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6:30 AM
@Makyen this would be very sweet. Only psychos like me would bookmark a question to check if deleted :) I'll follow the updates.
 
 
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10:02 AM
@Makyen or someone, many of the SmokeDetector reports in the transcript are gone, should they too be moved to the graveyard? (I'm guessing there is a reason they're not, but if there is one, I don't remember it)
 
@tripleee What, if anything, to do with SD reports is an open question. I agree that they are distracting in the transcript (I've been staring at them this evening, and other evenings). I will renew the discussion with the other ROs.
 
they are all stored in Charcoal's transcript anyway
 
And in metasmoke
 
well yeah, but it's hard to see what was reported when and in what form
 
10:49 AM
@SmokeDetector does that contain enough info to not be NAA?
 
@Adriaan I'd say it's borderline, which usually means that it's not NAA.
 
@Makyen that was my take on it as well
 
11:40 AM
Did we consider w3schools to be spam? see stackoverflow.com/a/47572254/5211833
 
@Adriaan No but the answer was VLQ, link only answer.
 
hmhmhm I got an idea for meta post. This blatant duplicate was posted and while I was looking for a duplicate, a certain reputable member added an answer. Wouldn't it be nice if the question couldn't be answered for a minute or two after it was posted...
 
Ron
@AnttiHaapala Interesting idea but I feel it would not float with meta.
 
that would put a wrench in the FGITW users. lol
 
I mean it would have an answer box, you could write an answer and everything, but... the post button would be on hold for 2 minutes :D
with counter counting down, and if the question were closed within those 2 minutes then you couldn't post :D
 
11:56 AM
@AnttiHaapala I don't think that would change much.
 
@Olaf 2 more minutes to search for a duplicate. And FGITW behaviour could change. No posted answer -> no upvotes
 
@AnttiHaapala Well, if you are that quick at finding dupes, maybe. But: do you really process all/most questions within that 2 min timeframe?
 
@Olaf this one took ~25 seconds
 
In C, almost all questions are dupes now or debugging requests or "gimme teh codez".
@AnttiHaapala And you process all/most questions 1:35 after they were posted?
 
I don't know how to convince people that the homework debugging requests should be off-topic :F
well not me
but the fgitw's now could think... "hmm 2 minutes... perhaps I could look for a duplicate"
 
12:00 PM
I don't think a blanket timer on everything could fly ... but what about "are you really going to post an answer? this one has been flagged as a possible dupe" could be useful and easy to argue for
 
@AnttiHaapala @Ron had that recently. Problem is any on-topic request for HW would not be different than the other questions here. That already makes almost all HW requests off-topic. The rest is (near) undetectable, so why bother?
 
of course, the onus will then (as now) be on the white hats to find a dupe really quickly before the answers start pouring in
 
@AnttiHaapala You're an optimist, are you?
@tripleee "Are you really going to ask this question? Did you really understand what you are doing here?" would be more helpful.
 
yeah, that too (-:
both "easier to find better duplicates" and "help new users ask good questions" is receiving some attention from SO/SE management, though it's easy to dismiss as too little too late
and for the better search, definitely long overdue
well both topics really
 
12:24 PM
is this NAA ?
 
@SurajRao I already voted as such. It's a long comment. A shame a 30k user still dosen't know the rules.
 
@Olaf I think user wanted to give a bit of advice and didnt care about downvote/closure of it. One answer is probably not going to affect them
They would have known the rules with that rep
 
@SurajRao The intention doesn't change the facts. He could have left a normal comment. But feel free to point at a meta making exceptions for high-rep users.
 
again true
 
@SurajRao Another optimist.
 
12:39 PM
meta making exceptions for high-rep users. not so sure of that.. it will be deleted in Low quality queue
 
12:54 PM
@SurajRao So that would be a game in the game?
 
Ron
1:12 PM
Thinking about flipping the table and moving to SE Asia
 
1:30 PM
Does this look TB, or closable?
 
1:46 PM
[Roomba](https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/roomba) related question... why is [this question](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46648117/google-docs-and-app-script) not deleted?
- More than 30 days old
- Score < 0
- no answers
- not locked
щ(`Д´щ;)
 
morning
good news @Makyen! we got the server to boot. Switching to MBR did the trick. Thanks for the advice.
 
