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JAL
2:00 PM
hey all
 
hi
 
Hiya
 
Hiya JAL
 
JAL
@NathanOliver (and anyone else who was keeping up with my "promoting a specific answer in the custom message of a bounty" saga): It appears that the mods don't find this objectionable at all, which in my opinion, is a mistake. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326616/…
o/
 
@JAL Well, he's technically promoting an answer that already exists (his own), and he's trying to explain his reasoning for adding a bounty using the custom-message-feature, eh?
 
JAL
2:04 PM
@Seth Yes, but it feels like he's using the bounty billboard to say "hey, come vote on my answer"
 
So spending rep to promote your answer is okay as the "community that robo votes on lots of questionable bounties so much so that they need to be removed from audit cases" will treat the answer the correct way. hmm, me thinks this could be a slippery slope.
 
@NathanOliver So it's OK for me to put a bounty on a question I answered?
 
@Seth 31 hours til my flight!
 
@JAL That's true :/
 
JAL
@Adriaan that's what I'm hearing
 
2:05 PM
Mostly, I doubt that there is any return on investment. But maybe the data tell a different story. Any reasonable way to tell how many upvotes the average bounty brings in?
 
@Adriaan Apperently yes as the community will Do the right thing
 
@TylerH Nice! :D
 
JAL
@NathanOliver the community rarely "does the right thing"...
 
@NathanOliver which is to give me all their votes, no?
 
@ryanyuyu That could be SEDE'd.
 
2:06 PM
Well, what else can you do if you are convinced that your answer is superior but didn't get attention because it came late to the party?
 
There is the date the bounty started and ended, along with the dates of the votes
 
For example if the other answers are now outdated.
 
JAL
@ryanyuyu To me this isn't about the return on an investment, it's about abusing a bounty to drive traffic to a specific answer
 
@NathanOliver I've also already seen user, who just put a bounty on their own question just to get more reputation out of it, since most just upvote a question with a bounty. And they don't even care about the answer. They just want more reputation out of their question with a bounty.
 
2:09 PM
@Rizier123 I personally just want to get rid of the bounty system. I think it has outlived its usefulness.
 
JAL
@NathanOliver well shog hates it, so you're not the only one
I wonder what the stats are on how many bounty questions are actually fraudulent rep transfers
 
@NathanOliver Well I think it was probably implemented back in the days, so that users who asked a good question, but just "fell out of the loop" could get some attention to their question.
 
The bounty system doesn't make that much sense itself :/
Reputation is considered as indicator of how much "trust" you've gained over time
 
JAL
that's spam
 
And now you're giving it to someone - who may be a jerk (and get privileges by ONE bounty (i.e. 500+)) :/
 
2:13 PM
Gif in a flag :)
 
@Seth I think even if you come up with a very good alternative it probably won't get implemented, since it would be a huge change.
 
JAL
yep saw that
 
> and here is my pom.xml
Every. Freeking. Time.
 
@Rizier123 Maybe, you never know though :p I think that we're not the only ones that are tired of that bullshit going on again and again.
 
@JAL That user posted 3 spam answers before: stackoverflow.com/q/37727148/3933332 and still is able to submit such an edit...
 
JAL
2:14 PM
@Rizier123 Yeah I saw that, I am surprised that account wasn't nuked
 
@JAL Never too late for that. What'd you do in this situation? Mod-flag the question, explain the current situation and hope for the best?
 
@gunr2171 Embrace the POM!
 
He's back.
 
Nuke it?
 
I'm going to edit the link out
 
2:18 PM
it will be deleted eventually
 
I flagged that as spam, was I wrong?
That user keeps doing that sort of bs :/
Nvm, apparently it got accepted.
 
JAL
@Seth Yeah I think mod flag. Weird, after 3 spam or abusive answers you would think the account would be nuked
 
just a normal spam might be risky. a mod might .... NEVERMIND
 
@Seth It was deleted so it auto accepts the flag.
 
