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2:00 PM
Or I could try it as soon as he/she gets elected :P
 
@TheLostMind Don't tempt me .. :3
Now I have to find a meta question/answer where I can comment that without appearing completely confused.
:) ..
 
@Seth - What will you comment?. On what basis? :P
 
@TheLostMind Or have they, and it's just been swept under the rug by The Man to keep the sheep-mods in line >:-D
 
JAL
rude or just not constructive?
 
@TheLostMind Oh, HD picked it up :(
 
JAL
2:03 PM
hi all o/
 
:P
\o @JAL
 
Hey JAL o/
 
JAL
hello!
 
@JAL for me rude, but I guess you are used to worse... : )
 
JAL
ha
 
2:03 PM
Gone already
:|
 
is the heat detector score a score of how offensive a comment is?
 
@TylerH Yus
 
hmm
 
hmmmmm
 
assuming it's out of 10, I probably would've given that one a 4
maybe a 3
 
2:04 PM
@TheLostMind I don't know ...
That's the issue.
 
@PetterFriberg not sure what info you're trying to convey to me... :-)
 
@TylerH the score is a way to determine how offensive comment is (hits regex, hits classifiers with what threshold) etc, but note we search for all comments that can lead to offensive or abusive post or comments (as in your case)
 
yo!
 
2:07 PM
@PetterFriberg the link that you linked to resolves to the question because the comment is deleted
oh, nevermind
 
@TylerH if you follow it we also caught the next comment, in itself it's not bad but it is indicating a problem on post...
 
It wasn't loading earlier, but it is now
 
but do not post this in comments to OP, we are still testing so we need peace : )
 
at a cursory glance, heat detector seems like something that should be turned over to moderators. Is it just being dry run for now to gather data/improve the algorithm?
sniped
@TheLostMind Can a moderator ignore a user in chat?
or staff member
 
@AshishAhujaツ I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
2:10 PM
Or due to their elevated status would they still see the messages
 
@TylerH its running on low-threshold to gather data, the feed that bluefeet provided was cut down rather drastically (many comments where not offensive), so 1/2 feed is a twitter feed that Laurel provided.
 
These bots sound so much fun to create...
 
@Seth you should see them before they hit live testing
 
@Seth Yeah lost of fun, that's the true reason we do it : )... helping SO is just a by product...
 
@TylerH Fuuuuuun!
 
@PetterFriberg ^.^
@TylerH Can't click it :c Is it the one with the feeding robot? :D
 
yes
 
Ahh ;D
That one is really good
 
It really makes me want to make a self-feeding robot
 
@gunr somehow, clo has not been detecting my audits in the the last few days. Si this a known bug?
 
2:15 PM
you're on the list right?
 
yup.
@clo my membership
 
@AshishAhujaツ You are in the Reviewer group.
 
Hum. as much as I hate to, this is a @Sam question
 
link to an audit?
 
2:16 PM
because I haven't worked on closey in a long time and anything dealing with interfacing with the website is not my area
 
sure. one sec
 
Sam
Hmm
 
it could be a deleted audit, nope
 
Sam
Someone else said Closey missed their audits too.
 
2:17 PM
She didn't miss mine.
 
@Closey status
 
It missed my audits over the last few days too
 
SOCVR Chatbot, running at Sam's Backup Server, version 288cb2a0 on master, running for 18 days, 19 hours, 27 minutes, and 53 seconds.
 
Are you sure you reviewed questions after the audit?
 
no polling information with Status?
 
2:18 PM
I noticed the notification only comes after the next review.
 
@Tunaki I did the last time I saw this, right now I didn't. I'll review one now
 
Ashish Ahuja ツ passed a audit!
 
There you go.
 
Sam
@gunr2171 The lib works differently now, those kinds of stats wouldn't make much sense
 
ah, ok
 
2:19 PM
why does it need us to review one more post after we pass an audit?
 
Because she decided it that way.
 
