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12:09 AM
@xenteros Please include the [cv-pls] request reason in plain text, not in a tag. The basic format is [tag:cv-pls] close reason https://stackoverflow/q/12345. Please see: How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?. There's a handy user script, which will post the request for you.
 
and the answers start pouring in like oranges
 
@Fred-ii- Ripe, succulent and yummy?
 
@Makyen yeah; mostly the middle word applies; such juiciness when the blood starts to flow
 
@Fred-ii- :-)
 
@Makyen :-)
 
12:26 AM
User posted this after deleting this which was closed as asking for an example. Their new question is still just as broad.
 
12:44 AM
@SmokeDetector naa
 
12:54 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Im going to pull my hair out
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis: some people just don't get it.
 
Fire in the hole on that one
 
don't get what? (jk)
 
I don't know how to reply to their last comment without being condescending :( @HovercraftFullOfEels Do we just give up?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis: one of the few I want to say, "programming isn't for everyone, you know".
Maybe look into doing something else, say basket weaving.
 
12:59 AM
full restraint right now
I want to help this person but they're making it extremely difficult
 
One more down-vote and we can vote to delete
 
TIL: Java code doesn't come from anywhere. It's just there and it works.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels if you were talking about this one, that was delete'able a while ago.
which is in code heaven now
 
Nah, another. But don't want to draw attention, just want to rant
 
@Fred-ii-: no another one
 
Ron
1:02 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels While at it you might want to say that to the entire Academia.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis he deleted all his comments, he's probably too embarraseed.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels ah ok
 
oops embarrassed
 
Ron
And add: programming is not (trivial) math.
 
or why not working - it's mostly unclear for me
@SotiriosDelimanolis I admire your candor. They've obviously been chased down a rabbit hole on that awful / unclear question.
 
1:09 AM
@Fred-ii- My favorite part of that link is Answer well-asked questions
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis indeed. Anybody can go to the fish market but can they all do what the real fishermen do? lol I think not.
and their forefathers that taught 'em
 
1:34 AM
a terrible one at that; see my comment.
and an equally terrible answer, which doesn't really matter what case it's in, the isset that is
 
2:36 AM
I believe the too broads and the unclears both seem to outweigh the good ones
 
user3956566
@AndrewMyers I like it
 
user3956566
I'll be afk - ^^ but am happy to discuss when I get back
 
Nothing in the review queue for for me (I put a few items in the queue, though)
 
3:03 AM
@YvetteColomb Do you mean you like my comment, the question itself, or the fact that I found an old question to close? (I spent a good 30 seconds thinking about what to write in the cv-pls, so you better like it)
 
3:20 AM
Morning
 
Morning \o
Is this Q worth to close: stackoverflow.com/questions/45808341/…? Sounds lack of MCVE.
 
3:40 AM
@TetsuyaYamamoto Yes, it should be closed. It looks "too broad" to me. To me, it doesn't appear to actually be a debugging question (i.e. the current code, which is not supplied, is doing exactly what the user believes it should be doing). The question is more "write this new feature for me" than debugging. The new feature is desired by the user because it's not doing what they want, but it is doing what they expect, even if that expectation is only based on prior experience with what it actually does.
@TetsuyaYamamoto Because it's not a debugging question, it can't be "No MCVE". Only debugging questions require code. For most others, code is just very desirable, and usually the easiest way to clarify and narrow a question.
 
3:57 AM
@TetsuyaYamamoto They added a minimal amount of code. It now sounds more like a debugging question, and thus "No MCVE". As I re-read the revisions, it's also possible I misinterpreted what they had said in one sentence, which could indicate it was No MCVE all along.
 
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4:20 AM
@AndrewMyers lol - I don't mind the actual question your were closing. I think it's ok for the site.
 
5:08 AM
@TetsuyaYamamoto That question seems like borderline trolling.
 
It's after midnight here, so I'll be slow (as in 8 or so hours) to reply after this, but here it goes...
My thinking is that you've got people saying `UsersRoles` "just sounds odd" and you've got a lot of people just listing whatever their workplace uses (with little or no explanation of why it is objectively better).
From my perspective, once you get "User" and "Role" in the table name (which is the starting point of the question), it seems that any naming convention from then on is just personal preference.
 
