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7:00 PM
@Kyll haha
 
@Braiam tell that to the RO's ;) I'll have a look at it, but it won't be end-to-end SSL, it's still just end-to-Cloudflare
unless you can disable name checking
 
@ArtOfCode Yeah we need to look into that as well
 
user4639281
@ArtOfCode tinygiant.io
 
@TinyGiant Can I suggest a color scheme for your site? :p
 
user4639281
You can suggest whatever you like :P
 
7:11 PM
Where is that meta question on what counts as a typo
 
from there to actually implement that color... that's another story
@TylerH if you have to ask...
 
@Braiam are you going to finish that statement?
E.g. whether it means simple transcription error or whether it includes "person used <= intentionally, but <= is wrong and they should have used >="
Because I feel like we close a lot of questions as the latter and those aren't really typos
 
@TylerH on my keyboard, both <> are pretty close one to the other
 
@TylerH resolved in a manner unlikely to help future visitors
 
@TylerH for example, this is not a typo blog.cloudflare.com/…
 
7:19 PM
@Tunaki that's not a CV option unfortunately.
We no longer have too localized
 
@TylerH actually it's part of the typo close reason
 
@TylerH "While similar questions may be on-topic here, this one was resolved in a manner unlikely to help future visitors."
 
@Braiam On most keyboards they are, but I can also type over 100wpm without errors, including keys that are right next to each other
@NobodyNada that's from a banner, not a CV reason on the dialog window we see (which is problematic), but from what banner?
 
it's from the CV reason
 
ah I see, it's buried in the middle of the paragraph
We really need to overhaul the CV reasons and their text
 
7:22 PM
@TylerH it is actually
 
@Tunaki see below (above)
 
I looked below, but only saw darkness
 
At least the darkness didn't look back at you
On an unrelated note, I just scored a nice deal at Target
 
Ah now I see a message below the above
 
they had the Logitech G35 ($100 headset, roughly) on display for $50 so I got it for $50
turns out they had been meaning to display some Razer headset but put the Logitech one out, so they had to honor that one
I was looking at it like "wow $50, this is a nice price for this headset, I'll buy it". And then the cashier was like "that'll be $100" and my face got all confused
 
7:26 PM
@TylerH Razer's are better/more expensive?
 
@Braiam cheaper*
The tag on the shelf was for a $50 Razer headset, but the actual headset on display for that tag was a Logitech G35 headset ($100 value)
and their store policy is they have to honor the tag price on display
 
7:39 PM
there seems to be something wrong with this a.co/23WrK0s
 
Oh my...
 
@TylerH Goodness
 
@TylerH you forgot the
 
7:48 PM
My question was closed as a duplicate by a user with the dupehammer, but I don't think the duplicate target answers the question in any shape or form. Opinions before I do a proper reopen-pls request?
 
@Machavity ^
 
@Glorfindel heh, got time for 230k cv-pls reqs? :-P
 
@cybermonkey No, don't pass a reopen-pls here, as it is your question
 
Time, yes, but votes, no ...
 
7:49 PM
@Olaf Best not to post cv-pls if there's been no activity in years
 
Let's start the party ... (no, I will not post more)
 
In general, we shouldn't act on questions without recent activity, right?
 
@Glorfindel correct
 
@TylerH: Why not? let's clean them up. Anyway, I just picked two of the heap which had CVs pending.
 
@Olaf it's the room's rule, not mine
IIRC it is on the subject of "we are here to close questions that need attention now or to close questions which won't naturally be disposed of"
 
7:51 PM
@TylerH I already wrote, I will not post more. Just those two. But it might be a good idea to push those which have pending CVs so we don't loose them.
 
We refrain from closing old questions (without activity) because every user has 50 cvs and there's already a lot on our platter.
 
which skews Shog stats claiming that posts are closed within 7 minutes of being asked on average
 
@Olaf yes, I know. I had posted my line before you said you would not post more, but after you had posted two :-)
 
is the room for meeting already up?
 
@cybermonkey We added a rule concerning this, that you might have missed. But basically we don't want people to requests actions on things they have asked or answers. For the dupe, no idea. Perhaps @Machavity or @Rizier123 can take a look.
 
