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12:36 AM
Hi all! o/
 
1:07 AM
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1:56 AM
Tag says it all.
 
 
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3:23 AM
@BaummitAugen Two votes still needed. Poster is clearly trolling (see comments). Wish we could get this closed.
 
 
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5:21 AM
@StephenRauch If I commented 'They both suck', would it get deleted? :)
 
5:40 AM
@KenWhite Please slow down on the cv-pls requests. Over the last day, you've posted 25 requests. That's too many. In general, you should vote on an average of 4x as many cv-pls requests from other people as you post. This system breaks down if we don't have people also servicing the requests (each takes 4 other votes). Assuming you're CVing your own cv-pls requests and use all your remaining CV on other cv-pls requests, that works out to an average of posting 10 cv-pls per day.
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Some days you may be over that average, some days under. It doesn't need to be exact. There isn't an explicit hard limit. However, there needs to be a balance.
 
Should this be flagged as trolling?
^Spam
There are a bunch of off topic questions in the CV queue, which is currently proposed for burnination (and could use cleanup in either case).
 
@KenWhite I mention this because I've noticed a high rate of cv-pls requests (high teens, or more) from you over several days. In general, cv-pls should be for the questions which are exceptionally bad, or otherwise fit the criteria in the FAQ. I agree that most of the questions you've posted a cv-pls for should be closed. I VtC a large percentage of them. Try to select out the ones where the community will benefit the most from quick closure.
 
@Makyen Any chance you could run the script to move completed requests to the graveyard? Getting a bit hard to track which ones still need votes.
 
@EJoshuaS It was the next thing on my list of things to do. :-)
 
Yep :) Bunch of spam to flag, too
 
5:56 AM
@EJoshuaS Yeah, that delayed me a bit, too. Still need some spam flags on the middle two (first and last are deleted).
@EJoshuaS Yeah, those are a magnet for advertisements, which if the question is asking for recomendations isn't actually spam. That question was asking for protocols, not services, so we could still consider the spam, spam. :-)
 
Well, I should probably head out for the night... I've got an early conference call with a vendor tomorrow.
 
@EJoshuaS You're welcome to flag, if you want. I'm more "meh" on it. It is basically trolling, and might have been better disposed of as abusive/moderator action. It's closed now with no answer. It'll Roomba in 10 days, so I'd just ignore it and let it be deleted. Trolls are looking for attention, so ignoring is usually the best thing to do. If the user keeps trolling (e.g. with another question), I'd flag and also mention the first trolling question.
@EJoshuaS night o/
 
 
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9:29 AM
@EJoshuaS cc @Olaf One of your cvs came up in meta meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/359978/…
 
I saw spam flags from chat an hour ago or so for somebody posting a promotional link to a lot of chat rooms here, I added the term "dvijok" to Smoke Detector just to get a ping in Charcoal if this comes up again, but I didn't save the link ... anyone here able to tell me what the actual URLs were? The chat flags tab doesn't have a history and is cleared as soon as you click "spam" or "invalid"
 
9:54 AM
@SurajRao Any clue on how this question could have gotten 4 upvotes within 20 minutes, considered it's primarily opinion based?
 
@AlonEitan not sure.. maybe some others are facing the same question? its 5 upvotes and a downvote
 
@SurajRao Oh right, didn't notice the DV. I wonder if it's worth flagging for moderator
Well what the heck, flagged for moderator to check this...
 
@AlonEitan you could but I think it would be declined.. There is no evidence of sock puppets unless you see a pattern
 
@SurajRao I will take my chances, haven't had a declined flag recently, hope I won't have it with this one
 
10:11 AM
I stand by my decision. They basically ask where to find documentation.
:)
 
@Nkosi ok.. was just a heads up. In case you want to answer in meta
 
thanks for the heads. I prefer to just move on. My experiences so far have taught me to not get involved in that specific debate. especially when the rules are clear.
 
10:31 AM
should 1/2 line answers which merely provide a suggestion be flagged as NAA?
 
@WhatsThePoint depends on the answer.. sometimes it can look like an attempt.. there is a grey area there
^^my last cv.. link only answers have begun
 
@SurajRao did i take the right action on this?stackoverflow.com/a/47547985/7147233 i left a comment, flagged as NAA and commented on the question with the 'answer'
 
@Makyen sorry. I did it before, I should've known
 
@WhatsThePoint yeah.. I think its fine..would have flagged it
doesnt really say what the solution is except that Theme_Translucent doesnt exist
 
10:48 AM
@SurajRao thats why i took the action i did, but then when a higher rep user than me, edited the answer and didnt feel the same as i did got me confused
who also has badges in reviewing
 
@WhatsThePoint not sure that user came through a queue.. it went through suggested edits
 
hmm, well thanks for confirming i took the right action
check the smoke detector link :D
 
11:12 AM
@WhatsThePoint ugh, deleted now
 
@tripleee deleted as spam..that would make an interesting audit post
 
BDL
11:30 AM
@SurajRao I'd say no, but too broad. How should SO users know if the database contains valueable data when the asker doesn't know what he stored in it?
 