\o morning
 
user3956566
\o
 
user3956566
5:19 AM
@AjayBrahmakshatriya posting a self answered question is acceptable and even encouraged
 
@YvetteColomb thats true.. but the question itself should follow the guidelines.. I am not sure it does.. Someone with more domain knowledge in C/C++... should look at it maybe
 
user3956566
@suraj yes I understand that
 
@YvetteColomb Self-answered is not the problem, it's just the answer was posted seconds after the question. Also is just a code dump. Doesn't explain anything
 
user3956566
@AjayBrahmakshatriya people can post an answer with the question. The "code dump" offers a solution to what is asked in the question
 
5:23 AM
@YvetteColomb I guess that is okay then!
 
user3956566
@AjayBrahmakshatriya please remove your comment - I've flagged it. There's so much pile on and the person is trying to contribute to the site in good will
 
@YvetteColomb Yes, I will remove.
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya Unless the code dump is copied from some other source without attribution, i.e. OP's original research for some problems that hasn't been asked before on SO then it should be okay.
 
@taskinoor @YvetteColomb I will keep in mind
 
user3956566
@AjayBrahmakshatriya that's cool, we've all done this - jumped in feet first - maybe next time ask first - then comment :)
 
5:26 AM
In fact there is a checkbox which let you ask and answer at the same time :-)
 
user3956566
@taskinoor ikr!! LOL
 
@YvetteColomb actually the comment was to ask him if further improvements to the answer are required. He mentioned that it doesn't work with C etc. Later I looked at the time and felt something was wrong. But as you mentioned it is completely acceptable practice, there is no issue.
 
And if the box is checked then post button's text changes to "Post Your Question And Answer" :-)
 
user3956566
@AjayBrahmakshatriya ah cheers - sorry if I misunderstood your intention - I thought is was with respect to the self answer - communicating on the interwebs can be so confusing :D
 
user3956566
I'm a believer in encouraging people who are making an effort.
 
5:36 AM
oh ffs wrong tab sorry
I can't change a CV can I?
 
I'm fine with the self-answer, but I hope the answer can be edited to be more explanatory rather than mostly a code dump, hence my comment
 
@suraj Poor question but not too broad IMO since the C code is very simple and straight forward.
I'm not sure what should be the close reason. The question is also very clear to me :-(
 
Too broad seems good to me
 
@taskinoor its asking code for me..OP wants SO to write a program in C#
 
@suraj Yes and it should be closed. I completely agree to that. It's just that every time I see a question asking "Do code for me" I get confused what should be the exact close reason :-(
 
5:51 AM
@taskinoor I generally go with too broad..
 
@taskinoor The question fulfills GMTC, OP wants us to write converted code & give it for him. Also the first code provided seems like pseudocode instead of both languages.
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto Yes, I have doubt that is fulfills GMTC but is "Too broad" common close reason for GMTC questions even if the code is asked for is very simple and can be done in few lines?
Sometimes I feel that GMTC should have been a close reason :-)
 
I think TB is too broad a reason
 
@suraj LOL
 
@taskinoor GMTC questions generally has many multiple possible solutions instead of limited sets, and questions with so many possible solutions can be considered as "broad question".
 
5:59 AM
@TetsuyaYamamoto Hmm. Didn't think from this perspective before. In that case they can be consider as TB.
 
6:17 AM
> ignore this question i am just check something.
 
@suraj Sorry for inconvenience. The Q is already deleted (but I can't delete chat msg somehow).
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto no inconvenience. Just wondered what OP was thinking
 
6:55 AM
Morning o/
 
Morning \o
 
o/
 
7:12 AM
^ I meant 1 vs l. It somehow changed to library/tool/resource.
 
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@AshwiniChaudhary that's such an odd question
 
@YvetteColomb I have seen many people using l for lists in Python, I guess this is the first time it has bit someone. :-)
 
@AshwiniChaudhary Possible bug with user script? Or intended behavior?
 
@AshwiniChaudhary I agree, but maybe it should be expanded only if it is the only character in the input. I don't know, these scripts were designed long before I used SO.
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya file a bug github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/issues and wait for 6 to 8 weeks to have it fixed.
 
@rene Somebody specifically did a split->replace->join. Is it the intended behavior?
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya I'm sure our user scripts didn't go through extensive analysis or design sessions, let alone UX was considered. Big change the split, replace, join was done because the dev wanted to learn about those functions ...
 
