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11:01 AM
I missed durron
 
Yeep, Ashish told him he could not one-box and Yvette picked him by the ear for asking us to not vote... it was a success : )
he made a quick escape : )
 
T J
@PraveenKumar thanks
 
11:42 AM
@Undo when you have time check out this stackoverflow.com/questions/38066753/…, it was notified by SD, I have f it for now, but it surely is fishy, I have edited to remove email for now, but felt that you would be interested in this notification
If it is a spam its a nice one... : )
 
@TylerH @theB @PaulRoub: I think the OP here wasn't able to ping you guys: stackoverflow.com/questions/37768751/… He wants a reopen. I think it's now a tool rec rather than too broad
 
@Adriaan Thanks for the heads up.
 
11:57 AM
Ooo a cookie!
 
nop
 
boom
 
I've already flagged this beauty for closure. (Must flag due to bounty.) AFAIK the flag is just lost in the mass of flags that moderators handle, and piling flags has no additional effect. Has the room developed a way to get speedy action on cases like these?
 
You'll need to wait for a moderator to handle your flags... nothing we can do.
 
12:05 PM
I just concoted an evil and convoluted query of SQL : pastebin.com/pUkkxazB
 
@Tunaki Thanks. I just wanted to make sure. (Or be corrected if I was wrong about my AFAIK.) I'm already irked by regular off-topic questions but much more irked by off-topic questions that get bounties slapped on them.
 
@Adriaan that is a different link?
 
@Tunaki yes
I rolled back nonetheless
 
that might be spam after all
 
@Tunaki commented the site now
Site doesn't look very spammy; lots of Lorem Ipsum
 
12:10 PM
@Louis Sometimes a lurking mod will notice - I've refunded the bounty and closed the Q
 
Dem ninja's
 
@JonClements Thanks for taking care of it!
 
12:22 PM
IT IS STILL THERE
 
ITS FINALLY GONE :D
 
WHY ARE WE YELLING?
 
ESPRESSO
 
I LOVE LAMP!
 
DROP TABLE RENE;
 
12:23 PM
!!/coffee
 
@Adriaan brews coffee for @Adriaan
 
ta lad. I needed that after that horribly short night.
 
@rene SOCVR Accessability compliance. Type in all caps to help the deaf people find questions to close
 
@AshishAhujaツ plop
 
12:27 PM
@EricD could you give m a screenshot of the question, and if it has any answers those too? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/327101/…
 
@AshishAhujaツ sure: imgur.com/Sv3L8eO
 
@Yam words have changed but it's still off-topic
 
@Yam blæ no need to reopen
 
@TimCastelijns have you opted-in Yam?
 
12:31 PM
nop
 
@TimCastelijns shouldn't you?
 
The OP from Yam's link is ready to rage quit...
 
@Tim It'll ping you whenever it detects a post which need reopening and you had cv'ed or cv-pls'ed on it.
 
> recently you ban me from asking questions. and I can unban myself very hard
 
12:35 PM
shall we leave it? It is discussed enough by now. Move on
 
I'd nuke it. He's just using comments to rant at this point
 
I lack the energy today to talk sense into yet another person completly unburdened by having read the tour or help center pages
 
@Machavity I'm sure someone will in the end nuke it. At worst it is Community in 9 days
 
@AshishAhujaツ Im not interested in such pings. 99% of the cases are waste of time
 
^ waffle
 
12:40 PM
@TimCastelijns alright.
 
We're becoming SOCVBots
 
Its called efficiency @Magisch, no more fun, just click, judge, act and report.
 
But when everyone is a bot, who will throw Kyll or water rene here?
 
Skynet
 
So... we invented Skynet to stop people from posting bad questions?
 
12:46 PM
no to stop other bots to post bad questions no more people
 
Our work will be done when the bots can post helpful questions, answers and comments themselfes.
Then we can all just marvel at the technological wonders our bots produce all day
 
Then there will be bots arguing on meta, and bots feeding feedbacks to bots
 
morning!
 
morning!
 
morning!
 
12:50 PM
morning!
 
3 hours ago, by durron597
I'm only here for 5 minutes
drats, missed it
 
Plop @Ryan!
 
my company is hosting a burger cookout for lunch today
 
nice
better than my lunch, which is a meeting
 
@ryanyuyu lucky..
 
12:52 PM
yeah, and the weather isn't even too ridiculously hot today
only 95F ~ 35C
 
@Magisch I finished that notify userscript if you want it
 
@ryanyuyu are we all invited?
 
@rene hmm. It's supposed to be to celebrate all of our new hires across the company. I guess if you came here to work then yeah.
 