@BDL could be talking about recovery which would be general computing/server fault..
 
@SurajRao Thanks. Looks like lack of reading competence. Just a crybaby.
Heck, and that guy has 16k reps.
 
12:25 PM
@SurajRao "Professional DB administration" for me.
 
@Olaf oh ya DBA.SE.. forgot about that one
 
@SurajRao I forgot about that, too. At least as a close reasion. I votes as "prof. admin". Anyway, that makes four different close-reasons then.
 
12:54 PM
out of close votes today.
 
1:09 PM
!polP
 
1:28 PM
@SurajRao my flag on that answer i linked earlier got disputed
 
1:46 PM
@Makyen: Just saw your message. Noted. Thanks.
@Makyen Sorry; saw the follow up first and responded to that post, but couldn't link to it. This is the post I was referring to with my last message.
 
 
Why do the SOCVR auto comments include PHP specific guidance?
 
I've wondered that myself
 
Ron
2:40 PM
Hello caretakers.
 
o/
 
o/
 
Ron
How are you all feeling on this glorious hovers mouse over clock... Wednesday?
 
@Mogsdad because php is horrible? :-)
 
2:53 PM
that ^ .... confirmed again y'day by me ...
 
BTW everyone - check the queue in an hour or so -> I'm loading it with more off-topic project management questions in and
Also considering we are burninating project management tags... what are thoughts on the sponsored tag ? stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/youtrack Seems like that tag is off-topic now and belongs on Superuser or PM.SE
 
I wish I knew how to get that blacklist for those tags pushed through
 
@Machavity ping a CM in tavern on the meta to annoy them about it
not sure if that question is off-topic
 
Ron
@TylerH Me neither, what's the procedure in that case? PhD or not.
 
3:08 PM
@Ron well if someone thinks it's off-topic they post a cv-pls for it or just silently cv it I suppose
depends on whether you think it's too G-T-K or resource request
OP does say at the beginning "is there an algorithm for this" and then at the end says "a library would be okay, too"
but it's algorithms and I know people feel finicky about that subject
 
Ron
I am tempted to remove the "during my PhD research" part.
 
@Ron oh, you're talking about the answer
I think that bit is fine
 
Ron
@TylerH Yes.
 
It's not absolutely needed info but it could be relevant for someone by describing the level of expertise the tool creator has
 
Is anyone else having trouble getting on Meta?
 
3:13 PM
@EJoshuaS yep, server error
 
Interestingly enough, other Meta sites seem fine
 
Ron
@TylerH Might as well state "during my stay at the Ivory Tower I developed this...".
Kidding. Semi.
 
@EJoshuaS Yes, but that's Meta all the time
 
Ron
@rene Please discard this request of mine.
 
that was wrong
Meh
 
Ron
3:27 PM
Chances are it will go south either way.
 
BDL
4:04 PM
Ist there a meta.meta so we can complain that meta is down?
 
@BDL Apparently that's Twitter
 
@BDL meh, just panic, that will do
 
4:24 PM
Does this qualify as spam?
 
@Olaf I don't think so. But you might want to inform the OP that stating that they are not affiliated with said company s maybe warranted.
@JarrodRoberson you have posted a multiline message, causing formatting to be skipped
 
user177800
@rene thanks for the hint, I thought that was the right syntax for the tag
 
yw
 
user177800
every last one of the answers has some kind of logic in the catch() block! UGH!
 
Maybe something for a CodeGolf? Only use exceptions to code your solution.
 
dur
5:22 PM
@rene: Could you please remove my post, OP has added code and improved the question.
 
5:49 PM
@Machavity Erk.... WTF is that? It goes on forever:(
 
6:06 PM
@MartinJames It's what happens when you write out each thing you want it to draw, without using something sane (like looping over a JSON object)
 
DRY violation. lol
 
woot, alarm didn't go off this morning, woke up at 10:30 with 2 voicemails, one from my team lead and one from HR
no, I didn't get fired
 
@gunr2171 Oops ...
 
yeah, oh well
 
Do we need to ping you tomorrow?
 