7:47 AM
\o
 
That was the intention I guess(single key-stroke): https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/25121337#25121337 (Related PR: https://github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/commit/8eb9c40863a8361cc35ff49a68610caf0ca02215)

Unless someone is using SMS language in their close reason then those characters won't usually be there. But yeah, it can explicitly check if the close reason is single character long to fix it.
 
@rene Oh! In that case, I will submit an issue.
 
is this off topic ? stackoverflow.com/q/45811895/2427065 can't install theme in vs code
vs code is an editor. So confused
 
Hi Guys.. Anyone has done youtube live streaming iOS API?
 
Probably?
 
7:59 AM
@TheTiger This is not the place for programming questions
 
@Thaillie I know but one of you has done this. @JAL
So I thought there might be someone else
 
Aah, then just ignore what I said :3
 
:)
 
8:15 AM
10 CVs left... need to use them wisely
 
8:29 AM
Is this "request off-site resource" or "too broad": stackoverflow.com/questions/45812545/…?
 
9:21 AM
@rene I bet that it was a java8 guy testing some fun stuff in j-script
 
9:36 AM
Running out of bullets, oh I mean CVs.
 
9:49 AM
Anyone know's the link to the chat lib in c# (Sam's repo?)
 
@Sam -------^
 
Can't give a close-shot, awaiting CVs resupply tomorrow. Is this Q on-topic: should i use datatable or list to hold data from database with select sql join with multiple table?
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto I would say no. It's too broad at the moment as they need to clarify what they mean by performance and even when they do that it's probably POB.
 
@PetterFriberg \o/
 
10:14 AM
@Adriaan It is in almost all his recent posts
 
@Thaillie thanks; I'll make a modflag then
 
Okkeh
 
user2371524
@YvetteColomb needs to define "easy way". Very likely too broad.
 
user3956566
@FelixPalmen my thoughts also
 
Ron
10:44 AM
Hello World!
 
ta @CodyGray. That was what I thought.
 
ah, I hadn't looked deep enough and flagged only for the youngest three. I'll get those
@SmokeDetector oh lol. He has two answers on there
I removed the link from all of them; can someone in Charcoal or a RO trash all that and possibly remove him from the blacklist? Smokey will catch a new post of theirs on the "URL similar to username" clause anyway
 
11:01 AM
 
@suraj I don't think it was; the first report was on a question which became active today, and I guess someone approved the report somehow and when me and Cody got rid of all the links he just faithfully posted them all, since all questions went active
 
oh, well, if Smokey's broken, it wasn't me runs and hides
@rene what's the schedule for this weekend? That's when the party starts right?
 
@Adriaan I pinged @Kyll to see if it is still on, yes. The latest idea was that I have to cater for 4 days. I offer the house, you're free to fill in the schedule, and bring the food and drinks you fancy.
 
@rene aight, cool. I'll be there either Friday after my evening training session (until 20:00) or Saturday
@SmokeDetector SD might want an update for "URLs" in code, like here
because for some reason people like using their own username as variable/function name
 
11:20 AM
@Adriaan, the vscode question seems legit and related with coding
I do not understand why do you want to close it. it will hinder the user of getting help
 
@PedroMorteRolo there's no code
hence I VTCed it as no MCVE, because the user needs to add their code for us to help them
 
even if there is no code it is related with the task of programming.
 
hindering users to get help is not my problem; they should follow the rules on the site
 
and I do not see any comment of yours
 
@PedroMorteRolo that's not the point, there's no CODE
 
11:21 AM
telling the OP what is wrong
with his question
 
@PedroMorteRolo there's no need for a comment, as soon as it's closed, there's going to be a huge yellow banner telling him what to do
 
this is a site about programming, not about code.
 
wait, you've been on the site for neigh on 8 years, you should know how the site and closing questions work?
 
bah. horrible moderation.
yes, I know that often moderation is abusive
 
@PedroMorteRolo and we cannot answer a programming question about his code if he doesn't show code
 
11:23 AM
@PedroMorteRolo the poster is talking about an exception.. How can anyone answer without an [mcve] ?
 
than write a comment before closing
 
that ^
@PedroMorteRolo why? As I told you before: there's going to be a huge obtrusive banner in yellow with all links and info he needs to improve his question
 
because it is more friendly to the user and enables him to get help faster
and gives you whatever points for being evil to him.
 
@PedroMorteRolo watch your language, please.
 
