security issue.
 
@Magisch That's what I was thinking...
 
Where do I report something like this
@CodyGray Also cody can you delete this from chat
 
2:03 PM
@Magisch Sure. See the help center
 
Also from sobotics pls
 
Interesting...
 
quite a few "I wants" this morning lol
but no "I tried..." 's
 
2:22 PM
@CodyGray Is there anything else I need to do besides fill out a "other" contact us report?
I don't want to get my account nuked by openly talking about what could be a security vulnerability
 
@Magisch I've never done this before, but I would say that's all.
You covered up the evidence. Should be fine. :-)
 
@Magisch you will get an email as response, that's your reply that SO got it "It's the diligence of users like you that helps us stay valuable!" ;)
 
@PetterFriberg I'd like to know if they consider it to be a security issue or a feature
I guess I won't get that answer if they do
 
@halfer take a deep breath
 
@Magisch If they do consider it a vulnerability, you'll get an answer from a real human and some praise. Somewhere, there's a wall of fame where they list people who have reported vulnerabilities. Can't remember where it is right now, though. Ah, here: stackexchange.com/about/security
 
2:27 PM
@Magisch No way will you account get nuked for that! BTW, what's your Skype/Slack/Discord account names?
 
I kind of want to do more testing to see how serious it is but I'm not risking it
could be considered abuse
@MartinJames When I'm at home
 
Hey rene is on the Hall of Fame :D
 
Yeah, I even think he got some nice swag ;)
and Jeremy Banks basically hacked his way in to become a employee :D
 
@Magisch This might qualify for their bug bounty program
 
2:54 PM
hi o/
 
o/
 
\o
just checking in to see if the cv-pls userscript works :)
 
@NathanOliver Don't think so, I may just be overreacting
I shot them a contact us mail I'll see what they reply (if they reply at all)
 
my above vtc could also be as unclear; it doesn't make much sense
 
@PowerStar the format is [tag:cv-pls] <reason> <link>
 
@PowerStar If you are requesting we review a question to see if it should be closed please add [tag:cv-pls] to your request.
 
Is this enough of an answer to stick around?
 
@NathanOliver Ok I got it
 
@PowerStar "no clear" is not a reason. I suppose you mean "unclear", like the official reason says?
@PatrickHofman reject the edit on that as well as no improvement
 
3:09 PM
@Redo We don't so messages like that here
 
not asking to flag. Just wondering
 
Wondering what? You didn't ask anything. You just called out a user (which we don't do) for answering a question
@BhargavRao are you lurking?
 
I don't think so.
 
@PatrickHofman When my time on SO is done, and an I want to go out in a blaze of suspended glory, I will do it by commenting on such questions 'Who the something cares?'
 
@BhargavRao I was about to edit it then I saw it is closed by you
 
3:12 PM
On that SD report that you closed You might want to edit it before you do so so someone doesn't edit it and push it into the review queue.
 
I didn't edited when I saw that it's already closed
 
@NathanOliver nah, it'll be pushed even if I edit it. So let's leave it atm.
 
@BhargavRao not if you edit before you close
 
Yeah. But can't help now. :(
 
No. It was just some future advice.
 
3:14 PM
can us mere mortals reopen a Q closed by a mod?
 
Not to say it is advice from the future but advice to consider in the future in such cases
 
@Adriaan The edit is an improvement, it corrects the spelling. The question will get deleted though and the rep lost. I think that is a better lesson than rejecting it.
 
@Adriaan Yes
 
@PatrickHofman editing it after closure pushes it into the reopen queue, whereas no improvement whatsoever has been made which warrants reopening. <- you can use that as a "other" reason as well.
Hence whilst the edit is not wrong, it causes a harmful effect
and rejecting through a button push is easier than writing out a full reason (which barely anyone reads anyway), besides: so much more should've been improved in terms of aesthetics.
 
@Adriaan Closed, yes. Deleted, no
 
3:19 PM
@Adriaan maybe that's one of those VLQ that are not NAA, baah
 
@NathanOliver yep, I'll take care next time. Thanks and Sorry!
 
3:31 PM
@Shadow I cv'd. I wanted to dv as well, but that would mean another two mouse-clicks, and that's more effort than the OP put in to research before posting;(
5
 
@Redo code in question works perfectly. may be no repro can be changed to unclear
 
@Redo hmm not sure he wants code "takes in a user object and a newEmail string", his attempt does not have that, not sure if that should be closed as usual maybe you should only judge research effort.
 