@NathanOliver Ohh c:
 
Sam
2:19 PM
@gunr2171 Thank kerning.
 
@gunr2171 ninjad
 
I remember reading specifically that you do not flag for a specific action for a mod to take
 
@Tunaki Well, I think the key is "don't tell them what to do"
Tell them why you're flagging it though
 
@TylerH the post does say "What do you want us to do? That should be your first statement."
 
2:25 PM
like "these comments should be cleaned up because they're yelling at each other" is OK but "delete John's 2nd comment and Bobby's 3rd comment" might not go over as well?
@Tunaki Yeah, could just be that staff member is OK with being told what to do
dude heck yeah
free pizza
 
:D
 
@TylerH Pizza is love, pizza is life.
o.o ... According to the guardian, the Brexit referendum is not yet legally binding.
The parliament has the last word :o
 
2:45 PM
@Seth wait, a public vote that behind the scenes doesn't mean anything? Where have I seen that before?
 
@Seth Do you see the parliament saying "screw that referendum, we're staying"?
 
@gunr2171 Hehehe :D
@Louis I do, I actually do :)
Many promoters of the Brexit were actually just voting for it to protest
We'll see what the future brings.
 
@gunr2171 it's not really behind the scenes that the popular vote for US presidencies doesn't mean anything
everyone knows the electoral college elects the president
we are a representative republic after all
 
How many "Looks OK" reviews are required to remove a post from LQP review queue?
 
G'nite ppl! \o
 
2:54 PM
cya
 
@Gothdo Not sure. I think 3?
 
@Gothdo No clue, I believe it's three votes :)
Oh :/ I was too slow.
 
@ryanyuyu Here review is completed with only two "Looks OK" votes. I thought that there were more votes required, like three. Did it change?
Isn't there any official post about that?
 
huh. Time to delve into the depths of meta.
 
Normally this would just some bs, but now it is just really depressing.
This [question](http://stackoverflow.com/q/37998044) gets asked and doesn't show effort in the question. So I just leave a comment on what exactly OP wants to do, so he has an idea and can google the keywords.
Then an answer gets posted to the question, which works to get OP's expected result, but had no explanation at all.
So instead of even trying to write a comment about it I wrote my own answer with an explanation. Before posting I scrolled up again and see that the answer got 1 dv and got deleted. But then I still
 
2:58 PM
I'll check MSO. Someone else on MSE?
 
you would expect this post to tell you, but it doesn't :(
wow, I can't find anything
 
@Gothdo 3
But it depends on gory details
See here meta.stackexchange.com/questions/226092/… in the "Proposed changes section"
@gunr2171 ^^^
 
ah, ok
even though rene already beat you
 
grumble!
 
3:03 PM
SOCVR: ninja'ing the ninja since 2014
 
Wait... Tunas can grumble? o.O
Funny world we live in I must say....
 
No they can't. They can, however, say "Grumble!"
 
But saying it means we can right? :(
 
Not really. I can say "ka-boom" but I can't actually manage to make the real sound of any respectably-sized explosion.
 
Nuke!
See? I said nuke, yet I cannot nuke :c
 
3:06 PM
I still don't get how 2 looks okay was enough. If the post was flagged once then it should require at least 3 looks okay.
 
^ also confused. Along with Gothdo.
 
@NathanOliver Do "looks okay" get deleted if the user gets deleted/suspended?
 
I would think the vote would still be there but it would be from anonymous.
 
@NathanOliver Linkz or it didn't happen.
 
@NathanOliver No-one flagged it then.
The system sends post to the LQPRQ on its own
 
Oh. That's subtle
 
@Tunaki Oh yeah. So no flag and system detected. That makes sense
 
It probably got sent there because it's code only.
 
Spammmmm
 
3:09 PM
Detective tuna solves yet another mystery.
 
@ryanyuyu probably yeah
 
Here we go again, helpful flag counter going up....
 