I'm trying to politely explain the reasoning here, and I'm not going to sit here being insulted by you.
 
11:26 AM
@PedroMorteRolo close voting also puts an message in their inbox so they get all the help they need.
 
insult? I said that you were acting in an evil way. I didn't insult anyone.
 
@PedroMorteRolo we dont get any rep for this
 
The question is closed because it doesn't benefit the site in any way. It stops people from posting answers which are guesses or asking for clarification. Instead it gives the OP a chance to step back, read the help provided in the banner and move forward.
 
than you have even less reasons to close them without comments
 
@PedroMorteRolo we are acting within the design boundaries of the site. Leaving comments is no way mandatory
 
11:28 AM
Why would you comment a help link that is provided to them once the question is closed? It's creating noise.
 
IMHO you are acting ON THE BOUNDARY
 
@PedroMorteRolo suggesting that people are evil can be considered insulting, YMMV
@PedroMorteRolo good, as long as it is on the boundary were good to go.
 
it is a good practice to comment when close voting
I always do so
 
Comments that reiterate the standard close reasons are considered noise. Please do not leave them. It is absolutely not a good practice to comment when close voting.
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The close vote is your comment.
 
Morning
 
11:31 AM
I disagree, in many times there should be a statement connecting the dots
 
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Q: VS2017 Setup Project - problems installing 64bit service

Peter PageI have a project on VS2015 that was working well. However it's installer was written with the InstallShield addon. I now need to maintain the project on VS2017, which has a different installer project. Now I am getting a badimageexcetion when it tries to install the windows service. My resear...

 
If you need to "connect the dots" with respect to the closure, that implies that you are misusing one of the close reasons.
 
this is the question we are addressing with this conversation
 
The close dialog connects the dots. It tells them what is wrong and has to links to resources on how to fix it
 
11:31 AM
@PedroMorteRolo Great! Please publish your email address so that the links to the bad, downvoted questions can be forwarded to yourself so that you can add the helpful comments. I hope you don't have a job, or sleep, or anything else that wil take up time...
 
the close request does not connect the dots
and this close vote is abusive
and is kicking away a new user
 
If the close reason you selected does not adequately explain why you are closing the question, then as I already stated, that implies you are misusing the close feature and should not actually be closing that question.
 
@CodyGray but, how do low-reps know not to answer an obviously off-topic question, them? Should we not tell them and then scorn them for not knowing?
 
:38781111 you don't have the required 3k rep yet. Once you have that, it'll be available besides the "edit" link on questions
 
@Adriaan Yea, forgot about that :p
 
11:34 AM
@JohnDvorak Keyword there is "obviously". If it isn't obvious to them, then it's fine that they answer it. Hopefully, they will learn as they become more familiar with our rules.
 
@PedroMorteRolo by all means, if you think it's abuse, make a meta post calling me out, or flag a moderator to tell them that.
 
Also, the close status doesn't get pushed through the websockets but comments do.
 
@PedroMorteRolo I disagree, I've close voted over 50.000 posts, hardly ever leave a comment.
 
I object that such behaviour is ok.
 
@JohnDvorak Well, they could always read the help/tour/policy information that is so well-hidden under the hamburger menu.
 
user3956566
11:35 AM
@rene I only leave comments when I have time and I think the comment will help the OP.
 
also, the non-standard close reasons force us to leave comments, why should standard close reasons not leave comments?
 
user3956566
@PedroMorteRolo of course it's ok - we are volunteers on this site - no one actually has to do anything
 
@JohnDvorak presumably because when the question is closed there's the yellow banner which basically is a comment
 
because the offtopic reason is ambiguous and wide ranged.
 
@JohnDvorak Because the close reason is your comment. You have to leave a comment with the others because you're effectively creating a new close reason.
 
11:36 AM
just look at the question:
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Q: VS2017 Setup Project - problems installing 64bit service

Peter PageI have a project on VS2015 that was working well. However it's installer was written with the InstallShield addon. I now need to maintain the project on VS2017, which has a different installer project. Now I am getting a badimageexcetion when it tries to install the windows service. My resear...

 
@PedroMorteRolo I object leaving comments is OK
 
@Adriaan the same comment appears for non-standard reasons as well
 
this guy is in trouble
he registered in the site
 
@PedroMorteRolo you do know you could have just left a comment on that post if you feel it would have helped them
 
he is gonna get his first question blocked
 
11:37 AM
@PedroMorteRolo Good subject for a meta question
 
do you think he will return after such experience?
 
