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1:00 PM
was this rude?
 
@Tunaki I think thats NAA
 
really?
 
@TimCastelijns nope, why do you ask?
 
@Tunaki Meh
 
@PetterFriberg I was wondering if it was one of the moments where I get carried away and be not so nice (it was a joke btw)
 
1:01 PM
Its a little on the rude side ... but a nuke, idk
@Tunaki Its also a semi-established user
 
@TimCastelijns aah if joke, at the least its to chatty and maybe also not constructive
 
Yeah, it doesn't matter here for me.
 
Do we really want to nuke 100 rep of his 300 for that?
 
Rude/Abusive?
 
@PetterFriberg but the question is so silly.. silly questions get silly comments? :D
 
1:03 PM
That seems borderline
 
@FrankerZ unregistred user, we consider it abuse
 
hence they are only trolling
 
@FrankerZ Sometimes it seems like they use a test post with nothing but noise before going on and doing other things
 
@Tunaki another one?
 
I would nuke all of that.
 
I would delete all of that
but not nuke it with a red flag
 
raise a mod flag : )
 
@Magisch Gone
 
1:06 PM
sure
 
out of del votes...
 
WHAT DO WE DO NOW?
Tunaki is out of votes!
 
@Tunaki the brotherhood pitched in
 
@Tunaki I blame GoDaddy
 
1:07 PM
@Tunaki You've used 30 by now? Yowsers...
 
elusive secret mod-puppy coming through
 
@JonClements Blame godaddy...
 
Hey jon
 
:32264099 You don't get reputation for closing/deleting a question :P
 
morning!
 
1:08 PM
@Rizier123 true that
 
the rude flag was helpful on that answer btw
 
@Tunaki The user did not lose 100 rep afaik, so it was probably dismissed as helpful
 
It's pretty much spam, and I voted as such
 
Content plagged from accepted answer without formatting, spam link
Nuke away
 
1:10 PM
yup
 
Aloha Gunr
 
@FrankerZ I'm not convinced it was spam. More LQP IMO
 
It's beyond low quality
 
I went VLQ on that one yeah.
 
His site literally screams plagiarism
 
1:15 PM
@FrankerZ Wait for mod, I have a hard time flagging spam to.
 
morning
 
Aloha
 
@FrankerZ Yep. And it's deletion worthy, no doubt. But It also screams "doesn't know the rules". Spam would be promoting a completely irrelevant site
 
Meh: I'd rather eat the declined flag. That site is nothing but plagiarism, and in my eyes it's spam
 
Remember, he gets a -100 strike for spam. That's for the irredeemable. I have some hope the guy was trying to be helpful
 
1:17 PM
@PetterFriberg feeling Hawaiian today?
 
meeh its my new salute : )... can't steal Gunr morning to much
 
woot friday
 
mele kalikimaka
 
and tomorrow is Boston Comic Con!
@PetterFriberg nooo!!!
 
yay
(I'm nowhere near Boston)
 
1:18 PM
morning is copyright me, plop however is public domain
 
...write?
 
Can't stop the plop
 
too early in the morning for this
 
Its @Kyll unz unz unz unz
 
right?
 
1:19 PM
@gunr don't ya have a meeting?
 
during the gunr boot up period, the "spelling and grammar" service has a delayed start time of 3 hours
 
@Braiam he got a new job. No meetings ever. Although they did give him a desk in the basement and a red Swingline stapler
 
^ one of those is true
 
@gunr2171 what about the "friday joke" service?
 
@gunr2171 No stapler at the new job?
 
1:20 PM
cool, you got a desk in a basement!
 
I don't say jokes
@ryanyuyu They gave me a whole box of replacement staples, but no stapler
 
that's funny
Is it bad that I'm already thinking about lunch?
 
but the good news is that overall there are less meetings here than my last job
 
yay
 
and the meetings that we do have have a purpose
rather than just one person rambling for 2.5 hours
 
1:23 PM
yay
 
@Tunaki Yeah, lets keep SOCVFinder out for now...
 
the last comment I got in meta is so ridiculous...
 
@PetterFriberg Yes.
 
@PetterFriberg I answered that
 
1:27 PM
1 message moved to Trash can
@GuilhermeNascimento Hello, please read our FAQ socvr.org
 
@Tunaki I have seen several "random" conversations here, I did not think there were mandatory rules.
 
How long before I can put a bounty on a question?
 