WHAT'S SO GOOD ABOUT IT?! Oh, wait. Yeah. Morning.
 
@Mogsdad roomba's in one day it says for me
 
@rene ? Where do you see that?
 
1:49 PM
But I see "roomba - not closed"
nevermind, had an old version
 
and what @Machavity says ...
 
@Machavity This must be the key... "Actually, four Roomba tasks run weekly. " VS what it says in help, "This check is run every day across all sites."
 
2:20 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Might wanna rude flag that comment from the OP
 
3:30 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Ironic user name there, given that he's asking a homework question
 
#burn
 
@Machavity Mr "Coder"? Well, it always helps to aim high.
 
Hey! I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I just accidentally flag something that I shouldn't have, can I somehow undo that?
 
@RensvanderHeijden: flagged in what way?
 
Flagged a question for being too broad, but it isn't (in fact it mainly lacks an minimum failing example, and it's way too specific)
This is the question, in case that helps: stackoverflow.com/q/47430808/4787916
 
3:46 PM
@Machavity Definitively closable. I went with "unclear", but TB is fine, too IMO. That should be asked at the support forum of that tool.
 
Unclear works for me
 
@RensvanderHeijden it was edited just now
 
4:01 PM
@RensvanderHeijden You mean [mcve]. Just leave the flag as is or retract it (there should be an option to, at least that's what it is for CVs. Not sure about flags, though). Maybe you could post a cv-pls request for this one.
@rene Still seems to be lacking a MCVE.
 
@Olaf yeah, I cv-ed for that reason, I think
 
@rene You think you have CVed? Man, you're really getting old ;-)
 
I am old ...
2
flags message for harassment of the elderly
 
@rene The universe is most likely much older. Take that as reference and you're almost not born yet
 
@Olaf Oh, that will work for me, thanks!
 
4:05 PM
Welcome. All a matter of the right perspective. (Hmm, where is my geriatrol again …)
 
@Olaf It's behind the beer.
 
race condition, there
 
I'm always disappointed when I come across a race condition and it doesn't include a checkered finish line.
 
4:23 PM
buenos dias
 
Bonjour
 
@gunr2171 Great! I'm glad to hear it. Changing to MBR is the solution which often ends up being easier.
 
4:47 PM
@TylerH First vote to close and comment: Jon Skeet
 
@Mogsdad The question didn't qualify for Roomba until someone down-voted yesterday. Only the 9 day-closed Roomba runs daily. The rest are weekly at 03:00 UTC on Saturday, which, as I read further in the transcript, you appear to have already figured out :-).
 
5:11 PM
Does this Python question qualify for closing as Typo? It has a typo (ranInt -> randomInt), it's resetting the list every time it loops, and the incorrect indentation causes printing in every iteration instead of once at the end.
 
@SmokeDetector NAA at best, is it spam?
 
@Adriaan You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
@Adriaan I'd go with NAA. The post appears to be attempting to be genuinely helpful, not promotional. It should be a comment.
 
5:31 PM
@EJoshuaS should be delv
 
Yes, thx
 
@MartinJames Close. It was the Port
 
@Olaf lol, the Port? OK, I'll put it on the Starboard.
 
@EJoshuaS "We are an enterprise web application." - Caught an AI in the wild?
@MartinJames Port W(h)ine :-þ
 
@Olaf Doom Bar tonight;) All ahead full!
 
5:43 PM
@MartinJames "All ahead full!" - Sounds like a life motto.
 
@Olaf After a few pints, it's "Unsteady as she goes" :)
 
@SmokeDetector what are those characters o.0
 
@MartinJames Yes, that's where the sailor-walk comes from. I never believed it is because of the floor moving as they tell.
 
6:06 PM
@robinCTS So that would be a yes!?
 
I think the whole "No code, no open" mentality will forever remain entrenched
 
@user0042 Are you serious? That is POB/TB and unclear.
On a sidenote: you are aware you should not ask for moderation for questions you have a stake in?
 
@user0042 While I can understand your desire to have the question reopened, SOCVR specifically doesn't permit people making requests about posts in which they have an interest (i.e. that you've asked or answered, or for edits which you've made). Please see #15 in the FAQ.
 
@Olaf @Makyen I deleted my answer as long the question isn't going to be reopened.
 
@user0042 That still means you have a stake in that question. But for me this is a secondary issue. The primary is the question is still OT.
 