@JohnDvorak Nobody wants the comments. Some say they do, but they really don't. They only want commnets until they actually get them, then it's 'unhelpful, nazi mob downvoters' all the way down.
 
@PedroMorteRolo can you stop one-boxing the question, we have all seen it by now.
 
@CodyGray is there a meta-question supporting your requests?
 
Actually, I hadn't seen the question. I was hoping someone would link to it.
 
user3956566
11:38 AM
@CodyGray totally agree.
 
@rene but hey, it's an on-topic onebox
 
@JohnDvorak yeah, sure
 
@CodyGray Me neither. I kinda got the impression I should avoid it..
 
I would not personally vote to close that one as lacking an MCVE. It would be nice if it had more information in the question, but code isn't really necessary there. I wouldn't go anywhere near as far as to say that anyone is "abusing" the close reasons there, just saying as a semi-expert in the tech, I wouldn't VTC.
 
user3956566
@PedroMorteRolo I'm sure this is a dupe of a dupe goes off to find target
 
user3956566
11:39 AM
@CodyGray I don't think it should be closed - unless it's a dupe - these bugs are rife
 
@CodyGray Would you say that without that extra information there is not enough there to give them an actual answer?
 
That said, it is not our job to hold the hands of users who come here to ask questions. If you ask an off-topic question, it should be closed. Simple as that. Asking a single off-topic question will not get you a question ban, and if you disagree with the way the site operates, you should take that up on Meta, not protest by refusing to close off-topic questions.
 
Well... when I get suspended for trying to close a question ... I'm leaving for good.
Is this something I should worry about?
 
See the beauty of choice is you don't need to vote if you don't want to and you can leave a comment if you want so @PedroMorteRolo leave a comment, don't vote to close and let's all move on. If you feel so strongly about it there's a place called meta which would be better suited for this.
 
Only way I could see it being an issue is if you are close voting things that shouldn't be closed consistently.
 
11:41 AM
Lots of questions going on here at once. Can't respond to them all. In that question, Peter has done 90% of the debugging for you. He already found that he gets a BadImageFormatException, and he determined this is because of a 32-bit/64-bit mismatch. Now, all he's asking is how to change the project to install a 64-bit version of his service. You don't need any code for that. You can just read it there in the question.
 
user3956566
I'm pretty sure it's a dupe - can someone dupe hammer it please? I've left a link
 
As far as the code, he links to an article that describes exactly how he wrote the installer and the service. Arguably, that should be in the question, but it's all pretty darn standard, so anyone with enough information here to answer should be able to answer it without even needing to visit the link.
 
user3956566
Any C# dupe hammers here?
 
For the issue of suspensions and whatever, that's obviously an overreaction. Unless you are actually abusing the close reasons, no action is going to be taken against you, and the first step would always be a friendly reminder, not a suspension. Leaving noisy comments isn't going to get you much of anything but scorn from moderators who have to clean up those comments.
I'm confident there have been Meta questions about the leaving of boilerplate comments to accompany close reasons, but I'm too lazy to look for them. A good hint they're not necessary is that the system doesn't leave them for you automatically....
 
Thanks. Apologies for overreacting, I tend to do that without even knowing.
One issue is that a person basically gets zero feedback about how successful his closures are.
 
11:46 AM
@JohnDvorak Agreed, that is an issue. But I'm not ready to feature-request anything along those lines because the majority of close votes still age away because we don't have enough close voters to handle the load. So any metrics you'd get about your success rate would be erroneous.
 
True. Are there any plans on improving on that somehow?
I'd be a fan of rep for closures
 
user3956566
@CodyGray thanks for that dupe of a dupe closure
 
even if it's a measly one point and only gets applied when the closure gets through.
 
The question I picked was this one, which isn't a dupe of anything...
 
@JohnDvorak Yes, SE is going to give real money to users that have never spend a close vote, despite having the privilege ...
 
11:49 AM
Wow. #ragequit
 
@JohnDvorak If you have ideas, please post them to Meta. Right now, it's a simple issue of scale. The number of people with close-vote privileges are vastly outnumbered by the number of people with ask privileges. There are other systemic and minor problems, of course, but this is the biggie.
 