@Machavity late, but I don't see a reply (hey, it's chat NATO) -- did you check pages 2&3 before the cleanup? There were Qs there earlier. The userscript works on the results of a "raw" chat search, which will include closed/deleted questions, etc. No repagination is done. Once the cleanup runs, those questions "further down" end up in the first page of search results once again.
 
3:52 PM
What do we do with this‌​? Close as too broad? Close as unclear? Close as typo? Close as dupe of how a for loop works? This question will never be useful to anyone else.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis too broad, unclear
The reasoning is I don't understand ".length" += part, since this is basic java, you need to write an essay about java to explain these concept so he can understand it correctly, unclear, is he really asking this?
 
@PetterFriberg Possibly has no software skills at all, just took money to do someone else's work, then posted it to SO to get it done for free. Happens more than you think.
 
discord
 
@MartinJames beeh I presume good faith, it's just not a good question for SO, title is bad, it's not clear what he understands (does he understand what an array is?) etc... but I know someone will not be happy when I vote to delete that.
 
@Magisch Copypasta'd.
 
4:01 PM
;(
 
@PaulRoub I didn't, but only because the page was mostly empty (maybe 10 Qs showed needing closure)
 
^ that stands for millionth
 
@Magisch Now we can communicate if your account gets nuked:)
 
I hope not
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Oh look, a NPE. That's new:)
 
4:07 PM
@MartinJames actually what I like less is that it actually have 2 upvotes, hence someone clicked "This question show research effort and is useful for others"
 
^^^^ +1 It's absurd, or it's pity
but I will not have it
not in my tags
 
you have heck of tag, it will kill you before you can kill it ;)
 
@PetterFriberg cv-pls for too broad ;)
 
90% of questions are duplicates, I did not have the energy Sotirios have to navigate through all those, I just get depressed when I look, so I prefer to stay in my low-traffic tag, answer some times something that I think can be useful and then spend the time deleting NAA ecc.
I should go an answer some to get to 20K so I can start to delete better, but... but... heck NO
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg that's exactly what I'm doing - increasing my rep to get over the 20K and also it improves my programming
 
user3956566
4:14 PM
and maybe the site
 
user3956566
@MartinJames that comment starred ->> is hilarious
 
@YvetteColomb I tried on week-end but after the 5 question I voted to duplicate and just leave a comment that indicates the solution I got demotivated.
 
@AnttiHaapala Please don't discuss whether you are downvoting or voting-to-close a question. That just makes your comments hostile and upsets users. I know everyone says they want comments on downvotes, but we really don't.
 
user3956566
@CodyGray I really only leave comments for newcomers - I'm finding if I link to the idownvotedbecause site it's actually getting some good results with people editing and improving the posts
 
user3956566
4:18 PM
@PetterFriberg same it happens and can be dis heartening. But it's rewarding - just take a breather and go back - I find it's also an opportunity to close vote poor questions
 
@CodyGray Nobody wants comments on downvotes. As I've often said, many posters SAY they want downvote comments until they actually get them.
 
user3956566
oh - I've answered a question and I suspect the question is going to morph - I hate that
 
user3956566
@CodyGray what's your opinion on questions changing after answers have been posted?
 
@YvetteColomb No "opinion" there. It's not okay. A question cannot be changed so drastically that it invalidates existing answers.
...which is why it's important to get problematic questions closed early!
 
user3956566
@CodyGray it's this one stackoverflow.com/questions/45773013/… a high rep user with a bounty
 
4:24 PM
@YvetteColomb When I faced a similar issue on my question I added to the question as EDIT: preserving the old question
 
user3956566
@AjayBrahmakshatriya yep I add this link in the comments meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/290297/… but I am up against a bunch of very high rep users.
 
I don't really know a lot about the tech involved, but that doesn't seem to me like a drastic change. He's just provided additional information in the form of a web.config file. Why is that a problem? Also, I'm inclined to give a bit more leeway when a bounty is being offered.
 
user3956566
@CodyGray thanks I appreciate the feedback
 
user3956566
I had a client that wanted to know how to save his password - he honestly didn't understand the concept of saving passwords within the browser. (the question I answered reminded me of it) - this was a person with a tech startup - web app and mobile apps O>O
 
@YvetteColomb My mother calls to tell me how much she hates passwords about once a week.
She doesn't run a web startup, though.
 
user3956566
4:34 PM
@CodyGray lol - I'm taking my 80 year neighbour tomorrow to return her new pc - they have "fixed it" and it's still not working. The darling calls me with similar issues. She's been really good to me, so I'm happy to help her
 
user3956566
@CodyGray I was truly shocked by how little these people knew about IT. Mind boggling - they had been ripped off blind until they met me.
 