6:22 PM
@user0042 Thanks for doing so, I noticed just after moving it. With your answer deleted, the request is fine from a rules point of view (or at least that's the way we've been interpreting the rule in the past). Do you still desire the request to be active? I can move it back, if you desire. However, I must admit, I'm with @Olaf as to there still being issues with the question wrt. being reopened.
 
@Makyen Well, I think @Olaf might be right, the question is actually POB and TB. That was my 1st reaction before writing an answer also. So leave my request in the sanitarium.
 
@Olaf General: I agree that having a deleted answer still means the user has a stake in the question. It's possible to game the system by deleting your answer, making a request and then undeleting the answer. It's something we should check for. However, there's something of a parallel to someone requesting to reopen a question which they intend to answer, which we've generally considered fine.
@user0042 OK. Will do.
@Olaf In addition, in the past, it's been acceptable for someone to make a request about a question where they have a deleted answer. However, that's usually applied to questions which have had cv-pls requests, not reopen-pls. That bias may, or may not, be just a sampling issue, as we get a much larger number of cv-pls requests than reopen-pls.
 
@Makyen It was my 1st TBH.
 
@Makyen Thanks for clarification. I'm fine with that and I have enough trust in @user0042 not to cheat the game. My major concern was in fact the quality of the question, hence I just had that as a sidenote.
 
6:38 PM
I put some more questions in the queue
 
I'm not sure I support the cv-pls with a deleted answer, though. While a reopen request does not hinder other users, even if there is a deleted answer, the cv-pls could indeed be used to cut of potential other answers. To me, it depends on the specific user asking. I'm normally fine with the regulars (needless to mention this includes @user0042).
@user0042 Yes, that made me suspicious if your account has been taken over by a cucumber;-)
 
@user0042 I was not intending it as a comment about you, nor your behavior. @Olaf brought up a general question regarding procedure, mentioning a concern which I've also been wondering about from time to time (well prior to this request of yours).
 
@EJoshuaS Yeah! Was going to hit the queue with 40cvs. Got a good target now.
 
^I'm out of close votes :(
 
@Olaf Yeah, allowing requests about questions with deleted answers authored by the requester leaves open a possible way to game the system. While it's certainly of concern, and we would be upset to find that it was happening, I'm not sure if the possibility should consume more resources for us to specifically check up on it. There will, of course, be natural spot-checks in the course of normal use, but … The incidence of people making requests in such situations is already quite low.
 
6:47 PM
You can always ask another room user to post the request for you
 
@Makyen I don't see that much of a problem, at least for 10k useres here who see deleted answers. Anyway, I agree it should be restricted for cv-pls,; I don't see a problem with reopen-pls after some thinking. So, all fine, have a glass of Port ;-)
 
Yes yes, I know, you can stop giving me the message, I don't want privs
 
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if a post is vandalized then deleted, do you still rollback the vandalizm?
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@Reimeus question: for the code that user linked, there is a copyright notice at the top that says it's owned by Oracle. Isn't that wrong? That user wrote it.
 
7:06 PM
@EJoshuaS Is there a burninate for that tag?
 
@EJoshuaS General cleanup is good. However, cv-pls should be reserved for the criteria mentioned officially sanctioned cleanups (posted on Meta and garnering support there) and those in our cv-pls criteria in the FAQ. Note that even for official cleanups, I'd prefer that we list the tag and have people filter on it in the CV-queue, not have individual cv-pls requests.
 
@gunr2171 isnt that beside the point? the post should be closed...
 
sorry, I'm not talking about closing the post, I'm just raising a point about that code file
 
@EJoshuaS Is there some reason which this particular question qualifies for a cv-pls (i.e. activity/references not visible from the question page)?
 
the copyright has nothing to do the cv-pls request, sorry I didn't make that clear
 
7:09 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels the system ought to have given him Mjolnir for every CV reason by now :-P
 
@gunr2171 didnt look at the link TBH :)
 
@AlexanderO'Mara User removed from blacklist (8992701 on stackoverflow.com).
 
@TylerH: indeed his own personal Mjölnir
 
Or would it be Skeetnir
 
7:30 PM
@Adriaan Gonna CV that?
 
@Machavity hadn't even read the question
 
7:49 PM
@EJoshuaS I've moved that request to the Sanitarium as it didn't appear to qualify for a cv-pls and I got no response from you.
 