@rene is "live24u.com" in smokey's watch list? Seems that site's become popular the last few days for spamming in answers...
 
As with everything, this is a problem that I think really needs to be addressed at the source, which is why I was so insistent that we might do something about the ask-a-question experience for new users. The rumor mill keeps saying we will, but I haven't seen any evidence yet. Oh wait. There's a chat room. Epic failure, from what I can tell.
 
I am not sure if gaining rep for close voting would be a good idea. You get called all kind of names when you CV and don't get nothing in return... imagine if you would get rep, we would be accused of rep farming.
 
@JonClements nope, not listed, do you have samples?
 
11:50 AM
If you do not mind, I will start coming to this channel and flag some questions that I percieve as wrongly closed.
 
Good point that even motivating 3ks to close wouldn't be enough.
 
(just nuked a user and they'd already managed 15 answers without anyone noticing)
 
@JonClements I'll add it to the watch list, we can't blacklist without actual samples
 
user3956566
@CodyGray ask-a-question experience ?
 
@PedroMorteRolo I suspect it would get declined as "just reopen the question"
 
11:51 AM
!!/test live24u.com
 
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
 
The /Ask page. What people see when they go to ask a question. Surely you have not missed this, @Yvette?
 
@JonClements nope ^^
 
user3956566
@CodyGray I had missed it
 
When does it get released to 100% of the volunteers?
 
11:53 AM
@JohnDvorak I do not care. It is horrible to abuse moderation, specially on newcomers to the site.
 
@YvetteColomb has an awesome answer as well....
 
@tripleee they're all similar to this
 
user3956566
@rene I saw that!!
 
!!/test-a <a href="http://spammity-spam.live24u.com/click-me">link</a>
 
> Would not be caught as an answer.
 
11:54 AM
@PedroMorteRolo If you want to cast flags you know will be rejected, we can't stop you from getting hurt.
 
@PedroMorteRolo what do you suggest? to start moderation after they have asked a few bad ones?
 
user3956566
@JonClements how many posts with this link were there?
 
@PedroMorteRolo I suggest you make a meta post highlighting your reasons and improvements (if you have any ideas)
 
I suggest that, at least for newcomer's questions, a detailed justifying commend should accompany the close votes.
 
@tripleee and there was a question that looks like it may have been caugt but it did linger for a while - stackoverflow.com/questions/45816282/…
 
11:55 AM
!!/test-a <a href="http://live24u.com/again">smokey reloaded watch list now</a>
 
> Potentially bad keyword in answer
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Body - Position 17-28: live24u.com
 
The rules state pretty clearly that SOCVR handles re-open requests as well as close requests, as well I think it should. So I don't see why that would be a problem @PedroMorteRolo. But if you roll up and start telling people that they're abusing their close-vote privileges and/or basing your reopen-requests on a theory of wanting to be "nicer" to people, I suspect this plan will not go over well.
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and I suggest that you do not short-circuit the close-voting process with this channel
 
user3956566
@JonClements if it's got more than one post spamming it - we should blacklist it
 
@PedroMorteRolo that channel or rather queue is clogged
 
11:57 AM
@PedroMorteRolo you could also, you know, talk to people here and explain why a cv-request should not succeed.
 
@YvetteColomb 16 from a single user today... First saw it on/off a couple of days ago... and it looks like it's happened briefly in the past as well... can only guess it's an "on" period right now... Curiously - the accounts I've seen seem to use the "Angular" logo as display picture.
 
I do that on a regular basis.
 
@JohnDvorak that's what I said that I intend to do.
 
user3956566
@JonClements yep we need to black list it - not watch it - I'll do it in charcoal @tripleee has done it :)
 
it is what i meant by flagging
 
11:57 AM
@JonClements I'm promoting that to regular blacklist so that you can see those spams being reported here as well, watch list is Charcoal only and with that amount of evidence, blacklisting should be fine
 
user3956566
@DalijaPrasnikar that was totally off topic
 
user3956566
Can people reply to messages when there's several conversations going on in here at once? - it's confusing to follow the threads
 
@PedroMorteRolo flags != talking to people. Flags = telling mods to punish well-meaning janitors because you think they pick up too much trash.
 
@PedroMorteRolo yes, I got that from your comments but I really suggest you bring that up on Meta. You'll find some support for that, for sure. Beyond that we operate under what is stated in our FAQ and so far I have not seen that we deviated from that with this particular case or much of the other requests, AFAICT. But we're open for feedback as you just did, the outcome might differ on a case by case basis.
 