@DavidG 48 hours after creation
 
@Braiam Nice one, thanks. Colleague has asked something and it would be handy to get it answered, thought I'd push it along.
Unless anyone here fancies trying to figure out 3DES encryption in C#? :)
 
JAL
hi all o/
 
1:37 PM
o/
 
JAL
@Yam I would vote to reopen that
thoughts anyone else?
 
yo jal
reading
java, never mind
 
JAL
hey
haha
seems to have an mcve now at least
 
1:56 PM
Does anyone know why my flag on this answer is disputed? This answer doesn't make any sense !
 
JAL
@techspider I wouldn't flag that, looks like an attempt at an answer
flags shouldn't be used for wrong answers
 
@techspider what did you flag it for?
 
JAL
just for posts that are not an answer (clarification requests, thanks, etc)
 
@JAL then is this not an attempt to answer the question? In fact, it is a very good solution to handle it.
@intboolstring VLQ
 
JAL
@techspider There's a fine line, but the reviewers probably thought that would have been better suited as a comment, not as an answer.
 
1:59 PM
@techspider You flagged it as VLQ - which bumped it into the queue, 3 reviewers thought it looked okay - so your flag was disputed automatically
 
@JAL I'm very confused because I often stumble upon these tests ; when I flag, it gets disputed, when I don't flag, i fail test :(
 
The issue is that that SQL answer couldn't really have been a comment.
 
JAL
@techspider Audits are there to make you slow down and think. There's no harm in skipping, or clicking into the question to get more context
 
I lightly edited the post
at least it's a code block now
 
@techspider For me that is a bad audit... it is an attempt to answer..
 
2:03 PM
This answer is not an answer because someone previously thought it was not an answer, and hence the test picked it up? I really want to skip reviewing at all; it doesn't make sense to me having different behaviour of audits and different behavior from reviewers :(
@gunr2171 saw that; it looks good noww
 
@PetterFriberg It was negatively voted and deleted from review - that's what make it possible for audit :)
 
Yeah but according to me they are wrong : )...
 
JAL
The trouble with audits is that they are automatically chosen from a pool for deleted answers as Jon said. There are bounty to be some bad ones. If you feel strongly you can post on meta, but I would just cut my losses and move on...
 
My favorite on this issue: (my one-box for today)
144
Q: You're doing it wrong: A plea for sanity in the Low Quality Posts queue

undoIf you're reviewing low quality posts, I'd like you to read this. All of it. Not skim it, not just vote up/down with everyone else. In exchange, I'll keep it short. Or if you are too busy, here you go: TL;DR: Review carefully. Don't delete everything. Deletion is for things that actually aren...

 
@techspider remember, you said "no action needed" which means "this post is fine as is". to me, that's a pretty low quality post, factually correct or not. We need to send a signal to the author to inform them (a downvote) or a flag to say that it's very low quality.
 
2:06 PM
@gunr2171 however, i don't recollect it to be a valid answer (with incorrect syntaxes and no explanation)
 
@techspider Based on this thread, it falls into the category of "Wrong Answer". But it actually is an attempt at answering. I'd probably say it looks OK too. If it's wrong, downvote and comment
 
validity is just one portion of a good quality post
 
@PetterFriberg Yup... but what I'm saying is - if people review incorrectly, their actions can potentially feed back to the audit system... etc...
 
@JonClements that's true
@gunr2171 I was initially inclined to flag but my prior experience thought me to double-think and leave it in the system as it is an attempt to answer :)
 
It always makes me chuckle when someone does a review then gets it back later as an audit, fails it, and then raises it on meta disputing the audit... :p
3
 
2:08 PM
remember, you're not judging NAA's, your judging VLQ's
 
@JAL I agree with you; moving on :)
 
a post that attempts to answer or does answer the question can still be VLQ if it tries hard enough
 
it can be kittens!
@JonClements it had two 20k users vote to delete, didn't it
 
@Braiam it did...
 
@gunr2171 "Yes, I know the queue is named "low quality posts". Don't get hung up on that — you do not have to delete all the low quality things.", in this case for me it should not be deleted by que (ok deleted by >10k user, ok downvote)
 
2:12 PM
yeah, well, don't get me started on the "comments to leave for author", which all of them are NAA reasons...
 
anyway the audit was not a good one, since it should not be edge cases...
 
and lets not forget the good old "not even a partial answer to the actual question"
mm... chat went down for anyone?
 
