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Sam
8:00 PM
Did someone kill her?
 
I dunno
 
23 hours ago, by Tunaki
@Sam Stopped Closey due to SO having a maintenance time.
 
@Sam just boot her up, please
 
Sam
Ah kk
 
8:01 PM
Hello everyone! (Sam's Backup Server)
 
Thge answer answers the spam seed
 
@Closey start event
 
Is the Q a spam seed?
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
9713 need review
1492 reviews today
3352183 reviews all-time
The tags to work on are: , , .
 
@NathanOliver looks that way
 
8:03 PM
@NathanOliver I'd say no. Just close/delete through normal means
 
@gunr2171 On it.
 
rene has started reviewing!
@Braiam I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Closey I started several hours ago :(
 
Closey was down several hours ago
 
@NathanOliver correct, you do though :p
 
8:06 PM
SO was messing with here so she decided she didn't need that BS anymore.
@Tunaki Not a 100% sure if she listens to edits. She did not on an earlier post I did.
 
@NathanOliver far reaching, SO arms
 
Hmm
 
@Tunaki That is just tricky :P
 
8:19 PM
@JAL I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
rene passed a audit!
 
@Closey next 10 tags
 
@rene The next 10 tags are: 1337, 54, 39, 35, 33, 32, 31, 29, 28, 28
 
JAL
I don't see a lot of friendship questions in the queue, I reviewed two
 
8:34 PM
@rene You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 1 was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 30 minutes and 46 seconds, averaging to a review every 46 seconds.
 
@JAL I had 5 and be aware that we're not burninating this time
 
JAL
got it thanks
 
I'm not familiar with this. I think I am supposed to do close reviews, but if I click on one of the 10 tags, it brings me to the question list and not to the SO close vote review.
 
@ThomasWeller yeah, that is a feature request not implemented yet ;)
You have to filter your self in the review queue
I can't find the FR but I recall I discussed it with either @gunr2171 or @Sam
 
Sam
I don't recall that discussion.
 
8:42 PM
that 1337 bug again
 
You didn't recall Closey was dead also... runs away
fast
 
fastly*
(/s)
 
@ThomasWeller I've created an issue for that feature to be added: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/SOCVR-Chatbot/issues/166
 
Sam
@rene Give us 6-8 waffle cycles.
 
being afk
 
8:47 PM
@gunr2171 if so, who is posting?
 
Thanks. Really a good idea, especially for newbies like me.
 
@rene It won't have the same markup then. The URL automatically comes from the Markdown [tag:excel].
It would need to be excel
 
@Tunaki yeah, I know, maybe it should be a new command
 
Sam
@Tunaki We could do [this] though.
 
@Sam Yeah that's nice.
 
Sam
8:53 PM
That way, we can also add a custom tooltip.
 
I shouldn't be close reviewing. It makes me sad. All those poor people asking poor questions....
 
welcome to our world ...
That is why we have this room, to cheer people up @ThomasWeller
 
Also to drag them down
 
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Wait, did I say that out loud?
 
9:03 PM
Is there a bug that I can add a comment during close review but I cannot edit the comment after I submitted it?
(before proceding to the next question)
 
@ThomasWeller Just tried it, I can edit it. On Firefox if it matters.
 
FF 47.0 here, Win7
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
Is there a reason for such specific version tags like ?
 
@Floern that sounds...*specific*
 
9:16 PM
Created a Meta question about editing comments: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326826/…
 
@Floern 3 questions, no wiki
 
@Floern no
it's not even a final release, just a release candidate
 
I so want to make tag creation a 10k privilege
 
@ThomasWeller You miss one essential thing! Free red hand circles: meta.stackexchange.com/a/19775 :D
 
just for the sheer filtering that would mean
 
9:18 PM
@Rizier123: oh no, I hate them
 
@AndrasDeak so.. kill it?
 
@Floern it's dead
 
Does a person make progress toward a tag badge if they added the tag to the question themselves?
 
@RyanBemrose yes
only thing with "self-added tag" is "you can't dupehammer"
 
@Tunaki nice
 
9:26 PM
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 2 hours to continue reviewing.
I'll certainly not come back in 2 hours, since I'm asleep then.
 
No worries. We will wake you up @ThomasWeller ping!
 
Stayed here so long and my favorite question is still closed. What a pity...
 
There is no guarantee that we will vote as you want. Everyone here votes on their own.
 
Question asking "How do I use XYZ software" usually gets a close/OffTopic. Is there any difference in that if the software is an IDE?
 
