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2:00 PM
@Tunaki Isn't no deleted content in the SEDE?
 
Uh... any ideas for this suggested tag wiki edit?
 
@NathanOliver I'm not sure, there is a "deleted" column but I think not all of them are there.
 
hmm. I thought deleted post didn't show up. That would be a hole in the rep system if it did.
 
@ryanyuyu Or this one
 
@ryanyuyu they should be rejected, there was no Meta discussion yet
 
2:02 PM
Are those for the same tag wiki?
 
wiki and excerpt yes
 
Ah. Any advice on the reject reason? I'm not used to having 5k rep (and I might not have it after the Docs rep recalc)
 
I used "causes harm", with "self-proclaimed tag substitution referencing a meta post with no discussion"
 
Ah custom reason. Makes sense.
 
Yep
Both rejected now.
 
2:05 PM
ok thanks for advice
 
JAL
Hi all o/
I asked a question on meta.SE that someone thinks is a dupe here. Do you guys agree? cc Rene, etc.
 
Hi JAL. Note we do not do meta.se moderation.
 
JAL
I understand, I'm not asking for cv-pls, just want to discuss it
 
I think he's just asking for opinions
 
JAL
If it's off topic I will trash it
 
2:08 PM
@JAL Dupe imo.
 
It's a dupe in my opinion as well
And they both should be tagged feature-request, not bug, too
 
JAL
Ok, I will close my question and try to edit the dupe target. Thanks all
 
@TylerH It sort of is a bug though, it's an error message showing up where instead there should be a notification. o:
 
@MadaraUchiha: I think Sanual has ill intentions. We should probably keep an eye on him
 
@Compass I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
2:13 PM
@Tunaki I'm not good with SQL. Could you do that? :D
 
@Seth an error message is a notification
 
@TylerH Aw come on, don't disrupt my peaceful dreaming like that
 
wow, some good specific question meta drama
 
@Compass You've reviewed 40 posts today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 8 minutes and 2 seconds, averaging to a review every 12 seconds.
 
splat
 
2:18 PM
@Braiam Currently discussing the semantics of plagiarism :P
 
splat? Is that the new plop?
 
orly?
 
@gunr2171 He came into the room a little too fast.
 
Enjoy. Literally dozens of plagiarism Q&A
 
@Cerbrus "copying content without applying the proper attribution" isn't it?
 
2:20 PM
@Cerbrus Do we need to start writing up speed limits in the FAQ?
 
@Braiam He's arguing that because some other answer used the same links as he did, and described something similar, that it's plagiarism.
 
I know I spend at least an hour writing a two lines of a good tag excerpt
@Cerbrus err... what
 
I'd question whether using the same links is plagiarism alone
if two articles cite the exact same sources, that doesn't mean plagiarism, especially in a field where certain resources bubble to the top
 
@Rizier123 will try something
 
@Compass Those links are the answer to the (link req) question
 
2:23 PM
i think i need context then <.<
this on meta?
 
If I post a question but as the time progresses I understand my problem and realize that my original question is not what I wanted to ask should I flag my first question for deletion?(it already has an answer)
 
@JustDoIt no
 
it has an aswer addressing the old question
ask a new one
 
@JustDoIt depends
 
2:25 PM
You should not edit a question in such a way that it invalidates an existing answer
that includes deleting the question
 
@JustDoIt No, not if such a question as-is is helpful for future readers
 
@TylerH you can, if the question was unclear to being with
 
If the question / answer are of no use/spam/advertising/etc., however, there are exceptions
 
or improperly scoped
 
MM so do I just ignore the old question and move on?
Not giving closure to the question seems awkward
 
2:26 PM
if its a reasonable question yes
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis 20k :-(
 
be it accept an answer or asking for deletion
 
@Rizier123 Look at that: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/520670. What would you like more?
 
@JustDoIt don't just "accept" any answer without criteria
 
JAL
So teams is going away? Sad, I like my little SOCVR badge on my profile
 
2:26 PM
it can confuse future readers
 
I mean, if you want, we can look at the question. If the answer doesnt answer your question dont accept it
 
@JustDoIt yes, just move on, or post a self-answer that mentions your enlightenment
@JAL same
 
@TylerH Gotta start answering more duplicates!
 
no obligation to mark solved any question you own if its not solved.
 