2:30 PM
 
> Pictured: the @StackOverflow Documentation launch twitter.com/dog_rates/status/761672994376806400 … -- ⣗⡲⡯⠝ at 8:55 AM - 12 Aug 2016
6
 
Just wait for it to be out of beta
 
There were some smart enough to get the hell out of it
 
2:45 PM
Hiya!
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 it's Saturday here
 
stop being a time traveler then
 
user3956566
:)
 
also, go to bed, it's 1 in the morning
 
:D
 
user3956566
2:53 PM
just woke up from a long sleep and am wide awake so will work ;)
 
who wakes up at 1 in the morning? I for one enjoy sleeping
still doing that asp.net thing?
 
user3956566
meh someone who needs to finish their code :/
 
user3956566
yep it's going really well
 
nice
 
user3956566
improved with ajax
 
2:54 PM
and hopefully refactored to the correct locations
 
user3956566
we just did a nice wordpress php site re-write with web app and push notifications
 
user3956566
yep
 
with nice decoupled code, easily testable
 
user3956566
just trying to optimise the maps which have 100,000 markers
 
unit test coverage is more than 90%
 
2:55 PM
@Tunaki I'm doing that..
 
you know what's a fun time, attempting to migrate Team Foundation Server Version Control to git.
and the files inside ONE branch in TFS is 3.6gb
 
attempting to migrate from any VCS to another one is always fun....
 
lol, I will need to move away from the usual checkin-out phase to branching with TFS
 
@Tunaki Who needs a commit history anyway? :)
 
Fun Times Ahead! (TM)
 
2:58 PM
exactly!
 
user3956566
nothing like inheriting code with no history
 
user3956566
My god I'm handsome!
 
but the history is the commented code!
:/
 
and by "commented code" you mean "code that was commented out"
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 exactly!
 
user3956566
3:01 PM
I work with someone who just hates comments
 
user3956566
I think some commenting is useful
 
-1 too many big words, didn't follow
 
@GregP that's weird.
 
@gunr2171 ah yes
blame English and its silly rules
 
user3956566
3:04 PM
@AshishAhujaツ not really it's a coding preference a lot of people what it all to be self explanatory with meaningful naming. I agree with meaningful naming, sometimes some explanation is handy, particularly when you're in progress of building a feature. what if the developer gets run over by a bus?
 
If their code is so bad you can't read it maybe that's for the better
 
@gunr2171 I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@GregP Ran over by a service bus ?:y
 
Now, comments that explain why the code does what it does I'm fine with. It's the ones the explain how I dislike
 
user3956566
;)
 
3:06 PM
@GregP I agree that you don't have to comment each and every line. But commenting out non-obvious stuff is very important especially when there is more than 1 person on a project.
 
//adds one to the session
session += 1;
bah formatting
 
//it puts the number in the variable or it gets the linter again
var i = 1
 
@gunr2171 I would kill the person that wrote that.
 
//Saves data to database
SaveToDatabase();
 
  //Does nothing
  a = a;
 
3:08 PM
//increments counter
i--;
ok I'll stop
But I see a lot of comments that are just plain wrong, because people tend to ignore them when they change code
 
user3956566
I swear this is one of the funniest things I've seen pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CpGyWmNWEAA6chP.mp4
 
return 0; // return
 
@GregP (rofl)
 
Sam
@GregP You should visit reddit more often
 
done with 12 [godaddy] items in the queue
 
user3956566
3:14 PM
@Sam I've never been there, that was posted in here
 
user3956566
> //When I wrote this, only God and I understood what I was doing
//Now, God only knows
 
> Exception up = new Exception("Something is really wrong.");
throw up; //ha ha
 
// I am not responsible of this code.
// They made me write it, against my will.
 
3:23 PM
I reached 2k mark and came to know that I no more get points for editing posts!! I have read meta on this... I'm very sad now because I can only earn rep by answering questions!! How did you all get over with this when you crossed 2k? is a beer enough? :(
 
by "answering questions" @techspider
 
^ yep
 
There's also only 1k rep for editing if I remember correctly.
 
also yep
 
@Louis what happens to the earned rep when this question is deleted? I came across many such but never flagged
 
3:25 PM
@GregP It was staged
 
Related, why do I get so many upvotes on old answers I don't really care about and the ones I'm actually proud of rarely get anything? Really bugs me sometimes.
 
if a post is deleted, the rep is returned to the system for anything that was earned for it. Essentially, it didn't exist in the first place. So if you make a suggested edit, you earn rep from it, and the post is deleted, there goes your 2 rep.
 