@BhargavRao Maybe there should be some task-force to get rid of the old rubbish once and forever. Otherwise we will eventually drown in such questions. (just being optimistic; we might already be)
 
wait wait we still need to prepare coffee and waffles Glorfindel
 
@Glorfindel not needed, it will be unlocked soon-ish
 
The Meeting room will be unfrozen when we are ready to go. No need to request access.
 
Ah, OK. Sorry.
I'm relatively new to chat, I don't know how everything works.
 
7:55 PM
np
It happens every meeting.
 
@TylerH Yes, I can be a bugger sometimes :-)
 
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@Glorfindel Magicâ„¢
 
@Glorfindel you should flag anything you have a question about for ROs to answer, next to the star icon
0:-)
 
user4639281
And on that bombshell...
 
@Tunaki Understood. The dupehammer user re-opened it anyhow so they obviously agree with me.
 
7:57 PM
@Tunaki hah, what a coincidence...
I just hit that question naturally in the queue
once again, wish it would say that the question is closed already...
 
@TylerH it has four reject votes now ...
 
My question's a godsend to what is usually posted in the tag though, so that's one thing..
 
@Glorfindel I just had to one-up everyone
 
Actually, what is the worst tag in regards to the amount of problem questions/answers?
 
(i.e. all the 'why am I post banned' questions)
 
7:59 PM
darn still 1h hour to room meeting time to switch from UTC to CET
 
:D
 
@cybermonkey probably js
simply because of the volume and the low barrier to entry
 
@cybermonkey any tag where the average time to answer is less than 5 minutes
 
@cybermonkey probably or something
 
I recently got thanks from an OP after closing their question as duplicate with the dupehammer. Hell has officially frozen over.
 
8:04 PM
That has always surprised me, closing as dupe is helping op... can't understand how people can see it as something bad.
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@Louis Good Guy OP
So far so good on this G35 headset, plug n play via USB worked pretty well
wonder how it would work on a linux install
 
@TylerH Send them to me, I will tell you
 
@Braiam heh
 
it's too late to suggest a meeting topic, right?
 
8:07 PM
I have this ugly error on linux anyone has an idea? Exception in thread "main" javax.media.opengl.GLException: Failed to created/initialize EGL display incl. fallback default: native 0x0, error 0x3001/0x3001
at jogamp.opengl.egl.EGLDisplayUtil.eglGetDisplayAndInitialize(EGLDispla yUtil.java:177)
 
@NobodyNada might be since we're inside of an hour now
 
@NobodyNada it will be for the next one
 
@PetterFriberg probably a error on your code, which should be included along with the error message in the question that you need to ask ;)
 
@Kyll OK, thanks
 
@PetterFriberg Looks ugly. Native code ugly.
 
8:09 PM
@PetterFriberg are you using jogl
 
@Braiam meeh works on windows : ).... need to be some darn linux stuff, it headless creating of 3d graph
 
@PetterFriberg no [mcve]
 
@PetterFriberg are your GL drivers fine?
 
@NobodyNada Worked it out in comments. Thanks
 
Make sure OpenGL is correctly installed, x32 64 , etc
 
8:09 PM
@PetterFriberg Here is where you'll find your solution goo.gl/QQlfxJ
 
@PetterFriberg "Check that you do not have some old jogl*.jar copy stuck inside the jvm ext directory. "?
 
lol, yeah installed tons of stuff... but still that ugly error...
 
"egl_softpipe.so is a CPU software fallback OpenGL ES driver provided by the Mesa. Check that you have the right OpenGL driver package installed from your distribution. "
 
@Braiam new installation I don't think so... according to you, problem with stuff installed on machine or java libs?
 
8:11 PM
I'd blame opengl install
 
I'm just reading forum.jogamp.org/… :P
 
If I can blame installation that would be the best way... since it's it that have installed : )
 
darn IT, always messing things up
:)
 
Its part of the job description.
 
or could be a very recent problem bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=844135
 
8:13 PM
They installed this mesa-libEGL-11.2.2-2.20160614.el7.x86_64.rpm mesa-libGLES-11.2.2-2.20160614.el7.x86_64.rpm mesa-libGLU-9.0.0-4.el7.x86_64.rpm mesa-libGLw-8.0.0-4.el7.x86_64.rpm (libXft-2.3.2-2.el7.x86_64.rpm libXp-1.0.2-2.1.el7.x86_64.rpm mesa-libgbm-11.2.2-2.20160614.el7.x86_64.rpm motif-2.3.4-8.el7.x86_64.rpm xorg-x11-xbitmaps-1.1.1-6.el7.noarch.rpm) and they wonder if they need to install the package's named "-devel", what should I say?, yes of course!!
 