Like the pure concept of the question is right I just think I didnt explain myself correctly mostly cause I didnt know what I was looking for
Multiple periods as in "Jan-June 2014, Jan-June 2015, Jan-June 2016"? — Ann L. 18 hours ago
 
2:28 PM
@JAL One month & I would have had that little SOCVR badge too :(
 
@JAL Yep. It's now every person (or spearrell) for themselves
 
well I guess the Github org is the next best thing
 
but as i was looking through the old versions of the report I understood what I wanted and how i wanted to do it but subqueries are not helping since i cant group by
 
You can self-answer if your approach is incorrect, I guess?
 
@JustDoIt did someone answer the question?
 
2:30 PM
Cause I asked the question based on the old method, when the query was something I wrote myself
yes @drew
 
can we have the question?
 
0
Q: Write a query that will compare its results to the same results but with another date as reference

Just Do ItI have a query that compares the final balance of a month with the final balance of the same month but from the year before. The query works just fine, the issue is when I want to check against more than 2 years before, a query was made by my predecessor but this query takes too much time to prin...

 
I can't conceptualize the issue very well without the actual issue <.<
 
And remember, Accepting doesn't mean it's the best answer, it just means that it worked for the person who asked.
 
2:31 PM
so a somewhat liberal interpretation of that means if the answer helped you solve your problem, it's totally fair to mark it accepted
 
OK, so you were trying to optimize a query
and a user provided options that you didnt pick
you should provide your query optimization strategy and accept your own if you solved the issue, IMO
 
if they did a good job or showed effort you appreciated, I would upvote, Accept, thank them, say you realized there were other things you didn't think of, and might post another question
and move on
 
You can also accept their answer and provide your own as an alternative if you think their answer is more robust
 
well I didnt optimize the original query since personally is useless(lots of temp tables) but i found out how to get the information i want from a simple query @compass
 
i.e. more universal.
 
2:33 PM
the issue here is now get that same information for other months, simultaneously
 
ok, so the solution is "you abandoned the code" and rewrote from scratch rather than optimized
that is a new question for you to ask, the old question you can mark as solved if you think the answerer's advice would have helped you solve it had you not decided to kill the query
 
the query i posted is mine if i posted the original code the question wouldve been closed just of cause how much code it is
 
either way, dont delete your question, if you have a new question, just ask a new one
 
okay
thanks
 
deletions should only be done on actual literal poop
 
2:35 PM
roger 07
 
Like this ancient question: `stackoverflow.com/questions/23837885/…
 
@JustDoIt look at my profile page and the first link for "Describe all Tables" if you want. Granted it is a self-answer. But the answer is a 500 line 2 stored proc answer. No one closed it.
 
one of the most obscure questions for me, and I answered it myself. almost no one will encounter it ever again because most people aren't poops who lock PDFs
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I saw that one. I hate those. I failed to find a more general dupe...
 
it has to be pretty poopy for it to be deleted.
 
2:38 PM
And if you need help with a msft CTE I can ping someone for you on LinkedIn
 
i ask surprisingly few questions on StackOverflow. Hrmmm.
 
@Tunaki Canonical of operator precedence? Is that too general?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I don't know. Maybe there could be one?
@NathanOliver same OP
 
Do any of you guys have answers that you are real proud of AND DON'T market them to peer similar questions (that show up on their page as Links) ?
 
oh i have one
 
2:42 PM
sure
 
@Tunaki meh. Its been 22 minutes. thats rude in my book.
 
it was fun digging into java src libraries
we know we shouldn't do it, but this provided the why
 
@Compass now look at the Q&A (not my question and I have an Answer) Here ... then look at the right column for Links. I linked it and marketed it a few days ago
Then compare that to yours (not marketed)
Mine is marketed to over a dozen peer questions (the top viewed pretty much)
 
@JustDoIt for what is worth, the question and answer with more score of mine is deleted, because I can't reproduce it.... stackoverflow.com/q/15469763/792066
 
2:46 PM
I don't quite follow
 
@Compass do you know what the Linked or linked means on question pages?
maybe it is new functionality, I am sure @Braiam would know before me
 
i see the linked thing
 
context?
 