@DavidG Because every generation consistently makes the same mistakes; it takes time until that question becomes old; At least you get upvotes on old question, not sure when my questions get that too ;)
 
@techspider From the point of view of rep, it will be as if the question never existed.
 
@gunr2171 ahhh, that makes me so sad; I need to protect all my edits to keep my rep, is there a safe-locker? :(
 
3:28 PM
easy: don't suggest-edit posts that are going to be deleted (because they are really low quality)
 
@gunr2171 it could be on my answers too :(
 
don't answer questions that are going to be closed/deleted
3
 
^^ this
 
^
dammit
 
"softball" questions are easy to answer, but you run the chance of having it go away just as fast
 
3:30 PM
@gunr2171 Oh God!! Give me some vision!! it is getting difficult for kids to grow ;)
 
aight
I'm off, have a nice weekend folks! \o
 
there are a lot of questions posted every single day. I'm sure you can find something of quality.
cya!
 
@kayess o/
 
Did you guys know that Shog is a chef
 
@TylerH that's new to me
 
3:38 PM
@techspider Just because a question has an accepted answer doesn't mean you can't write a better one. If it gets traffic you'll get upvotes for it over time. If it's a crap question you won't though.
It's a game of luck. Sometimes the google gods decide to give a question 100k views, sometimes none
A not very good example but the only one that came to mind. The accepted answer was terrible. I made another one. It probably won't help the OP since they've already "solved" their problem but it helped two other people. I'm sure there are tons of other examples around.
 
user3956566
@TylerH that avatar makes him look like a murderer, not a chef
 
@GregP the best chefs cook with a variety of ingredients...
 
@ivarni oh yeah
 
@techspider want to help out with [godaddy]?
 
@gunr2171 what is [godaddy]?
I know it is a web hosting company but how come it is on SO ;)
 
3:51 PM
we are trying to remove the tag from the site: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/331817/…
 
we're buying the company
 
that too
 
Pokemon Godaddy
the new app
 
so if you want, spend some of your close flags on those posts. I can tell you an easy list to work on
 
> the individual sections under "Examples" are examples;
Always depend on Marc for clarity X-D
aww man he edited it
 
3:53 PM
@gunr2171 ok let me fire my ammo at it... I'll be out of SO in 15 min and come back after a couple of hours
 
sure, ping me in the burn room when you want to get started
 
@gunr2171 okayyy
@FrankerZ Do you want to make this die in peace and beautiful? ;)
 
4:09 PM
should be another 30-40 godaddy questions seeded for you guys later
afk lunch
 
afk lunching gunr
 
Sam
afk launching kyll
 
Night o/!
 
Sam
Cya
 
4:44 PM
Hiya all
 
Sam
Hiya
 
@BoltClock: How to spell it isn't a programming question. — Bill the Lizard Apr 20 '11 at 11:03
 
Aloha..
 
ha!
 
@PetterFriberg Hawaiian mode today? ;)
 
4:58 PM
from today, not only today : ), I have deployed new version of queen (for the burnation), you should be added to ping when in SOCVFinder room...
 
THX for adding me to the heat detector BTW. I've seen your notification this morning.
 
Lets hope it works : )
 
hiya \o
 
5:08 PM
@Braiam He was a lizard. Clearly dogs can smell bad things better
 
I'm still convinced of a correlation between dogs and moderators
 
hey guys, is this change still on-going or rejected? stackoverflow.com/documentation/proposed/changes/83011
I can't make sense of the UI
 
@Tunaki It's rejected. Can see it on the right hand side
 
So I can reject single-handedly? Nice.
 
@Tunaki You have a silver in the tag so it treats you as trusted
 
5:15 PM
I'm trusted \o/
 
^^ whole thread out of controll
I mod flag whole post for now... if you like some flags your are welcome..
 
wth
flagged everything
 
@FirstStep Convert it to a link to avoid one-boxing please
@PetterFriberg Yeah, not enough flags for all that
 
@FirstStep No one boxes please!
 
5:23 PM
too late. Sorry
 
@Machavity then there is also the 5 s block...
well commuting home cya (Note: @πάνταῥεῖ you need to be in SOCVFinder room to get pinged ;)
 
user177800
@πάνταῥεῖ if these things are so bad why not disable them completely? most people have no idea they are creating them or how to not create them!
 
Why does nice question like this receive almost zero attention?
 
@Gothdo If you think it's not received enough attention that's what bounties are for
 
user177800
@Gothdo because 99.999999% of people using JavaScript just want to do what the other 99.999999% are doing which is writing plain vanilla JS like it was still 1998 and just want to know why this is not pointing to the correct thing and how to fix it because they won't understand the answer, they just want the code fixed so they can copy paste it.
 