6:18 PM
I am now the butt of many jokes
no :) It was a confusion with the new Wednesday schedule
 
@gunr2171 At least you missed the meeting?
 
well that's the thing, there is no more 6am-10am meetings
 
@gunr2171 You're a bum‌​? What?
 
@gunr2171 instead of the meeting you slept in? Good deal.
 
My body thanked me
 
6:23 PM
Does anyone fancy to do a repro of a bug in Firefox: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/359997/578411
 
does it work with IE6?
 
@rene No repro Netscape 4.1
 
you dare to post a comment
 
my firefox is broken, can't help sorry
 
@gunr2171 I wait for Will to post that
@gunr2171 firefox is broken is a reality now ...
 
6:27 PM
well, my firefox is set up to go through ssh tunnel, but one server is dead and the other doesn't have this computer's ssh key installed....
 
@rene Just reproduced in FF57
 
thx
 
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6:35 PM
\o
 
@gunr2171 Better having a meeting than getting no sleep at all.
 
@Olaf ..unless you are chairing the meeting, then you have to stay awake until the end, or until all the other attendees are asleep, whichever comes first.
 
@MartinJames That's what asistants are for ;-)
 
@Olaf Two or three PowerPoint slides usually does the trick. If the slides have audio, and you have a really bright projector/screen, you can sneak off unnoticed for a nap before the other members drop off.
 
@MartinJames That's why I like TelCos: just when the rest gets silent, auto-play a random snippet like "I see", "Ehe", "could you elaborate?" and the meeting is on autopilot.
 
6:48 PM
lol
 
@Olaf In other words, you'd use Lenny
 
@Machavity Could you elaborate?
 
@Olaf watch the video. Lenny is a system with random audio. You set telemarketers to talk to him and he runs them in circles for an amazing amount of time
 
@Machavity I see
 
Their website is down, but the videos will live in infamy
 
6:53 PM
@Machavity I didn't quite catch that.....what were you talking about again?
 
@Nkosi hehe
 
lol
 
Can you explain with more detail?
 
:-D
Hi, I'm Eliza. Tell me your problem.
 
Oh.. er,, I have a problem with cucumbers.
 
6:55 PM
Advance the video to about 13:30. They have a duck and a pig and Lenny has to get off the phone to deal with... something
 
@MartinJames Just send them to me. Us guinea pigs love cucumbers (the green ones).
 
"Eliza giggles and says 'That is very interesting. Tell me more about your cucumber problem'."
 
7:13 PM
@halfer They just keep growing and growing. Some of then are 250k across. I cannot stop them. They are taking over the world!
 
is this worth a mod flag or just a nice VLQ/NAA flag stackoverflow.com/a/47560111/5292302
 
Same user name? Sock puppet much?
 
and the darn upvotes... baah I will only hit with NAA, mods seems to have to much stuff anyway,,,
 
@PetterFriberg As mentioned, the same usernames make it appear that there's a sockpuppet involved. Given that they've interacted to obtain something that can't be obtained with a single account (definitely the points from the accept, and probably at least one up-vote, or more), it's appropriate to mod-flag for that. If not stopped now, the problem will just grow (assuming it's actually a sockpuppet).
 
@Makyen I already rasied a NAA flag, if you have time can you raise an appropriate mod flag?
 
7:27 PM
@PetterFriberg Sure.
 
Heh, someone can't decide whether I am massively upvote-worthy or downvote-worthy, so erm, they did both! stackoverflow.com/users/472495/halfer?tab=reputation
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@PetterFriberg Plus looking at their rep for today they have a serial up-vote thing going on. All within the last few minutes. definite mod worthy
 
I got a declined comment flag on this review comment.. >10K link stackoverflow.com/questions/26414913/…, it got deleted by LQP queue, hmm I wonder why mod did not consider this as an answer... miss-click or is it NAA?
 
@halfer LOL. That's impressive.
 
7:34 PM
Sock puppet question is also too broad / off-site resource
 
@Makyen it's my best yet :-)
 
@PetterFriberg 2 undeletes...
 
ok thanks
 
My CV review count is officially over 9000
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@halfer lol nice, it's a pitty it wont last for long :D
 
7:38 PM
@PetterFriberg I haven't yet worked out at which shops I can spend the unicorn points anyway :-)
 
I see @gunr2171 is no longer in the to 20 reviewers of all time :-(
 
Yeah, I've been kicked out a bit ago
 
@halfer Keep'em and tell your mom at the Christmas dinner
 
@PetterFriberg Good idea, it might buy me some extra turkey!
 