I've noticed that too
 
Picky girl.
 
Sam
sigh
 
@Tunaki For sale: One full set of the Encyclopaedia Brittanica. Mint condition. Reason: Just got married. Wife knows everything.
6
 
Sam
2:20 PM
@AshishAhujaツ It's due to an optimisation of the tracking system. Closey is notified real-time for every non-audit item you review.
 
Sam
But she has to poll your reviews tab to look for audits.
So to prevent her from polling everyone all the time, she'll only check for audits if you're "actively reviewing".
 
Ashish Ahuja ツ passed a audit!
 
People don't respect the downvote. This question gets asked which clearly makes no sense and will never be helpful to anyone. User answers the question and defends it...
 
Ha! you saw it!
Already starred for deletion in 2 days.
 
2:26 PM
I just woke up, I don't need this!
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis True.
 
:)
 
close votes still below 8k nice
shame it was below 7k last night when i did my rampage
 
"Below 8k [...] nice"...
>.<
 
@Seth It can go above 10k some days
So below 8 is nice
 
2:28 PM
Below 8 == Better than above 10
 
@AshishAhujaツ You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 2 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 18 minutes and 40 seconds, averaging to a review every 28 seconds.
 
But below 8 != nice ô,o ...
How many CVs does one have / day?
 
@Seth 50
 
on small sites, you get 24 cv's
 
2:29 PM
@Seth sometimes you get ∞ :p
 
as long as we can hold around 8k, the site stays pretty clean
we can't realistically close everything, but at least we're not getting overflown
huehue
 
JAL
Actually got the OP to cooperate on an off-topic bounty question. Is there any SE site where one can ask for database recs? Maybe Software Recs? Don't want to add that as a comment if it is off-topic there as well
 
@JonClements How do I get ∞ ? :o
Ask a mod nicely?
 
JAL
@Seth or become one
 
the natural ebb and flow of CVs is about 7k to 10.6k, where it levels off after age-outs
 
2:30 PM
@AshishAhujaツ => 1k people needed for 10k Closes :| ...
 
@JAL software recs is currently the only potential candidate
but i'm not 100% on it there
 
@Seth true. Thus the total cv's we get per day should increase so that we can at least close some more, as for sure 1k people will not come
 
@JAL Mhh. I don't think that I'll get to the rep threshold anytime soon c: And I like ranting way too much to be a good moderator.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis it's gone now, you can take your coffee :)
 
@AshishAhujaツ I would come, but repz m8 :p
 
2:32 PM
There isn't a rep threshold for being a moderator
IIRC
 
there isn't one
 
Wasn't there sth with 10k? ô.o
Oh.
 
but you dont get the 40/40 by being low o
 
See, another reason!
 
JAL
Especially when a SE site starts out, mods usually have low rep
 
2:32 PM
Well, there sort of is
 
I don't know sh*t about elections on here :)
 
@TylerH there is. To participate in an election, on SO you need 1500 rep
 
@AshishAhujaツ to participate but you can be nominated by someone else
 
@Compass Ah, right, got that mixed up.
 
in most cases, I'd say 35/40 is the minimum for actually getting past the primaries
 
2:33 PM
@TylerH ah, Then you're right
 
for stack overflow
 
Let's just spin this thought further for a sec. Imagine the following:
 
for an edge exchange, not so much, but here, people are drive-by voting half the time
 
A user with 500 rep-ish gets nominated & wins.
 
I'm gonna take a shot instead @Tunaki
 
2:34 PM
How will he effectively moderate ô.o
 
@Seth he has access to all the moderation tools as a moderator, so...
 
moderators get powers outside of typical moderation tools
he'
he'll be like a 20k user <.<
 
@TylerH Moderating isn't about hammering users in the ground.
Well, not always.
Respect is a valuable asset.
And some high-reps would probably not be too happy of having a 500 rep person telling them what to do c:
 
@Seth right, you get respect by virtue of having a diamond
 
Just a guess.
 