I know for mine it is tag-related
but are you actually linked to all of those?
or is that just "fancy-related"
 
Look at this question here @Compass and see my comment
I plastered that on over a dozen
Social Marketing for Related Questions
Your Gregorian could be sitting at +30
 
2:50 PM
I don't like doing that.
 
If it is a better answer and helps people I see no problem with it
 
if i were here for updoots, I'd be on Docs :V
I see how it helps though, I could potentially get java badge faster
 
I have very long answers to very interesting questions with very few views (blame the tags). Kinda proud, but won't link it to remotely related Q.
 
It's an interesting concept but I'd only think its appropriate for like, REALLY GOOD questions
for example the predictive path question that already has 10K updoots
 
I am not writing another one of my Junction Tables answers if I can just post a link in a new comment on New questions that fly in. If someone calls that slimey go for it. At least I am not posting New Answers
 
2:52 PM
@NathanOliver Can you ask him why? :o
 
if the same answer applies isnt it just a dupe?
 
@Seth It was from me earlier. The OP bumped his own post and I k'ed it
 
I try to dupe close. Often the question has other facets to it that make it not a dupe closure
 
@NathanOliver Ahh I see :)
 
Rather, a friendly comment to hey check this out
 
2:54 PM
Same answer applies != dupe
Same question == dupe
 
depends on the type of question <.<
 
@Seth no
both are dupe
 
@TylerH Nope o.O
 
well assume questions are 3-1 vs 1+1
both have answer 2
 
if the answer solves your problem, then mark it as a dupe because that's the point
they act as signposts to the answer
 
2:55 PM
it may be a conceptual question that uses the same solution
like, for example, I have a question on how to get stacksize
another person may have a question on how to get headless
both have the same answer, but different questions entirely
 
not every nullpointerexception question is the same but literally all of them get closed as a dupe of the canonical
 
I am not VonC. I don't post answers I post links. No offense VonC. You know I love ya
 
because the answer's the same
 
not all questions with the same answer are dupes
NPE questions, maybe
 
@TylerH In essence they are the same if they get closed as dupe.
 
2:56 PM
@Compass Sure, not all rectangles are squares
 
Because the problem is a nullpointer.
 
but if they are both squares then they should both be labeled as such
 
Nullpointer-questions caused by a NPE inside OPs code get dupe-closed.
 
I could really use a lobster roll
 
Nullpointer-questions caused by a NPE inside some library do not get dupe-closed.
 
2:56 PM
Yep
 
@Seth This is simply established meta stance I'm telling you, not just my opinion
If two questions of the same type are asking two different things that're more or less caused by the same problem, and there's an answer on one of them that solves both, then it's a duplicate, pure and simple
 
The only well established scenario to me is SO Whimsy. People whimsically do whatever they want.
Tyler, it doesn't even need to have an Answer to close as a dupe
 
@TylerH That's not the established meta stance.. ô.o
 
@Drew right, but I'm talking about when it does
@Seth it is, because I recall seeing answers on meta discussion about it by Shog, et al describing it
If you were to bring it up today then the meta community could well come to a different decision
but that was the consensus last time it was broached
Obviously if I'm asking what you ate for dinner and you're asking what the fruit of an orange grove is, and the answer to both questions is "an orange", those aren't duplicate questions because they're two different categories of questions
So some intuition is assumed; it's not literally all questions with the same answer
 
I like oranges
 
3:03 PM
You're awesome
So do I
 
lobster roll or shrimp tacos
 
I like apples.
 
I like peaches.
 
@Tunaki I think the real question should be, do you like tuna?
 
I do like tuna. Tuna steak is awesome.
 
3:05 PM
Don't forget: SO put Linked on the Right column for a reason
 
Literally just joined the team yesterday. Now, I find they're unshipping them. FML
 
@FrankerZ way to go
 
@FrankerZ Yep, FYL :/
 
You're probably the reason why they're unshipping them
This is why we can't have nice things -_-
 
3:06 PM
@TylerH Nope, they don't want me to join the SOCVR-team ._.
 
maybe the mahi mahi :V
 
@Seth (that was a continuation of my response to Franker)
 
@TylerH I know ;o
But I thought I'd jump in c:
 
stackoverflow.com/posts/38677222/revisions Grammar weeps from its perch on high
 
"Replaced semi colons with dashes because semi colons distract programmers - well at least this one. Added more details and adjectives to add to ambiance."
I'd roll it back IMO
 
3:15 PM
@MadaraUchiha: Response incoming: "Then "Google it" is an answer as well."
 