8:07 PM
@EJoshuaS You appear to be cleaning up , which has 13 questions, using the abbreviated burnination process (I assume you've "conferred with at least one other trusted community member"). However, I'd prefer not to use cv-pls for doing so. Please put the Qs in the CV-queue and ask people to filter on the tag. cv-pls should be reserved for Qs that benefit from rapid closure.
 
so much k
oh come on, he didn't even get the grammar for "reset" correct!
if you're going to insult someone, at least use proper sentence structure
 
@Makyen Also remember that downvoting to engage the Roomba is not OK cc @EJoshuaS if that was you who downvoted stackoverflow.com/questions/35866889/… recently
 
Man, I remember when it was just rene who reminded everyone of the rules...
 
the golden days
 
@PetterFriberg Luleå got a new record: 4 goals in one 5 min. power play :D
 
8:20 PM
@Machavity The new lawyers are rene puppets;)
 
@TylerH I don't downvote questions just to make them Roomba - I only downvote questions that are low quality.
 
@TylerH Yes, organized downvoting to Roomba a question is specifically not permitted on SO. On the other hand, we are also specifically permitted to down-vote in order to delete-vote. There's a line in there, somewhere. I believe it to be that you should be evaluating each post only on it's own merits. If that post is bad, then down-voting just that post is fine, which may result in a question being Roomba'ed.
In other words, your choice to up-/down-vote should have nothing to do with the effects of that vote on Roomba (or anything else). It should be only about the quality of the post you're voting on.
 
@TylerH For the record, I did downvote the question you linked to, but I downvoted because I think that it's excessively opinion-based, not just to make it Roomba.
 
Ron
8:41 PM
o/
 
@FelixD. If you're asking us to take a look at a question with respect to voting-to-close, please include the cv-pls tag in the message you post by using the text [tag:cv-pls]. The general format is [tag:cv-pls] close reason https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345 You can find more information about How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)? in the FAQ.
 
^Is the SD message spam? I'm not sure if the poster is affiliated with that service or not.
 
@Makyen alright thx will do !
 
@EJoshuaS I read it as not affiliated. in the absence of evidence, i give those the benefit of the doubt and NAA
 
@EJoshuaS I would assume good faith, OP has one other answer, non spam
 
8:47 PM
@FelixD. If interested, there's a handy user-script, which posts cv-pls requests for you from question pages, when you tell it to. It will format the cv-pls request for you. If you can't use user-scripts, there's a bookmarklet.
 
9:15 PM
@EJoshuaS Gotcha. No harm no foul, just wanted to post the reminder!
@Makyen Sure, though it's a bit confusing when you consider in order to delete a question, it must first be closed
in this case I think my vote was the first one on the question, but it could be that Josh didn't think it was close-worthy, or that he had run out of CVs for the day
I just saw there was a downvote today on a question where it would qualify for roomba after the downvote and figured it would be worth bringing up, just in case
 
10:10 PM
@TylerH It is worth bringing up and discussing. Inappropriately down-voting just to Roomba (avoiding other methods of cleaning up questions) has been a thing in the past. We should be sensitive to it and remind people about it when it appears to be happening. When going through questions in a tag, it's something which may appear to happen, but we can only guess by inference that it's actually the case, because we can't know the reason behind the DnV.
It's unclear to me that we need to demonstrate we feel a question is also CV-worthy, by casting a CV, when we know that a DnV (which the hypothetical question also deserves) will result in the question being deleted. It's a reasonable point of view that expending just the DnV, and not also a CV, is merely good resource management of the scarce pool of CVs and DnVs we have each day. If we had a much larger (or unlimited :-) ) pool of CV/day, then I'd say we definitely should do both.
But we don't have a large pool. Running out of CV is a common occurrence. Thus, managing CV use is something we already do daily. I know that I commonly choose to spend just a CV on questions which are also DnV worthy (e.g. when another DnV on a question doesn't matter much) in order to have more UpV/DnV available for other times during the day. I also routinely plan out how I'm going to spend my CV during the day (which has grown into a pattern).
 
@Makyen yes, shall we try round number 407 of asking to get our CV pool/day increased? :-D
 
@TylerH 407 sounds good to me. :-)
 
10:31 PM
@RiggsFolly Please don't YELL.
 