@ryanyuyu which company? I join today for some burgers, and quit tomorrow.. :D
 
that ^
Just be a bit creative ...
 
1:00 PM
@AshishAhujaツ haha. I don't think my bosses would appreciate that very much. And mailing burgers probably won't work too well.
 
@ryanyuyu I ain't gonna tell your boss that I will quit tomorrow. I'll join and surprise him by doing that...
 
@ryanyuyu Sending photo copies of burgers might work
 
user3956566
2002 helpful flags, what incredible number do you have @Tuna head?
 
@kayess I might do that.
 
JAL
morning all
 
1:02 PM
@Yvette 23,570 helpful flags
 
JAL
@Tunaki wow, what garbage
 
Plop @JAL
 
user3956566
@Tunaki such a poser! :D
 
:)
 
@Yvette :O
 
1:03 PM
@Yvette my flag count does not have a pattern :(
 
user3956566
do you like how I set you up for that Tuna head?
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ what does that mean?
 
JAL
@Tunaki I commented. Worth a flag? I'm tempted, but I'd be cutting it close since the bounty has been around for 2 days already. I could make the case that it is attracting crap
 
user3956566
Is it supposed to have a pattern? Or are you referring to the numbers?
 
2357 are the first 4 primes
 
user3956566
1:04 PM
@JAL hey my declined flags are also increasing! high five
 
JAL
@Yvette high five I'm at 94!
 
user3956566
@ryanyuyu so typical of him
 
JAL
@durron597 welcome back!
 
user3956566
@JAL hang on are we talking total?
 
@Yvette I was referring to the flag count. Like yours had a pattern, mine doesn't... That is why I am sad :(
 
JAL
1:05 PM
@Yvette 95 declined excluding comments, spam, and offensive flags
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ I thought you meant like for every 5 approved one is declined lmao
 
@JAL I dunno.
 
@Yvette that would be crazy...
 
user3956566
@JAL mine is 68 declined plus 9 +13 +3
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ that's what I thought! so I was wondering why you'd even suggest it :D
 
user3956566
1:07 PM
lmao
 
> plus 9 +13 +3
my brain ahhhh
plus/+, space/no space
 
user3956566
liek comments + spam + offensive
 
woman, please!
 
user3956566
LOLOL
 
I currently have 105 total declined flags... All because of one damn mistake... I had 30 before then I had an idea of flagging using a query and I got a mod angry and so many declined... I had already flagged many till I came to know we shouldn't :(
 
user3956566
1:08 PM
@AshishAhujaツ LOLOL too funny
 
lol raise a mod flag explaining an angry mod, so meta :pp
 
@JacobGray yes pls
 
user3956566
when I first joined SO I raised a mod flag complaining about a mod. I had no idea what a mod was LOL
 
@Yvette it's not funny! I was even flag banned for few days because of that...
 
user3956566
I flagged him as trolling me! LOL
 
user3956566
1:09 PM
@AshishAhujaツ o c'mon it is funny
 
I have 98,92% useful flags
 
@Magisch you can find it here github.com/Jacob-Gray/SE-Userscripts
 
@Yvette for you, not for me... If you one day suddenly get like 70 declined flags, you'll get a shock won't you?
 
@Magisch same
 
Then it makes you wonder if is there a mod queue about flags that represent mods :|
 
1:10 PM
exactly the same @TimCastelijns?
 
99,51% here
 
@JacobGray Any chance you could mod that to notify only of SD reports and in the room charcoal HQ?
 
such noobs
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ I'd write a meta post demanding the resignation, account suspension and imprisonment of the mod responsible, threatening them with my withdrawal of all SE activities if my demands were not met
 
99.3 for me
 
1:11 PM
@Yvette :D
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ hehehe :D
 
user3956566
No it would be a shock
 
@Magisch I'll make the filter in the next version, it will work fine in charcoal HQ
Just join it
 
user3956566
I did write a meta post when I got a load of declined flags, let me find it
 
@ryanyuyu nah haha I actually have 1.1% declined
 
1:12 PM
@Yvette Highly upvoted I guess ; )
 
user3956566
 
I notice that a significant number of [vnc] questions are off-topic and should be on Super User. However, there are no gold tag badges (afaikt) to give people close hammers. Is there a recommended way to add a warning to the tag perhaps?
 
user3956566
and stop downvoting it you bunch of renegades!
 
I guess correctly : )
 
For me 96% helpful
 
1:13 PM
Morning
 
agressive on the NAA?
 
Morning
 
morning @NathanOliver
 
Plop @nathan!
 