@tripleee and @YvetteColomb thanks :)
 
12:01 PM
!!/test-a <a href="http://live24u.com/">blacklisted now</a>
 
> Blacklisted website in answer
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Body - Position 17-28: live24u.com
 
@JonClements you're welcome
while I have your attention, you seem to have rejected one of Suraj's spam flags earlier today, I meant to ask you about that ... any chance you could review?
 
user3956566
@JonClements yw tosses scooby snacks
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 hours ago, by suraj
@SmokeDetector am I wrong in this? my spam flag ended up declined . https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&title=&body=weblineind‌​ia&username=&why=&site=&feedback=&autoflagged=&reason=&user_rep_direction=%3E%3D&‌​user_reputation=0&commit=Search
 
@PedroMorteRolo I admire that you "take a stand", we are far from wanting to close everything and I'm the first one that would like a good new user experience for users that care about the question, care about SO etc. What you need to consider is that SO is scaling really bad (the amount of bad question and answers that needs down votes,closing, deletion, is far beyond the people that are actually willing to moderate).
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I probably can show you at any time 10 questions in any tag, that needs to be closed but will not be. All this said, you are more then welcome here to express your view on different question, just remember the be nice policy.
 
12:04 PM
The system doesn't exactly encourage moderation either. I suspect it would help if it did.
 
@JonClements It would be this post stackoverflow.com/questions/2291795/…
 
@tripleee umm... thought I'd disputed that not declined it... one sec
 
@PetterFriberg. Thank you! :-)
 
For sure we need a better ask question interface (Cody and rene, just copied my old downvoted feature request :D), then yeah it must be easier to close question (this is not a bad think, it's only a request to improve) and some rep for those find dupes would not be bad.
 
That was fun... undelete, flag as spam myself, clear flags, re-delete... flag's now disputed @suraj - can't do much more than that and was what I thought I did in the first place
 
12:07 PM
ok.. I was confused whether I mistook that post thanks
 
@PedroMorteRolo just a nice starter of moderation here is a list of question in ruby that may need moderation. If you have time check'em out. Consider closing'em not as "I'm bad, I shut you down", but instead "Please OP, edit to improve this question". I leave'em all in your hand, you do what you think is best for SO.
 
user3956566
ok I'm heading off now - may pop back in later
 
cya Yvette
> Oh wait. There's a chat room. Epic failure, from what I can tell.
wondering if he mean the mentor chat
 
hi o/
 
12:15 PM
Honk!
 
:)
 
@PetterFriberg Yes. Talking to some of the participants, it seems about 50% of people ignore the chat discussion entirely and simply post the original draft of their question.
 
@PetterFriberg Huh?
 
epic
 
To be fair, the concern has been raised that it is a tooling/user experience problem. They may have got confused about how to actually update their changes (or however it works; I've not actually volunteered to be a mentor, to no one's great surprise I'm sure).
 
12:18 PM
@CodyGray That's just a confusion in current interface, true you can turn turd's into gold, but also it has avoid posting off-topics, obvious dupes, it has improved some question and most important from what I have seen the new user experience have been good.
 
Tuns out it is a lot harder to make people do what you want them to do ... no matter how much code/screens/hints/tooltips/chats/comment you throw at them
 
@PetterFriberg Are you one of the mentors?
 
for sure now it's far from perfect, I joined mostly since they liked to study and understand how to improve the "Ask question" interface, hence get some data on the problems. I'm not sure it is a long term viabile solution to have a chat.
Yeah I have had lots of fun
 
@CodyGray Wow. 50% is higher than I would have guessed
 
Morning all. I found this Q&A (dates back to 2011) yesterday on a Google search for a related question with the same error message and found that an answer given didn't fully answer the question and I placed a comment under it; unsure if I'll get a response or not. However, the question would theoretically hold two duplicates for it. I doubt the accepted answer will be modified so I'd like to hammer that question with the two duplicates I know of.
 
12:21 PM
@Fred-ii- I do that myself, especially when there's a solid canonical people need to be pointed to
 
@rene TBH, I'm not really surprised
 
@CodyGray What has been really interesting is when I purpose a duplicate (hence check this first) if it solves the problem the are actually really happy. They go "Thanks, perfect, yeah I was searching for that, you are great". I'm a bit curious why that does not happen after they posted the question.
 