That's everyone. It's a huge rip-off.
 
user3956566
yep
 
user3956566
it's nice to see you in chat :) I had nicknamed you the anti-chatter - will have to change that now
 
@YvetteColomb We have a place here called best buy and they have a geek squad that fixes computer problems. If it is a software issue they just run this master program and whatever it fixes it fixes and they charge you $100/hr to do it (they don't actually say this is what they are doing though). If it still doesn't work they give you a BS excuse, charge you some more money and have the one person that actually knows what they are doing work on it.
 
4:44 PM
@NathanOliver They have someone who knows what they're doing? When did that policy change go into effect?
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver yep - well I'm not a hardware expert - but the machine won't stay on lol
 
@CodyGray It might not be available in all stores. The one by me has one person that knows what they are doing
 
@CodyGray They contract it out. They make enough money with the dumb stuff to be able to get the tough problems sorted by someone who actually knows something.
 
user3956566
@MartinJames isn't that what a lot of Tech companies do anyhow?
 
^ probably that as well
 
4:48 PM
@YvetteColomb Sorta, yes, though the buck has to stop somewhere. If I'm on a contract, I can't easily just give up and pass on the problem to someone else. I have to fix it.
 
flops in
 
user3956566
@MartinJames well yes -as a programmer I have to fix it also - I've just worked for a lot of people who contract the work - pass it on to someone else - and then sometimes another party - before it's been handed to me and other devs - I don't want to work like that anymore. They charge the client a fortune and my pay rate drops.
 
@YvetteColomb I've done a couple of direct contracts. More money, but you have to wait ages to get paid. Nothing like three months of travel/hotel bills, without a penny in payment, to make you appreciate the rip-off agencies.
 
user3956566
@MartinJames I totally understand that - trust me - I only ever work from home though - I haven't met most of my clients or fellow devs. We do skype and chat.
 
@YvetteColomb That's great! My jobs have usually involved dedicated, or special-to-type, hardware. That means I have to travel to the dev. lab, or whatever;(
 
5:01 PM
heard a ding then poof! it was gone
 
user3956566
he's a magician :)
 
he's got me rabbit then and my hat
can't emphasize on too broad enough ^
 
user3956566
@Fred-ii- You should see what he did to Jon Clements squeaky toy
 
@YvetteColomb lmho!
 
Hum... I can't close that one as duplicate. Should I flag it? stackoverflow.com/questions/24351308/…
 
5:04 PM
> but it was not answered
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 it has answers now
 
it was answered by him
 
user3956566
@CÅ“ur any reason you're digging up such old questions?
 
the only way you can close as duplicate to a non-accepted post is if both posts were by the same author
 
@YvetteColomb S/he's a tomb-raider.
 
5:06 PM
(yeah, English skills not working today, too lazy to fix)
 
@YvetteColomb I'll need that magician here...............
 
@gunr2171 actually the answer just needs to be upvoted.
 
user3956566
@Fred-ii- already voted O>O
 
@NathanOliver yeah, just saw that
 
I NEVER TOUCHED SQUEAKY!
 
5:08 PM
@YvetteColomb they want me/us to do what actually? LOL! I know.. you can't answer that neither.
 
I'm being framed!
 
user3956566
@MartinJames so you say - so you say :D
 
user3956566
@MartinJames just like a picture ;)
 
@CÅ“ur oh, so now I understand what's going on. The person who answered the original question made a new question just so he could copy the answer and get a checkmark.
 
user3956566
5:09 PM
@Fred-ii- i found a really good example of a bad question - I really wish I had bookmarked it
 
@YvetteColomb here
(I'm so evil)
 
@YvetteColomb I remember one once, it was so bad, I don't even know if any web browser would have even outputted anything, TBH. I'm marked for life; no need to bookmark that one lol
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 hey! lolololololol that was funny
 
@CÅ“ur I'd mod flag, let them know what happened and as them to delete tha duplicate.
 
user2371524
@PaulRoub why could I vote to delete there? I thought it would take 20k reps? :o (if there's a link, you just have to "click and see" g)
 
5:16 PM
Oh... I see - Now who was unclear/unhelpul to start off with?
 
@FelixPalmen If it has been closed for more than 2 days 10K+ers can vote to delete
 
user2371524
wow, how could I miss this ... haha
 
@NathanOliver flag done.
 