2:35 PM
but there's not a lot of dialog between moderators and users
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis ??
 
What I mean is that most moderation that mods do here is just unilateral action
acting on flags, closing questions, etc.
they have the lounge to discuss stuff in chat privately, and sometimes they explain their flag handling
but most of the time they don't respond to a rude comment, they just delete the comment
etc.
 
JAL
@EricAya we should have closed this before the bounty was added, it's garbage stackoverflow.com/q/38814460/2415822
 
@JAL can't we close it now?
 
JAL
@AshishAhujaツ no, the OP added a bounty
 
2:38 PM
However @Seth you are not currently eligible to run for moderator anyway, because you have not earned the Convention badge, the Strunk & White badge, and the Civic Duty badge (all requirements for running, along with the Deputy badge which you have)
 
@kayess What's up?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Why are you so angry over our dearest fish ?:x
 
@TylerH how can we earn convention?
 
but as far as respect goes, you'd be surprised just how many under-18 moderators Stack Overflow has elected :-P
@AshishAhujaツ 10 posts with score 2+ on Meta
 
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Q: processingjs == processing.js

Kevin WorkmanI'll just cut to the chase: The processingjs tag should be deleted, and the 3 questions in it should be retagged with the processing.js tag. I can just manually edit the tags to remove them, but then will the empty processingjs tag still be around, tempting people to use it? Is there some extra...

 
2:39 PM
^ already done...
 
@TylerH oh. I already earned it and didn't know about it :p
 
@kayess I think you misunderstood my comments.
 
a misunderstanding? in this room? never!
2
 
@TylerH Ah I see c:
 
2:58 PM
@Seth No MCVE
 
@kayess Thx :]
 
Plop again
 
huh
 
Urgh seriously? It's open again..?
Reopened by Shog9. Oh boy.
 
@Kyll No.
 
3:06 PM
it was voted reopen by 5 users
 
@Tunaki ?
 
It went 5 times in the reopen queue
 
Yeah, but reopened by Shog in 2013
 
The fifth time was the one.
 
Wait
 
3:07 PM
So... flag again?
 
It was closed by a diamond, then reopened by another diamond, then closed by 5 voters, then reopened by a diamond, then closed by 5 voters, then reopened by 5 voters
 
Needs to be locked at this point
 
@Kyll no
 
Flagged for historical Lock
 
Closed by a diamond, Reopened by a diamond, closed by 5 users and reopened by 5 users
with a bunch of reviews in between leaving it open or closed
unanimously =/
 
3:09 PM
@Tunaki It was reopened by Adam Lear in 2014 after it was closed by 5 voters
 
oh right...
 
Yep.
How much coffee have you had today?
 
Not enough :(
 
You cannot have enough coffee :|
 
@TylerH Could you give some feedback on that flag? If declined, let's go Meta.
 
3:10 PM
@Kyll will do
 
@TylerH no, not Will. You will.
 
@kayess Thanks
 
That's the most bad*ss joke of today. ----^
 
@kayess Thanks
 
That's the most bad*ss joke of today. ----^
 
Sam
3:12 PM
@Tunaki He's Tyler, not Not Will.
 
Sam wins
 
@Tunaki sudo will do
 
Sam
 
R.I.P.
 
not even a broken link reference remains :-(
 
Sad days... ._.
 
Now we will never find the I in Team.
 
3:31 PM
Let's launch a new version & call it Tiems? :o (To prevent copyright issues c:)
 
@Closey my membership
 
@dorukayhan You are not in any permission groups.
 
@dorukayhan Right now you are not going to be able to use closey as you do not have close vote privileges.
 
Where has Mogsdad been?
 