Hiya Nathan
 
user3956566
1:13 PM
@PetterFriberg yes quite right and Undo was the mod.. he is in my black book
 
I kind of want to be good enough at flagging things to hold my declined flag rate squarely under 1%
 
user3956566
@JAL and I like to live dangerously when it comes to flagging
 
Better not flag for mod attention then, only the spam posts
 
Just never flag as NAA, and you have a chance
 
user3956566
1:15 PM
@TimCastelijns they were low quality flags
 
JAL
@Yvette If you play with fire, you're going to get burned :)
 
user3956566
@JAL love a good roasting my dear
 
@Yvette I was talking to magisch
 
Oh, and I racked up a lot of those before hitting 3k so many went to you guys in the close vote queue.
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg yes true. The young genius.
 
user3956566
1:16 PM
@TimCastelijns lol
 
@ryanyuyu Hey, if you never flag, you can't have declined flags.
So all are helpful.
 
user3956566
[where's our fearless leader?](@rene)
 
@Tunaki but if you're trying to raise your percentage, then you have to flag some stuff.
 
@Magisch Yep, works in Charcoal HQ, there is one small bug though
 
user3956566
@Tunaki hey and I'm ignoring you on slack mister
 
1:18 PM
I have been wondering why do I get a bird chirping sound from my computer time to time, and now I figure out that was because of the script I installed to inform me of sd reports....
 
@Yvette why? :(
 
JAL
omg @Yvette I just noticed your chat blurb
> Whoever said women are more emotional than men, never visited Stack Overflow Meta.
 
@TimCastelijns I have well over 150 custom mod flags, only one of which was declined
 
@Magisch do you have a script to count them?
 
1:19 PM
@Magisch almost 1%, getting dangerously close :P
 
@Tunaki I counted by hand and got bored at 145
>_>
 
lol...
 
@Magisch you do realise there's a breakdown and a total available to just do a simple percentage calculation, right?
 
@kayess "does anybody have an idea how to generate X" "have you ever worked with Y" "can you guide me to do Z" ==>>> too broad
 
1:20 PM
@TimCastelijns Right thanks
 
@JonClements But it doesn't distinguish custom flags vs NAA or others.
 
@JAL not sure. But yes, it makes the code a bit more readable, so might go for approve
 
(except spam / offensive / comments)
 
@JonClements So you mean I could have saved myself all this counting
 
@Tunaki Oh good point - ignore me :)
 
1:21 PM
>_>
<_<
 
@Magisch ignore the puppy ^
 
Helpful puppy as always
 
:D
 
Yeah ignore me - you'd have hoped I'd know about flags by now :)
 
JAL
throws Jon some scooby snax
 
1:22 PM
 
No idea :P haven't done a review ever since queen was running
 
It's meant to check out the non-observant - so it serves its purpose if you approve it
 
@kayess Looks like a good question.
 
@Tunaki No, I mean as an audit
 
ah
 
1:24 PM
@JonClements There are certain ways around that...
 
JAL
shhhhh
 
@Tunaki A Q with 0 score asked 2 hours ago, with +65 A answered many days ago
 
user3956566
@JAL do you think it's funny?
 
@Magisch oh thanks... now I will never get banned :)
 
I spent time going through the triage audit failures this morning - I was amazed how many people are approving that SAP video/training things... almost wanted to cry
 
1:25 PM
@JonClements Really?!
 
user3956566
@JonClements pat pat
 
@JonClements What? People approved those?!
 
@Yvette look! an emotional man
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns lol
 
@Jon what do you think about the one I have posted ?
 
JAL
1:25 PM
@Yvette Yes, and true
 
@JonClements people are approving that crap?? Surprised.. :O
 
I never get them anymore because I usually am among the people killing them so they can't be shown to me as audits
 
I ninjad you all btw, no need to ping Jon 10 times :)
 
@kayess Perfect audit, checks if you are awake!
 
@PetterFriberg lol...
 
user3956566
1:26 PM
I like emotional men
 
@kayess what @PetterFriberg said - they're meant to be obvious (there's obviously a few duff ones here and there) so if you say it's bad - you've failed and the audit has done its job
 
Can anyone link to an audit? I want to check if the Userscript I installed works..
 
JAL
Super Smash Bros. Voice: FAILURE
 
I don't like the false dichotomy of either having to be 101% stoic and unmovable or crying at the first opportunity everytime.
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ are you serious?
 
1:27 PM
@JonClements I would rather call it laughably bad/obvious/you name it :)
 
@AshishAhujaツ And what is that script supposed to do?
 