:)
@CÅ“ur cool
 
@NathanOliver by the way, I wish you had upvoted my question on ruby tags earlier... it was meant to be a "discussion"... and now it's downvoted and closed, annihilating the possibility that people give guidance to something that even you admitted your didn't know.
I wish there would be a bit more speech freedom on Meta.
 
5:25 PM
wat
 
@CÅ“ur Sorry, I wasn't sure and when I'm not sure I don't vote.
 
user3956566
@CÅ“ur important not to actually ask people to up or down vote anything
 
@YvetteColomb It's a meta Q so I'm not worried
 
user3956566
@CÅ“ur what's bothering you? the meta culture can be difficult to navigate sometimes
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver ah k coolies ;)
 
5:28 PM
About something else: I know that starting 10k (or is it 20k?) people can see deleted posts, but does it apply to deleted comments as well?
 
user3956566
anyway I'm going to bed - it's super late early
 
user3956566
@CÅ“ur nope only mods can see those
 
user3956566
we can see deleted posts at 10k
 
OK, so what NathanOliver and I are talking about is probably only known by the two of us and mods.
 
@CÅ“ur Yep
 
5:32 PM
good ~night~ day Yvette
 
Wondering if I did a bad close here for stackoverflow.com/q/45802241 as a repost of stackoverflow.com/q/45797796 - seems to valid to me, thoughts?
the latter I closed as a parse error related dupe
where they stated "solved: i missed ; in echo file" in an edit they made stackoverflow.com/revisions/45797796/3
someone added another duplicate for the former, so that should also cover it
 
@Fred-ii- The latter has a pretty major typo
 
good night all
 
@Machavity dupe(s) cover those. I think it was a valid close. I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. Both questions appear to contain the same codes.
 
5:41 PM
I'm strangely intrigued now what @CÅ“ur and @Nathan now that mods do but I don't seem to
 
@JonClements mods are people too ;-)
 
@Fred-ii- I'm a puppy I'll have you know!
 
@JonClements Not in here but on CÅ“ur's meta post. I had some comments that I delete because I wasn't reading it right
 
@JonClements and I've been called "a sick puppy with worms" quite a few times. well.. by a sibling mind you.
 
Ahh okies
Oo... which version of worms - clan wars?
 
5:44 PM
there are versions of them?
 
@Nathan all that mystery over just three rather boring deleted comments? Talk about an anti-climax :)
 
@JonClements It was a climin
 
Nice typo of "Huh" as "Hun" though :)
 
I've been logging into so many servers today - I immediately thought you'd typo'ed "ssh" :)
 
5:52 PM
:p
 
I'm so dumbfounded to see an undelete vote in for an earlier question that took the cake / prize on being unclear.
 
@Fred-ii- it could be the OP. They get a vote even if they don't have the rep
 
@NathanOliver there was no way to solve it; not in the state it was in.
and they told me I wasn't helpful; good one.
 
That doesn't mean they still don't want an answer ;)
 
that ^ was the pot calling the kettle black
 
5:54 PM
The OP just wants an answer, they don't care if we don't like the question
 
well they won't have one, so they'll have to look through their files, logs and take it from there. Nothing that wasn't already stated.
too many tags used and no code to boot; nice formula, huh?
 
@Fred-ii- That's always a winning combination
 
@NathanOliver hehe
missing a dot ^
 
JAL
6:17 PM
Hi, I see my meta question is generating a lot of traffic. I plugged SOCVR here. Let me know if this is an issue
 
@JAL the only issue is that you haven't played games with us recently!
 
JAL
@gunr2171 I know I know, I'm so sorry
 
:P
 
JAL
I've been working my way through the Uncharted series recently, so I've been playing those single player games
 
ah, ok.
afk going to go stare at the sun
 
JAL
6:19 PM
enjoy!
i brought my eclipse glasses to work
 
JAL
@MartinJames yuck
reminds me of this:
Aug 4 '16 at 15:04, by JAL
void *p = (void *)&UIActivityTypeMail;
NSString *str = *((__unsafe_unretained NSString **)(p));
 
o/
Just got back from watching the eclipse
 
@MartinJames three star programmer
 
6:31 PM
@taskinoor 'huge multilevel UB' LOL..
 
ITS SO DARK OUTSIDE OWO
 
probably not 100% sure for that, but seems to be licensing related also, as per my vtc above
 
@JAL Eww...
 
@Compass take your sunglasses/eclipse glasses off
 
@Compass apparently it's "Moon eats the Sun" day...
 