3:37 PM
Good Q, wanted to ask this as well
 
@TylerH Hiding :p
 
@Mogsdad wemiss you buddy
 
@Mogsdad wedo
 
I have gotten approximately negative things done at work today
 
3:53 PM
Mod just reverted bounty and closed this, does it deserve deletion?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis i don't think so, as it has an accepted answer. it should be heavily downvoted instead of being deleted
 
afk
 
4:18 PM
@Tunaki -List <? extends SOmething> and UnmodifiableList were created for completely different reasons. The former was never meant to be immutable
 
JAL
4:29 PM
@PetterFriberg is that answer offensive as well? if(undefined !== $scope[yourmom]) yourMommaSoFat()
poof
 
i guess it was : )
 
@JAL - yes
 
soo many answered typo questions...
 
4:45 PM
@TheLostMind sure, but all we can come up are guesses. Maybe they're good, maybe they're wrong, we don't know. Unless someone can dig up the right mail from a mailing-list. Even then, maybe the mail will say "because reasons".
I personally would find very weird List<String> a = unmodifiableList(Arrays.asList("1")); not to compile
And I find it funny that right by the time I leave this comment, an answer of mine is downvoted... =/
 
It is the Java gods expressing their disapproval ;)
 
@Tunaki at least you know who it is....
commuting home cya, have fun on meta : )
 
@Tunaki Need professional help
For a purée, I've got my potatoes all peeled up and cooked. I'll add milk, the yellow of an egg, salt and pepper. Any advice?
 
5:02 PM
hmm, you can add butter, not too much
 
True dat
Crème fraîche?
 
Instead of milk
if you do
 
Ah yeah
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Really?
 
5:03 PM
That's how I like them :)
@TheLostMind Do you have any suggestions for convincing users not to answer questions that clearly need to be closed?
 
@Kyll I would serve it with Boerenkool en Rookworst
 
DuckDuckGoing...
Of course it'd be sausages
 
rene is all about sausages
 
:)
 
5:06 PM
I don't eat meat at home
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Whatever you do be nice about it. It does no one any good getting the person you are trying to convince aggitaged
 
@NathanOliver I think we've discussed this before and there's a limit to my patience. My question primarily applies to high reputation users that will be unaffected by downvotes. I can't go that route. And they don't seem to care about the guidelines of the site.
 
There really is no good solution. I try to point out the error of their ways and if that is unsuccessful I star the Q and delete it after it is closed. It would be really nice if SO introduced some controls based on the number of answers you have on questions that are closed and delete by not the OP.
 
So I do that close/delete a lot. I've noticed I've done this for the same few 30k+ users who can clearly see the delete post and they still don't get it. Those controls would be nice.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis OK then you need to post that question after two hours when your "patience" has recharged.
 
5:16 PM
Which question @TIPS?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Don't you want to post some meta and ask high-rep users to moderate the site?
 
No, the high rep users on meta moderate just fine imo. It's those that aren't on meta that have no idea what they are doing.
 
And what you want to do is to post some meta about it? Laughs
@queen I read that "@Autoweird"
 
I don't want to involve meta at all, they get enough rants.
 
So what do you want to do?
 
5:20 PM
I want @TheLostMind's opinion.
 
Well, I always accepted stuff like this as the natural flow of things. The pace of river that you can't fight against, and can't change.
If you ever manage to change something for more than just a few hours, I'd be amazed.
 
Well SO can change it. It is just they need enough motivation and will to do so.
 
1. You can't teach if there is no learner.
2. You can't make people do things. Esp. the high-rep, that have built up their own special ego.
They aren't to blame. One point of gaining rep is building "trust".
And with trust comes ego.
Superman is never modest.
Spiderman, however, is, because not everyone approves of him, and even less people trust him.
3. You can't expect people to be better than they are.
Some people won't help even if they know how to do it.
And have the time and energy to do so.
And 4. Moderation is a tougher task when you think about it.
It's not solely being in a friendly chatroom with questionable humor and endless puns.
But you know better than that.
 