@ThomasWeller it became your favourite in 3 hours? Your standards are weird:P
and you pinged Cody Gray 2 hours ago, they were last online 2 hours ago
 
Sam
9:33 PM
afk
 
Favorite question to answer, since I have a quite narrow field here on SO. I'm certainly impatient. However, it's weekend and perhaps I'm not online until Monday.
 
@ThomasWeller Yep, I'd wait for the user that hammered to look at your comments, they can reopen single-handledly.
 
@ThomasWeller yeah, SO is very tumbleweedy on the weekends...
 
@ThomasWeller it's reopened now
 
Yippieh! Thanks
 
9:37 PM
nice canonical for that by the way
 
"it probably looked in the mirror and committed suicide"
 
Answer posted, mission completed. Thanks again.
 
\o/
 
Should I post my coding opinion on other peoples answers? I'm fine doing it on mine, but if someone else posts an answer and it is accepted, should I suggest something to the OP that I think will help them, but the owner of that answer might not
 
@JacobGray I've been bashed several times for leaving a comment not intended at the OP but at future readers.... But I do not understand why. I'm of the opinion that it is positive to leave constructive comments on answers, directed at future readers, not only the OP.
 
9:46 PM
yeah, that should be the case
 
I don't know what to do :/
 
unless it's something general that would fit better on the question itself
 
@JacobGray I find it helpful to respond to answers that use Allman bracing with "1TBF 4eva!"?
 
This time tomorrow I'll be flying to Germany \o/
 
9:47 PM
@JacobGray leave a comment, worst thing that can happen is that it gets flagged and removed
 
pecae out all
 
@TylerH have a nice trip
 
@AndrasDeak nope, worst thing is someone commenting you back that didn't get at all you were not directing the OP
 
well I'm sure you can phrase it in a way that it's hard to misunderstand:P
 
mkay
 
9:49 PM
I can't even select that text in the answer...
 
right to left :)
 
what the hell are these people thinking
@Tunaki nope
 
@AndrasDeak triple-click on the text (if you browser supports that)
 
oh, nice, thanks
 
@queen wot?! unclear
 
10:00 PM
@queen unclear also (even if close message went to typo)
 
@PetterFriberg yeah see my comment there
 
First time I flagged a user because of the rep history. Let's see what happens.
 
sigh. The suggested edit system is really broken, isn't it? I keep getting CVQ reviews that are "too old to migrate", but only entered the CVQ because some minor robo-edit bumped it and then someone else decided it was low quality, creating two queues worth of review busywork on a 2011 post just so some shady user could get +2 rep.
 
not broken, maybe squeaky at the joints
I think that's one of the queues that functions properly
there has been a suggestion to allow non-reopen-bumping edits
then again some suggested edits are so dreadful and yet approved, it might be good to give visibility to those posts
the solution would be to lay down some guidelines for flagging/CVing old crap
 
Well, the SEQ could only function more efficiently if it wasn't there at all. We could remove the queue and drop the auto-edit rep to 1, and I'm not sure we'd see much of a change on the site. Maybe fewer worthless minor reviews because sub-2k users wouldn't get rep for botting spelling edits.
 
10:12 PM
@RyanBemrose auto-edit rep?
 
Whatever the priv is called to be able to edit without going into the SEQ
 
ah
that would be awful
have you seen the number of incompetent and abusive users?
we'd be putting out fires all day
 
I'm not even sure it would be worse. Edits for sub-2k users go through basically automatically anyway due to robo-reviewers, and removing the queue would remove the +2 rep, which would remove the incentive to create crap edits just for the rep.
 
mind you, we could still have 2k minimum for editing, but no rep for suggesting edits
@RyanBemrose no they don't go through. Some of them do, and the worst ones that do gather huge interest. Take into consideration the huge cognitive bias. It's an affront to all the proper reviewers to assume that everybody is robo. Hell no
The queue is not there for the +2 rep, it's there to prevent abuse. As I said, the two could be independent
 
I keep seeing users with 500+ rep and only four posts on their profile. Something's not right there.
 
10:15 PM
@RyanBemrose that's a different issue
and if said edits are valuable, then they deserve the rep (I'm not saying this is the general case, I don't have perspective)
 
When 470 of that rep is because of approved minor edits, it may be a different issue but it's the same root cause.
 
As I said, there are (at least) two causes here. You're talking about suggested edits, and you're talking about getting rep for suggesting edits. Those are only linked at the moment.
we could have a system where users can only suggest after 2k rep (for protection against abuse and stupidity)
as it is, you can get at most 1k rep from editing
 
Cause and effect. The rep for suggested edits is the incentive for bad suggested edits. Robo-reviewing is a different problem, I'll allow.
 