Yeah mom I give you some rep points if you pass me some extra turkey sound like a good plan
 
7:47 PM
@TylerH crushes scouter Over 9000?!
 
@Machavity 9003 to be exact
 
@TylerH Nice work objective is more cv votes then rep ;)
@TylerH hmm is that reviews or cv votes?
 
@PetterFriberg CV reviews only
I've cast 16,060 total CVs
I don't know if that number from my profile includes CV reviews or just organic ones
 
sock puppet squashed.
 
@TylerH interesting you see it in stats correct check this count stackoverflow.com/users/2756409/…, I wonder what is the difference
There must be some difference since that should also include LQP review, maybe deleted stuff?
 
7:56 PM
Maybe audits?
doubt I've had 1800 though
but yeah I bet it's deleted posts
 
Do we mod flag reviewers that do this stuff? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/18103600
 
@PetterFriberg You could. But looking at the guy's other suggested edit reviews, it seems one-off
 
ok thanks, I will let it slide, but heck even review summary is please ignore :D
 
Yeah that's a good argument to mod flag. Idk.
 
8:08 PM
@PetterFriberg Worse is he added the next question to his question. I would not let him near a blood bank.
 
@Machavity ouch
 
Do we report this to smokey, abusive? unreg user stackoverflow.com/a/47560943/5292302
 
@PetterFriberg Flagged it, but it put it over the top
 
@Machavity ok, yeah enough to post in SOCVR :D
I'm not really sure what to do with clear trolling post... report or not report... The Stalin post I reported baah
@tripleee any advice would be appreciated --^
 
@PetterFriberg If it's pure noise, flag it as spam/rude
 
8:21 PM
yeah I flag but not sure if to report or not, that meta is also related to xfsdfasdf not directly to non-sense text
 
I report it. SD exists to detect noise posts anyways
 
@Makyen deleted and nuked, that worked out perfectly thanks agaiin
 
8:44 PM
(I mod flagged, but deletion here will save them the bother)
 
Not worth the mod flag. If no one is voting to reopen it'll just remain in purgatory.
 
@Compass it was more to flag a user who is edit-warring several times than for deletion - IMO worth getting on the mod radar.
 
It's deleted. It's urgent that is stays deleted;)
 
I have invented a very vapid app.
 
@Compass It's vapourware?
 
8:50 PM
The concept is simple. You post something, possibly a secret, possibly something silly.
One other person in the world can open that message and read it.
Any other client that attempts to fetch it will not be able to read the message.
 
@Compass Why would you want to send secret messages to Chuck Norris?
 
I dunno, maybe some teenagers want to use a confession box for something silly.
 
@MartinJames His name is already a secret code
 
@PetterFriberg np; happy to help out.
 
waddles through the door to Meta.SO to see what's going on.
Welp, that was enlightening.
I did close a question.
 
9:17 PM
When someone complains about a NPE and you ask them what the value of the object is, and he says it is assigned null. =w=
 
Meh, I think I am just going to stop custom mod flags. I know mods have a big workload, but the terseness of the declined messages lands like a big ***-off. Grumble!
Or, as my alter-ego would put it: miaow.
 
Mod flags are for website-spanning ongoing issues IMO.
Like, if it's pure vandalism edit war, mod flag.
 
@Compass these were for users that were being a royal pain
 
If it's some person just being dense, let them be dense.
I usually put the effort on a bad question at 3 to 4 page loads.
After that, if it's still garbage, it's not salvageable, and should just be left to rot.
 
Mods don't have time to see the subtle ongoing problems that some users cause, or the amount of edit work they are creating, and it feels like an additional problem over the constant slew of bad questions.
I am (again) probably spending too much time on a fool's errand!
@MartinJames: surely if X does not exist, then that's the answer?
 
9:26 PM
IMO, if I reach the point where I need a mod, I've spent too long. The only exception is an edit war related to vandalism because those can happen quickly.
 
@halfer I'm going with 42
 
I'm not a babysitter, I just take my little hand duster to the site. If it needs a biohazard containment unit I will mark it. Otherwise, I just waddle off.
 
@Compass fair enough. I think I just need to close Stack Overflow and only open it when I actually need an answer for something. I have a bunch of bookmarks to find questions worthy of a tidy-up, I do a bunch of tidying, and on the odd occasion I need support to encourage a user not to produce more of the same errors I am fixing, I don't always get the backup I need.
Some users will cheerfully trot out the same rubbish even when they've been politely requested to change tack :=)
@MartinJames heh, well the question could close as unclear for some other reason, but not if the reason is that 'Reliable UDP' doesn't exist. If that's the reason then the question is clear, just misinformed. The answer is that what they want to do needs to be rethought - maybe that is valuable?
 