@ryanyuyu \o/
 
Calling a mod an idiot...
Singing dumb ways to die.... so many dumb ways to die..
 
Yeah it's far enough after the original cleanup that it's worth the flag. I don't think Ed would notice.
 
3:11 PM
He's called Odin & he'll be struck down my a mod mjöllnir...
If that's not ironic I don't know what is :o
 
Is this valid english? Why processing a sorted array is faster than processing an unsorted array? .. it reads like "Why the car is blue?"
 
It does not seem like it -.-
 
@Floern SIGH
 
@PetterFriberg Error: Wrong tag order, expecting [tag:flag-pls] on line 1
 
@Floern almost.
 
3:13 PM
@Floern It is gramatically incorrect.
 
Oh well... it's got a bounty
 
@Rizier123 true, but to late only a mod can save me....
 
"What is X" is the only correct sentence. "What X is" is speach and poor language
 
@Tunaki that's what I thought, but I'm not native english
 
3:15 PM
Why do people do that :/
 
@Floern Me neither :D
 
@Seth I don't think removing the second processing is correct in that change.
 
yes ^
 
Oh didn't see the edit suggestions. My edit overwrote that suggestion.
 
The new title looks nice
 
3:17 PM
@ryanyuyu Np, my edit was bad :P
 
it wasn't even a grammar fix... it was a grammar un-fix
 
I can grammar (when I'm not being silly).
 
@NathanOliver no, exception is in Android's plugin for IntelliJ apparently, not OP's code.
@Seth ^^^^
 
np. I have no clue I, just now you guys have a canonical for nullpointerexceptions.
 
3:20 PM
Oops
 
@NathanOliver I can give you a clue. Do you want a clue?
 
:p I don't need one but I like to watch it
 
:)
 
As the phase 2 of friendship is nearing completion can someone put some effort in to prepare a progress answer that includes the re-tag among other tips done in comments and the current answer?
5
 
3:25 PM
Since I starred that ^ it means that I don't have to be the one to do it right?
 
No, the other way around
 
tries to figure out who else starred that
 
stars means: I'm working on that, chime in if you want to help. This excludes my pin by the way
 
Looks like we found our victim volunteer.
 
So unstar means?
 
3:27 PM
You are still on the hook as your staring is public in the transcript ;)
 
@ryanyuyu Congratulations for being the forced chosen one to this task! We'll expect results by tomorrow.
 
Hey as long as I have at least that much time.
 
Let me be clear: if I knew what had to be done I would write the answer but the tags are beyond my reach to judge correctly
 
On a more serious note, is there a preferred template? For example, copy paste from old burninations? Or is there something on the new blog to use as a template?
afk for a walk
 
@ryanyuyu start template is here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/324070/… in step 4 but I'm a bit worried about the retag guidance that needs to go in there
 
3:29 PM
@ryanyuyu red circles are essential
 
3:43 PM
I'm sorry, but i see you only as a burnination request: burn-zoned — valepu 6 hours ago
heh
 
Came across this question because it had recent activity, didn't remember seeing it before, but apparently I had the same thought then as I do now; Apple is stupid
"hurr durr ModelViewController is an established programming paradigm. Let's make a main method call and name it ModalViewController hurr durr"
Also that was edited to become a
So if someone with the script wants to post that little message, feel free
I don't want to be associated with blackjack and hookers
 
haha. Notification fail
So for the meta progress cw, should I just setup the general stuff? I'm also blanking on good suggestions for retagging on-topic stuff. I'll have the basic searches/queries already set up.
 
4:09 PM
Night
 
bye
Posted the progress answer on burning friendship
Wait sorry.
It's still there but deleted, since the featured tag is still active and the request hasn't moved on yet.
 
4:38 PM
time to commute home, cya
 
5:10 PM
@TylerH y'all just have to agree with my comment meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/315807/…
 
@ryanyuyu Ok, I'll flag for a mod, thanks
 
@ryanyuyu Edited a bit
 
If any moderator pops in here, please handle my meta flag for friendship
 
Yep, saw it
 
back
 
5:22 PM
in b4 front
 
side
 
I feel like we're grilling this guy on meta somewhat unfairly
 
Isn't Meta a grilling service factory?
 