I feel like doing the reverse, going entirely rogue and making worse.
Answering all the String comparison duplicates
all the typos, all the syntax errors
all the random generics, the tool requests
 
Moderation's like raising a kid. In the end, you'll only do it because you care about the kid.
 
5:28 PM
I make enough daily reputation to offset the loss
and I'll probably make more from users who don't know any better
 
You don't like changing diapers, but you like your kid.
 
@Tunaki Want to go rogue with me? ^^^
 
Oh wait, I didn't read the conversation back-reading
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Well, yes. But let's see what's the thing that stops us.
 
5:31 PM
LETS GO TO WAR!!
 
YES!!!!
!!!
!!
!
 
:)
 
.
 
> "Cry Havoc, and let slip the dogs of war!
 
5:33 PM
@Sot I also sometimes want to go and answer all the crap I see on ELL's "Newest Page", and I would easily rep-cap, earn "trust", and gain confidence. But I don't.
Some of it is because I'm too lazy
 
Hiya πάνταῥεῖ
 
But the main thing is that I'm holding myself at higher standards than that.
@πάνταῥεῖ \o
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis That's funny because that's the kind of things I actually consider from time to time. "Want to show something isn't working quite right? Take it to yourself to the extreme and show it isn't working at all"
 
And that's why I'm the superior user.
 
But, I don't find it to work very well...
 
5:35 PM
Now you're the superior user @Sot, and the only thing you want now is to build a mirage of a higher status and work towards it. But there's no higher status than this on SO.
 
If we all do it...power users. Get Hovercraft and some other peeps to answer all the garbage instead of closing it
Answer even the things you don't know
will have answer rate of like 99%
they'll have to figure out there's an issue
 
@Tunaki you'd be surprised at just how much of the CSS spec is the way it is because tab atkins said 'because reasons'
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis But who do you want to realize there's a problem?
Who, that already doesn't?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I considered it, everyone will say that you're the one that broke everything.
@SotiriosDelimanolis That will be the easiest one :) Just throw a link :p
 
@TIPS The site owners, moderators, and the users I was referring to earlier.
 
5:40 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis I'm pretty sure the site owners and mods already feel your pain.
"The Ignorant Ones" will never know, because they don't want to know.
 
They need to feel the pain to their breaking point
 
@TIPS you've got to be careful how you use that word; it (wrongly) carries a lot of negative connotations without specific context
 
@TylerH Yeah, I kept looking for something less negative, but couldn't find.
 
@Tunaki, @SotiriosDelimanolis - IMO, the OP doesn't understand that unmodifiableList and list<? extends Something> were introduced for different reasons. That is why I am not sure if the question is opinion based. To me the question looks like - *difference between List<? extends Something> and unmodifiableList()`. But yes, looking at the structure, it does look like that question that would attract opinionated answer (that is why I am not voting to re-open)
 
@TheLostMind (I'm not talking about that in my @ comment to you.)
 
5:43 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis - Honestly, the only things that can be done is - "close dupes as soon as possible" and drop a comment when a person answers a dupe. I don't think that we should down vote answers
 
I'm getting more and more in love with Chrome's new font features after the update.
 
@TheLostMind On the subject of that POB, you might want to clean up comments: stackoverflow.com/questions/38855352/…
 
Ah dam it degenerated
 
ok, I gtg, ttyl, thanks for chat
 
cya Sotirios
 
5:46 PM
Dang.. wanted to say -- > There will always be newbies (and some experienced ppl) who will answer equals VS == questions every single time. We can't stop them. We will have to learn to live with them. @SotiriosDelimanolis
 
@TheLostMind well we could ban them...
 
@TylerH - That would be incorrect.. afk
 
incorrect according to...
 
According to wrong ellipsisses.
Or ellipsees.
 
5:55 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ They can't find "Where", apparently
 
@TIPS Well, needs an MCVE, better tagging probably and the actually accepted solution is buried in comments. Definitely not useful for future research.
 

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