5 mins ago, by kayess
Is this a bad audit hah ? http://stackoverflow.com/review/first-posts/12850773
 
Maybe I shouldn't have linked it
 
user3956566
@JonClements warn him of audits
 
@Yvette kind of... Why is it funny?
@JonClements tell you if it a audit
 
1:28 PM
@Magisch Yes and @Tunaki - think there were about 4/5 just this morning :(
 
@PetterFriberg already done that before installing the script
 
@JonClements It gives you a big red "THIS IS AN AUDIT" bar on audits and a big green "THIS IS NOT AN AUDIT" bar on non-audits
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ it's like asking telling the police you've created a skeleton key for the jail
 
@JonClements That's sad. Well, at least it proves that audits are necessary.
 
@Yvette Umm... Then I think lemme go an review..
 
user3956566
1:29 PM
asking a mod for a link to an audit to test your script to detect audits.
 
@Yvette at least your honest
 
And since it uses the Ajax tags on them to detect them, its guaranteed to work
 
user3956566
@Magisch shhhhhhhhush
 
the it's up to SE to make a better lock, no?
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns shuuuuuuuush
 
1:30 PM
there are meta posts about this subject
 
I love the block comment in the user script: This is not intended to actually be used. If you get caught using this you may be review banned
 
So hands up everybody that are using it!
 
user3956566
which script is this?
 
jon are your ready with review ban
 
I've never been shy about the fact that this exists or the facts that audits can easily be bypassed
 
user3956566
1:31 PM
audits are annoying
 
7 mins ago, by Magisch
@JonClements There are certain ways around that...
 
And mods have usually said in response to this: "If we find you to be using that to dodge a legit review ban, we'll give you one, but it'll be longer"
 
user3956566
oh yes tiny Giants
 
Ashish you are asking for trouble:)
 
@kayess oops...
deleted
 
1:32 PM
I even asked a meta about similar scripts before
 
user3956566
I posted a question on meta about it. I didn't know I had it installed and posted a question how there was a big Not an Audit heading coming up in my review queues LOL
 
And it wasn't badly recieved and no moderator-SWAT team raided my house in the middle of the night yet
 
@Magisch Actually, they did but they made you forget.
 
I have it all on camera.
 
1:34 PM
> I didn't know I had it installed
suuureee ;))))
 
Generally - audits are there to make you slow down and think - they're not to trick you. If you're blazing through reviewing you're probably not doing such a good job as a reviewer and if you need a script to help tell an audit - you're probably not someone the community wants reviewing content anyway :)
 
user3956566
the script was removed @Magisch.
 
@Yvette Tiny's wasn't
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns lol it's called thing checker! I installed them all
 
@Magisch who needs SWAT when we have ninjas?
 
1:35 PM
@Magisch What makes you think you're not on the list and we've just not gotten around to you yet? :p
 
user3956566
I didn't know what it did and the irony was, it didn't work immediately, or maybe it took me weeks to notice the blinking thing
 
@Yvette woman please, stop clicking all buttons you see on the web
 
user3956566
But posting a question on meta is like walking into the police station with a marijuana plant saying what is this weed growing in my garden
 
@JonClements Generally speaking, I can sniff audits from a mile away now. But from time to time, you get that elusive bad audit like the one I made this meta about this morning. And when you're reviewing alot, these failures could add up
 
Waffle
 
user3956566
1:36 PM
@TimCastelijns yes I think that's a good idea :p
 
user3956566
@kayess lol gross
 
@Magisch @Yvette actually there still is a script which was made by bookend. I don't think it wil be removed either
It does the same thing
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ yeh they can't stop us from writing scripts and I don't believe there is anything in the terms of service stopping us from using them
 
@Magisch It's annoying that sometimes happens - but the total number of audits given, while meta makes it look like it's a problem - it's absolutely tiny the number of times that happens. And if it results in an unfair review ban a mod will lift the ban and see what they can do to remove the audit in future.
 
user3956566
@JonClements can users get into trouble for using audit detection scripts?
 
1:39 PM
@JonClements I've heard somewhere from someone that as long as you're making reasonable reviews, the mods and cms don't really care if you use a script. Is that still correct or is merely using this script grounds for suspension?
 
user3956566
@Magisch hey I'm flagging that as a duplicate of my comment above it
 
I don't believe there's really any precedence for such a thing. I'm of the opinion if you need a script to detect an audit I'm a little wary of your ability to review. But if you're generally doing a good job - I don't think we're going to worry too much.
For instance as of today up till now - there's been 290 audits in the triage queue and the pass rate is 94%.
 
Do you have access to individual user pass rates?
 