Actually, nvm
That's the OP that changed it back
I'd let him know he's ---a monster---using wrong grammar
And fail
 
> grammer
 
Why didn't that strikethrough? Test
I found a bug
 
@TylerH programmer grammer is not the same as English grammar.
 
3:18 PM
@FrankerZ you need a space after the dashes
for the close
 
sorry for the pings
 
add a space between --- and using
This seems like a 10k+ world problem. — Laurel Jul 11 at 17:51
Heh
 
So dumb
 
@Cerbrus can you join me in Campaigns room for a second
 
Where?
 
3:27 PM
I'm going to punch a certain wizard meta.stackoverflow.com/q/327730/792066
 
@Braiam brb grabbing popcorn
 
I love how on that meta a couple votes counts as as enough data to see how well the change is perceived but it took thousands of votes over many answers to stop the licensing change
 
@NathanOliver Wait, what?
 
@NathanOliver probably because the licensing change was pushed from the top down as an organization-wide effort and this was just one dev implementing a simple bug fix
 
What license change stopped?
 
3:32 PM
@Seth Change from CC to MIT
 
@NathanOliver Oh nice! Completely missed it being stopped!
 
@Seth originally Stack Overflow was going to change from CC to MIT but there was outrage on a massive scale and so they decided to postpone it
 
It is on indefinite hiatus right now.
 
It would have gone into effect what... in March?
 
@TylerH Yeah
 
3:34 PM
@TylerH Good to hear that :)
 
IIRC they went ahead with a much smaller change
 
What did they change? ô.o
It's funny how they said "the feedback was positive" >,<
 
"No no NOOOOOO" <- That ain't positive.
 
@Seth detractors are always louder than supporters. I believe they measured it purely on the number of votes the initial proposal received
which included hundreds of upvotes along with hundreds of downvotes
 
3:37 PM
@TylerH But you could have instead looked at the content & the votes on the answers :/
Or atleast take them into consideration.
 
So while it did receive a lot of positive feedback, it technically received more negative feedback than positive feedback :-P
 
Saying "All good in da hood" whilst the top voted answer screams "NOOOOOO" isn't right ô.ô
Good thing it's postphoned for now
 
3:52 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis I really don't know. The regex on the linked question is chinese to me...
 
Plug it into regex101.com
 
JAL
@TylerH finally have enough rep on meta.se to downvote that!
 
And square brackets have different opening / closing characters...
 
@JAL so you start at the posts from 2008 and work your way to more recent posts, down voting on your trip through history?
 
JAL
yes
 
3:58 PM
enjoy ...
 
JAL
oh you know i will
 
@rene (related to the mysql events thing from a few days ago) ... Do Docs topic requests need a certain Votes count to get thru?
 
@tunaki this instead?
 
@Drew what do you mean? If a topic is created and the content is out in the wild you get rep if an example gets upvoted.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I finally have a working regex: ,(?![^\\[\\]]*\\])(?![^()]*\\)).
@SotiriosDelimanolis Worked from stackoverflow.com/questions/3428618/…
 
4:04 PM
before that @rene . What does it take to go live. (Noting that you made events go live, maybe because you hit the necessary upvote count or some other Trick)
you made a stub, I filled it in
 
blargh all that regexes...
 
Doesn't it need 5 supports with 1 score and 15? rep?
 
Is everybody on lunch?
 
I'm not
 
Looks like a mod got to it
 
4:12 PM
Spam flags killed it
 
News to me, at least - "Retract Flag" is live on SO.: i.sstatic.net/mb5Fg.png
 
Yeah they said it should be live in like a week and that was a week ago.
 
Wish I had that a week ago
 
@Drew I think I only hit create topic on the request topic
 
@PaulRoub Woot!
That is pefect!
 
