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10:04 PM
@PetterFriberg As it should lol! - or did you mean being an exemplary "bad" question?
 
@Fred-ii- This story "php insert to mysql" is haunting me (questions to close and NAA) :D
 
@PetterFriberg About 1,630,000 results (0.81 seconds) - and they can't spend one more millisecond going through the results lol! - yeah, something should be done about that.
 
@PetterFriberg Agreed, both points. Down-voting is a topic which is, and should be, sensitive in SOCVR. I'm not comfortable mentioning it, even in this context. However, in this specific context a down-vote is more effective for moderation than a CV, or del-vote, due to leveraging Roomba. Perhaps, we should discuss at a room meeting if it is permissible to mention down-votes in this specific context. I'm of two minds. It's a very powerful (side?)effect, which should be handled with care.
 
@PetterFriberg a lot of them eh? countless I'll bet.
 
You should just get up a simple canonical that is easy to find and the close all those as dupes.
 
10:07 PM
@PetterFriberg I'm not sure how it would be indexed though. Maybe Stack and Google have "a thing" happening and if it requires say like a minimum of 1000 visits to it in order to be at the highest rank possible. I am no SEO expert, far from it.
 
@Makyen Yeah it could be a nice issue to discuss, my gut is telling me that we should stay away from all stuff that has rep involved (as a chat room), all stuff that involves rep needs to be individual actions and not coordinated, but again understanding and learning how to use your moderation privs is another story.
@Fred-ii- I think you just need a question with a good and simple title, with a few upvotes on it, then however you need good answers, or maybe if the other canoncial is good (some upvotes on question and close as dup)
I warn you if I see those again, I will post the question :D
 
@PetterFriberg If anything, I'd do as this Q&A stackoverflow.com/questions/4261133/… and post an "all community wiki" Q&A.
one to which I added to it not long ago in regards to db stuff.
that should have been done a long time ago
 
@PetterFriberg :-). Yeah. Frankly, that Roomba Forecaster provides that information is something I seriously considered removing/disabling. I left it in/enabled under the belief that those using the tool (or even having any interest in it) would be more responsible with their actions and aware of site policies as to when it was permissible to use their vote in that manner.
 
@Makyen I'm not a RO, but my basic feeling is that you can do what you like, the problem only arise when you coordinate voting (up/down), hence if in chat you tell to dv or up you are coordinating, If a script tell me state of question, that's not coordination, hence I do not see a problem with script, only every time someone says how others should vote. (note: coordinating cv voting is ok, this is only related to up/down voting, where there is a problem of reputation)
@Fred-ii- I agree, coordinate some with other php guys and then dupe all these how do I insert to to php using, to that.
I say coordinate since it would be nice with a fairly broad question (others don't go crazy), and a nice and detail answer
 
10:23 PM
@PetterFriberg actually, there was some talk about putting one together between a few members and I. However, there seems to be some skepticism about that, since it may not be very much welcomed. The mentality in the php area is something that isn't "to die for", let me just put it to you that way.
 
@Fred-ii- Yeah I can understand, you need some support, but it's a clear case where SO sucks
maybe a meta, but baah
 
@PetterFriberg yep. However, being it an "all community wiki" version, there's no risk here, since you may already know about those.
if you don't know, community wikis have no rep gain/loss
 
Yeah I know, but still you can get some harsh comments :D
 
and there shouldn't be any
yea but those can probably be flaggable. If they're just going to b*tch about it, then they know what they can do about that; post on meta or just get out of the kitchen ;)
 
to tell the truth for me only the question should be community, I have no problem with answers getting rep
but to keep people calm, maybe best if both are
 
10:28 PM
@PetterFriberg Hmm... I wouldn't have anyone make rep on it, since the question if it does get done/posted, will be flagged to mods to make it purely community wiki. Some may "b" about answers getting downvoted, blah blah blah.
that's what I was told to do for it
 
Yeah sounds good, seems to improve internet a great bit (and would make it easy and helpful to OP close this kind of stuff as dup)
@Makyen in other words, if a user finds out that heck if I dv this it will roomba it's up to that user (no one could say the user is wrong, a single user vote as they wish, no questions asked), however if I tell a user to go and vote, I'm coordinating and that's a hughe issue for SE
hence my suggestion is to teach users, give indirect information (as the script) but never actually state what they should do.
 
@PetterFriberg Let's put it on the list of issues to discuss at a room meeting. Sounds like a good thing to do.
 
@PetterFriberg In this situation, the reputation lost from the down-vote will be regained when the question is deleted.
 
true, but again you should find out that the question is bad by yourself and dv since question is bad. No one should ever tell you to dv from chat according to me.
 
10:38 PM
@PetterFriberg I'm unsure if we should consider saying that you might want to look at these [large number of] questions to see if some of them are down-vote worthy is something we consider/should consider coordination. Certainly, saying go look at this [single] question is coordination, and should not be done. But, is it coordination to say/suggest going to look at 564,000 questions where down-voting bad questions will result in the question being deleted? I'm not sure.
 
I'm not sue either, I just think you need to take the smooth path around it, hence not state this explicitly, but teach user how voting and searching for questions works, then they can do as they wish.
In general I even feel that we should stay away from telling what we vote in general, we are here only to provide information on how things work so they can do a good job.
@Makyen sign it up for the room meeting it's a nice topic to talk about
 
@Makyen If not, where is the dividing line: 10 questions, 100, 500, 1k, 10k? Actually, I think the dividing line should be purpose/grouping, but at low numbers that starts to be a judgement call (as with many things in moderation).
@PetterFriberg I'll look around for the link to the list.
 
to tell my truth I think those 564,000 question do less damage (they are more or less hidden in the dark with no answers, SE could just delete'em if they are creating mess), then me search "php how to insert to a mysql table" giving me a crap result with sql injection problems
 
@PetterFriberg Found it. I'll add it, but I'm going to take care of some other things first. At a minimum, I want to blow through the rest of my votes prior to 23:59UTC.
 
:D
moving to bed, have fun cya
 
10:53 PM
Cya! o/
 
@PetterFriberg I agree. The old, rarely visited questions are, generally, not really that much of an issue. It's something that I consider a much lower priority than many things, but is still something that can be done to improve the site. Certainly, things like having good canonical Qs to dup-close common questions (as you are suggesting with the PHP issue) is more important. I do agree that the one you mention is needed, even looking at it as someone not that involved with the PHP tag.
@PetterFriberg night o/
 
@PetterFriberg buona notte
 
11:17 PM
@Fred-ii- ^ See ya... Good Night! Zzzz
 
@PraveenKumar ciao. take care ;)
 
Testing the filters or sth, dunno. vOv
 
@PraveenKumar o/
 
@Makyen o/
 
11:31 PM
@PraveenKumar Looks like the OP deleted their account
 
they just couldn't take it
adds no value to the site neither
 
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