6:33 PM
AHHH
MY CAT HISTORY DOES NOT EXPLAIN THIS
 
we hear you well
 
lol
this nasa feed just went awkward
this student was talking about how her classmates were talking to each other in Mexican =w=
 
@JonClements Better known as "Monday" in most of the world
 
No sun here anyway - 100% cloud.
 
A coworker took a telescope and set it up pointed at the sun. Put some paper a couple of feet away and it gave a pretty good image of it
 
6:46 PM
I guess the cloud look slightly darker..but then it's late anyway.
Will the help-vampires wake up for five minutes during the day?
 
the sun has set here, not sure were all the fuss is about ...
 
@rene It is the wrath of God upon us for electing Donald Trump. Either that or I should stop watching MSNBC
 
Ron
Sup?
 
@Machavity Switch to Fox.
 
Ron
Or Geico. You will save 15%.
 
6:55 PM
@Machavity I'm confused. Are there two Gods?
 
@rene Only in the GOP
 
....
 
@rene Depends. Since you live in the EU, probably (although I hear tell that Greece says there's more than that)
 
Welp, I'm pissed at my friends for not telling me sunscreen on the eyes was a bad idea for the eclipse
 
@TylerH But you used toothpicks on your eyelids to keep them open, right?
 
Ron
7:00 PM
Haha
 
@Machavity I used those binder clips but toothpicks would've been much easier
 
Keep Calm and Oreo.
 
Ron
Good old days when there was that supersonic passenger jet and you could fly down the eclipse path.
 
The Concorde?
 
Ron
Yep.
 
7:05 PM
Actually, a couple of items in the queue for right now.
 
Ron
7:15 PM
Eternal
Wrong window...
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis What happened in the second edit summary of that post?
 
Hmm, copy paste error?
 
Ron
Close.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis That might be the only explanation...
 
Ron
Actually I started writing some nonsense as "Eternal eclipse of the spotless mind." then noticed there was an annoying fly in the room, I turned all the lights and monitor off to try to lure the fly out with a flash light. When I came back I accidentally pressed enter.
And lied it was a wrong window to spare myself from having to write the above text.
Haha. I need to get a proper daytime job. Pronto.
The fly is still in the room, btw.
 
7:42 PM
what language is this? java? stackoverflow.com/questions/45800205/…
 
yeah, for android
 
5 upvotes on a typo. Wonderful:(
 
@MartinJames For the answer it doesn't look so much better...
 
8:17 PM
Thanks brilliant -.-
I wanted to know where in the post
ah, he called one of his functions like his username. Splendid idea always
 
8:36 PM
0
Q: Need to [ir]radiate this tag

Machavityir Ran across this today and it's loaded with bad questions. The excerpt itself condemns it This tag is ambiguous, do not use. For questions about LLVM intermediate representation, use [llvm-ir]. For questions about infrared technology and protocols, use [infrared]. For questions about infor...

 
8:52 PM
Need sleep. Good night! o/
 
9:06 PM
If I try to store 12.34567 in a sql field w/ the data type of numeric(5, 3), will it error or will it simply truncate the stored value to 12.345?
 
@TylerH Depends on the engine. In MySQL at least, it will truncate
 
SQL Server
silent truncation seems a little dangerous
 
Sorry, was thinking varchar for some reason. They silently round.
So your 12.34567 would be stored as 12.346
 
Thanks
 
hmm I don't think even varchar does silent turncation, I remember mysql throwing errors.
 
9:15 PM
I know you can force truncation if you turn off ANSI Warnings
but I will have that on
 
@PetterFriberg 5.6 is really, really permissive on stuff. 5.7 is more anal like SQL Server is
 
I just got 26 emails from email addresses like "hacker213four", "hacker142three"
with subject "F* you, suck my *"
ahaha
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis it's a mass spam attack
I mean, obviously
but specifically tons of people all over are getting it
 
awww, I thought I was special
 
@Machavity Yeah found this also you can set mysql to throw error davidpashley.com/2009/02/15/silently-truncated
 
9:17 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis do any of them have attachments, like .7z?
 
no, none @TylerH
 
might be different, then. You could have pissed off someone in particular :-D
 
on SO I assumed yeah
 
Probably someone who asked "So when is Yahoo moving away from Java" and you called 'em a troll, rightfully :-P
 
Java will outlast C
 
9:20 PM
and now you will get another 100 emails..
 
Ron
Haha
101
 
5 emails, not too bad
 
Ron
Well keeping a public email string literal like that is a bold move in my opinion.
 