And quite a lot of those failures is that SAP video/training stuff so anyone approving that deserves a failure and if you can't spot those without a script - I don't want you reviewing.
 
user3956566
@JonClements I think reviewing can be a time consuming chore and people are dutiful and do whatever they can to make their lives easier to keep chipping away at the queues
 
user3956566
1:43 PM
@JonClements Most of the people in here are aware of what is crap or not.
 
user3956566
as we flag the SAP stuff and I can predict when it will be posted, afternoons my time
 
user3956566
during spam o clock
 
@Yvette yes... I'm not talking all about people here. If some of those reviewers got hold of that script and it enabled them to just approve crap anyway that weren't audits, we'll end up with more crap on the site
 
I've had multiple instances of "Known good" CV Queue audits that made me really cringe when pressing that "Leave open" button
>_>
 
The problem with review que is the badges, just remove them and no need for audit!
 
user3956566
1:44 PM
@JonClements oh yeh I guess that is a point
 
@Magisch Yup
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg yeh I don't need badges for reviewing, a gold trophy perhaps..
 
@JonClements am I in the right place to ask this?
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/31419177#31419177
 
@Tunaki: do you in French really have to add a space before an exclamation mark? French is weird..
 
user3956566
1:45 PM
@OrangeDog suggest a wiki edit, on how the tag should be used
 
@Adriaan Yes.
 
@Yvette is there an example of a tag that already has such a thing?
 
@Yvette So while it might be a "time-saver" (although seriously - it only really takes a few seconds to recognise crap) for the conscientious reviewers - for the ones intent on just blitzing through - it's detrimental.
 
user3956566
you could write it like this:
> for questions about such and such and not such and such. For questions concerning bla, perhaps consider SuperUser.
But don't remove any of the useful stuff
 
user3956566
1:47 PM
if you like I can help you write it
 
@Yvette yup
 
user3956566
@JonClements yes true
 
user3956566
@Tunaki it's an answer with a question. Annoying as it is
 
@OrangeDog Umm... close hammers only apply to closing as a duplicate of another question - so if they're off-topic and valid on another site then it's still possible for 5 users to do so...
 
@Yvette It was edited from NAA...
And OP says they are question banned...
 
1:48 PM
@JonClements the mainproblem I get is not with the straight-forward audits; the wrongaudits. I've got banned many times because of them
 
@AshishAhujaツ If you get a bad audit and you have a good history of reviewing - a mod will (at their discretion) lift your ban and do what they can to remove the audit so it doesn't trip others up
 
user3956566
@Tunaki it's deleted! thank God
 
@Yvette well, edit submitted
 
@JonClements yup. That has happened many times. But many times when that doesn't happen I don't feel good.
 
user3956566
@OrangeDog ok I'll see if I can find it
 
1:54 PM
@AshishAhujaツ to be fair - I don't see an unfair/confusing audit ban looking at your history - you said looks okay to spam posts and no action needed on answers that were questions...
 
@OrangeDog Can't find the the warning only the I / In suggestion?
 
@PetterFriberg in the Usage guidance
 
A certain puppy has actually lifted a review ban for me before
 
user3956566
anyone interested in reviewing this tag edit re @OrangeDog's discussion in here?
 
@OrangeDog ok sorry, yeah
 
1:56 PM
I assume the link actually works - there's no preview...
Don't know whether extra formatting is appropriate
 
@OrangeDog markdown doesn't work in exerpts
 
user3956566
@OrangeDog yes
 
@Magisch I also lifted one today when someone posted on meta. As I've said twice now, if an unfair audit results in a ban - a mod will lift it.
 
user3956566
that link is to the excerpt pending edit
 
@JonClements I don't remember saying Looks Ok to spam posts, but yeah there have been some cases where I have made mistakes, but if you are talking about me Looks Ok'ing answers in the LQP which are like "Did you try X?", I do that with a purpose as they are indirectly an answer.
 
1:57 PM
@Yvette i mean the link in the edit, which if @Braiam is correct, doesn't work :(
 
user3956566
@OrangeDog oh ok soz
 
user3956566
@Braiam oh yes you're right
 
user3956566
it's ok I think, it gets the message across
 
@AshishAhujaツ Don't worry about the past - what's done is done. Focus on moving forward and doing the best you can :)
 
user3956566
> Yvette has approved 495 edit suggestions and rejected 965 edit suggestions and improved 98 edit suggestions
 
1:59 PM
Jon sooner or later we need some in the python room : )
 
user3956566
there is a post on meta about selecting to only reject edits and skip the ones that are ok. So the auto reviewers will approve those anyway
 

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