@Machavity I'm surprised that the accepted answer was accepted to start with; it didn't fully solve it nor made a mention of it in a comment under its own. So... I should close it?
 
@Fred-ii- meagar normally responds, unless you offended him too often.
 
@PetterFriberg Sometimes it does. In fact, it probably occurs way more often than we think. We just only hear about the people who throw a big fit in the comments and/or on Meta.
 
12:23 PM
@Fred-ii- If there's a better question/answer for it, yes
 
@rene I doubt I ever offended him. Maybe gone against the/his grain a few times, but that shouldn't prevent him from not responding. But I'll give it some more time. I know he's super busy.
 
@Fred-ii- I trust you and I bet you did ;)
 
meh, no
agreement smell...
 
@Machavity Thanks; I closed it with 2 duplicates for it.
@rene We just didn't see eye to eye on a few things some time back.
 
probably also with "domain knowledge" mentors you can avoid 90% of questions that does not fit SO, I don't think 1 of the java questions that I have mentored have actually then been posted, either dupe or to basic, hence a link to how it should be done is enough.
 
12:27 PM
ok quick question. question is bad so it gets closed quickly. it got a lot of down votes so my assumption is that it will also get roomba'd. I notice that we still use delete votes. Any particular reason?
 
@PetterFriberg But that raises the question of whether you are actually mentoring people on how to ask a good question, or whether you're just doing their searching for them.
 
@Nkosi usually to avoid an existing answer from blocking the roomba due to an upvote or accept afaik
 
@Nkosi sometimes there are posts which should be removed but which will not be roomba'd (accepted upvoted answer is one case IIRC). But more commonly I guess it's just a gut reaction "cripes, this is so bad"
 
I've learned what blocks the roomba. I ask because I see some questions that wont block get deleted quickly or are asked for delete votes. Was just curios.
 
^Also, possible typo
 
12:30 PM
@CodyGray meeh, I'm using my experience on SO, to show how they should interact. It's not that we need to hide that the problem on SO is a problem with people not knowing how to "search", "debug" their own problems. Often just trying to create your own mcve will solve it. Since these question is the trouble, I'm happy if I can stop'em before they arrive, the experience for all involved OP+SO users is much better.
 
@EJoshuaS no problem description.. you mean mcve?
 
It does have code, but the OP's not specific about what the problem with it is.
 
closing as duplicate, commenting and deleting is just as much effort for me
 
I will note that we don't hear about the whole swaths of people who solve their issue while creating their MVCEs, which could be a great source of biases
 
@BDL I'm curious as to how that got two upvotes. (Just as a general observation).
 
12:35 PM
^ also unclear
 
BDL
@EJoshuaS I was wondering the same. Kind of the reason why I posted it here before someone starts to write an answer.
 
and a tad unclear ^
 
@EJoshuaS so that would mean it is missing error part..it doesnt fulfill complete and also not verifiable
 
@xenteros it's your own question, we can't vote on it.
 
BDL
@xenteros You should update the question and explain why it isn't a duplicate
 
12:40 PM
@BDL I did update it
 
@xenteros try to ping the dupe hammer and explain the problem.
 
How can I ping him if he didn't leave the comment?
 
you can, don't worry, let me find meta
 
@PetterFriberg so once I leave a comment, he will be notified?
 
Just copy and paste the name from the dupe banner but remember to remove any spaces
 
12:42 PM
^^ that
 
@xenteros You can ping gold hammerers; just copy his username and use @username
 
thanks
 
@xenteros you can ping close voters or editors in the comment section of the post IIRC
 
Ron
All work and no fun?
 
12:47 PM
We aren't allowed fun
 
@xenteros that seemed to have worked just great ;)
 
BDL
We are allowed to have fun but we hate it
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@PetterFriberg Yea, unfortunatelly, 20 people who visited that question won't return probably :/
 
@PetterFriberg It's not hard to find Meta. Just follow the constant sound of clattering
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I guessed it was not need anymore and actually google did not give a quick find ;)
 
12:54 PM
Should this be reopened? stackoverflow.com/q/45817975 there's a vote to reopen it. See comments under it. And was it wrongly closed?
 
@Fred-ii- I added a couple of other dupes to the list. Between those 3, that should cover it
 
@Machavity ok thanks.
 

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