Well yeah but still
I feel bad when the wrath of meta comes down on a (presumably) relatively unassuming user
Getting a ridiculous amount of DVs on your posts for no reason and getting called names in comments on main because someone put up your behavior on meta shouldn't be a thing imo...
 
What meta?
 
5:26 PM
Yes. I don't like people going after user on Main after they posted something on Meta.
 
JAL
Soo, does this lack and MCVE enough to warrant a flag?
 
@NathanOliver this one
 
@JAL There is no MCVE. The same standard for answers applies to question. I should not have to leave the question to know what the question is.
 
@rene There's fairly heavy voting on the 'rename it' answer there.
So there's concern about whether we should actually burninate it or just rename it
 
they are talking about "friend" not about "friendship"
 
5:33 PM
?
Not seeing that anywhere
 
> I agree tag friendship is also ambiguously named, needs renaming to something like social-network-friendship.
the post mostly focus on friend class/function of C++
 
Look at the posts in
[social-network-friendship] works in a majority of those
 
@Undo I think it needs a rename and a burnation protocol ran on it. We need to clean up the trash and then put the surviving questions in their proper tag.
 
@Undo exactly!
nobody is saying friendship should stay
 
@Braiam This is a blacklist v. rename question.
 
5:36 PM
@Undo Social networking friendship questions aren't on topic, are they?
 
@Magisch if it is about coding it it is
 
@Magisch Questions about what Grandma is doing on Facebook aren't, but questions about implementing a 'friends' model in Rails or whatever are.
 
@NathanOliver ask me a coding question where no other tag will apply but that one?
@Undo so, a weather model, a drive model, etc need their own tag, too?
 
@Magisch wonderful answer there
 
@Undo we need at least a clean-up then
 
5:38 PM
@Braiam that can't be the only criteria to get rid of it. That would mean we should get rid of strings because we can;t ask that without a language.
 
@NathanOliver well, then we have tags for language, libraries, methods, and task?
 
@Undo It's both. [friendship] should be burninated and replaced with [friend], [friend-function] and [social-network-friendship] where appropriate
 
@rene Agree there. The issue here is that we can't really justify blacklisting it.
 
IMO tasks are exclusive of the title/body of the question, tags are for categorization in concrete knowledge
 
@Undo can you live with what is propossed in the progress answer: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/326816/578411
 
5:41 PM
@rene Seems sane to me
 
@Braiam So an algorithm for finding friends would not be a candidate for [social-network-friendship]?
 
@Undo so we could do without blacklisting and make it a clean-up effort instead? Assuming some of us want to help with that
 
@NathanOliver no, that would be an [algo] question, period.
 
@rene I don't see why not. There's enough crap in there to justify a cleanup.
 
Ok, let us then take that on
 
5:43 PM
what the algo does isn't important nor relevant in the categorization, people can already read titles
 
So here's a proposal: Tag it status-planned; undelete + accept (@Magisch) the in-progress answer.
 
sounds good
 
There you go
 
thanks
 
:)
 
5:51 PM
@Magisch Okay I am not going to read that whole thing but that could have been handled a lot better. The OP should have left the other user a comment for starters and he should have gone from there. No reason to run to meta first thing.
 
room topic changed to SO Close Vote Reviewers: This room is for the weekly close events, discussion(s) about reviewing, and coordination of site-wide cleanup efforts. Read more at so-close-vote-reviewers.github.io [clean-up-friendship]
 
@NathanOliver Yep. It's a great answer though, recommended reading IMO.
 
@Tunaki I will as time provides. trying to catch up on a couple things right now. Dang robots making me miss my SO time :)
 
Well, [friendship] [java] had a single question completely unrelated to that...
 