5:33 PM
@Gothdo I don't think it needed attention atm lol OP answered his own Q
 
@JarrodRoberson Seems sometimes we have fun with XKCD comics or such. These might get through ;)
 
user177800
@πάνταῥεῖ it would probably help when there are complaints to explain how to NOT create them
 
@Gothdo signal to noise ratio in certain tags is just that bad
 
@Braiam What do you mean?
 
@Gothdo it was self answered from the beginning, that probably turns off a lot of potential answerers
but I wouldn't say 2 answers in 45 minutes is "almost zero attention"
 
5:42 PM
@TylerH One answer is from OP, and one is mine. If I hadn't answered it, there would be "zero attention".
Also, there were no votes on the question, beside mine.
 
@Gothdo since people can see from the questions list whether a question has an answer already, the fact that it always had an answer since its inception would cause many would-be answerers to skip over it
and it missed out on the large swathe of me-too jQuery answerers because it was not tagged
 
@Gothdo certain questions can be buried in the amount of crap
 
... are buried ...
 
touché
 
also @Gothdo congrats on 10k reputation
 
5:52 PM
@TylerH Thanks.
 
ugh, another driveby downvote on one of my old questions -_-
 
remember kids, don't vote and drive. It's against the law.
 
but reviewing and driving is OK?
 
that's only a misdemeanor in some locations
 
@TylerH you can do as this guy meta.stackexchange.com/questions/219583/…
 
6:02 PM
@TylerH I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@closey help
 
This is a chat bot for the SO Close Vote Reviewers chat room, developed by the SOCVR developers. For more information see the github page. Reply with commands to see a list of commands.
@TylerH You've reviewed 40 posts today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 7 minutes and 9 seconds, averaging to a review every 10 seconds.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks gunr. I'll use the chat app to remind of this next I go driving
 
@Machavity Chat app? different than Stack Exchange?
 
6:17 PM
@FirstStep Was kidding. I think the SE app is the only offical one
 
@rene I try
 
I know, you failed
 
I dunno, I was pretty nice, comparatively...
at least I didn't write a passive aggressive rant :-)
 
:)
Let's move on
 
ok, but move it where?
 
6:24 PM
To the Lounge?
 
to the bottomless pit?
 
6:37 PM
@TylerH are you on godaddy?
 
@Tunaki what is SOCVFinder and its associated graveyard?
 
We don't move messages in SOCVFinder, only here
Consider it a satellite room - where Queen lives and rules.
 
Guys... I am in India...
@TheLostMind We need to meet! :)
 
@PraveenKumar Aloha!.. take a flight to Italy
 
6:44 PM
"'Reputation whore' badge - asked 5 times for acceptance by issuing a comment" lol meta.stackexchange.com/questions/14994/…
 
@rene I did a run through those Qs in the queue
 
@PetterFriberg Dei!
Italy no.. I am eating Idli.
 
please don't use the term "rep whore" anymore. It's been retired and goes against the be-nice policy of SE
 
@gunr2171 he just mentioned it.
 
@gunr2171 Can we also retire "robo-reviewer"? 90% of the time I see it used by people who just happen to disagree with other people's opinion, without any evidence that anything "robo" happened.
 
6:46 PM
meh
 
@Louis I feel so alone in the 10%
 
@TylerH Ok, I'll take some as well
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
I spent 40 today on them. Probably the same for the week to come.
 
I've also seeded about 40 or 50 questions in total. Will seed some more once the votes reset
@Louis unlikely because "robo" is not inherently slanderous like "whore" is
 
6:52 PM
If I have close votes after passing through [debian] and apt/dpkg
 
in fact robot is usually indicating a good trait of a character "they're efficient as a robot"/"they're a machine", etc.
 
@TylerH I'm sure we are using the "mindlessly repeating the same task" sense
 
I really don't care whether "robo" in some circumstances is supposed to be positive. When people say "robo-reviewer" , they are implying that the explanation for the purported "robo-reviewer"'s behavior is willful disregard for details. I don't dispute that such "robo-reviewers" do exist, but I find the term more and more used in cases where the more likely explanation is "someone looked at the details and disagreed with you".
In such cases, I find the use of the term "robo-reviewer" to be completely equivalent to saying "idiot".
 
well, that's your interpretation...
 
I can follow that reasoning ...
 

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