I'm out guys, don't break anything while I'm away ...
 
@rene see ya
 
10:17 PM
Cya
 
@RyanBemrose I disagree. It's the incentive of some bad edits, which would not be there. Badges for editing are another cause. And simple ignorance is another one.
Remove the rep gain, and you remove one part of the problem.
but the suggested edits queue is very necessary to prevent the walls of SO being painted with fecal matter
 
If the true reason for the rep is to incentivize good edits, why is it that we take away that incentive at 2000 rep? The people more likely to provide good edits because they've had more experience on SO are the ones we don't incentivize.
I agree the SEQ is necessary. That was more blowing off steam than a genuine suggestion. I'm serious about the rep issue though. It's a massive loophole that people are using to get 500+ rep with low effort, riding past all of the early privilege roadblocks.
And the robo-reviewer problem in the SEQ is the main thing allowing that to go on. If the SEQ were functioning as any kind of impediment to bad edits, the problem of botting spelling edits wouldn't be there.
 
@RyanBemrose as I said, we take away edits after 500 approved edits
(I think)
@RyanBemrose with that I agree, but it's not just the SEQ, it's all the queues
 
IMO, 500 is a LOT of free rep.
 
robo reviewers are one of the banes of SO
@RyanBemrose it is
 
10:26 PM
@AndrasDeak you only get a max of 500 rep for suggested edits, correct
 
no, 1k rep; 500 edits
right?
 
to meta!
 
I believe that robos should be handled with more micromanagement
 
> When a suggested edit is approved, the user who suggested it gets +2 reputation. The regular daily reputation cap applies, and the total cap for reputation gained via suggested edits is 1,000. Like any other reputation, the +2 is reversed if the edited post is ever deleted.
I stand corrected
 
it happens to the best of us (I'm told)
 
10:29 PM
Anyways, two separate problems: 1) You can get to 1k rep without asking or answering a single question by flooding the SEQ with edits, and 2) Bad edits are approved at nearly the same rate as good ones. The combination of the problems means that the lowest effort way to get to 1k rep is to flood single-word edits, and if you're dedicated or have a bot you can do it in a day.
 
good thing I'm not "the best" of us
 
@RyanBemrose I agree with that
 
right, that is a "valid" way to get 1k rep, and it sucks
 
@RyanBemrose The solution to the second is, as always, more suspensions
 
and as I said, I agree with that too ^
short bans often
as Flexo started out, apparently
with a convenient way to keep track of those short bans and make them less short as necessary
 
10:33 PM
 
@Braiam was just about to say
:)
haven't seen that one yet
 
@AndrasDeak long story short, someone used the pig tag for something about a epidemic that affected pigs.
 
wait, currently the wiki excerpt of [canvas] is about html5 exclusively
while the extended wiki lists all usages
wtf?
 
10:37 PM
welcome to the twilight zone
 
I love tags like this
so I agree [canvas] is a bad tag, but not because it's off-topic, but because it's too broad
this was the only thing why I replied to your comment
 
Something that's been bugging me about SE terminology: You don't get a whole wiki; you just get one page. Shouldn't it be called "Tag WikiPage"?
 
@RyanBemrose well, SE tends to have it's own dictionary (cue comments aren't comments)
 
what's for? got 25 followers..
 
@Floern that's keyword for Stack Overflow
oh no, that's
 
10:52 PM
@Floern A tag intended to receive questions that should be closed.
 
Perfect tag for classification.
 
hehe
just saw this: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/12805260 I just had a questionmark in my mind..
 
o_o
 
@Tunaki I couldn't have put it better myself.
 
10:58 PM
:)
 
11:24 PM
Does anyone have the link for a question that has bold or italic text?
nvm, found one
 
@halfer "Demoralized data": data that feels worthless because no one is using it.
 
Ha ha, yes :-). I feel quite sorry for it, really
How does one try to cheer up depressed data?
 
Maybe by SELECTing it? You can sing "Data I SELECT you" (sung to the tune of "Pikachu I choose you") while you do it.
 
I was thinking of taking the data to a nice restaurant, a good byte always cheers me up!
(Sorry :-)
 
Sam
@Clo stop bot
 
11:34 PM
@Sam I'm shutting down...
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Sam
@Clo status
 
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11:49 PM
Plop. @Sam is closey alive for a while or is she still debugging?
 
black magic:D
seriously?
 

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