Hi all! o/
 
@Olaf I do beg your pardon. cv request generator appears to be broken and I had to key it manually. Anybody know why cv request generator is broken? I just upgraded to FF 57.0.1 so its probably that that has killed it
 
@RiggsFolly yeah FF 57 moved to web extensions for addons
so you have to use tampermonkey or greasemonkey or something like that
I dunno the details, I don't use the scripts
I bet @Makyen does though
 
@TylerH Hi, thanks. I assumed it was the FF upgrade that caused it. I do use TamperMonkey though
@TylerH Sorry I mean GreaseMonkey
 
@RiggsFolly Try updating, newest version of the script should work even with GM4.
Tamper is probably more stable though atm.
 
10:40 PM
@RiggsFolly Sorry, I wasn't aware you are using an original Apple (1 or ][ ;)
 
@Makyen Many thanks, will look at that
@Olaf :) Never been near an Apple or girl called Eve
 
@RiggsFolly Can't tell about the girl, but with the Apple-][ you missed something.
 
@Makyen Now that you're a RO - might be worth pinning that message
 
@TylerH I had it pinned for 11 days. I unpined it because we were getting too many pinned messages. I had hoped :-) that most people who needed to see it had already done so. I can't pin it again, another RO would need to do so.
 
10:54 PM
@Makyen :) Well excuse me for going on holiday :)
 
@RiggsFolly np. It's a general issues with GM4.0. It's expected to be resolved whenever they release the next version. You might consider moving to Tanpermonkey or Violentmonkey. GM4 really isn't ready yet, although the 4.1beta versions are getting closer (can install GM4.1beta versions from AMO)‌​.
 
@BaummitAugen I have just removed Grease and install Tamper. I will now see if the scripts are now working when I next find a reason to use them. Thanks All
 
@RiggsFolly Moving to TM or VM is still something you should consider. (done) GM4 has made significant, breaking changes to the GM API and other aspects of the userscript environment. They're seriously considering making more such changes. That means GM4 users will continue to experience issues with scripts not being compatible. GM is <10% of the userscript manager installed base. While GM was once the only game in town and could define things as they like, that's not the case any more.
 
@BaummitAugen Yippeeee everything works again. Muchas Gracias
 
Np. :)
 
11:01 PM
Some userscript authors won't bother to make scripts compatible. I've been a long-time GM user. The reasons I've used it were primarily the much better security environment and that scripts were stored on-disk in separate files. Both of those reasons don't exist in GM4.
 
@Olaf but with the Apple-][ you missed something. I am sooo tempted to say all I missed is easy access to the root account without needing a password.... But I really dont want to start a Windows/*nix argument this late at night :) :) :)
 
@RiggsFolly Holidays are not allowed. You must be on SO 24/7. :-)
 
@RiggsFolly The Apple ][ did not have a "root" account. And it was very far from running any variant of Unix, even the (from today's view) quite simple Unix of these days. I have the strong impression you need to loo up what I mean.
 
@Olaf Yup I guess that went straight over my head
@Makyen I try my best... I do have my 100 days in a row badge. But as you can see I am far from perfect
 
> I fucking downvoted him already.
They literally can't even. =D
Lol. Time to kill that smokey report with fire.
OP is really mad apparently. =D
 
11:17 PM
@BaummitAugen My ears are ringing!
 
@RiggsFolly It is always good to know the historical roots en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II . Not sure whatyou mean with Unix/Windows argument. There is nothing to argument which is the better system for a developer: Windows.
 
11:40 PM
@Makyen Ahh now I understand .. Apple ][ I thought I was old... :)
 
My cv-pls is no longer relevant.
 
@Daedalus Which one?
 
The only one I've posted today?
 
@Daedalus This one?
 
@Makyen Yes. The OP has added the code to the question; I'm not sure how to delete the request.
 
11:50 PM
 
@Makyen Thank you.
 
@Daedalus np. To remove it, you ask an RO. Look on the info page and ping one, or more, RO that's recently been in the room (most recent is at the top left). Every user can only edit or delete messages for 2 minutes. ROs can only move messages to another room, we can't actually delete them. Only moderators can actually delete messages.
 
@Makyen Noted for the future then; thanks again.
 
Bah, that huge pile of more or less old resource requests alone would be a good reason to run for mod. :/
 

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