4:20 PM
Hiya, good evening everyone ...
 
@FrankerZ Central Time for me, so lunch in about 40 minutes.
 
Same here
 
@πάνταῥεῖ grumble grumble morning
 
@ryanyuyu Yet or already? :)
 
4:23 PM
kinda an off-site resource? maybe?
@πάνταῥεῖ it's still morning here.
i18n is hard
Ha. I knew it was a resource request after all.
 
@ryanyuyu What? Where? I see nothing(well I do but shh)
 
afk
 
4:36 PM
@rene yeah Create Topic there was some glitch. Took 10 minutes to work thru in the Docs chat room. Thx.
at least a glitch for me
 
glitches happen, it seems a human capability
 
4:57 PM
@rene here's a scary through for you: imagine that the universe was created by humans
> It is too late to edit this message
:(
 
@Braiam Just wait 'til @Sam finishes learning F# and builds the One True Bot.
 
@Braiam some belief it started with a big bang. As it turns out we are the result of a Mythbusters experiment gone wrong ...
 
Sam
@Kyll :D
 
@rene or right, depends of what was the desired result
 
Yeah, let's leave it to others to call Busted or Plausible ...
 
5:05 PM
General question to the room. I'm tired of seeing questions pop to the front of my feed with this user answering the exact same thing. stackoverflow.com/a/38749703/2308683
What's the policy on duplicating answers all over?
 
Well
It's frowned upon quite a lot.
If two questions are solved by the same answer, they're duplicates
 
@cricket_007 well, restarting Windows can solve many issues... which leaves you with a "wtf" moment
@Kyll nope
 
@Braiam Hold on, I have a Meta about that
 
I understand "Turning off and back on" fixes things, but that should be a comment of "did you try" rather than an answer
 
@Kyll no need: are 3-2 and 5-4 duplicated questions?
 
5:07 PM
@Braiam meta.stackoverflow.com/q/297422/4174897 And yes, for any reader is looking for "1" anyway, no need to duplicate that knowledge across SO
@cricket_007 Pretty sure it would be better as a comment yeah. I guess your best bet is to vote according to your PoV, and comment if you notice a repeated pattern. If the suer persists in posting LQ answers you can mod-flag or bring the issue on MSO, although that last option is bad due to the sheep Meta effect
 
@Kyll "same root cause"
 
@Braiam You are right though, it's a highly debated thing. See the footnotes on my question.
 
@cricket_007 Well, they found their golden hammer :) ...
 
@Cerbrus Well, after he calmed down, he became quite reasonable.
I need to head out now
Feel free to read the transcript and tell me what you think.
 
See ya Madara
@Rizier123 You mean Too BROAD
 
5:17 PM
@Kyll I mean TOOOOO BROAD
 
@Rizier123 TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
5:31 PM
@Braiam Meh, it's about a programming tool (a compiler) so I think it's on-topic.
 
@JAL congrats, now you'll lose it as soon as you downvote it :-P
 
JAL
lol
is self-vandalism fp?
 
@JAL Seems to be solved already.
 
JAL
yeah i just rolled the question back
 
@JAL It's tp-
 
5:36 PM
@JAL Sure. Should I trigger k for such case?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ No, k is tpu-
What you want it tp- (not blacklisting the user)
 
JAL
I'll let you guys handle the audit of the smokey logs
 
@Kyll Okily Dokily, next time I know :)
 
:D
@πάνταῥεῖ Oh, also note that you should not engage in a rollback war but immediately mod-flag if OP tries to deface again
 
@Kyll Of course I'm experienced enough here to avoid rollback wars :P ...
 
5:42 PM
I expected so, but it's still useful a warning to have in the transcript =p
 
@queen Not so sure. Let's wait for OP's reaction.
 
eric, are you responding to queen as if it is a person?
because I don't believe queen is smart enough to respond to that
 
@Compass Are you doubting @Petter's programming?
 
@Compass she's mute in this room, but I know she listens to me
 
welp
dives into a corner
 
5:55 PM
lol
 
is that spam?
 
@Compass She's my personal darling, and we're having a hot affair :D ...
^Bsss Bssss
@Compass Nope, removed my command
 

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