That's a lot of mesas.
 
install all teh thinz
at some point, it'll eventually work
 
darn I really have no idea on linux lol, so easy on windows...
 
@Tunaki it's funny to say that... until you notice that you will use ~2TB of data that you don't need
 
Wanted to stay for the meeting, But the winter cold has given me a slight fever. I'll read the transcripts tomo. Cya
 
8:15 PM
Cya BR
 
Night o/
 
Bye, get well soon! o/
 
@BhargavRao get well soon
 
Thanks, Will be fine by tomo morning. :)
 
8:17 PM
@Tunaki I did that yesterday with a Visual Studio environment and didn't pay attention to where I installed it and it took my OS drive down to 20GB free space D-:
 
the 8 hour, need to go out and have fun, flu
 
@Braiam Can't really understand it, hw can I check if it is this bug
 
@PetterFriberg a FTBFS bug is usually: 1 lack of headers (you need to add build dependencies), 2 incomparability between libraries (you need to use specific versions of the dependencies), 3 a bug on the program (the program asserts stuff that is not true with the libraries, or just messes up)
 
@Braiam ok thanks
 
8:20 PM
looks like you need to install bunch of things, and see if glxinfo | grep OpenGL returns something
 
@Tunaki Yeah bookmarked, I will send it to IT, if they like 3d surface graph they better install the correct stufzzz... I was worried that maybe I was doing something wrong (missing java lib or other stuff),but I'm pretty sure it's a problem of the OpenGL2 installation on the machine.
 
It looks like native code is failing, so I wouldn't expect the Java code to be wrong
 
@PetterFriberg usually, I would just ldd executable to suss out those issues
but java...
 
java code is ok working nice on windows.. but then it has native libs for linux... but yeah it's IT's fault : )
 
there was an auto-apt-install that basically sits between your program and the system, watches what libraries it is trying to access, matches it with the index of packages files, and installs it (hoping for the best)
 
8:29 PM
nice... I need that... just fire all the IT personal...
 
:D
 
apparently there's autodeb... wiki.ubuntu.com/AutoDeb
 
@Braiam do you know what "-devel" package's are?, do they do any difference?
 
@PetterFriberg headers
if you want to "develop", you want headers
 
ok so I guess they need to install'em... I was right then to answer of course : )
 
8:33 PM
You're the boss, tell them they didn't do their job properly, and you're very very angry and now you expect the server properly installed, served with waffles :p
 
@Tunaki meeh it's a bank's IT staff... they are the client, so I better stay bend'ed forward..
 
now, I would expect the readme to list the dependencies
 
@Braiam it's a java lib... it has lot's of lib for native code, but it is expecting OpenGL 2 do be installed correctly... since it not really heavily used not much info on this issue, I only found this forum.jogamp.org/…, that I have hard time to decode since I'm really bad at linux.
it's also headless which make it worse..
 
@PetterFriberg is there a X server installed?
 
I don't think so, but I can have any server as long as it is linux.., it's developed on windows but this client needs to run on linux... (what ever $ it takes)
 
8:42 PM
@PetterFriberg an X server handles the GUI. Do you have a GUI installed?
 
No GUI, headless application
Chart chart = AWTChartComponentFactory.chart(Quality.Advanced,
org.jzy3d.chart.factories.IChartComponentFactory.Toolkit.offscreen + "," + dimension.width + "," + dimension.height);
"Toolkit.offscreen"
 
the mesa library is probably to do gpu calculations
 
yeah, but not show things on screen
 
@Tunaki what am I missing?
 
zomg 900 seconds left
 
@Tunaki nice
 
@Petter
Why do you want to avoid X? If you need OpenGL you really kinda need X... If it's just "I want it to go as fast as possible" you don't need to get rid of X, just don't start a compositor or desktop environment and only run your app inside X. Also if it is "I want speed" X is very unlikely to be the bottleneck since DRI rendering pretty much bypasses it entirely. — Spudd86 Jun 16 '10 at 13:58
 