Rule of thumb: put in as much effort as OP has.
 
@halfer It's too late. SO is overrun with homework dumps and cucumbers. Priority is with bums on sites, not moderation of bad questions, a business strategy I can understand, but not support with continual, pointless, unrewarding moderation just to prop up deadbeats and SO investors:(
 
9:33 PM
Help vampires are evil, but worse are time vampires.
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@Compass I like that as a novel title: 'Time Vampires'.
 
@MartinJames yeah. I think I am stuck in an OCD cycle of editing (it's my distraction when work requires harder thinking than noodling on Stack Overflow).
 
9:49 PM
How can smokey see that? I can't see that.
Does smokey have 10K?
 
It was just deleted
 
@Compass Can I give you my 10K, so you can carry on the good fight? ;-)
 
I think smokey monitors the front page only
 
@halfer Is there an RFC for that 'Reliable UDP'? I did Google it, but only found some references to stuff dreamed up my Bell and MS, and that sounded like 'TCP with messages' :)
 
@MartinJames I get the point, I really do - just thought that unless you think the user is trolling (it was suggested in the comments) then steering them with an answer of "there is no such thing, but you could do X" might be appropriate.
 
9:54 PM
@halfer IMHO, the user is calling ME out as the troll:)
 
@MartinJames well, I have two mods that reckon I am a troll, so I have you beat today :=D
Miaow -> hungry
This cat needs to search for some food.
 
@halfer Anyway, no good will come from engaging any further with that OP. I'll ignore.
 
/me swishes tail in agreement
 
All I'd likely do with 10K is read deleted questions.
 
@Compass it's the only priv I use, and even then I could live without it. I was really keen to get to 10K, and I don't think I actually use the tools I got!
 
Ron
10:14 PM
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Hellish afternoon.
 
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Don't post links to answers/questions just to complain about their quality. Such messages tend to result in SOCVR effectively being a voting ring (e.g. downvotes), which we want to avoid. You're welcome to ask if a post needs moderation and/or what that moderation should be, or post an actual request (e.g. cv-pls/del-pls). Some posts can be very frustrating. Individually, it can be helpful to vent, but do so somewhere else.
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/me is a good cat, didn't vote. Just swished tail moodily
 
Ron
Can't seem to be able to post.
Oh there goes.
 
@Machavity Please see this message.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Please see this message.
 
10:30 PM
@Makyen in that case, the DVs make sure that ROOMBA works, not more (I asked to delete earlier)
but understood
 
@Makyen Fair enough
 
@PetterFriberg looks to me like something you could and perhaps should report to Smokey
certainly no harm in reporting it, and could help coordinate responses if the guy comes back
(sorry for any typos; on mobile)
 
11:02 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, I know. But, organized downvoting for the purpose of getting a question Roomba'ed is something we're specifically not supposed to do. On the other hand, we are also specifically permitted to down-vote in order to delete-vote. There's a line in there, somewhere. I believe it to be that you should be evaluating each post on it's own merits. If that post is bad, then down-voting just that post is fine.
That issue's separate from requesting downvotes in SOCVR, which is not permitted (and you did not do so). What you did, post a del-pls, is the way to handle it. In the future, it would be preferred to delay posting the del-pls until the question can actually be deleted-voted (10k or 20k), unless there's reason for it to go now. This was discussed in the last room meeting (see #1) & the FAQ updated.
 
11:14 PM
 
@Makyen: thanks for the info. Trying not to cross lines here. Then I would have to bookmark the question and send a del-pls request when 10k users can delete it. Ok I can wait 3 days.
3 upvotes to fix a typo, I just didn't see it in a while in python. seems to be much more common in java
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I feel a bit responsible to help make the situation easier. I need to get a new version of the CV Request Generator into beta. It allows you to send a delayed del-pls (currently 2 (wait for 10k delete) or 11 days (make sure Roomba deleted it)). When the time expires and you next open a question, an additional tab will be opened for you to inspect the current state of that question. I keep getting pulled onto other things. I need to get it done.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, solving a simple typo that's very clearly stated in the error message isn't something I'd expect to be upvoted.
 
11:32 PM
Ugh. Internet at work has been down for hours. Probably not gonna be fixed today. Rip. Been reading documentation on my phone, painfully.
\o/ It's back
 

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