5:59 PM
@NathanOliver As soon as I saw it I did leave the user a comment on his most recent answer
linking to the meta thread
which I guess is why he posted that long answer
 
I saw that and that was nice.
The OP though should have commented, invited to user to chat first though before bringing it to meta. They are both high rep users and should have been able to work it out without "shaming" anyone.
 
!!/coffee
 
@RyanBemrose brews coffee for @RyanBemrose
 
Much better.
 
Well it look like someone has already been working on cleaning up . It went from 113 to 51 question without a go ahead. :(
 
6:02 PM
Is burninate only for removing tags? Or is it also used to combine two tags that refer to the same thing?
 
@NathanOliver bah
 
@NathanOliver Those burno-maniacs
 
Just makes me think how many missed clean up opportunities were missed.
@Machavity nice
 
@NathanOliver I don't think the OP was shaming the user, he even defended him in the comments
 
@TylerH That might not have been the intent of the OP but meta does not always care.
 
6:05 PM
yeah sorry. I was away at lunch. Thanks for the undeletion and edits all.
 
Meta SO is such a double edged sword sometimes...
 
I just read this in the answer I am not sure why OP chose to hang me here instead of nudging me in comments (or invoke a chat - we are constantly online at the same time, I even gave OP my email at a point a while back when I tried to support him in regards to his daughter) to have me explain.
So he had plenty of was to talk about it first.
 
Yep.
 
anyone can explain to me what this guy is asking? stackoverflow.com/q/37541787/792066 the semantics ain't clear
 
@Petter Is this really a dupe? stackoverflow.com/questions/38009807/… OP knows how to make a PDF but wants an Excel apparently.
 
6:15 PM
@NathanOliver oh, sure, Meta will always crucify at least one party in any two party incident
I was just talking about the two specific parties
 
@Braiam He wants to create a std::function that has the same signature as a function but he wants to be able to chose how many of the first N parameters that object has. So if C has four parameters he can create a function that match the first 1,2,3 or all of the parameters. Let me know if that clears it up or is there something specific about it that you do not get.
 
@NathanOliver oh, ok, the example was throwing me off, because it seemed that he got it
 
@Yam still POB and request for tutorial
 
@Braiam I even upvoted the answer back when that question was asked :)
 
@Undo Accepted
 
6:21 PM
@Tunaki First of all he has a great confusion about jsf and php, then the dupe is general how to export from jsf any type (but I'm guessing he is using jsf from his code), he has indicated php in title... Just leave it for now, we will roomba that if he does not reply to comments.
 
> I am writing a X to do Y of Z, I want to be able to A, how do i do this within a X?
 
@PetterFriberg fair enough
@Braiam X-Y problem, you need B.
 
@Tunaki It was the most helpful post I could find...
 
@NathanOliver I updated my answer cc @Magisch
 
6:33 PM
@TylerH So the OP added the tag in question and the other user just undid that change when he was doing his organization?
 
@TylerH Why not post another answer? The votes don't reflect the content now.
 
@TylerH Your updated answer also wants to make we write up an FR to have strike out applied to the tags like it does in chat like: test test
 
"Is it possible to..." questions aren't too broad. They only have two possible answers. It's the follow-up question that's the problem. ;)
 
@Tunaki any ideas on this one stackoverflow.com/q/38018365 or any of you folk
 
Baaah No MCVE.
 
6:58 PM
What a joke edit from a 10k user. He changes a function from XY() to `XY()`, but only once even though it is multiple times in the question...
 
@Rizier123 no ice cream for them!
 
@NathanOliver Huh?
The OP didn't add the tag, he answered questions that had the tag. The other user removed the tag at some point for organization/searchability
 
@NathanOliver Troll content? I saw an offsite link.
 