Well, if you don't need graphics, there's no reason to have X. But maybe you still need a virtual one like Xvfb.
=/
 
@NobodyNada meeh I don't want anything.... I really just need to help IT understand and solve the problem... but I have no clue on linux, so first step is to understand if my problem or theirs... second give them some clues to solve the problem...
 
mesa is used to access gpu capabilities... you need them to mine bitcoins for example
but many of the most advanced miners are headless/don't need xservers
 
8:59 PM
Man that countdown timer in the closed meeting room is annoying
 
So glad I do not have to see it
 
@NathanOliver your privilege is showing. triggered!
 
It's a little irritating to not be able to see it.
 
in SOCVR Room Meetings, 9 mins ago, by gunr2171
RO's and Moderators, please open up an incognito window to view the current timeout.
 
9:07 PM
@Undo We do have a user script if you are interested
 
I just opened an incognito window. Meh.
 
9:24 PM
folks: Mind taking a look at stackoverflow.com/q/41616944/1849664 for possible reopening?
 
cc @Tunaki ^
 
can I add that on the todo queue
will look after meeting
 
Is that a Java question really? The solution is probably (basically) the same for all languages that have some sort of 32bit int.
Or n-bit int for any n really.
 
10:02 PM
The room suddenly comes back to life!
 
well, that was fun
 
Most github notifications i've had in my life
 
user4639281
I'm out, have fun guys
 
That felt productive
@TinyGiant \o
 
@TylerH You're not watching SmokeDetector o_o
@TinyGiant o/
 
10:03 PM
@Kyll definitely not
 
Smokey isn't all that noisy :P
I get emails for every commit on Smokey/metasmoke. It's not too bad.
 
Smokey emails are more noisy than metasmoke emails.
I had Smokey emails for a while, then they got too noisy for me. I still get metasmoke, though.
 
Meh, SD is just smoke, I only want to know when there's fire
@LynnCrumbling And no, it was a reference to Monty Python and the Holy Grail
the holy hand grenade scene
 
@TylerH follow FireAlarm then :p
 
@NobodyNada that also just detects smoke :-P
well the alarm sounds when the smoke detector detects smoke
 
10:06 PM
Does not really seem related to the question.
 
oh my; FireAlarm has 5487 unread inbox notifications
 
Cloudflare HTTPS enabled on charcoal-se.org
 
@BaummitAugen yep to me
 
I would not invalidate a spam flag on that
 
unsolicited and unrelated program advertisement
even if it's not by a user affiliated with PureText, it's still spam by my definition
 
10:07 PM
Alright, flagged.
Thanks.
 
@BaummitAugen It seems to be an acceptable answer on Super User.
 
Resolutions made during the meeting are available on the website: socvr.org/room/meetings/2017/01/16/January-2017-meeting.html.
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So not spam I guess.
 
Depends on your definition of spam and the type of content allowed on SO
software recs are not OK on SO
they are on SU, but this one is unsolicited for the question being asked
which makes it spam there too, IMO
since the program in no way helps OP with their problem
 
10:19 PM
Off to me bed, night!
 
Bye! o/
 
nn
 
@Undo I'm not understanding that question fully.
 
@Tunaki They probably want something like this‌​, whatever the Java equivalent for that is.
 
Hmm. Well there are dupes for this
 
10:38 PM
TIL the specification to PDF is only available in a PDF file. Future archaeologists are going to have a fun time...
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good compilers compile themselves
 
> What the difference between a string and a file?
What the difference between a street and a potato? :/
 
@BaummitAugen why didn't roomba get that?
 
@Adriaan Has both upvoted and accepted answer.
Both keep the roomba away.
 
@BaummitAugen accepted is self-answered, that shouldn't prevent roomba
 
10:53 PM
@Adriaan Ah, did not notice that.
Still, upvoted answer is enough.
 
but yea, props the other was upvoted before it roomba'd
 
clicks link, delete vote done, I think I need some sleep ....
 
user3956566
@rene sleep well
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis question of the day :P
Ninja'd Nobody ;-)
 
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