@Ron it's a stackoverflow-only address so probably not that big of a deal though
 
Ron
Ah, right, I was thinking about the yahoo one.
 
9:24 PM
Lol, I love the title of the 5th result on my latest google query: "Never use floats for money"
 
Ron
Good advice.
Prefer double.
 
@Ron long int
 
Ron
@MartinJames And keep the change?
Or divide by 100.
 
@MartinJames you actually call it long int?, in java it's either int or long.
 
Ron
Which is what Delphi does. There is a Currency type in Delphi. Integral type behind the scenes multiplied by 10e4
 
9:30 PM
in java there is BigDecimal in c# decimal.
 
@Ron Yes, very useful:)
 
Ron
It guarantees the precision up to 4 decimals.
After that each to their own.
 
@Ron Yeah - you really need 'automatic' scaling, like you described above.
 
Ron
Floating point (math) is broken as is the entire world that runs on binary machines.
 
\o 'ello all
 
Ron
9:35 PM
o/
 
Does anyone think this is getting too broad? stackoverflow.com/questions/45804580/… The OP provided an attempt, but did not describe what they get with their old code, and after asking them three times for a description of the output, they finally added the output of code from a helpful answer. I suspect a substantial language barrier here.
I've VtC but don't know if I am being too harsh.
 
I don't think you're being too harsh
but if you ask again you might be
It looks like he has included an image of his current output
I will leave a comment with a question I have
 
I'm out of votes
 
@TylerH The number in table are different, but bla a boring debug my code question, hardly useful for anyone else.
 
oh, the first column was the same, so I thought they all were, since he didn't specify the error
 
9:49 PM
he needs to sort the arrays or search for value in array
 
Ron
Whose shoulder do I cry on if I feel my edit was wrongly rejected?
 
find a lonely mod
 
Ron
haha
Can one flag edit reviews?
nvm
 
__o__/ <-- have a shoulder @Ron
It's completely waterproof
 
Ron
Haha, nice one. Here comes the torrent.
 
9:57 PM
@Ron You will get bit
 
Ron
0 or 1?
 
I don't byte, but you might get a nybble :-)
 
Ron
Freemasons remixes... Why wasn't I told about this earlier? Late blooming at its worst.
How's that brexit coming along? Or is that a taboo in here?
 
I think they're making a dog's brexit of it!
/me pours himself an Ardbeg
 
Don't start me on that crap;(
 
Ron
10:03 PM
Agreed.
 
@MartinJames Which, Brexit or the whisky? :-p
 
@halfer That's a good idea! (the whisky:)
 
Ron
For me it's whisky. I quit the booze more than a year ago.
And discovered the 70s and 80s music.
 
@Ron: serious answer to Brexit. The UK is in quite a serious bind - membership of the EU should never come up in a referendum, since it was an internal Tory party squabble. The anti-EU propaganda from the trash papers was never going to be fair, and as far I can make out, the close result is void, since the conditions for the voting were not "free and fair", which is the basic international standard.
Meanwhile people strongly in favour of leaving will push us to do so even if it means economic collapse, because that's "respecting the democratic result".
 
Ron
I hope you guys stay in the EU.
 
10:07 PM
My guess is that Scotland will leave the UK and re-join the EU, so the UK in its present form will collapse.
Yes, but I don't think the angry tabloids will permit it - our politics is always too much in hock to them.
There is even the possibility that the Tory party will split into two (pro and anti EU) parties, which would be a huge shift in the UK political landscape.
 
@halfer \o/ a fellow believer! An Oa!
 
@Adriaan :-) I went to Islay last year - visited five distilleries, including this one.
 
I'd love to go once. I've been to mainland Scotland and Skye a few years back, but visited only two (Oban and Dalwhinnie)
 
I spend way too much money on the "water of life"!
Ooh, Skye has Talisker, which is a fine dram.
 
I took a bus from Kyle of Lochalsh to Portree and the same back 3 hours later, so no Talisker for me alas
 
10:16 PM
Console yourself by purchasing a bottle instead! Do you have a favourite dram?
Mine is probably Arran Machrie Moor (Cask Strength), full of coastal salt and some great peaty notes.
 
Mine's Ardbeg :p
Hence I was glad to spot a fellow enthusiast.
Anyhow, it's bedtime here now. Good night!
 
Ah, gotcha. I have just the 10yo, but I have a friend who has the Rollercoaster and several of the Ugadaels
G'night \o
 
10:30 PM
also swearing now
looks like they're a troll
 

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