The other user had, in the past, added the tag to questions with answers of his own. I thought the examples of this in the OP were recent
but it turns out they were from 2014
So not really relevant
and therefore not really conflicting or inconsistent reasoning
@NathanOliver please do
@Tunaki The votes reflect the sentiment behind the answer and I don't want to leave the previous post standing unaddressed. This way anyone who sees it knows it's no longer accurate/the most recent response of mine
 
@RyanBemrose Se where the link goes. Also the OP's profile
@TylerH I think I will
 
7:14 PM
@NathanOliver Oh, okay, I hadn't followed the link. Can't now; deleted post.
 
@RyanBemrose link
 
@NathanOliver Yep, that's trolling. I stand corrected.
 
no problem. I didn't see it at first either.
 
ew medium
 
7:17 PM
@Rizier123 He's been posting to Meta a lot lately
he's had a bad experience and is being very loud about it
 
@Rizier123 continuation of this
 
@NathanOliver Fail.
Nathan looking frenetically for the post
tries to edit
misclicks in the process, closes tab
sweat incoming
 
and succeeds :)
 
accidentally deletes System32 folder
 
regedit, ctrl+A, delete, omg what have I done
 
7:21 PM
Dude really seems to have an axe to grind.
 
@RyanBemrose I think it is related to this
 
tnx
 
that was quick:D
 
was 4/5 votes
 
ah, I see:)
 
7:25 PM
@TylerH I have seen it. (I don't like that post in the meta Q.)
 
@Rizier123 boom
 
@NathanOliver That one seems like a perfectly reasonable meta question. "My question got closed, and I'd like to know what went wrong so I can fix it." I'm not sure how you go from there to spamming a link to a medium article though.
 
you guys are so mean
 
The next meta Q will already come, I see it. He runs into a wall today over and over.
 
Good day everyone. I have a dupe hammered question that IMHO should be reopened. Reasoning is in the comments. Anyone who agrees with me, please vote to reopen. I'd like to convert my comments into an answer. stackoverflow.com/questions/38019466/…
 
7:27 PM
@RyanBemrose I think he is upsete that SO is not letting him share the knowledge that he has. After that meta post he changed his profile to say delete me and then posted a troll question in C++. Then he posted that meta. To me it is an escalating progression.
 
@NathanOliver Waah. If someone wants to be a baby about it, that's what facebook is for.
 
@ThomasWeller [FYI] you can ping the hammer user(will not auto complete but if you use @CodyGray[@usernamewithnospaces] it will ping him) with your rebuttal.
 
Can the hammerer hammer it open?
 
Oh, cool
 
7:30 PM
Hammer wielders have insta dupe close and reopen.
 
Given I had a gold badge (which nobody has at the time), could I reopen it instantly as well or does it need to be someone with the same tag ( here)?
 
Yes you could.
 
As long as you have a gold tag badge for one of the tags on the question and you did not add that tag to the question you can use your hammer.
 
Thanks. I'm working on the gold badge ;-)
 
Hey Thomas
o/
 
7:35 PM
No problem.
 
@Magisch: yes?
 
Just noticed someone new
Fellow german, too :p
 
quick, quick, bring the whips before they proliferate further
 
lol. We just need to turn out the Spearrel horde
 
@Magisch You an dSeth and who else?
 
7:46 PM
Well, me or what?
I'm from Germany and seldom here in the close vote room, just coming in if I find inconsistencies or have questions regarding close votes.
 
You're always welcome
 
No problem. You can come in here anytime you have a moderation question or if you just want to hang out or lurk. We want to welcome all. Well except cats. Our puppies and tuna do not like cats.
 
@Closey refresh tags
@Closey alive?
 
uh-oh
 
@Closey ? NOOOOOOOOO
@gunr2171 @sam No Closey? No Friendship?
We're on our own then ...
 
7:52 PM
@rene We burned all our friends. Remember?
 
Oh... yes ..
 
@NathanOliver if (closey = friend) then closey burned()?
 
Yes :(
 
@Braiam wait, do you mean friend, or friendship? It's an important distinction. ;)
 
Sam
@rene Uh
I can boot up Closey again.
 

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